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[Twistedarcher]

vote: pps already had two votes that made me say "huh?" and nonsensical pps is scum pps from my experience.

[Hydrad]

here for now! be back later though for more.

my opinion is masons and UB claim? or something like that. I don't know if we gain much by having cops and stuff claim. maybe vigs?

I dunno. Full massclaim sounds scary but a smallish one I'm ok with.

Why have UB claim?  Wouldn't he just be killed the next night and be made useless?

PPE 3

i feel like UB will generally become like an IC if he claims. which is pretty good I think?

[yuma]

Hey I like this; let's do a Shahrazad.  If your faction wins, we massclaim in the real game.  If not, we don't.

That would be an awesome Day 1.

I don't know what that means... i looked it up on google and it took me to a magic: the gathering reference, which I know nothing about.

[Twistedarcher]

agree that masons should claim. strongly disagree we should kill one off though, come on now

[faust]

and I am not so sure about Awalacus as he did the same thing as chairs, but more on a follow up level...

Pretty sure Awaclus posted that before he got to read chairs' post.

Anyway Awaclus is townie. He doesn't have that forced meta replication going on he tends to perform as scum.

PPE 7 you guys are fast.

[Twistedarcher]

UB claiming seems good too. IC is good and it won't get counterclaimed D1.

[Witherweaver]

Hey I like this; let's do a Shahrazad.  If your faction wins, we massclaim in the real game.  If not, we don't.

That would be an awesome Day 1.

I don't know what that means... i looked it up on google and it took me to a magic: the gathering reference, which I know nothing about.

You stop the current game and play  a game within a subgame.  Subgame has some stakes relevant to the supergame. 

What I'm saying is, we roll a new version of this setup and assign roles and all play through a version of the game.  If you're on the winning team, we'll follow your plan.  If not, we don't.

[yuma]

here for now! be back later though for more.

my opinion is masons and UB claim? or something like that. I don't know if we gain much by having cops and stuff claim. maybe vigs?

I dunno. Full massclaim sounds scary but a smallish one I'm ok with.

I feel that UB should only claim if we do a full mass claim. It would be beneficial there as he likely wouldn't be the only target that mafia might try to hit, lots of WIFOM there and would still have the IC status.

[Witherweaver]

and I am not so sure about Awalacus as he did the same thing as chairs, but more on a follow up level...

Pretty sure Awaclus posted that before he got to read chairs' post.

Anyway Awaclus is townie. He doesn't have that forced meta replication going on he tends to perform as scum.

PPE 7 you guys are fast.

He's posted like twice!

[Witherweaver]

Faust has an awfully lot of strong alignment reads for 3 hours into the game.

[yuma]

You stop the current game and play  a game within a subgame.  Subgame has some stakes relevant to the supergame. 

What I'm saying is, we roll a new version of this setup and assign roles and all play through a version of the game.  If you're on the winning team, we'll follow your plan.  If not, we don't.

head hurts... sounds like a charlie Kaufman movie

[Witherweaver]

You stop the current game and play  a game within a subgame.  Subgame has some stakes relevant to the supergame. 

What I'm saying is, we roll a new version of this setup and assign roles and all play through a version of the game.  If you're on the winning team, we'll follow your plan.  If not, we don't.

head hurts... sounds like a charlie Kaufman movie

I guess we'd need Silver to mod the subgame for us, but I'm sure he'd be .... game.

[Twistedarcher]

here for now! be back later though for more.

my opinion is masons and UB claim? or something like that. I don't know if we gain much by having cops and stuff claim. maybe vigs?

I dunno. Full massclaim sounds scary but a smallish one I'm ok with.

I feel that UB should only claim if we do a full mass claim. It would be beneficial there as he likely wouldn't be the only target that mafia might try to hit, lots of WIFOM there and would still have the IC status.

I'd rather have scum shoot the UB than shoot a cop. Plus if there's a doctor just the UB claiming is very very good.

[faust]

Faust has an awfully lot of strong alignment reads for 3 hours into the game.

Well, what can I say? I'm good.

[faust]

Policy vote: yuma for bringing up massclaiming and having all players engage in a discussion where they unwillingly drop hints about their roles.

[yuma]

Also one more reason that I like claiming... cause I keep coming up with more...

If mafia decide to claim a PR then they run into the Robz problem of claiming a PR early, but some how mysteriously not dying the longer the game goes on. Which generally means that a mafia should claim VT early and not worry about that, but if we just lynch out of the VT pool then we have a higher success rate.

It puts a catch-22 on mafia, which I quite like!

[yuma]

Policy vote: yuma for bringing up massclaiming and having all players engage in a discussion where they unwillingly drop hints about their roles.

that is their problem... not mine. People should be smart enough to not do that. But really in the end if we mass claim, it doesn't matter!

[faust]

Vote: TA

[Witherweaver]

Policy vote: yuma for bringing up massclaiming and having all players engage in a discussion where they unwillingly drop hints about their roles.

Right, because scum always rolefishes.

[Twistedarcher]

Policy vote: yuma for bringing up massclaiming and having all players engage in a discussion where they unwillingly drop hints about their roles.

that's on the other players, not on yuma. and bringing up that people are dropping hints is even worse than what yuma did.

i'm pro massclaim, but it's probably more from the viewpoint of i want to see what happens and its impact on the game than i'm 100% convinced it will happen.

[faust]

Policy vote: yuma for bringing up massclaiming and having all players engage in a discussion where they unwillingly drop hints about their roles.

that is their problem... not mine. People should be smart enough to not do that. But really in the end if we mass claim, it doesn't matter!

You know as well as me that people are not smart enough to do that.

PPS has stated he is unwilling to claim, so has Awaclus. This should end the discussion, since a massclaim only works if everyone participates. If anyone else thinks some specific role should claim, they either are that role and go ahead and claim or they shut up.

[Witherweaver]

Also one more reason that I like claiming... cause I keep coming up with more...

If mafia decide to claim a PR then they run into the Robz problem of claiming a PR early, but some how mysteriously not dying the longer the game goes on. Which generally means that a mafia should claim VT early and not worry about that, but if we just lynch out of the VT pool then we have a higher success rate.

It puts a catch-22 on mafia, which I quite like!

So, like, would you be pro-massclaim in every open setup?

[faust]

Policy vote: yuma for bringing up massclaiming and having all players engage in a discussion where they unwillingly drop hints about their roles.

Right, because scum always rolefishes.

That's why it was a policy vote.

[Twistedarcher]

Policy vote: yuma for bringing up massclaiming and having all players engage in a discussion where they unwillingly drop hints about their roles.

that is their problem... not mine. People should be smart enough to not do that. But really in the end if we mass claim, it doesn't matter!

You know as well as me that people are not smart enough to do that.

PPS has stated he is unwilling to claim, so has Awaclus. This should end the discussion, since a massclaim only works if everyone participates. If anyone else thinks some specific role should claim, they either are that role and go ahead and claim or they shut up.

massclaim doesn't need 100% approval, if it happens people participate, even if they're in the minority.

vote: massclaim

[faust]

Policy vote: yuma for bringing up massclaiming and having all players engage in a discussion where they unwillingly drop hints about their roles.

that is their problem... not mine. People should be smart enough to not do that. But really in the end if we mass claim, it doesn't matter!

You know as well as me that people are not smart enough to do that.

PPS has stated he is unwilling to claim, so has Awaclus. This should end the discussion, since a massclaim only works if everyone participates. If anyone else thinks some specific role should claim, they either are that role and go ahead and claim or they shut up.

massclaim doesn't need 100% approval, if it happens people participate, even if they're in the minority.

vote: massclaim

False.