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[gkrieg13]

Yay we got scum!

[Axxle]

"We"

vote: Joseph
He and adk ignored each other super hard yesterday

[yuma]

Early Day1 Reread of ADK:

votes for: ss, hydrad, ww, rr, hydrad, adk

People voting for ADK: faust, axxle, gkrieg, ss, axxle, ww, yuma, chairs, hydrad, adk

Final Wagon: faust, Axxle, Witherweaver, yuma, chairs, Hydrad, A Drowned Kernel

Interactions with:
ss: votes for, doesn't like interaction with awaclus
yuma: about ss/awaclus, states he finds me scummy, encourages others to look toward me
hydrad: votes for/critical of lurkiness, etc, accuses of role fishing
gkrieg: questions whether he has other opinions
awaclus: questions awaclus' vote
ww: votes, calls his vote on awaclus lazy, about his vote on him, questions why WW is pretty solid town
rr: about L-3 being a big deal, votes over the masons/PR thing
axxle: about awaclus and axxle's vote on him
faust is dead:

Lacks significant joint interaction with:
chairs - chairs does vote for him
joseph - no involvement either way from what I could tell


!!I really find gkrieg the scummiest for the following:
He votes ADK on post 208, third vote joining faust and Axxle, but removes it to vote for me on post 290. In between the following occurs: ss votes for ADK (then removes it to vote for RR, axxle removes his vote to vote for hydard, but then goes back to ADK)

post 283: ADK asks what thinks of yuma.
post 284: Axxle indicates I am a decent scum candidate and post 289, axxle indicates people should consolidate their votes.
Post 290: gkrieg votes for me

What I see here is scum!gkrieg voting for his partner at a time when he is at 3 votes. His partner specifically states that others should look at voting me (confirmed town to me) and another player, Axxle (probably not third partner) indicates he could be willing to vote there. Axxle also states that people should consolidate their votes. If this occurs the biggest wagon at that time is ADK and it will grow. So gkrieg changes his vote to me, leaving the biggest wagon to start a brand new one in anticipation that Axxle will join along with partner ADK. But before that can happen...

RR posts about the mason thing #298 and ADK votes for him and that start the ball rolling toward his lynch.!!



ss is also somewhat suspect, but gkrieg is a much better vote. if gkrieg is mafia then Axxle is very unlikely to be mafia I think. RR and hydrad seems unlikely as mafia as those were the two votes that got ADK in trouble. awaclus and axxle seem on the townier side of things from voting and interaction.

WW and chairs seem townierish. Joseph is completely and totally null.

Pops list: (Most scummy to less scummy)

gkrieg <<<<<<<Joseph<<WW, chairs<<<Awaclus<<(Axxle, gkrieg non-dependent)<<<RR, Hydrad, Axxle (Gkrieg non-Dependent)<<<<yuma

vote: gkrieg

tl:dr see the section where I bold the !!

[yuma]

"We"

vote: Joseph
He and adk ignored each other super hard yesterday

I noticed that as well. I just don't think the current f.ds meta is to ignore your partner. You want some sort of interaction... Right now for me Joseph is big fat question mark. Like I have zero insight on him, which makes him on the scummier side just via POE, but I think gkrieg is a much better lynch than him.

[yuma]

gkrieg <<<<<<<ss<Joseph<<WW, chairs<<<Awaclus<<(Axxle, gkrieg non-dependent)<<<RR, Hydrad, Axxle (Gkrieg non-Dependent)<<<<yuma

missed putting ss into this... see the bolded addition

[Axxle]

Opening up a bit earlier so I can go to bed a bit earlier.  Hope no one minds too much.  If you do, lodge a formal complaint using this form

"Error: Project access denied."

I wanted to complain that your link wasn't to a Rick Roll

[gkrieg13]

My voting history maybe doesn't look the best, but I'm not scum. ADK went from scum to null to scum again in my eyes. I don't think he would've self hammered if I had been his partner with intent to hammer. I think he would've let me hammer him instead to get some town cred

[Hydrad]

My voting history maybe doesn't look the best, but I'm not scum. ADK went from scum to null to scum again in my eyes. I don't think he would've self hammered if I had been his partner with intent to hammer. I think he would've let me hammer him instead to get some town cred

oh interesting point.

I actually like this point a lot.

[yuma]

My voting history maybe doesn't look the best, but I'm not scum. ADK went from scum to null to scum again in my eyes. I don't think he would've self hammered if I had been his partner with intent to hammer. I think he would've let me hammer him instead to get some town cred

I honestly don't know why ADK hammered. Honestly, if he had claimed PR I probably would have backed off... But I don't think he hammered to prevent you from getting town cred... mostly because you weren't really going to hammer

intent to hammer

But not for a while because we have plenty of time.

any time soon. Anyone else not voting for him could have hammered before you.

and frankly, had you hammered, you would have received zero town cred from me and probably from most everyone else... (guessing here, but the desperation buss hammer is generally the vote that gets the least amount of town cred from me)

[yuma]

My voting history maybe doesn't look the best, but I'm not scum. ADK went from scum to null to scum again in my eyes. I don't think he would've self hammered if I had been his partner with intent to hammer. I think he would've let me hammer him instead to get some town cred

oh interesting point.

I actually like this point a lot.

phooey

[2.71828.....]

Opening up a bit earlier so I can go to bed a bit earlier.  Hope no one minds too much.  If you do, lodge a formal complaint using this form

"Error: Project access denied."

I wanted to complain that your link wasn't to a Rick Roll

Updated the link. Should work now

[Joseph2302]

"We"

vote: Joseph
He and adk ignored each other super hard yesterday

I noticed that as well. I just don't think the current f.ds meta is to ignore your partner. You want some sort of interaction... Right now for me Joseph is big fat question mark. Like I have zero insight on him, which makes him on the scummier side just via POE, but I think gkrieg is a much better lynch than him.

I ignored most people D1, wasn't that active.

[Joseph2302]

Also, relooking at how D1 ended, I think RR is probably a Mason (although don't want a claim right now).

In terms of the setup, we know scum had a RB. which means there were at most 4 T rolls, and so we have at least 2 PR rolls. Not a lot of information, but it's something.

Also, 1 scum is dead, which is always good.

[Joseph2302]

I also doubt both other scum were on the ADK lynch, probably 1 was and 1 wasn't.

[Awaclus]

>there's not much going on in a mafia game
>go to sleep
>wake up
>scum has gotten lynched in the meantime


That was crazy.

[silverspawn]

I have no idea what is happening! Totally missed the end of the day because the election was going on.

I'll catch up now.

[silverspawn]

True.

I suggest everyone evaluate your current vote and ask yourself if it would be better placed elsewhere.

I don't really like a Hydrad vote here.  ADK has been sounding townier, so I guess I should move my vote.  faust seems town to me.

vote: yuma

I don't like the votes on chairs, Awaclus, and RR.  Not only do they dilute wagons, they just don't seem like very good votes.

Look there!

I don't really want to vote for WW, but I would be fine voting for ss.

You should rather vote for scum.

Then say so when you vote? I guess... Do what ever you want. I am not your mom. And maybe my vote is Omgus partially but that doesn't mean my point isn't valid. And why aren't you voting for ss then?

mhhhhh

I'm not trying to change the subject on purpose/talk about irrelevant things, but can we talk about Masons?

-Is it a good idea to claim Masons as scum?
-Should Masons out each other to become ICs ever?
-If so, when?
-If you know your Mason buddy is an IC, should you claim to save them?
-If you're a Mason who's about to get lynched, should you out your partner to save yourself as a VT?
-As a PR?

errr where is this coming from? Let the masons decide that.

Trying to get people to talk about PRs when there's no reason to is scummy.

Scum or not,  I agree with that.

7 days is nothing

7 days is 7 days. Don't make this blitz. Or we could blitz vote you. That could be fun.

subtly discouraging the ADK wagon.

Okay, ADK seems sort of annoying here, but I'm not sure about scummy. Regressive? Maybe. But scummy? I'm not sure.

Looks at how hedgy I am! Isn't it awful!
But D1 reads are not my thing.
PPE

Town read on RR

Also on Hydrad for his wagon treatment and saying he's obvtown.

oh ADK self-hammers. Questionable move I think - I'd have put his lynch on like 80% or something... are 7 days really worth more than those 20%?

Oh yay faust died. so hes town. I like faust meta. In a way hes the easiest person to read .

Also. Wasn't expecting ADK to be scum there. gj people

errrrwhat? you were the deciding vote on his wagon. And you said you're okay with his lynch. So why didn't you expect him to be scum?

Yay we got scum!

Scummy

[silverspawn]

My voting history maybe doesn't look the best, but I'm not scum. ADK went from scum to null to scum again in my eyes. I don't think he would've self hammered if I had been his partner with intent to hammer. I think he would've let me hammer him instead to get some town cred

oh interesting point.

I actually like this point a lot.

Quite.

I like vote: yuma, ironically. I think he's being towny in the way that careful scum play would feel towny.

[yuma]

My voting history maybe doesn't look the best, but I'm not scum. ADK went from scum to null to scum again in my eyes. I don't think he would've self hammered if I had been his partner with intent to hammer. I think he would've let me hammer him instead to get some town cred

oh interesting point.

I actually like this point a lot.

Quite.

I like vote: yuma, ironically. I think he's being towny in the way that careful scum play would feel towny.

I actually called this in my qt and promised myself that I would react in a calm, dignified manner.

But you really don't like the points I make about gkrieg interacting with adk and potentially axxle as unwitting town to move the wagon to me?

I mean if you are adk and gkrieg partner I see that you have to react this way, but that is just confirmation bias working for me and I don't totally want to go there... yet.

Do you think I am scum based on how I interacted with adk and how he interacted with me (tried to move the wagon from him to me). I don't think I am the most townie but I certainly don't think I should be today's lynch...

[silverspawn]

But you really don't like the points I make about gkrieg interacting with adk and potentially axxle as unwitting town to move the wagon to me?

I do like them. I just think scum!you can make strong points. It's a compliment! I wouldn't vote for you if I thought you were worse as scum.

I mean if you are adk and gkrieg partner I see that you have to react this way, but that is just confirmation bias working for me and I don't totally want to go there... yet.

Do you think I am scum based on how I interacted with adk and how he interacted with me (tried to move the wagon from him to me). I don't think I am the most townie but I certainly don't think I should be today's lynch...

The only argument related to the ADK wagon was that you discouraged a short day - which could also make perfect sense from a town perspective.

I believe that you don't think you should be today's lynch. I always think I shouldn't be today's lynch. And I won't!

[yuma]

But you really don't like the points I make about gkrieg interacting with adk and potentially axxle as unwitting town to move the wagon to me?

I do like them. I just think scum!you can make strong points. It's a compliment! I wouldn't vote for you if I thought you were worse as scum.

Thanks for the compliment. I would rather you agree with me and vote for gkrieg though. Especially because your voting for me appears to be solely based on me making a strong case rather than any scummy interaction with ADK. Isn't that sort of backwards thinking?

I mean if you are adk and gkrieg partner I see that you have to react this way, but that is just confirmation bias working for me and I don't totally want to go there... yet.

Why would I act this way if ADK and gkrieg were my partners? You really think strong bussing is the way to go here after having a partner lost day1? What is the end game? Partner gkrieg gets lynched day2 and I have to fend off figuring out why I haven't been NKed for being so pro-town the rest of the game and get lynched day4? That isn't going to lead to a win...

The only argument related to the ADK wagon was that you discouraged a short day - which could also make perfect sense from a town perspective.

I was voting for ADK. Were you. Here, let me remind you:

Vote: adk

because of his vote on RR for the mason thing

followed by:

Welcome to M77: Blitz Mafia!

ah I have a feeling that he won't get lynched here and then another wagon will pop up and then they will have a higher chance of being lynched then this.

This feels like you asking me to hammer just so that I'll be right or something.
But don't worry, I'm not hammering in the here and now.

I think this post might be scummy though. 
(By 'this post,' I mean Yuma's post.)

Define this again. Cause I don't know what you are talking about Willis

As many people know, I'm pretty influential.

I say 'he's about to get hammered.' You say 'No he's not.'
If I was playing Jerk Mafia, I would've hammered him just to be right or something. I'm not really sure what my thought process would've been.

But I believe you know this. Trying to get a lynch now is scummy.

Therefore, Hydrad = mildly scummy

ahha but L-1 can give us information!
Information helps town!
Therefore, Hydrad = super towny

Admitting to rolefishing=super scummy

vote: Hydrad

Double vote adk

Ok with claim/hammer

which doesn't show that I wanted to avoid a short day. What I didn't want was to force consolidation of votes that early. Turns out that consolidation would have and did result in an ADK lynch.

But the real person who was trying to stop that from happening was gkrieg by turning a lynch onto me.

In addition ADK had this interaction with me:

vote: adk

sorry, shouldn't try to stretch town on so many vote targets

I still think ss, ww, and Faust are town so those wagons are so weird looking to me.

What do you think of yuma?

trying to start a new wagon on me at a time when he was at 3 votes and the largest wagon and Axxle was pushing for consolidation. It is what prompted partner!gkrieg to vote for me. You think ADK thinks... "man I am getting in kinda hot water... I know I'll push for a wagon on my partner instead?"

I believe that you don't think you should be today's lynch. I always think I shouldn't be today's lynch. And I won't!

And this isn't just me thinking I shouldn't be lynched. Arguably, I think I am one of the 4 or 5 most townie people currently in the game.

gkrieg should be the lynch today. I realized it the moment that ADK was lynched and flipped scum and my reread did nothing to solidify that as I saw the events line up in a perfect scum narrative and saw nothing else that made me think anyone else was definitively scum. I mean... we lynched scum yesterday! Why aren't you using that information to find scum instead of relying solely on today's interactions?

To put this in perspective... I feel strongly about this as I did the awaclus lynch in Fanfiction. This isn't just me casually pushing a lynch. This is me feeling really strong about a lynch. I rarely feel this way, but this just feels super right to me.

[silverspawn]

Why would I act this way if ADK and gkrieg were my partners? You really think strong bussing is the way to go here after having a partner lost day1? What is the end game? Partner gkrieg gets lynched day2 and I have to fend off figuring out why I haven't been NKed for being so pro-town the rest of the game and get lynched day4? That isn't going to lead to a win...

Uh, no, the thing you're quoting from me there is what you said. I just had it in my post as a quote fail.

[silverspawn]

hm, fine. vote: gkrieg   

[yuma]

Why would I act this way if ADK and gkrieg were my partners? You really think strong bussing is the way to go here after having a partner lost day1? What is the end game? Partner gkrieg gets lynched day2 and I have to fend off figuring out why I haven't been NKed for being so pro-town the rest of the game and get lynched day4? That isn't going to lead to a win...

Uh, no, the thing you're quoting from me there is what you said. I just had it in my post as a quote fail.

ok. good. Cause I was all like...     

[yuma]

hm, fine. vote: gkrieg

I'll be honest... even if I am not right here (but I really do think I am) this made me happy. Sometimes I just really need people to agree with me... even if just for a little while. So thanks!