Okay, I guess I will read things. Surprised no one wants to lynch JReggie.
Hydrad:
I have arived!
Why is there like 5 pages of posts already! I missed RVS!
also. Totally forgot that I had signed up for this game I got my message. We will se how this goes.
First thoughts.
Hey we have some championship guys here. Thats pretty neat. This should be a fun game.
Seprix feels like a new person. But I don't think hes played for a while so maybe he just changed a bit? still weird.
Vote: Awaclus for now though.
Vote: Awaclus for now though.
Expand on this please.
I did not like this intro post. It feels very detached/distant.
Ok sorry. uh basically I'm still not really sure where to go at the moment. Awaclus is a nice default for me as his town/scum feel so similar to me and I feel like as town hes less helpful as town (in my opinion) but when hes scum hes also not very helpful but he doesn't need to be as scum. So bascially its just a spot to place my vote for now.
One thing I will say though is I'm really liking you as a player here though. I'm leaning town on you right now.
O liopoil had a wagon that sounds like fun.
I'm going to go
Vote: fontisian though.
This is a more serious vote then the awaclus one.
Man, all of the recent discussion seems like mindless babble over reads and reads lists. We were actually getting some serious stuff done, and now it's all lame.
I think this discussion is keeping progress going.
Its interesting to see.
Right now I'm trying to get a read on Jan from all of this though. His list doesn't feel fabricated at least from my perspective. so I think I'm leaning town on him.
Wow that was a tough one. Par the course for Hydrad. My generally feeling is a slight inclination that this is him as town. I think he's more likely to say the kind of 'hey I haven't been paying attention I missed stuff!' in his first post as someone that hasn't been chatting in a QT. Yes that's a meta argument, whoever was complaining about that this game.
Then a wild Iguana appears:
Hi everyone, my name is Hydrad. Sorry for lurking. Looks like I have some reading to do.
I'm not going to quote everything he says because there's more than Hydrad. He doesn't show up until Day 2, and Hydrad was gone after early Day 1, so there's little relating to the lynch with this slot.
Says this in his second post:
My gut feeling though is actually to look closest at the players off the Awaclus wagon because I don't think scum wants to participate too heavily in a last minute snap-mislynch like that.
Could be of interest.
Starts reading back, I guess that's what you have to do. Starts saying stuff about Teproc being scum. Man who does this guy think he is? Also:
Tryhard scum is tryhard.
Really? Do you think an experienced scum would open the game like this?
Town on this.
No, that's scummy. Are you playing backwards game? Anyone been voting for Silverspawn? Also, claims scummy on ADK for ADK finding Teproc's instatownread suspicious. That's fair from ADK, though Teproc comes out with strong opinions early. Ends this post with a 'town v. town' statement about Sperix and Melisandre. Generally a scummy thing to say, but he prefaces it by saying that he thought that before he was in the game. Well, way to play preemptive defense.
Continues to think we should move towards ADK, points out ADK started the Awaclus thing. Also says people should look at Teproc. Man, Teproc was good people.
Doubles down on the 'town v. town' on Seprix and Melisandre. Uses it to tunnel ADK. Claims town on RR for flawed reasons. Finds everyone that votes for Seprix scummy. Town on Gkrieg, an implied scum on Lio. Says J Reggie is kind of scummy, heyyo.
Settles on wanting to lynch ADK, but doesn't vote because he hasn't caught up yet. Man, where's your sense of irresponsibility?
I don't really agree with his conclusions thus far (well, Seprix is likely town), though he's read more than I have. I don't really get a scummy feel.. the only thing I don't like is the consistency. Starts with a couple town, a couple scum, and then reads just confirm this.
Continuing, more solidification of scum reads on Teproc and ADK.
Okay, then the townslip thing. Man, that's bad:
Lio, would you mind analyzing your wagon? Who do you think is the most likely to be scum on it? Who is more likely town?
If this game does not have scumchat that can be permanently used, then this is coaching = posisble partner.
If this game does have scumchat (during the day), then she would not do this as partner and they are never w/w.
That being said. The setup info didn't clarify how you handle scumchat on this site. Call it a dumbtell, but how do you do it normally?
Did anyone comment on this classic townslip?
There's a lot of bad here, really. Calling fontisian's question coaching is a bit of a stretch, in the sense that it's completely garbage. Even if scum had daychat and fontisian and Lio were partners, this post would probably still happen. More likely this is simply fontisian (a) scumhutning or (b) pretending to scumhunt. Jan's response here is pretty empty, like very so. So bad on Jan, bad bad on Iguana.
Moving on, Iguana questions Lio's reads. Well that's good. Talks more about the daychat thing:
I think it's more that Jan's line of thinking here wouldn't actually occur to scum, who know the answers. Therefore the entire line of thinking would need to have been fabricated. That's harder to fake than just saying "Oh, I forgot daychat." (This is something that silverscum actually did in the championship game as scum.
Why would that line of thinking not occur to scum? It's a trivial thing to fake. If anything, Jan even considering daychat makes them more likely to be scum. Town doesn't think about such things. Scum does, because they need to post something and look like they're trying to 'figure stuff out'.
Then Silver says something, votes Iguana, Seprix gets really excited (I just do not see scum behaving this way. Looking at what Silver says.. well, he's right about it not being a townslip. But man, why does he need the weird 'scum has daychat and Iguana is scum and forgot about it' scenario? Overexplained, too. Classic scummy. Would it be scummy if Iguana were scum? Not sure.. less so I think.
[silverspawn's usual bullshit]
okay then, you always scumread me though
+1 for this. Not townie or scummy though. Then a big wagon forms on him, but he's away. This is what initially made me think he was scum when I saw it in the speccy, because it seemed like a 'I'm caught, better keep a low profile and see if it blows over' reaction. Other people seem to think this way too, but Iguana comes back explaining he was at work. Starts responding to the wagon:
I'll do my best to respond to the votes on me one at a time, since everyone is more or less voting me for a different reason.
iguana is scum. Scum has daychat. iguana forgot that it was not in the setup. his calling it a town slip is a scum slip. Then, when he realized what he had done, he fabricated this explanation:
So the fact that this question about daychat likelihood even occurred to him indicates town.
which I do not buy. He called it a "classic townslip". Openly wondering about something town does not know - that is not a town slip. That is the lack of a scum slip. it is what scum does with almost every post, whenever they voice a read on someone, they are pretending to think about something they already know.
The crux of silver's argument revolves around the definitions of scumslip and townslip. When I made my post, I was thinking of a townslip as any line of thought that indicates it is coming from town, and would be difficult for scum to fake. Probably, I should have said it was a strong town-tell, not a slip. silver however believes that I, as scum, believed that daychat was posted in the setup and scumslipped.
1) Most games on this site don't have daychat. Already has been said.
2) Why would I make the mistake of thinking that something is posted in the setup when literally almost nothing is posted in the setup? This setup is completely closed, and we're given two paragraphs of very general information on it.
3) Look at the timestamps. I made the townslip comment #1333 at 2:46PM. Seprix responded with post #1335 at 2:49PM. I responded at #1338 with a clarification of what I meant at 2:54PM. The entire space of the interchange was 8 minutes. This was not me inventing a fake explanation to cover up a mistake; that would have taken me longer. It was me clarifying an idea that was already in my head. I read and responded to Seprix's comment within 5 minutes.
Kept wondering when I'd get to the much-discussed cases on Liopoil & e. People are starting to question e's lurking, I too am finding that scummy. And now I just got to this:
Seriously, it's a simple, jokey question, but it's enough to make liopoil react defensively AND feel the need to add another post because he's scared of the way his first response is read ?
The second post is really what makes it scummy for me, town probably doesn't even take the time to respond to that in the first place, but liopoil cared enough to post twice about it !
Roadrunner best scumhunter 2016.
This case on Lio is actually quite good. But I doubt it quite a bit, because it's coming from my second strongest scumread. Teproc early day looked awful, then he disappeared. Coming back with this does not inspire my confidence in the case.
Ewwwww. "I know lio is scum, and want to look good if he gets lynched, but look how scummy Teproc is guys!"
Vote: iguanaiguana
I'm good with killing lio too at this point.
Iguana: Why don't you go into more detail on Teproc's d1 and why it looks scummy?
You say I was thinking "I know lio is scum, and want to look good if he gets lynched, but look how scummy Teproc is guys!"
Actually, the line of thinking was:
"Teproc's case looks good in isolation, but in the context it makes Teproc look scummy and Liopoil looks town because Teproc's play has been scummy.
I shared my developing scumread on Teproc here and here. I also really don't like how Teproc disappears and lurks for a long while after making the early posts that I took issue with, only to come back and make a snap case on Liopoil based on him being self-conscious. I don't know what Teproc has done in the middle of the game, because I wasn't there, but his not being around for the EoD1 looks bad, and continuing to tunnel Liopoil after Liopoil has only made towny contributions to the game since the initial 'case' looks bad too.
I will admit that confirmation bias may have played a role. I hesitated to scumread Liopoil for the awkward comment because I was already scumreading Teproc, and he was making the case.
"Look how consistent I am!"
Summarizes his wagon:
Alright so currently voting for me are:
Seprix - Town. But I always townread Seprix. But Seprix is always town. Dude is grasping at serious straws here looking for scum, willing to believe almost anything. It's super hard to imitate that kind of cluelessness when you have the game solved.
Fontisian - Uhm....a town??? Her reasons for voting me seem pretty legitimate, although I do think some of it is based in misunderstanding my original posts. She's not buying the scumslip thing, which is a ridiculous argument, so that's town points. But really... she's the mafia champion something something, how am I supposed to be able to tell when she's scum?
Haddock - Pretty null. I can believe that Haddock genuinely thinks I'm scum. He usually does.
J Reggie - IDK. Seriously, IDK. Sorry. No clue how to read this guy.
silverscum - I was townreading him, now I'm not so convinced. His argument was just, awful. It's hard for me to believe he genuinely believes it & it really feels like he's just trying to push a mislynch because he's good with words, has a good reputation, and therefore he can get away with it.
ADK - Scum. I've already talked about this read. Also he just jumped on the wagon hardly commenting.
Is anyone else voting for me?
Also, these reads are weak, mainly because I still haven't read the entire game yet ><
Better get working on that...
And we're basically caught up.
I'm a bit lost here. Trying to catch up has been super hard. Right now I want to vote ADK, but feel like that's a pretty uninformed vote and that I need to rethink it. Meanwhile I'm becoming the default lynch and part of it I know is because I haven't had the time to put in the effort to actually analyse this game and form decent reads.
I don't have work tomorrow morning. I am going to give my best efforts then and place a vote.
Seems sincere.
Well, that was fun. If there's a conclusion from this I don't know what it is. Maybe targetted rereads aren't the smartest thing since all the responses are out of context. His reaction to his wagon is not really scummy. Scummiest thing about him is the consistency of his reads. Feels like he came in with an idea and just found things to support that idea as he read.
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