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[EFHW]

I'd like to lynch gkrieg today.

I don't normally use emojis, but I think this qualifies: 

Awaclus, ashersky and gkrieg can't all be town. I think you are town, and feel that ashersky and Awaclus probably are as well, so gkrieg must be godfather. This probably only works from my perspective, but that's what I have to work with!

You omitted that I also wanted to lynch mcmc.

mcmc is a vastly better lynch option that gkrieg just from my result alone so it didn't warrant an emoji.

sure, I just didn't want that part to be forgotten because your quote didn't reflect it.

[Roadrunner7671]

I think it's pretty likely that both TWM and gkrieg are scum, so I'd be happy lynching either. I guess gkrieg has a higher chance of being scum because of Godfather nonsense, but like I said, they're both fine in my book.

[gkrieg13]

I think it's pretty likely that both TWM and gkrieg are scum, so I'd be happy lynching either. I guess gkrieg has a higher chance of being scum because of Godfather nonsense, but like I said, they're both fine in my book.

How does that give me a higher likelihood of being scum?

[Roadrunner7671]

I think it's pretty likely that both TWM and gkrieg are scum, so I'd be happy lynching either. I guess gkrieg has a higher chance of being scum because of Godfather nonsense, but like I said, they're both fine in my book.

How does that give me a higher likelihood of being scum?

There's the possibility that TWM is town and investigated you, got a town result, but you were the Godfather.

But, based on roles, there's no possibility where TWM is scum and you are town.

Reading that it doesn't make much sense. Here:

TWM is one of two things: Town who copped you or scum who pretended to cop you.

Gkrieg is one of three things: Town who was copped by TWM, scum who wasn't copped by TWM (because TWM is gkrieg's partner) or scum who was copped but is a Godfather.

[mcmcsalot]

I think it's possible gkrieg/twm/awaclus are scum together as well as gkrieg/twm/rr and gkrieg/twm/efhw so I would lynch gkrieg or twm.

[gkrieg13]

I think it's pretty likely that both TWM and gkrieg are scum, so I'd be happy lynching either. I guess gkrieg has a higher chance of being scum because of Godfather nonsense, but like I said, they're both fine in my book.

How does that give me a higher likelihood of being scum?

There's the possibility that TWM is town and investigated you, got a town result, but you were the Godfather.

But, based on roles, there's no possibility where TWM is scum and you are town.

Reading that it doesn't make much sense. Here:

TWM is one of two things: Town who copped you or scum who pretended to cop you.

Gkrieg is one of three things: Town who was copped by TWM, scum who wasn't copped by TWM (because TWM is gkrieg's partner) or scum who was copped but is a Godfather.

But those things don't have equal likelihoods.

[gkrieg13]

And he could totally be a scum!cop (fake) and claim me as a valid copping target when I'm town.

[gkrieg13]

I think it's possible gkrieg/twm/awaclus are scum together as well as gkrieg/twm/rr and gkrieg/twm/efhw so I would lynch gkrieg or twm.

But shouldn't you have to lynch TWM first?  Like why do you believe I'm scum?  And how could I possibly have RR or EFHW as partners?

[gkrieg13]

Also what do all of the people who don't want to lynch RR say about the fact that he was at L-1 for a reasonably long time without a lynch?

[gkrieg13]

I haven't been able to catch up at all. Sorry guys. Busy weekend, now a busy work week and now sick.

I think I am still inclined to vote for RR. I worry that I am just allowing myself to go along with the crowd, but he hasn't done anything to make me feel differently about him (aside from him obviously not being partners with Jake).

I think there is a good narrative for RR being scum:

I like that TWM has become a RR expert in about 5 minutes. Sorry for 'being lying and manipulative,' that sounds exactly like something I'd do when trying to apologize.

Well I don't think you purposely lied and manipulated at the time of writing the post. But rather, as you went back and tried to contributed you realized it was harder to live up to that expectation and ended up lying and manipulating after the fact.

Add in his reaction to my investigation on gkrieg and I think I am willing at this point to vote for him.

Vote: RR

This is an announced L-1 with four votes: (gkrieg, EFHW, ash and myself)

He probably would have. unvote Sorry, but I need to hear the roleblocker claim.

It was almost 24 hours, with everyone not voting for RR showing up in between

[mcmcsalot]

Also what do all of the people who don't want to lynch RR say about the fact that he was at L-1 for a reasonably long time without a lynch?

Because this was the wagon.

Vote Count 3.4

Roadrunner7671 (4): gkrieg13, EFHW, ashersky, The_Wine_Merchant

Not voting (4): Awaclus, Joseph2302, mcmcsalot, Roadrunner7671

With 8 alive, it takes 5 to lynch. Day 3 ends January 25th at 1:00 pm forum time. this is in about two days

And I think you, EFHW, and TWM could be mafia.

Vote Count Final

Robz888 (7): The_Wine_Merchant, ashersky, gkrieg13, Awaclus, EFHW, Calamitas, faust
Awaclus (2): Joseph2302, JaketheBaseballGod22
faust (1): mcmcsalot
Roadrunner7671 (1): Robz888

Not Voting (1): Roadrunner7671

With 12 alive, it took 7 to lynch.

Day 1 Lynch, all three of you are on wagon

Day 2 Final Vote Count

faust (1): ashersky
JaketheBaseballGod22 (6): Awaclus, Roadrunner7671, The_Wine_Merchant, EFHW, mcmcsalot, Joseph2302
EFHW (1): gkrieg13
Roadrunner7671 (2): faust, JaketheBaseballGod22


With 10 alive, it took 6 to lynch.

Day 2 Lynch, TWM and EFHW are on wagon and gkrieg could buss because rr is the other option.

[gkrieg13]

Which means either that the scum team is some permutation (I think that is the right one) of ash/me/TWM/EFHW, or that RR is scum, or the third option, scum didn't want to hammer because it would out one of them, and they thought that the chance of the town!RB roleblocking the killer while their RB missed was too high to out one of them.

[gkrieg13]

Also what do all of the people who don't want to lynch RR say about the fact that he was at L-1 for a reasonably long time without a lynch?

Because this was the wagon.

Vote Count 3.4

Roadrunner7671 (4): gkrieg13, EFHW, ashersky, The_Wine_Merchant

Not voting (4): Awaclus, Joseph2302, mcmcsalot, Roadrunner7671

With 8 alive, it takes 5 to lynch. Day 3 ends January 25th at 1:00 pm forum time. this is in about two days

And I think you, EFHW, and TWM could be mafia.

Vote Count Final

Robz888 (7): The_Wine_Merchant, ashersky, gkrieg13, Awaclus, EFHW, Calamitas, faust
Awaclus (2): Joseph2302, JaketheBaseballGod22
faust (1): mcmcsalot
Roadrunner7671 (1): Robz888

Not Voting (1): Roadrunner7671

With 12 alive, it took 7 to lynch.

Day 1 Lynch, all three of you are on wagon

Day 2 Final Vote Count

faust (1): ashersky
JaketheBaseballGod22 (6): Awaclus, Roadrunner7671, The_Wine_Merchant, EFHW, mcmcsalot, Joseph2302
EFHW (1): gkrieg13
Roadrunner7671 (2): faust, JaketheBaseballGod22


With 10 alive, it took 6 to lynch.

Day 2 Lynch, TWM and EFHW are on wagon and gkrieg could buss because rr is the other option.

Doesn't that incriminate ash and me equally?

[gkrieg13]

Oh never mind, I finally get what you are saying.

[gkrieg13]

But can you really say, with a straight face, that me and EFHW are on the same team?

I mean she has made about a million cases on me, and I have also gotten wagons going on her.

[Roadrunner7671]

EFHW can't be scum. The way she got off my wagon today is something scum wouldn't do. Cause I was at L-1 with intent to hammer. Scum EFHW should not have unvoted.

[EFHW]

Let's try vote: mcmc

[Awaclus]

Vote: mcmc is pretty good.

[Roadrunner7671]

I don't know. That seems really spontaneous. Why would you do that out of the blue EFHW? And why would you follow Awaclus?

[gkrieg13]

Vote: mcmc is pretty good.

Do you want to give a reason for voting mcmc over RR?

[EFHW]

I don't know. That seems really spontaneous. Why would you do that out of the blue EFHW? And why would you follow Awaclus?

It's not really out of the blue.  I've already mentioned him more than once as a likely scum.

[Awaclus]

Vote: mcmc is pretty good.

Do you want to give a reason for voting mcmc over RR?

I think he's more likely to be scum.

[ashersky]

Re-reading Day 1.

Pages 1-5: Mostly crap.  There's some pronoun stuff, a lot of nickname stuff.  faust votes gkrieg early, the only actual vote I notice.  Got some scum vibes from TWM based on his questions about how to play.

Page 6: This is the Joseph hits L2 page.  Jake is scummy here.  Turns out he was just Jake.

Pages 7-9: More Joseph stuff, EFHW subs in for McGarg, who had not made an impression up to that point.  Jake dominates these pages, which hurts the game given he turned out town and makes this re-read crappy.

****Interjection: I'm doing this re-read with the N1 kill in mind, and I'm seeing NOTHING so far from Calamitas at all.  More pages to go, though.****

Pages 10-13: Joseph keeps annoying everyone here, although at least he's active.  He's at L-1 by the end of the 13th page.  I notice that up to now, TWM is doing a lot of IIOA -- a scum trait.  He asks a lot of questions and makes observations.  He does start to give an opinion (Joseph is scummy) near the L-1 time.  RR doesn't post much here.  Nor does anyone else alive, actually.

Page 14: Joseph's UB claim, and mostly good reactions.  RR's #340 is strong and sensible.  It shows he's thought about how claims work.  It also goes along with his self-explanatory claim here.

****Intermission.****

[ashersky]

Vote Count 1.3

Joseph2302 (6): Awaclus, mcmcsalot, JaketheBaseballGod22, Robz888, faust, The_Wine_Merchant
JaketheBaseballGod22 (1): Joseph2302
faust (1): gkrieg13

Not Voting (4): Calamitas, IDontPlayThisGame, EFHW, Roadrunner7671

With 12 alive, it takes 7 to lynch. Day 1 ends at Jan. 7th at 12:00 pm forum time.


quoting games that are finished is allowed.

Still re-reading, but this vote count stands out.  Of the six on Joseph, three are confirmed town now.  One is claimed Awaclus, then you have mcmc and TWM.

There seems to me to have been plenty of time to hammer as scum here.  Joseph sat at L-1 for awhile.  Was there some fear of seeming scummy for an early day end?  Dunno, but you had some good support for it in Robz, for example.

RR was off and was adamantly not lynching Joseph.  Gkrieg and EFHW and the guy I replaced are also off wagon and had the opportunity to lynch a lot.  Plus dead Calamitas.

I think this raises the scum bar on mcmc and TWM (and Awa some), and lowers it on gkrieg and EFHW for me.

[ashersky]

Continuing...

Page 15:  #362 from TWM is the hedgiest of all hedges on the UB claim, and that's super scummy.

Page 16:  Calamitas shows up with some super towny stuff...I had him as a scum read at the end of the day for being so absent but I guess he was around earlier.  Jake also has his terribad idea of lynching Joseph on D2.

Pages 17-19:  Mostly this is dominated by the Robz wagon growing and the Awaclus soft-claim.  To be honest, I did not see a softclaim of UB by Awaclus while reading.  Robz paints one into the lines there, which didn't help him survive D1.  He thinks Awa/gkrieg are scummy at this point.

Page 20: Important thing I note here is a definitely separation between EFHW and gkrieg13.  They could both be town, but they cannot both be scum, in my opinion.  Also, Jake makes another blunder on this page.

Page 21: faust returns, sticks to gkrieg as scum.  He and Robz are probably screaming for us to vote gkrieg in the speccy.  This is also when you all find out IDPTG is being replaced, and Jake proposes his infamous Big 3 plan.

Page 22: arrival of this ashersky character -- seems like a boss dude.  Joseph has a good catch up post here that surmises that everyone wants to lynch gkrieg, which is generally a town tell.  This page is also full of the mcmc posts that gave me a strong town read on him when I entered the game, and why I haven't been considering him as much for scum.

Pages 23-24: more back and forth on the Big 3 plan, plus a case on gkrieg by faust that Robz likes.  I think everyone forgot it.

*****intermission, this day is long*****