ced reread:
Decides to RVS even though it doesn't really fit the game.
Okay, what do we talk about then?
In the pregame I considered the applications of accountability for partner requests - e.g. claiming all requests at the start of the following day, or simply when run up to L-2 or whatever. It seems likely that the scum would have interest in manipulating the partnerships, and having an after-the-fact request claim doesn't seem like it'd hurt.
This post is actually a good idea. It wouldn't hurt to say who we plan on requesting before the day is over.
Unvote iguanaiguana
But in the end, my vote wasn't bad at all because it got us from RVS to you actually voicing a read and give people something to work with.
Was this your goal at the time of the vote?
While we're at it, how do people feel about faust's vote on awaclus? I can't say I'm a big fan of that either.
Since you're prompting the discussion, do you have anything more to say on the awaclus vote yourself?
You know that there are QTs to discuss this sort of thing, yes?
What sort of thing are you referring to?
This is his 12th post of the game, and his first one with any real content, and it is really just all about questions. So not really that much content.
Cool.
Was there any reaction in particular you envisioned for your vote?
Also, did you consider your RR vote "bad" when you placed it? Since that's what I read from your earlier interactions with ADK.
Well, I did think some people might immediately join in, because RR's post was somewhat of a "classic" scumtell. I wanted to see who that was. I thought some might oppose it because RR is considered an easy mislynch for scum. I thought it would be interesting on which side of this people would end up.
I don't and didn't think the vote was bad though. I mean, I didn't think RR was particularly scummy there, but if at that point I had to choose someone to die, it would probably have been RR.
Alright, here is what I'm thinking:
So, you vote RR, then other people react in their own ways. ADK votes for you, and he is who you choose to respond to. Now, I don't like your responses here for a couple reasons:
-Firstly, some of your responses come across as prewrapped. Particularly #132, #135 and #137. ADK is calling your vote bad, and you're responding with non-answers. I'd expect a townie to at least have some conviction when defending their vote, but here it feels like you're conceding the point that your vote could be seen as bad. Feels very disingenuous. Your response above is the same sort of thing: "if I had to choose"
-The second requires a little context. In #151 you move your vote from RR to Awaclus*. Now, I don't begrudge the vote itself - Awaclus seems to be making a pointed effort to not contribute - though the unanswerable meta argument portion of your reason is uninspired.
There's more than that, though. In the above quote you mention that you were looking for people who would immediately join you in voting for RR, amongst other things. You got such a person in Silverspawn (#111). You do acknowledge this vote at the very least, both immediately and again in conversation with ADK. In #131 you draw ADK's attention to it, then in the second line of #134 you suggest that it's a worse vote than yours. It's very deflectionary. There's not a lot of interest on your part to follow up with Silverspawn (as evidenced by your Awaclus vote) but wouldn't it be nice if ADK and others could look at Silverspawn for you?
Vote faust
*without unvoting first. I consider this a minor scumtell sometimes, but to some people it's a force of habit so whatever.
Now this post actually has content and it is pretty good analysis. I don't like his first point. Mainly because I don't think it is true. I don't think townies are more likely to defend their vote. Eh actually after rereading it a second time, I don't really like it. But it does look like he is genuinely trying.
It's kinda a mafia "common wisdom" that the second vote is scummier than the first, as in it's easier to hop on a wagon than to create one. By such logic, ADK should be voting for silver over me. He's not, and I want to know why.
See, here's the disconnect: you're suspicious of ADK for going for you over Silverspawn, because you believe Silver's second vote is scummier than yours. Yet you aren't suspicious of Silverspawn for said vote in the first place. It all feels very "why me?", like you were hoping for Silver to catch more flak for his vote than he did.
Speaking of ADK, though, what's your opinion of his decision to vote you and be the first on your wagon, as opposed to voting Silver and being the 2nd/3rd on that wagon?
You are overreacting very much to this vote ADK gave you.
vote: Faust
My first real vote.
Your Silverspawn vote wasn't real?
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By my count that is 5 votes on faust, of varying value. Do you observe L-2 claims on this site? If so, how do we handle them in this game where votes sometimes don't count?
There are a few people we haven't heard from in over 24hrs, which is quite a while given the length of the day. Silverspawn in particular may have something pertinent to say about his partner (at least from what I've gathered from faust's defenses). I'd also like to hear from ADK about what he thinks of faust's latest posts.
Then I'm also interested in hearing from gkrieg/Haddock/Jimmm, who haven't had a real chance to post yet.
I can't believe I'm defending faust this much.
Your first point talks about faust saying why me? Well obviously that is what he should be asking. Why are people voting for him over ss, when he believes ss had the scummier vote. He should be asking these kinds of questions to figure out patterns in voting behaviors.
He keeps pushing the case on faust, which he uses very convincing words, but I don't think there is much substance to his case. But it is also a D1 case.
I'm here! I think faust is town. Especially with silvers backing. I mean maybe they're both scum, but eh.
Just caught up and read everything. I may have missed bits and pieces (on phone) but my main takeaway here is a scummy vibe I'm getting from iguana. His posts just don't seem like him somehow. I'm aware this is super weak. But it's what I got. vote: iguana
Im null-scum on ced. But would like to leave that for a while, see some more of ced's play. (Pronoun, ced? )
I'm a guy.
This is... low on analysis and high on feels. I must admit I was informed you were usually quite analytical.
EWP: I suppose I'll await your concrete.
The whole daychat thing makes my mod outguessing game a whole lot worse though... it still has validity, but much less than I thought.
That's uh, pretty on-the-nose. Honestly, this is like one time that I'd really really like to know details of faust's meta, but these 3 posts would be strikingly town for most people that I've played with.
Unvote faust
Re: the QTs in spec chat thing. You make the assumption that the mod would keep the spec chat spoiler-free. Is that a thing here? It's not something I'm familiar with.
Something to note (I don't think anyone else has mentioned this): in the case that there are no scum pairs, scum has veto power over 3 of the 6 votes. Which would mean we can't lynch correctly before deadline without a bus.
That's something I considered in the pregame. People partnered with someone from the opposite alignment may not have a vote when it matters. Hence, due to the deadline lynch rules, what is significant is the majority of the people partnered with the same alignment as them. However I don't think it matters, since we should always be lynching by majority decision and anyone who gets in the way of that is scummy.
Woh, nice slip there ^^
Welp, now that I know Faust is town, I feel comfortable with a symbolic Vote: ced
I encourage the other dating pairs to kill my scum buddying partner.
Anything to add to this? I thought your buddying accusation was a bit rich, considering what you've posted in our chat.
So I say something about scum set-ups, everyone gets mad. But Jimmmmm can say something and nobody gets pissed.
What did you say about scum setups?
No, not really. I was addressing ADK's point, which I thought was incorrect. However, your overreaction to some votes on you spurred my vote, but then the whole 'townslip' thing happened, and I don't think it's as terribly relevant as SS thinks it is, but whatever.
How does this bolded bit jive with your post #166?
But then this post actually looks very analytical like he is really scum hunting.
He makes a
big long reads list. It does look like he is playing the game hard as either alignment. It looks like he is into the game now.
Eh
ConclusionI had hoped that I would find scum here, because I don't have any super strong scumreads yet. Unfortunately, his posts are pretty townie when they have content, and he seems to be asking the right questions and keeping the game moving, so I don't want to lynch him today.
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