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[silverspawn]

Started writing a post a few times, didn't get far any time, the big thing I wanted to say was that massclaiming is pro-scum, both mime and mafia


In a slightly different direction, silverspawn hasn't posted at all today; is this the master mimestrat?

Worth a vote:ss

mh. my gut wants to give town points for this, my brain scum points. going after lurkers is an easy thing for scum to do, but this feels genuine.

Alas, 2 scum points

[Ghacob]

The third fourth attempt to reply to your reread:

typing is hard

I see little reason not to trust you and go with XP, as you appear to be leading, right? Because even if you're a lying scum, XP's flip would confirm it, sealing the win, yeah?

I shouldn't stop your rereading prematurely though, just tryin' to say some words that seem to follow where you're leading


..It actually makes sense as both town and mafia for you to fixate on one of us, as, as long as one of us get lynched, your winning odds go up from/to 50%..I think i mathed that right

PPE: a bunch

[silverspawn]

I see little reason not to trust you and go with XP, as you appear to be leading, right? Because even if you're a lying scum, XP's flip would confirm it, sealing the win, yeah?

yes. mafia needs both townies mislynched to win; for any town player alive not getting mislynched is enough to win

..It actually makes sense as both town and mafia for you to fixate on one of us, as, as long as one of us get lynched, your winning odds go up from/to 50%..I think i mathed that right

Let's see, I'd need you both lynched in order to win, so I guess it'd make sense to lean scum on both? if I give one too much town cred, that could make it less likely for chairs to vig him over me.

but I'd probably just try to be genuine as scum and not worry about results

[silverspawn]

I think I want to lynch among chairs/Ghacob/Xerxes.

oh, now Ghacob is on it too? 61 scum points

[silverspawn]

This pretty much proves to me that the single mafia player left didn't really think their decision through. Which narrows down the lynch pool significantly, I think.

ah, this is interesting. So this was the reason why Ghacob was in the lynchpool.

[silverspawn]

So, scratch the 61 scum points to start with. This is more complicated.

Well, I believe that killing the Watcher is the single best strategy for scum here.

I guess there is a nonzero chance that the Mimes jailkept the mafia and the vig shot gkrieg?

which is now zero because faust was the vig

we know that QS was the watcher, because he flipped... so why does mafia not kill him? Watcher is really powerful. Let's go into the perspective of the last mafia player.

Pro killing watcher:
- Remove strongest town PR
- Doesn't reduce the lynch pool

Con killing watcher:
- ??

Does mime have a reason to protect the watcher? I don't think so. Watcher causes town to lynch mafia. This is inherently a bad thing for for mime's, because a) if town is lynching mafia, they aren't lynching mime, and b) if mafia is gone, town has more time to deal with mimes. I don't think it is likely for the last mafia to have thought this, either.

No, it does seem like it is a mistake. That's really bad for Ghacob... like, really bad. this is pretty solid evidence, and as such weights more heavily than anything before... 324 scum points. XP has a lot more mafia experience and is less likely to do this mistake.

[silverspawn]

Time to take a risk, then.
vote: faust
THIS IS L-1

102 scum points

[silverspawn]

Now watcher dies... well, that's null.

[silverspawn]

It's worth noting, though, that a claimed vig has not powers thanks to the mimes' jailkeeping, which I'm sure is part of why faust was reluctant to claim

This is true. Is it relevant though?

[silverspawn]

Ghacob
XerxesPraelor
Witherweaver
chairs
Hydrad
silverspawn
Axxle / Axxle

Ah, it looks like for once my reads weren't completely awful

[silverspawn]

Oh, and then there was the thing were I put the IC to L-1 and no-one hammers. Let's go back to that.

Jesus, people, I feel practically like we're playing with 5 scum left alive!

How can any of you even justify voting for the IC?

Would anyone like to counterclaim?

Just...why?

This post was in between my L-1 and my unvote.

This was were I got incredibly confused about whethr or not that makes Ghacob non-mime or non-mafia. Let's just forget what I said and think again.

Pro hammering:
IC and cop dies
mafia doesn't get lynched that day

Con hammering:
looks scummy

Con-Con hammering:
could try to imitate mime

Con-Con-Con hammering
WW and Axxle were both alrady confirmed scum. Also this:

I don't want to vote WW or Axxle as I think they're the mimes.

All in all, I can see mafia!Ghacob not hammering there. Still, 87 town points.

[silverspawn]

vote: axxle.

I don't think axxle's a mime. I think ww/ghacob/axxle are the 3 scum remaining, and of the 3 I think axxle is most likely to be mafia.

37 scum points

[silverspawn]

99% sure Chairs is vig.  Ghacob for last scum, but XP is an off chance as well.

WW is talking to his mime partner, Axxle, here. Does he have motivations to tell Axxle who is the mafia? Does he have motivation to tell town?

From what I understand, it's not really relevant for him either way, which makes me think it's probably genuine. What is important is for the town vig not to ehoot the mime, which is exactly what happened.

But WW probably didn't think it through. let's just skip this one.

[silverspawn]

I remember XP having made strange decisions as a PR before - but not based on misunderstanding the setup. It was more a read thing.

silverspawn: So far, you're basically my top candidate - who do you think is a better alternative and what makes you think they're scummy?

Well, like I said earlier, I think mafia not killing the vig is the most solid piece of information that exists in this game. I think I'm incredibly unlikely to mess up there, I'm thorough as scum. And I know how strong a watcher is. Pretty sure I've said that it's one of the best PR's somewhere before (no idea where though).

This points towards Ghacob.

I did town read him pretty heavily, but I'll take evidence such as this over a read any day.

[silverspawn]

I think I want to lynch among chairs/Ghacob/Xerxes.

This pretty much proves to me that the single mafia player left didn't really think their decision through. Which narrows down the lynch pool significantly, I think.

I don't know whether to be insulted - I'm pretty sure I'd know to kill the watcher since there's no doctor.

And lastly, this is more likely to come from not!having!messed!up!and!thus!town!XP.

Adding points (which I'm not taking very seriously, I mostly did it for fun), I arrive at -2 for XP and -304 for Ghaocb. Ghacob was looking much better than XP before the watcher thing, but that's accurate, since what I just said.

vote: Ghacob

[silverspawn]

@chrairs: No-one is getting lynched without your help - this basically means that you have free power to choose any two of us three to be lynched.

If you choose me as one of those two, then I think it makes most sense to lynch me first and then shoot one of {Ghacob, XP} (unless you think confirming one of them is important). If you don't, then we can just lynch Ghacob now and, in case I was wrong, shoot XP.

[chairs]

Phone posting,  emergency happened will not be on until Monday probably.

[silverspawn]

Oh, I hope everything is okay.

Doesn't hurt the game. Deadline is Wednesday.

[XerxesPraelor]

 I will do an at least medium-size reread, and post it tomorrow.

[chairs]

Back in a place where I'll be able to post. Emergency wasn't... bad, per se. I'll probably talk about it later in "so this is where people talk at night".

[Ghacob]

I will do an at least medium-size reread, and post it tomorrow.

I will do the same for tomorrow/tonight

[XerxesPraelor]

Vote: XP as a Mime.  I know he "explained" himself, but I still think he's a Mime.

The evil plan to get me night-killed.

Scum communicating?

[XerxesPraelor]

So of our "mimes" I currently find Awaclus the mimiest

I got two of these down I think, maybe someone can help with the third
What's the scum motive for claiming mime? WIFOM
What's the mime motive for claiming mime? WIFOM
What's the town motive for claiming mime?

This makes sense and is therefore towny (heuristic learned from that game I was a scum!IC - it's really difficult to make sense while knowingly coming to the wrong conclusion).

[XerxesPraelor]

sweet! a VT claim.

My highly developed analytical skills with mimes tell me that this is either a mime trying to get lynched or a townie trying to pretend like he is a mime trying to get lynched.

sweet! a VT claim.

My highly developed analytical skills with mimes tell me that this is either a mime trying to get lynched or a townie trying to pretend like he is a mime trying to get lynched.

Sadly, neither of those is true. I wasn't trying to VT claim at all, so I didn't think about this.

PPE: vote: chairs Scummiest person so far.

so you claim to be town? and you accidently confused 'vanilla townie' with 'town' ?

This is a pretty quick change of tone, so could be two possible faked reactions (hard to remember what you committed to sometimes), but other than that I don't get any vibes from early silverspawn that I've seen yet.

1 scum point

(also, 3 town points to ghacob for the previous thing)

[XerxesPraelor]

♫Lurkers stop lurking, lurkers stop lurking, lurkers stop lurkinggg♪

Lurkers: Aww mannnn...

And I wasn't buddying, just giving reads.

vote: XP for not getting the joke

This is not content. 1 scum point.