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Miscellaneous => Forum Games => Mafia Game Threads => Topic started by: UmbrageOfSnow on August 14, 2015, 02:15:14 pm
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Welcome to M66: Paris Mafia
Setup information in the second post.
I'd like everyone to re-in here since the game type, rules, and mod have all changed. Spots for people already signed up are reserved until that player /outs though. Needed a new thread so I have the power.
Playerlist:gkrieg13, Vanilla Townie, Killed Night 2Axxle EgorK, Mime, Killed Night 5- chairs**, Backup Vig, Survived
QuickSync, Watcher, Killed Night 3- XerxesPraelor, Vanilla Townie, Survived
- silverspawn*, Vanilla Townie, Survived
Teproc Hydrad, Vanilla Townie, Killed Night 1Witherweaver, Mime, Lynched Day 4Ghacob*, Mafia Goon, Lynched Day 6faust, Vigilante, Lynched Day 3Sudgy*, Mafia Goon, Lynched Day 2Awaclus, Vanilla Townie, Lynched Day 1Hydrad Seprix, Neapolitan, Killed Night 4
Mods: Umbrageofsnow, scott_pilgrim
Tagged: Ashersky, Mail-mi, Archetype, Voltaire
Navigation:
Day 1 Start (http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=13735.msg518570#msg518570)
Teproc Replaces Hydrad (http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=13735.msg518918#msg518918)
Axxle Replaces EgorK (http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=13735.msg520654#msg520654)
Day 1 Ends with Awaclus' lynch. (http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=13735.msg521076#msg521076)
Day 2 Starts. Teproc was Night Killed. (http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=13735.msg521311#msg521311)
Day 2 Ends with Sudgy's lynch. (http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=13735.msg521670#msg521670)
Day 3 Starts. Gkrieg was Night Killed. (http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=13735.msg522167#msg522167)
Day 3 Ends with faust's lynch. (http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=13735.msg522766#msg522766)
Day 4 Begins. QuickSync was Night Killed. Hydrad replaces Seprix (http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=13735.msg523341#msg523341)
Day 4 Ends with Witherweaver's lynch. (http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=13735.msg525347#msg525347)
Day 5 Begins. Hydrad was Night Killed. (http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=13735.msg525698#msg525698)
Day 5 Ends with a No Lynch. (http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=13735.msg525876#msg525876)
Day 6 Begins. Axxle was Night Killed. (http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=13735.msg526389#msg526389)
Day 6 Ends with Ghacob's lynch. (http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=13735.msg528062#msg528062)
Rules:
The normal Rules of Mafia (http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=9211.0) apply, with the following additions and changes
General- This is the mod color. You may not use this color, or very small text, or any sort of stenography or encryption I deem likely to hurt the game.
- All players will have personal QTs that they may post in at any time.
- Questions will be answered, errors fixed, and rulebreaking punished at mod discretion. We'll try our best to be fair and impartial and make sure everyone has fun, but some questions may not be answered and some things may not be resolved the way you want. Complain about it via PM, not in thread.
Voting- You may Vote: No Lynch. If half, rounded up, of the living players vote this way, a No Lynch is achieved and the day ends.
- Voting must be in bold to count. If Scott or I recognize it as a vote for someone, it counts as a vote. Ambiguity kills, kids. If we don't know who you are voting for, it doesn't count. Errors should be pointed out in thread, but if you were just being too weird for us to figure out what you meant, just revote.
- Unvotes are not required to change your vote.
Deadlines & Prods
- Game days will last 8 real life days. Nights will last 2 days.
- All players still alive are required to check in during the night in (at least one of) their QT(s).
- Night Actions may be submitted up until an hour before the next day starts.
- When time for the day is up and no majority has been reached, the day results in a No Lynch. If your vote is 1 second after the set deadline, that vote does not count.
- Prods will be issued after 48 hours without posting in the game thread, unless you have declared V/LA in thread or in your QT. A player has 24 hours to respond to the prod, after that they will be replaced or mod-killed. After 3 prods, players are subject to replacement or modkill, at the mods' discretion.
- Players may request that they be prodded by email or some other means if they like, but prods will be sent by PM on site by default.
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This game will use a modified version of the Paris Mafia (http://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Paris_Mafia) setup.
It will be a 13 player setup with the following roles:
2 Mafia Goons
2 Mimes
1 Watcher
1 Vigilante
1 Backup Vigilante
1 Neapolitan
5 Vanilla Townies
Summary of Setup Rules
General Rules- No Lynch requires 50% of the votes rounded up.
- If there is no majority reached by the deadline, a No Lynch occurs and the day ends.
- Flavor is assigned randomly and has no bearing on alignment or role.
- Kills happen simultaneously, if the Vig or Goon would be killed, their shot still goes through.
Mime Mechanics- The Mimes win when they are both lynched, or when a second No Lynch occurs if any mimes are still alive. When the Mimes win, the game is immediately over in a loss for any other teams.
- Because of the 2nd No-Lynch clause, and no-lynching on 50% rounded up, Mimes win if the game comes down to just Town and Mimes once the Vig is dead. The No Lynch or lynching the mimes is then eventually inevitable
- If one Mime is Night Killed, the other immediately suicides.
- Mimes have a factional Jailkeeper ability and are 1-shot Bulletproof to the first Night Kill to target them.
- Mimes know when their 1-shot BP has been triggered.
Mafia- Mafia win when all other players are dead or nothing can prevent this from happening.
- The Mafia's Night Kill is compulsory. If no target is submitted, one will be chosen at random from among the entire player list.
- I've added a Night 1 Bulletproof to the Mafia.
Town- Town wins when all non-town players are dead.
- Neapolitan is a cop that returns a result of Vanilla Townie/Not Vanilla Townie.
- Watchers and Neapolitans receive "No Result" if roleblocked, Watcher receives "No Visitors" if she targets someone no one else targeted.
- Vigs are unwatchable, the Watcher will receive "No Result"
Sample Role PMs
I'll add a picture and flavor name to these as flavor, but this is the game text.
Vous êtes une Vanille Townie. Vous n'avez aucune puissance de special.
Vous gagnez quand on a éliminé toutes les menaces pour la ville.
You are a Mafia Goon, along with Yourpartner, who is also a Mafia Goon.
You share a Private Topic which may only be used during the night.
You win if at least one member of your team is alive and all other players are dead or if nothing can prevent this.
You have a factional night-kill meaning that each night one of you may night-kill a player. This kill is compulsory, if no target is selected, one will be selected for you at random from among the entire player list. If you are both alive, one of you will be chosen at random to carry out the kill.
If you are targeted for a Night Kill on Night One, it will have no result.
You are a Mime. You are on a team with Yourpartner, who is also a Mime.
You share a Private Topic which may only be used during the night.
You win when both Mimes are lynched, or when two No-Lynches have taken place and at least one Mime is still alive, or when nothing can prevent one of these win conditions from occurring. When you win, the game is over.
If Yourpartner is Night Killed, you also die the same night.
You share a factional Jailkeeper ability: Each night one of you may target a player to be protected, this will protect that player from all kills for the night. The targeted player is not informed that they were protected. You will not be informed if you protected the player from a kill.
You also roleblock your target, causing any actions they attempt to fail during the current night phase. If the target would receive information back from their power, they receive "No Result" instead. You may choose not to use this power if you like. You may target your partner but you may not target yourself.
Factional 1-Shot Bulletproof: The first Night Kill that would kill a Mime has no effect. You will be informed in the Mime QT when this happens, but you will not be informed which of you was targeted.
You are a Neapolitan. You win when all non-town players have been eliminated.
Each night you may target a player to investigate whether or not they are a Vanilla Townie. You will receive a result of "Player X is a Vanilla Townie" or "Player X is not a Vanilla Townie". A result of "No Result" indicates that you have been roleblocked.
You are a Watcher. You win when all non-town players have been eliminated.
Each night you may target a player to be watched. You will receive a list of each player who visited your target. You will not be told what action they performed. If no one visited your target, you will receive a result of "No Visitors." If you were roleblocked or if you targeted the (current) Vigilante, you will receive a result of "No Result."
You are a Vigilante. You win when all non-town players have been eliminated.
Each night you may target a player to kill. You will not receive any information back, if they remain alive, you don't know whether they were protected, bulletproof, or if you were roleblocked.
You are a Backup Vigilante. You win when all non-town players have been eliminated.
You have no special ability, but when the Vigilante dies, you become the Vigilante. See the 2nd post for that PM, although I'll post it in your QT when that becomes your role. Your power and role name change upon their death. The Watcher will get normal results from watching you, but this will no longer be true once you become the Vigilante.
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Any comments or suggestions on rules or setup welcome. We've discussed the setup a ton in the other thread though, and I think I want to get this started soon-ish, so I've picked the variation I have the best feelings about. Can change some detail if people really want, and would love to discuss balance with people before, during, or especially after the game. I want to find a version of this that works.
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Oh, and I'm probably going with expatriate writers and artists in the 1920s-1930s in Paris as a theme, for lack of any better ideas, but I'm open to any mimier suggestions.
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/in if someone /outs, otherwise /tag for a speccy
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/in
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/in
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/in if someone /outs, otherwise /tag for a speccy
This
Edge case for victory conditions: If it's reduced to just Mafia and Mimes (plus a few other similar cases), especially 2 Mimes, 2 Mafia, AND there already was a nolynch last night, the Mimes can force a NL, giving them the victory. However, the Mafia win con stops the game once they control half of town.
I believe that the Mafia wincon should be along the lines of "Mafia controls all of town or nothing can prevent this from happening"
This was a bit far out, but I felt it was worth mentioning
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/in if someone /outs, otherwise /tag for a speccy
This
Edge case for victory conditions: If it's reduced to just Mafia and Mimes (plus a few other similar cases), especially 2 Mimes, 2 Mafia, AND there already was a nolynch last night, the Mimes can force a NL, giving them the victory. However, the Mafia win con stops the game once they control half of town.
I believe that the Mafia wincon should be along the lines of "Mafia controls all of town or nothing can prevent this from happening"
This was a bit far out, but I felt it was worth mentioning
Haha, I was just considering this and things like it when trying to finalize the wincons. If it comes down to 2 Mimes, 2 Mafia, the rules as written right now end the game in a Mafia win I think. I'm actually okay with this (also, I'm curious how the heck this would happen, that sounds like it would be hilarious to watch). The Mimes primary win condition as I see it is being lynched, when they are tied with Mafia, the Mafia have guns.
On the other hand, I mean, it's so edge-casey as to be absurd, but I think that maybe should be a tie? I mean Mimes avoided all the NKs and Mafia killed all the town. I don't know what the heck town were doing in this hypothetical game, but some kind of Super Ultimate Loss seems appropriate. I'll reword it to clear up the ambiguity, in favor of a tie I think.
(Nothing is really too edge-case. THIS IS F.DS!.)
EDIT: Okay, so now the game ends when the Mimes win, Mimes win when they can force the win, Mafia wins when they can force the win. Technically the Mimes and Mafia can win together, although I would be shocked if this ever actually happens.
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You can give my spot to someone. I don't think the setup as written is quite there yet.
Specifically, it's still too hard for the mimes to have a chance.
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You can give my spot to someone. I don't think the setup as written is quite there yet.
Specifically, it's still too hard for the mimes to have a chance.
Will do.
I actually like your idea about the die-by-the-same-method wincon for the Mimes, but it added a ton of endgame edgecases and got away from the spirit of what I felt was the point of the Mimes. I do think we should try something like that sometime.
What did you think of the Mimes as Doctor + JK idea? Makes the JK Mime almost invincible until the one of them is lynched.
You want the speccy?
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/in
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/in if someone /outs, otherwise /tag for a speccy
This
Edge case for victory conditions: If it's reduced to just Mafia and Mimes (plus a few other similar cases), especially 2 Mimes, 2 Mafia, AND there already was a nolynch last night, the Mimes can force a NL, giving them the victory. However, the Mafia win con stops the game once they control half of town.
I believe that the Mafia wincon should be along the lines of "Mafia controls all of town or nothing can prevent this from happening"
This was a bit far out, but I felt it was worth mentioning
Actually this bothered me too, but I forgot to point it out.
/in if someone /outs, otherwise /tag for a speccy
This
Edge case for victory conditions: If it's reduced to just Mafia and Mimes (plus a few other similar cases), especially 2 Mimes, 2 Mafia, AND there already was a nolynch last night, the Mimes can force a NL, giving them the victory. However, the Mafia win con stops the game once they control half of town.
I believe that the Mafia wincon should be along the lines of "Mafia controls all of town or nothing can prevent this from happening"
This was a bit far out, but I felt it was worth mentioning
Haha, I was just considering this and things like it when trying to finalize the wincons. If it comes down to 2 Mimes, 2 Mafia, the rules as written right now end the game in a Mafia win I think. I'm actually okay with this (also, I'm curious how the heck this would happen, that sounds like it would be hilarious to watch). The Mimes primary win condition as I see it is being lynched, when they are tied with Mafia, the Mafia have guns.
On the other hand, I mean, it's so edge-casey as to be absurd, but I think that maybe should be a tie? I mean Mimes avoided all the NKs and Mafia killed all the town. I don't know what the heck town were doing in this hypothetical game, but some kind of Super Ultimate Loss seems appropriate. I'll reword it to clear up the ambiguity, in favor of a tie I think.
(Nothing is really too edge-case. THIS IS F.DS!.)
EDIT: Okay, so now the game ends when the Mimes win, Mimes win when they can force the win, Mafia wins when they can force the win. Technically the Mimes and Mafia can win together, although I would be shocked if this ever actually happens.
This doesn't really feel right to me. I've always thought of the mafia win con as being shorthand for "when all remaining players are mafia-aligned", and the more than half thing was because it's usually the same. In fact it has always bothered me when people phrase the win con that way when they could just say "when all remaining players are mafia". It usually matters in multi-ball and then people get confused because they're used to seeing it as more than half.
Anyway, I think having mafia win only when all remaining players are mafia (or nothing can prevent that from happening) is the most intuitive solution.
Is there any particular reason why the VT PM is in French (or maybe some other non-English language)?
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I think because it is set in Paris.
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You can give my spot to someone. I don't think the setup as written is quite there yet.
Specifically, it's still too hard for the mimes to have a chance.
Will do.
I actually like your idea about the die-by-the-same-method wincon for the Mimes, but it added a ton of endgame edgecases and got away from the spirit of what I felt was the point of the Mimes. I do think we should try something like that sometime.
What did you think of the Mimes as Doctor + JK idea? Makes the JK Mime almost invincible until the one of them is lynched.
You want the speccy?
I'll definitely spectate, can help co-mod if needed.
I don't like finding creative ways to power up the mimes to make up for a flaw that isn't related to powers.
Mimes are a jester team, basically, but treated like lovers. It's the auto-suicide thing I really don't like. Changing the wincon to be matching deaths made sense to me. So, instead of being lover-jesters, they becomes something more unique.
I mean, getting NKed is much harder than being lynched anyway. I guess you could have town cvigs get gunshy if one of the mimes dies, but that's okay, I think.
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Because it's funny, and everyone knows what a VT does, so there's no real rules ambiguity to be covered there.
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Okay, Mafia have to kill everyone, Mimes win the 2 Mime, 2 Mafia, 1 No-Lynch standoff.
I don't even think that's really a boost for Mimes, but I'm fine with it. Now I dare you guys to achieve that gamestate.
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Ash, I'll definitely take you up on the co-mod thing if we're having any ambiguity or trouble or Scott gets too busy.
Would you mind if I just PM you if I have a question at first though? I want to
a) Try to do as well as I can without deferring to you too much, which I suspect would be my temptation
b) Want to see what your opinions are in the Speccy, honestly. Without knowing everyone's alignment. I mean, that's not such a big deal but I just am curious and I know you like to talk about that stuff.
Thinking it'll be a spoilers allowed one like for Mistborn.
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/out damn spot
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Ash, I'll definitely take you up on the co-mod thing if we're having any ambiguity or trouble or Scott gets too busy.
Would you mind if I just PM you if I have a question at first though? I want to
a) Try to do as well as I can without deferring to you too much, which I suspect would be my temptation
b) Want to see what your opinions are in the Speccy, honestly. Without knowing everyone's alignment. I mean, that's not such a big deal but I just am curious and I know you like to talk about that stuff.
Thinking it'll be a spoilers allowed one like for Mistborn.
No problem.
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/tag
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If there's an open spot, count me /in.
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Waiting to find out my availability for the next few weeks- it's possible I might be working away from home 3-4 days a week starting in a couple of weeks, in which case I'll have to /out. If that isn't the case, I'll definitely be /in. Should have a better idea in 2-3 days.
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Waiting to find out my availability for the next few weeks- it's possible I might be working away from home 3-4 days a week starting in a couple of weeks, in which case I'll have to /out. If that isn't the case, I'll definitely be /in. Should have a better idea in 2-3 days.
No rush, the game won't start in the next 2 days, your spot is reserved until you officially /out. If you or someone else does it goes to Seprix.
I'll run the game with 1 less VT if we can only get 12 and it's been a while, I'm going to PM people about this thread later today (not including people who've responded obviously.)
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I didn't realize this game was a smaller game, could I go on the waitlist?
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/in
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I didn't realize this game was a smaller game, could I go on the waitlist?
Absolutely.
I pretty much assumed Axxle and Ash would not be into this, but I thought they deserved the right to refuse their spots anyway. So I was thrilled that Awaclus and Volt wanted to be in. Having you and Seprix on the waitlist is wonderful because it means the game will fill quickly, and it puts less pressure on anyone who was /in on the other game but doesn't like something about this setup.
I really prefer the smaller games too.
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I will /in if there is or becomes room.
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/in if its not filled yet.
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/in
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I'm offended that I'm not going to be able to play in this because it's super-full.
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Confirm /in
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/in if its not filled yet.
Your spot was reserved because you were /in previously. So yeah, you're in and now confirmed.
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Only 4 players left unconfirmed: chairs, Hydrad, Joseph, and Hockey
Seprix, Sudgy, Witherweaver, and maybe Teproc? are waitlisted in that order.
Joe knows about this thread and wasn't going to decide until tomorrow or so I think, I PMed chairs and Hockey in that mass PM, and Hydrad PMed me back right before he left.
If we're starting before Hydrad gets back from V/LA by more than a day or so, I'm going to give Hydrad's slot to someone else. If chairs and Hockey don't get back to me tomorrow, I'm going to open their slots up. And Joe, no real rush, make up your mind when you know what you need to know.
Anyway, the point is, I think it's reasonably likely that at least one slot will open up, but no chance that more than 4 will, so if you want me to count that as a waitlist, Teproc, there's no point in additional people asking.
Given the interest, I'm thinking we should try this setup again after this game (possibly with some more rebalances depending on this game.)
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/tag
Don't have time to play, but still want to see how this setup works out.
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/in
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Yeah, I'd like to be in the waitlist, you never know.
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/out (if I was even in)
but keep me tagged for the speccy!
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/out (if I was even in)
but keep me tagged for the speccy!
Looks like I get to play!
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/out (if I was even in)
but keep me tagged for the speccy!
You were in because Ash and Axxle /outed. I've been updating the OP daily, so if I've posted on site relatively recently, you can trust that it's up to day. Speccy it is, Seprix is in.
In other news, since I think Hydrad is supposed to be back from his V/LA on Wednesday, I'm inclined to just wait for him to start. If he wants to /out at that time, that's fine. I'll probably start setting up the QTs tomorrow or something though, if people don't mind me rolling for the slot before we know if it's going to be Hydrad or someone else.
Hockey hasn't posted on site in 10 days and hasn't gotten back to me, so I'm giving his slot to Sudgy.
WW and Teproc are now the only ones in the waitlist, in that order. Hydrad and Joe yet to confirm.
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I mean, I don't know why anyone would care when I roll, I just have it in my head that there's something formal about having the players in the list instead of numbers I guess.
That's stupid, so whatever, I'm rolling the setup tonight or tomorrow and setting up the QTs.
And finalizing whatever exact flavor I'm going to use.
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I'd say start the game and replace hydrad if he doesn't want to play.
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But I'm not in the game so my opinion shouldn't hold much weight
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Hydrad is VLA.
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Hydrad is VLA.
Until the 19th, which is why I was debating this.
Axxle, your opinion still matters to me. You're both experienced, and bothering to read my rambling indecisiveness in here.
Okay, so I think I'll press ahead on setup, and if it's okay with you guys I'll hold off on sending WW and Teproc the Speccy link until I hear back from Hydrad and Joe and I'll just start the game when I get to it. Probably tomorrow afternoon.
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N0 will last from when PMs are sent out (probably tomorrow) to when 11/13 players confirm. I won't put up with any deliberate non-confirming from scum to drag things out, but I really doubt that'd be a problem. You guys are all better than that.
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Hydrad is VLA.
Until the 19th, which is why I was debating this.
Axxle, your opinion still matters to me. You're both experienced, and bothering to read my rambling indecisiveness in here.
Okay, so I think I'll press ahead on setup, and if it's okay with you guys I'll hold off on sending WW and Teproc the Speccy link until I hear back from Hydrad and Joe and I'll just start the game when I get to it. Probably tomorrow afternoon.
Sounds good, I'll try to in or out before then.
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Hydrad is VLA.
Until the 19th, which is why I was debating this.
Axxle, your opinion still matters to me. You're both experienced, and bothering to read my rambling indecisiveness in here.
Okay, so I think I'll press ahead on setup, and if it's okay with you guys I'll hold off on sending WW and Teproc the Speccy link until I hear back from Hydrad and Joe and I'll just start the game when I get to it. Probably tomorrow afternoon.
Sounds good, I'll try to in or out before then.
Thanks. Don't mean to pressure you, but anxious to get going soonish.
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Hydrad is VLA.
Until the 19th, which is why I was debating this.
Axxle, your opinion still matters to me. You're both experienced, and bothering to read my rambling indecisiveness in here.
Okay, so I think I'll press ahead on setup, and if it's okay with you guys I'll hold off on sending WW and Teproc the Speccy link until I hear back from Hydrad and Joe and I'll just start the game when I get to it. Probably tomorrow afternoon.
Sounds good, I'll try to in or out before then.
Thanks. Don't mean to pressure you, but anxious to get going soonish.
Not your fault that I'm in a job where I don't know what part of the UK I'll be in in 2 weeks time. Got a meeting tomorrow morning, so hopefully I'll know more then, if not I'll probably just out, since that's preferable to being V/LA or unable to contribute properly to the game.
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/Out
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Put me in coach!
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Put me in coach!
are you ready to play?
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Today!
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Should be a couple hours and PMs will go out, sorry today's been busy too.
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All Role PMs should be out. Please confirm in your personal or team QT. If you have not received a PM, please PM me.
THREAD LOCKED
(except for /tags)
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Oh, and it's officially Night 0, you may post in factional QTs if you have them.
I'll keep an updated count of confirmations here, but N0 will last at least until tomorrow afternoon if you guys somehow confirm really fast.
a) I don't have the opening flavor written yet
b) Teams need time to chat a bit
c) I won't be on in the morning probably anyway.
11/13 confirmed.
So that's a quorum, but as I said, I'm going to let N0 continue until this afternoon. I'm thinking 3-5ish forum time, but could be as late as 7 PM. Game will start by then at the latest though.
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Shakespeare and Company Bookstore, 12 rue de l'Odéon, Paris
A few light taps upon the pane made Sylvia Beach turn to the window. It had begun to snow again. She watched sleepily the flakes, silver and dark, falling obliquely against the lamplight. It was falling, too, upon every part of the lonely churchyard on the hill where James Joyce lay buried.
Only last week the crates containing the first printing of Ulysses had arrived. Joyce's book had been banned in America and Britain so Sylvia had dipped into her savings and dipped her toe into the publishing business. When the books came in, she had Ford Madox Ford gather the writers of the Left Bank for a celebration. Pascin brought as many bottles of wine as he could carry and Gertrude Stein and Hilaire Belloc organized a reading of passages from the new book, followed by readings from everyone else's books.
Several bottles of wine and pernod later things took a turn for the disastrous. Zelda Fitzgerald was bored with the poetry and so focussed all her attention on the wine and before long she and Scott took up their usual dance of quarrel and reconciliation. Hemingway drunkenly attempted to instruct Ezra Pound in boxing, then Loeb challenged him to a match to prove who was the superior teacher, which soon enough became a fight over Lady Twysden. Wyndham Lewis took bets on the match and egged them both on. Worst of all, Dos Passos started an argument about politics.
The next morning, Joyce was found floating face down in the Seine, surrounded by ruined copies of Ulysses, his heart pierced by the poison sting of a ray and a bullet through his good eye.
Sylvia turned from the window and addressed the guests, reassembled at the bookshop.
"Today we find the killers, I'm sure they are among us. We clear away the cobwebs and think back to what happened that night. Perhaps James' last words will help. She passed around a scrap of paper, torn from a copy of Ulysses with sloppy cursive scrawled over the printed text.
Beware of the flapper and bogus mournful. Lily of the alley. All possess bachelor's button discovered by Rualdus Columbus. Tumble her. Columble her. Chameleon. Well then, permit me to draw your attention to item number three. There is plenty of him visible to the naked eye. Observe the mass of oxygenated vegetable matter on his skull. What ho, he bumps! The ugly duckling of the party, longcasted and deep in keel. The mimes walk against the wind of justice but would not stoop to murder. There's always some bloody clown or other kicking up a bloody murder about bloody nothing.
Day 1 Starts
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Vote Count 1.0
“I mistrust all frank and simple people, especially when their stories hold together” ― Ernest Hemingway, The Sun Also Rises
Not Voting (13): gkrieg13, EgorK, chairs, QuickSync, XerxesPraelor, silverspawn, (Hydrad), Witherweaver, Ghacob, faust, Sudgy, Awaclus, Seprix
Hydrad and Ghacob have still not confirmed. If I don't hear from them in 48 hours they will be force-replaced.
With 13 alive, it takes 7 to lynch, 7 to no-lynch.
Day 1 ends August 27, 6 PM Forum Time.
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FIRST FIRST FIRST vote: QuickSync
I have a very strong scum read on you at the moment, mostly based on excessive-active lurking. That's a very common newb!scum tell.
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Awaclus is in this game?
Vote: Awaclus
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Don't be too sad about being found out so quickly though, it happens.
You could speed up the game by telling us who your scum partners are.
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I'm a vanilla townie, sadly. This is like the only game I'm disappointed to be town in, but I was looking forward to possibly being a mime.
I think I'll hold off on voting for now. So far silverspawn strikes me as Mime, and witherweaver as town.
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After all, getting lynched as scum is my greatest skill. (see all past scum!me games)
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vote: ww
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I'm a vanilla townie, sadly.
Vote: silverspawn because of Futuramafia
Now that that's out of the way, vote: XP
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sweet! a VT claim.
My highly developed analytical skills with mimes tell me that this is either a mime trying to get lynched or a townie trying to pretend like he is a mime trying to get lynched.
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You can also read XP's post as: "I am a mime. I want to get lynched."
Sadly, this makes sense for all 3 alignments. It's really WIFOM.
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It's kind of like BBB's gambit (http://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=BBB%27s_Gambit) from the wiki.
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I am a mime and I want to get lynched.
::)
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I take back the VT claim - it was just a typo.
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I am a mime and I want to get lynched.
::)
sure!
vote: chairs
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sweet! a VT claim.
My highly developed analytical skills with mimes tell me that this is either a mime trying to get lynched or a townie trying to pretend like he is a mime trying to get lynched.
Sadly, neither of those is true. I wasn't trying to VT claim at all, so I didn't think about this.
PPE: vote: chairs Scummiest person so far.
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sweet! a VT claim.
My highly developed analytical skills with mimes tell me that this is either a mime trying to get lynched or a townie trying to pretend like he is a mime trying to get lynched.
Sadly, neither of those is true. I wasn't trying to VT claim at all, so I didn't think about this.
PPE: vote: chairs Scummiest person so far.
so you claim to be town? and you accidently confused 'vanilla townie' with 'town' ?
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I'm a vanilla scum mime.
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sweet! a VT claim.
My highly developed analytical skills with mimes tell me that this is either a mime trying to get lynched or a townie trying to pretend like he is a mime trying to get lynched.
Sadly, neither of those is true. I wasn't trying to VT claim at all, so I didn't think about this.
PPE: vote: chairs Scummiest person so far.
so you claim to be town? and you accidently confused 'vanilla townie' with 'town' ?
Yes. I think my general feeling of boringness just made me say vanilla townie and not town, because not being mime/scum feels "vanilla" regardless of PR.
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vote: ww
I didn't notice this - you gotta talk more in RVS, otherwise it's hard for me to read you.
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Yes. I think my general feeling of boringness just made me say vanilla townie and not town, because not being mime/scum feels "vanilla" regardless of PR.
So you're claiming PR now?
For the record, my vote on XP is a serious one. I'm voting for him because he's my mime partner.
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sweet! a VT claim.
My highly developed analytical skills with mimes tell me that this is either a mime trying to get lynched or a townie trying to pretend like he is a mime trying to get lynched.
Sadly, neither of those is true. I wasn't trying to VT claim at all, so I didn't think about this.
PPE: vote: chairs Scummiest person so far.
so you claim to be town? and you accidently confused 'vanilla townie' with 'town' ?
Yes. I think my general feeling of boringness just made me say vanilla townie and not town, because not being mime/scum feels "vanilla" regardless of PR.
So you're saying you were just focused on fake claiming town?
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Yes. I think my general feeling of boringness just made me say vanilla townie and not town, because not being mime/scum feels "vanilla" regardless of PR.
So you're claiming PR now?
No - I'm adamantly refusing to claim PR/non-PR.
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sweet! a VT claim.
My highly developed analytical skills with mimes tell me that this is either a mime trying to get lynched or a townie trying to pretend like he is a mime trying to get lynched.
Sadly, neither of those is true. I wasn't trying to VT claim at all, so I didn't think about this.
PPE: vote: chairs Scummiest person so far.
so you claim to be town? and you accidently confused 'vanilla townie' with 'town' ?
Yes. I think my general feeling of boringness just made me say vanilla townie and not town, because not being mime/scum feels "vanilla" regardless of PR.
So you're saying you were just focused on fake claiming town?
If you strike "fake", yes.
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Yes. I think my general feeling of boringness just made me say vanilla townie and not town, because not being mime/scum feels "vanilla" regardless of PR.
For the record, my vote on XP is a serious one.
Before this post, I thought your vote was serious. Now I don't think it was.
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I'm here, don't worry!
Some forced/unexpected V/LA nonsense happened/is happening, but should be over by the end of the week/earlier than that maybe?
...Something about that vote count doesn't look right..
vote: (Hydrad)
PPE: 4
vote: XP
PPE: 3
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Also, I have a habit of claiming early when town, so despite the fact I know that, you should give me town credit for it.
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Day1 is both my favorite (because you don't have to be very reasonable) and my least favorite (because you can't be very reasonable).
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So of our "mimes" I currently find Awaclus the mimiest
I got two of these down I think, maybe someone can help with the third
What's the scum motive for claiming mime? WIFOM
What's the mime motive for claiming mime? WIFOM
What's the town motive for claiming mime?
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None, but it's funny, which is why ww did.
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I got two of these down I think, maybe someone can help with the third
What's the scum motive for claiming mime? WIFOM
What's the mime motive for claiming mime? WIFOM
What's the town motive for claiming mime?
WIFOM.
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None, but it's funny, which is why ww did.
How do you know that WW is town?
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I take back the silverspawn mime read, and replace it with null. Ghacob is obv!town, awalcus is a mime.
I want to hear more from all the (upon extrapolation) lurkers.
PPE: gutread
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gkrieg is here, he ought be more active
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Ghacob is obv!town
vote: XP for buddying
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Ghacob is obv!town
vote: XP for buddying
You were already voting me, no need to vote again.
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I'm a vanilla townie, sadly. This is like the only game I'm disappointed to be town in, but I was looking forward to possibly being a mime.
I think I'll hold off on voting for now. So far silverspawn strikes me as Mime, and witherweaver as town.
Vote: XP as a Mime. I know he "explained" himself, but I still think he's a Mime.
Also, Vote: silverspawn for reasons so obvious I don't even need to be bothered mentioning them.
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And I wasn't buddying, just giving reads. Do you really think I'd think buddying would work on you anyway?
PPE: what?
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Vote: XP as a Mime. I know he "explained" himself, but I still think he's a Mime.
The evil plan to get me night-killed.
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And if you think I'm a mime because of my over-activity, look at my other games. Day1 just needs to have something to kick it off to a start, and this sort of thing is the easiest (though something would work better if I could find it, because over the long-run this turns into WIFOM).
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♫Lurkers stop lurking, lurkers stop lurking, lurkers stop lurkinggg♪
Lurkers: Aww mannnn...
And I wasn't buddying, just giving reads.
vote: XP for not getting the joke
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I believe there are at least 5 other games I've played where as town I've semi-claimed or claimed my role if I wanted to help out the game to start. I don't do it all the time, or else it would just wear out quicker, but you ought to be able to find examples.
PPE: I still don't get the joke. Mind explaining? It'll make it funnier.
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This looks like it'll be relatively easy for town. We have 13 people, and only 2 of them are mafia. Really, we just need two correct lynches to win.
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vote: sudgy
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Realtalk, if you think anybody is claiming mime seriously in RVS, you need to consider taking pills to lighten your mood.
Not saying you can't "fakeclaim" mime and be a mime in RVS, but everybody knows we're all scumimown during RVS :D
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vote: ww
I didn't notice this - you gotta talk more in RVS, otherwise it's hard for me to read you.
Mistborn
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Realtalk, if you think anybody is claiming mime seriously in RVS, you need to consider taking pills to lighten your mood.
Not saying you can't "fakeclaim" mime and be a mime in RVS, but everybody knows we're all scumimown during RVS :D
You can't trick me, Mr. Mime.
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And if you think I'm a mime because of my over-activity, look at my other games. Day1 just needs to have something to kick it off to a start, and this sort of thing is the easiest (though something would work better if I could find it, because over the long-run this turns into WIFOM).
It's not the over-activity, it's the content. I feel like you're the most mime-iest person here. I'm just trying to say, "Hey, let's not lynch XP! Look elsewhere!"
...but now we're just talking about you. We need to look elsewhere.
This looks like it'll be relatively easy for town. We have 13 people, and only 2 of them are mafia. Really, we just need two correct lynches to win.
I don't think it's that easy. While yes, we do only need two correct lynches, we also can't make two certain incorrect lynches. I think this will be harder than it seems.
The problem is, I don't really have any scum reads yet...
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(http://cdn.bulbagarden.net/upload/thumb/e/ec/122Mr._Mime.png/250px-122Mr._Mime.png)
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This game looks hella fun.
vote: XP
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vote: Seprix.
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Vote Count 1.1:
Awaclus (1): Witherweaver
Witherweaver (1): gkrieg13
XerxesPraelor (3): Awaclus, Ghacob, Seprix
chairs (1): XerxesPraelor
silverspawn (1): sudgy
sudgy (1): silverspawn
Seprix (1): chairs
Not Voting (4): EgorK, QuickSync, (Hydrad), faust
With 13 alive, it takes 7 to lynch.
Day 1 will end at 6:00 p.m. on August 27, 2015.
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Lets see where this XP wagon goes:
Vote: XP
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How long are days here?
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A week, thanks for asking.
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That's funny Silverspawn, I thought you were one of my scum buddies.
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Please, don't vote XP. I don't think he's the mafia.
Vote: QuickSync for voting for the mime.
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Ok, the XP wagon is so 5 hours ago. I don't want to lynch him today.
Unvote XP
Vote: Witherweaver
He's just too sus not to vote him at this time. The serious questions are a bit too serious for this early in the game.
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Please, don't vote XP. I don't think he's the mafia.
Vote: QuickSync for voting for the mime.
You ninja'd me
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Lets see where this XP wagon goes:
Vote: XP
???
Ok, the XP wagon is so 5 hours ago. I don't want to lynch him today.
????
vote: QuickSync
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Lets see where this XP wagon goes:
Vote: XP
???
Ok, the XP wagon is so 5 hours ago. I don't want to lynch him today.
????
vote: QuickSync
I reread the thread and came to the conclusion that the XP wagon was crappy.
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Based on what?
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@Seprix,
Why didn't you say anything about my current vote. you decided to ignore that altogether.
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@Seprix,
Why didn't you say anything about my current vote. you decided to ignore that altogether.
I think your vote is bad, because it's never too early to get serious in a Mafia game. You don't have to vote random in D1.
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Incidentally, what is your experience in Forum Mafia?
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Based on what?
That XP is almost acting too scummy to be scum (yes its a real thing and I'm not making it up). People were very quick to vote for XP without providing much valid reasoning and that's why its a crappy wagon.
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@Seprix,
Why didn't you say anything about my current vote. you decided to ignore that altogether.
I think your vote is bad, because it's never too early to get serious in a Mafia game. You don't have to vote random in D1.
My current vote is serious :-\
I've played about 17 games give or take 1.
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WW hasn't really posted anything of note so far, to be honest. He's not really looking for scum in his 3 posts, mainly joking around. But so is most everyone else, so I don't think it's condemning.
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I've [strike]played[/strike] completed about 17 games give or take 1.
EBWOP
WW hasn't really posted anything of note so far, to be honest. He's not really looking for scum in his 3 posts, mainly joking around. But so is most everyone else, so I don't think it's condemning.
So you tell me to vote seriously and when I say I have you come back with that everyone's just messing around???
FoS Seprix
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Having an opinion on a matter does not change the reality of the situation.
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Having an opinion on a matter does not change the reality of the situation.
What are you even trying to say here?
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Yeah, that is a bit vague. I thought it made perfect sense.
The statement 'It's never too early to play seriously' is an opinion. It's a fact that so far, people have been joking around, as with most all Mafia games.
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WW is probably a decent place to start as any, to be fair. Anything to push more activity from players.
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Yeah, that is a bit vague. I thought it made perfect sense.
The statement 'It's never too early to play seriously' is an opinion. It's a fact that so far, people have been joking around, as with most all Mafia games.
Well I've caught scum with my first post, so there's that. What I'm trying to say is that even when people are joking around you can still catch scum.
What makes you think WW was not being serious?
What makes you think he was not trying to catch scum?
If he's not trying to catch scum and he's not being serious, why didn't you question me about my vote on him without me bringing it up first?
Why do you say no one is being serious but still think that I should have a serious vote?
What makes you think it is a fact that no one is taking this game serious so far? Do you know what everyone is thinking? Don't state "facts" so loosely that cannot be proven one way or another; that is just sloppy.
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I'm a vanilla scum mime.
I am a mime and I want to get lynched.
::)
Awaclus is in this game?
Vote: Awaclus
Day1 is both my favorite (because you don't have to be very reasonable) and my least favorite (because you can't be very reasonable).
These don't look very serious to me. The fun clowning around was wrapping up though, and when it did, WW wasn't around to comment, except question one bit in regards to XP's PR fiasco (which may be worth further investigating, which was why the votes were coming in the first place). He hasn't talked since, and I can't accuse him of being lurky as he may have been busy plus the fact that it hasn't been a long time since this game opened up. That was my reasoning as to why I do not think his case is condemning, yet.
Most of this game has been either jokes, comments about past games, possible metas, or appreciation about mimes. There have been few actual reads this game so far, but that's to be expected this early in the game. I don't think I have said anything wrong when I stated that 'people aren't currently playing seriously'. I don't know what people are thinking, but I do know what other people are typing, and until the last page or so, I haven't seen too much serious discussion. Do I have to question you about everything? I have my reasons for not addressing it.
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*It being the serious vote on WW you threw out and my lack of addressing it thereof.
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sweet! a VT claim.
My highly developed analytical skills with mimes tell me that this is either a mime trying to get lynched or a townie trying to pretend like he is a mime trying to get lynched.
Sadly, neither of those is true. I wasn't trying to VT claim at all, so I didn't think about this.
PPE: vote: chairs Scummiest person so far.
so you claim to be town? and you accidently confused 'vanilla townie' with 'town' ?
Yes. I think my general feeling of boringness just made me say vanilla townie and not town, because not being mime/scum feels "vanilla" regardless of PR.
So you're saying you were just focused on fake claiming town?
This is the reason I am voting WW
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I don't see anything wrong in what WW is saying. XP saying 'Vanilla Townie' instead of 'Town' is a bit odd. It almost seems like a *cough* fake townslip *cough* but it's so poorly done that I don't know.
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I don't see anything wrong in what WW is saying. XP saying 'Vanilla Townie' instead of 'Town' is a bit odd. It almost seems like a *cough* fake townslip *cough* but it's so poorly done that I don't know.
Yeah, just a bit too obvious, right? Like almost like he is joking?
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No way XP was joking. He either screwed up big time or he planned it.
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No way XP was joking. He either screwed up big time or he planned it.
:o What makes you say that exactly?
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Maybe I'm missing something. Hold on, let me reread.
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Don't be too sad about being found out so quickly though, it happens.
You could speed up the game by telling us who your scum partners are.
I know now that there is no one thing that is true - it is all true.
Fake townslip! There is no such thing as scum "partners". Vote: silver
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I'm a vanilla townie, sadly. This is like the only game I'm disappointed to be town in, but I was looking forward to possibly being a mime.
I think I'll hold off on voting for now. So far silverspawn strikes me as Mime, and witherweaver as town.
A man's got to take a lot of punishment to write a really funny book.
Vote: Xerxes
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I'm a vanilla townie, sadly. This is like the only game I'm disappointed to be town in, but I was looking forward to possibly being a mime.
I think I'll hold off on voting for now. So far silverspawn strikes me as Mime, and witherweaver as town.
This doesn't look like a joke to me! I'm pretty sure I'm right. In fact, this makes XP look kind of bad, worse than I thought. I'll do a bit more thinking tomorrow. I'm going to bed, it's very very late.
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Also, I have a habit of claiming early when town, so despite the fact I know that, you should give me town credit for it.
An intelligent man is sometimes forced to be drunk to spend time with his fools.
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And if you think I'm a mime because of my over-activity, look at my other games. Day1 just needs to have something to kick it off to a start, and this sort of thing is the easiest (though something would work better if I could find it, because over the long-run this turns into WIFOM).
Never mistake motion for action.
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I'm a vanilla scum mime.
I am a mime and I want to get lynched.
::)
Awaclus is in this game?
Vote: Awaclus
Day1 is both my favorite (because you don't have to be very reasonable) and my least favorite (because you can't be very reasonable).
These don't look very serious to me. The fun clowning around was wrapping up though, and when it did, WW wasn't around to comment, except question one bit in regards to XP's PR fiasco (which may be worth further investigating, which was why the votes were coming in the first place). He hasn't talked since, and I can't accuse him of being lurky as he may have been busy plus the fact that it hasn't been a long time since this game opened up. That was my reasoning as to why I do not think his case is condemning, yet.
Most of this game has been either jokes, comments about past games, possible metas, or appreciation about mimes. There have been few actual reads this game so far, but that's to be expected this early in the game. I don't think I have said anything wrong when I stated that 'people aren't currently playing seriously'. I don't know what people are thinking, but I do know what other people are typing, and until the last page or so, I haven't seen too much serious discussion. Do I have to question you about everything? I have my reasons for not addressing it.
I have been playing seriously since post #1.
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Ok, the XP wagon is so 5 hours ago. I don't want to lynch him today.
Unvote XP
Vote: Witherweaver
He's just too sus not to vote him at this time. The serious questions are a bit too serious for this early in the game.
You can wipe out your opponents. But if you do it unjustly you become eligible for being wiped out yourself.
Vote: Quicksync
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@seprix, you never answered my questions. Another reason for the FoS.
Also, even though XP may or may not be joking, if he was not joking he is pulling something which is another reason we need him alive for a few more days. IMO either he is Mime trying to get lynched or Town playing all tricky like.
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Ok, the XP wagon is so 5 hours ago. I don't want to lynch him today.
Unvote XP
Vote: Witherweaver
He's just too sus not to vote him at this time. The serious questions are a bit too serious for this early in the game.
You can wipe out your opponents. But if you do it unjustly you become eligible for being wiped out yourself.
Vote: Quicksync
Careful with that whole unjustly thing, you've changed your vote how many times within like a half hour?
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Ok, the XP wagon is so 5 hours ago. I don't want to lynch him today.
Unvote XP
Vote: Witherweaver
He's just too sus not to vote him at this time. The serious questions are a bit too serious for this early in the game.
You can wipe out your opponents. But if you do it unjustly you become eligible for being wiped out yourself.
Vote: Quicksync
Careful with that whole unjustly thing, you've changed your vote how many times within like a half hour?
We are all apprentices in a craft where no one ever becomes a master.
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faust is the scum. vote: faust
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faust is the scum. vote: faust
The only thing that could spoil a day was people. People were always the limiters of happiness except for the very few that were as good as spring itself.
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vote: QuikSync
Finally someone scummy.
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faust is the scum. vote: faust
The only thing that could spoil a day was people. People were always the limiters of happiness except for the very few that were as good as spring itself.
Limiters of happiness are pretty useful when you want to make the smaller happiness bigger without distorting the happiness that's already pretty big.
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And if you think I'm a mime because of my over-activity, look at my other games. Day1 just needs to have something to kick it off to a start, and this sort of thing is the easiest (though something would work better if I could find it, because over the long-run this turns into WIFOM).
Never mistake motion for action.
I am almost the only person who has given a read on anyone but me. People have gotten reads on others based on their position on my wagon. When one agrees with the outcome, the methods should not be disputed.
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I'm really sorry about the mistake. Maybe we can talk about Quiksync instead, or Faust, or Awaclus?
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Specifically, Awaclus is lying about being serious, and Faust is using a cool gimmick similar to something I remember.
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Specifically, Awaclus is lying about being serious, and Faust is using a cool gimmick similar to something I remember.
I'm not lying, I'm just trying to perfectly emulate my mime meta.
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Early wagons are always on town, so I'm an IC now.
Pointing out that I haven't been serious is a little bit of a stretch given that I've made about three posts that were around an hour after thread opening.
Is Faust flavor claiming?
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We should all be voting Awaclus
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vote: QuikSync
Finally someone scummy.
I think this is where I tell you I always look scummy.
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Unvote: WW
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I'm really sorry about the mistake. Maybe we can talk about Quiksync instead, or Faust, or Awaclus?
Its a capital S, get it right! (totally joking btw)
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I'm really sorry about the mistake. Maybe we can talk about Quiksync instead, or Faust, or Awaclus?
Its a capital S, get it right! (totally joking btw)
See its a joke because I tend to make a lot of inherent contradictions when I am just trying to argue inconsistently :P
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Unvote: WW
Unvoting is scummy!
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Unvote: WW
Unvoting is scummy!
Sorry, forgive me. I have no idea what the meta on this site is :P
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Apologizing is scummy!
So if I'm not scum who is?
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vote: QuikSync
Finally someone scummy.
I think this is where I tell you I always look scummy.
Self-meta-awareness is scummy!
Ha, this is easy.
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Apologizing is scummy!
So if I'm not scum who is?
IDK, which is why I chose not to place a vote.
I felt were were [somewhat] past RVS so I'm waiting for someone to actually look scummy before I place a pointless vote. This has the added benefit of adding tangible pressure with my vote. (subject to change)
vote: QuikSync
Finally someone scummy.
I think this is where I tell you I always look scummy.
Self-meta-awareness is scummy!
Ha, this is easy.
OK, so apparently I look extra scummy on this site as opposed to the normal degree of scumminess people would read me as on the other sites I have been on :-\
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Apologizing is scummy!
So if I'm not scum who is?
IDK, which is why I chose not to place a vote.
I felt were were [somewhat] past RVS so I'm waiting for someone to actually look scummy before I place a pointless vote. This has the added benefit of adding tangible pressure with my vote. (subject to change)
vote: QuikSync
Finally someone scummy.
I think this is where I tell you I always look scummy.
Self-meta-awareness is scummy!
Ha, this is easy.
OK, so apparently I look extra scummy on this site as opposed to the normal degree of scumminess people would read me as on the other sites I have been on :-\
Just vote Awaclus. You will feel good about yourself and your service to your country.
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Is there a way to ISO people on this site?
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ISO? I'm not familiar with that one.
Also, faust is mime.
vote: xp.
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@seprix, you never answered my questions. Another reason for the FoS.
Also, even though XP may or may not be joking, if he was not joking he is pulling something which is another reason we need him alive for a few more days. IMO either he is Mime trying to get lynched or Town playing all tricky like.
But you have so many questions........
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Early wagons are always on town, so I'm an IC now.
Pointing out that I haven't been serious is a little bit of a stretch given that I've made about three posts that were around an hour after thread opening.
Is Faust flavor claiming?
Well, it is silly. But you're NOT an IC.
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Faust is totally mime. He is trying to get lynched by being poetic. Maybe he's Joyce reborn or something, but I don't know. vote: XP
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le vote counte
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I don't buy that Faust is trying to get lynched.
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Is there a way to ISO people on this site?
Stop using words we don't understand!
~~Still V/LA~~
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Is there a way to ISO people on this site?
Stop using words we don't understand!
~~Still V/LA~~
What was the other one? ???
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Is there a way to ISO people on this site?
Stop using words we don't understand!
~~Still V/LA~~
What was the other one? ???
He wants to know if there's a way to read people's posts in isolation. Thanks, based Google!
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Is there a way to ISO people on this site?
Stop using words we don't understand!
~~Still V/LA~~
What was the other one? ???
He wants to know if there's a way to read people's posts in isolation. Thanks, based Google!
Yes. That. Its very useful to go through all of one persons posts in isolation for many different reasons.
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Isn't there the threat of reading people out of context and tunneling though?
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Isn't there the threat of reading people out of context and tunneling though?
It works trust me. Its really easy to make a case against someone doing this. Some things you can tell from ISOing some one is who and what they had interaction with as well as things like if they are scum hunting or not. Those would be the basics of it.
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ISO? I'm not familiar with that one.
Also, faust is mime.
vote: xp.
chairs was right half the time, and when he was wrong, he was so wrong you were never in any doubt about it.
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@seprix, you never answered my questions. Another reason for the FoS.
Also, even though XP may or may not be joking, if he was not joking he is pulling something which is another reason we need him alive for a few more days. IMO either he is Mime trying to get lynched or Town playing all tricky like.
But you have so many questions........
you're free to answer them any time.
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What did I not answer?
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What did I not answer?
The following:
Yeah, that is a bit vague. I thought it made perfect sense.
The statement 'It's never too early to play seriously' is an opinion. It's a fact that so far, people have been joking around, as with most all Mafia games.
Well I've caught scum with my first post, so there's that. What I'm trying to say is that even when people are joking around you can still catch scum.
What makes you think WW was not being serious?
What makes you think he was not trying to catch scum?
If he's not trying to catch scum and he's not being serious, why didn't you question me about my vote on him without me bringing it up first?
Why do you say no one is being serious but still think that I should have a serious vote?
What makes you think it is a fact that no one is taking this game serious so far? Do you know what everyone is thinking? Don't state "facts" so loosely that cannot be proven one way or another; that is just sloppy.
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What did I not answer?
The following:
Yeah, that is a bit vague. I thought it made perfect sense.
The statement 'It's never too early to play seriously' is an opinion. It's a fact that so far, people have been joking around, as with most all Mafia games.
Well I've caught scum with my first post, so there's that. What I'm trying to say is that even when people are joking around you can still catch scum.
What makes you think WW was not being serious?
What makes you think he was not trying to catch scum?
If he's not trying to catch scum and he's not being serious, why didn't you question me about my vote on him without me bringing it up first?
Why do you say no one is being serious but still think that I should have a serious vote?
What makes you think it is a fact that no one is taking this game serious so far? Do you know what everyone is thinking? Don't state "facts" so loosely that cannot be proven one way or another; that is just sloppy.
I answered most of those.
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What did I not answer?
The following:
Yeah, that is a bit vague. I thought it made perfect sense.
The statement 'It's never too early to play seriously' is an opinion. It's a fact that so far, people have been joking around, as with most all Mafia games.
Well I've caught scum with my first post, so there's that. What I'm trying to say is that even when people are joking around you can still catch scum.
What makes you think WW was not being serious?
What makes you think he was not trying to catch scum?
If he's not trying to catch scum and he's not being serious, why didn't you question me about my vote on him without me bringing it up first?
Why do you say no one is being serious but still think that I should have a serious vote?
What makes you think it is a fact that no one is taking this game serious so far? Do you know what everyone is thinking? Don't state "facts" so loosely that cannot be proven one way or another; that is just sloppy.
I answered most of those.
Ah.. could you quote where you answered them please.
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Isn't there the threat of reading people out of context and tunneling though?
It works trust me. Its really easy to make a case against someone doing this. Some things you can tell from ISOing some one is who and what they had interaction with as well as things like if they are scum hunting or not. Those would be the basics of it.
Many of us have an "isotropic username: [username]" or "goko username: [username]" that we've used in the past. You can look at the whole thread, then search "me: [username]" if they have it.
To all of the people who don't have an iso or goko username: could you please put it on?
Also, I still find QuickSync scummy for his XP vote and immediate unvote.
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Isn't there the threat of reading people out of context and tunneling though?
It works trust me. Its really easy to make a case against someone doing this. Some things you can tell from ISOing some one is who and what they had interaction with as well as things like if they are scum hunting or not. Those would be the basics of it.
Many of us have an "isotropic username: [username]" or "goko username: [username]" that we've used in the past. You can look at the whole thread, then search "me: [username]" if they have it.
To all of the people who don't have an iso or goko username: could you please put it on?
Also, I still find QuickSync scummy for his XP vote and immediate unvote.
what is ISO and goku names?
Why is what I did scummy tho?
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What makes you think WW was not being serious?
2/3 of his posts were not serious, his third was kind of an easy 1 sentence phrase to look towny while contributing little to discussion. I did not answer this question.
What makes you think he was not trying to catch scum?
The fun clowning around was wrapping up though, and when it did, WW wasn't around to comment, except question one bit in regards to XP's PR fiasco (which may be worth further investigating, which was why the votes were coming in the first place).
If he's not trying to catch scum and he's not being serious, why didn't you question me about my vote on him without me bringing it up first?
Why do you say no one is being serious but still think that I should have a serious vote?
What makes you think it is a fact that no one is taking this game serious so far? Do you know what everyone is thinking?
Most of this game has been either jokes, comments about past games, possible metas, or appreciation about mimes. There have been few actual reads this game so far, but that's to be expected this early in the game. I don't think I have said anything wrong when I stated that 'people aren't currently playing seriously'. I don't know what people are thinking, but I do know what other people are typing, and until the last page or so, I haven't seen too much serious discussion.
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Isn't there the threat of reading people out of context and tunneling though?
It works trust me. Its really easy to make a case against someone doing this. Some things you can tell from ISOing some one is who and what they had interaction with as well as things like if they are scum hunting or not. Those would be the basics of it.
Many of us have an "isotropic username: [username]" or "goko username: [username]" that we've used in the past. You can look at the whole thread, then search "me: [username]" if they have it.
To all of the people who don't have an iso or goko username: could you please put it on?
Also, I still find QuickSync scummy for his XP vote and immediate unvote.
what is ISO and goku names?
Why is what I did scummy tho?
Isotropic is where you used to be able to play Dominion online, and Goko is the place where you play it now (well, not really, now it's Making Fun). You can set them in your profile.
I think XP is a mime, and you unvoted him right after doing it, and I'm saying it looks like you realized the XP vote might have been scummy and unvoted.
But, thinking about it, scum shouldn't want to vote for the mimes either, so my argument just got invalidated... Unvote
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If he's not trying to catch scum and he's not being serious, why didn't you question me about my vote on him without me bringing it up first?
#EditingWoes
I have my reasons.
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faust is the scum. vote: faust
The only thing that could spoil a day was people. People were always the limiters of happiness except for the very few that were as good as spring itself.
I agree, but this particular day is quite fun so far.
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What makes you think WW was not being serious?
2/3 of his posts were not serious, his third was kind of an easy 1 sentence phrase to look towny while contributing little to discussion. I did not answer this question.
Implying that you have reduced this fraction is misleading. Also scummy.
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What makes you think WW was not being serious?
2/3 of his posts were not serious, his third was kind of an easy 1 sentence phrase to look towny while contributing little to discussion. I did not answer this question.
Implying that you have reduced this fraction is misleading. Also scummy.
I was talking about your first 3 posts.
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Yes, that's my point. Also my only three posts when this discussion began.
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Vote Count 1.2
“You see in such a world as this, an idealist — or perhaps it’s only a sentimentalist — must be stoned to death.” ― Ford Madox Ford, Parade's End
QuickSynch (3): Seprix, Faust, XP
XP (3): Awaclus, Ghacob, chairs
Witherweaver (1): gkrieg13
Faust (1): Silverspawn
Awaclus (1): Witherweaver
Not Voting (4): EgorK, Hydrad, QuickSync, Sudgy
With 13 alive, it takes 7 to lynch, 7 to no-lynch.
Day 1 ends August 27, 6 PM Forum Time.
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Isn't there the threat of reading people out of context and tunneling though?
It works trust me. Its really easy to make a case against someone doing this. Some things you can tell from ISOing some one is who and what they had interaction with as well as things like if they are scum hunting or not. Those would be the basics of it.
Many of us have an "isotropic username: [username]" or "goko username: [username]" that we've used in the past. You can look at the whole thread, then search "me: [username]" if they have it.
To all of the people who don't have an iso or goko username: could you please put it on?
Also, I still find QuickSync scummy for his XP vote and immediate unvote.
what is ISO and goku names?
Why is what I did scummy tho?
Isotropic is where you used to be able to play Dominion online, and Goko is the place where you play it now (well, not really, now it's Making Fun). You can set them in your profile.
I think XP is a mime, and you unvoted him right after doing it, and I'm saying it looks like you realized the XP vote might have been scummy and unvoted.
But, thinking about it, scum shouldn't want to vote for the mimes either, so my argument just got invalidated... Unvote
That doesn't follow.. Just because you think XP is mime is no reason to think I would think the same.. I gave my read on XP and its the only read I have given so far, so while I partially agree with you read on XP your reasons for unvoting me are not good.
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Did EgorK post yet?
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I'm feeling XP mine here.
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I'm feeling XP mime here.
Fixed
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I'm feeling XP mime here.
Fixed
I don't think so. Mafia maybe.
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I'm feeling XP mime here.
Fixed
Are you sure you don't mean mimt?
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What makes you think WW was not being serious?
2/3 of his posts were not serious, his third was kind of an easy 1 sentence phrase to look towny while contributing little to discussion. I did not answer this question.
What makes you think he was not trying to catch scum?
The fun clowning around was wrapping up though, and when it did, WW wasn't around to comment, except question one bit in regards to XP's PR fiasco (which may be worth further investigating, which was why the votes were coming in the first place).
If he's not trying to catch scum and he's not being serious, why didn't you question me about my vote on him without me bringing it up first?
Why do you say no one is being serious but still think that I should have a serious vote?
What makes you think it is a fact that no one is taking this game serious so far? Do you know what everyone is thinking?
Most of this game has been either jokes, comments about past games, possible metas, or appreciation about mimes. There have been few actual reads this game so far, but that's to be expected this early in the game. I don't think I have said anything wrong when I stated that 'people aren't currently playing seriously'. I don't know what people are thinking, but I do know what other people are typing, and until the last page or so, I haven't seen too much serious discussion.
Why did you not address this when directly asked about it tho ::)
If he's not trying to catch scum and he's not being serious, why didn't you question me about my vote on him without me bringing it up first?
#EditingWoes
I have my reasons.
That's a terrible reason m8.
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Teproc replaces Hydrad
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Bonjour tout le monde. Vu le thème, je peux juste parler en français toute la partie non ?
Or not. I haven't read anything, will catch up tomorrow, going to bed for now.
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Bonjour tout le monde. Vu le thème, je peux juste parler en français toute la partie non ?
vote: Teproc
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Bonjour tout le monde. Vu le thème, je peux juste parler en français toute la partie non ?
Or not. I haven't read anything, will catch up tomorrow, going to bed for now.
Vote: Teproc for leaving me alone in Paris, standing in the rue with my baguette in my my hands.
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ISO? I'm not familiar with that one.
Also, faust is mime.
vote: xp.
chairs was right half the time, and when he was wrong, he was so wrong you were never in any doubt about it.
So you're confirming you + XP mime team? Or are you declaring yourself as scum? ;)
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ISO? I'm not familiar with that one.
Also, faust is mime.
vote: xp.
chairs was right half the time, and when he was wrong, he was so wrong you were never in any doubt about it.
So you're confirming you + XP mime team? Or are you declaring yourself as scum? ;)
The shortest answer is doing the thing.
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Bonjour tout le monde. Vu le thème, je peux juste parler en français toute la partie non ?
Or not. I haven't read anything, will catch up tomorrow, going to bed for now.
Vote: Teproc for leaving me alone in Paris, standing in the rue with my baguette in my my hands.
Never go on trips with anyone you do not love.
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Ok, let's get to this.
This setup is weird, interesting.
XP is town.
Ok, the XP wagon is so 5 hours ago. I don't want to lynch him today.
Unvote XP
Vote: Witherweaver
He's just too sus not to vote him at this time. The serious questions are a bit too serious for this early in the game.
Scummy. Overjustification AND WW wasn't really being all that serious AND if he were it wouldn't be scmmy anyway. Also QS clearly cares a lot how his votes are perceived, that's a scumtell for new players.
Sidenote : how many games has QS played ?
He then proceeds to respond in depth to Seprix accusing him to be scum... could go either way, looks a lot like I'd handle it, but he's new so it's weird. Not sure.
Seprix is trying something new. I like it so far.
faust is trying something new. I don't like it.
WW... who knows, I'm horrible at reading him.
Looks like QS has experience on other sites ? Mafiascum ? This changes some things. Still like my vote though.
So... faust is trying to look like a Mime. So far I'm tempted to say that's because he is a Mime. Vigs, you know what to do.
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So... faust is trying to look like a Mime. So far I'm tempted to say that's because he is a Mime. Vigs, you know what to do.
No weapon has ever settled a moral problem. It can impose a solution but it cannot guarantee it to be a just one.
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I don't like an XP lynch anymore. Faust is just using quotes and stuff, but it's so reckless that I think he's trying to pull a BBB on us. I bet anything he's scum.
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I don't like an XP lynch anymore. Faust is just using quotes and stuff, but it's so reckless that I think he's trying to pull a BBB on us. I bet anything he's scum.
Cowardice... is almost always simply a lack of ability to suspend functioning of the imagination.
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Did EgorK post yet?
Hello. Just finished catching up. Carry on
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Teproc looks town.
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I don't like an XP lynch anymore. Faust is just using quotes and stuff, but it's so reckless that I think he's trying to pull a BBB on us. I bet anything he's scum.
What's a BBB?
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Teproc looks town.
Yeah, that's what I'm afraid of. Its much akin to why I voted you and then unvoted you.
This is the 4th site I have played mafia on. I have close to 20 games (could be a few more) played and some of them are not completed.
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ISO? I'm not familiar with that one.
Also, faust is mime.
vote: xp.
chairs was right half the time, and when he was wrong, he was so wrong you were never in any doubt about it.
So you're confirming you + XP mime team? Or are you declaring yourself as scum? ;)
I can't help but think this post is either extreme shading or simply that you are Sus of anyone and everyone at this point.
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Teproc looks town.
Where were you in [REDACTED] ?
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HRHSJKDHFJKSHFLHSKDFHJKSDHFSLKDFJKKH
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qqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqq
By the way guys I'm not a mime. what are the odds, right?
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vote: QuickSync
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What's happening ?
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qqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqq
By the way guys I'm not a mime. what are the odds, right?
Let's see, there are two possibilities:
1) You are a mime
2) You are not a mime
Therefore, the odds are 1/2, or 50%.
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qqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqq
By the way guys I'm not a mime. what are the odds, right?
Let's see, there are two possibilities:
1) You are a mime
2) You are not a mime
Therefore, the odds are 1/2, or 50%.
and it hurts
it hurts like hell
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qqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqq
By the way guys I'm not a mime. what are the odds, right?
Let's see, there are two possibilities:
1) You are a mime
2) You are not a mime
Therefore, the odds are 1/2, or 50%.
This is disgusting.
Vote: Awaclus
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unvote
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Vote Count 1.3
“Talk English to me, Tommy."
"Parlez francais avec moi, Nicole."
"But the meanings are different―in French you can be heroic and gallant with dignity, and you know it. But in English you can't be heroic and gallant without being a little absurd, and you know that too.”
― F. Scott Fitzgerald, Tender Is the Night
QuickSynch (4): Seprix, Faust, XP, Silverspawn
XP (3): Awaclus, Ghacob, chairs
Awaclus (1): QuickSync
Teproc (1): Witherweaver
Witherweaver (1): gkrieg13
Not Voting (3): EgorK, Teproc, Sudgy
With 13 alive, it takes 7 to lynch, 7 to no-lynch.
Day 1 ends August 27, 6 PM Forum Time.
Edit: fixed my formatting
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vote: QuickSync
That's a naked vote Dude.
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and it hurts
it hurts like hell
I got that reference!
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I'm concerned for town in this game. Not much is happening and people are not explaining their votes very well. I'm currently the highest voted person and while I can't say I think its ridiculous, I do feel there is prolly a mafia and/or mime on my wagon. Basically I am not happy at all with the way this game is going. It just seems like there is far too much dicking around and not enough actual content happening. I hope things shape up later in the game cuz at the rate this is going there are going to be a lot of town mislynches.
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I'm concerned for town in this game. Not much is happening and people are not explaining their votes very well. I'm currently the highest voted person and while I can't say I think its ridiculous, I do feel there is prolly a mafia and/or mime on my wagon. Basically I am not happy at all with the way this game is going. It just seems like there is far too much dicking around and not enough actual content happening. I hope things shape up later in the game cuz at the rate this is going there are going to be a lot of town mislynches.
We're doing fine. Not every site plays the same way. Not all votes have to be explained immediately either.
In fact I'm not sure how this tracks with this :
qqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqq
By the way guys I'm not a mime. what are the odds, right?
Let's see, there are two possibilities:
1) You are a mime
2) You are not a mime
Therefore, the odds are 1/2, or 50%.
This is disgusting.
Vote: Awaclus
If you're so desperate for this game to be content-heavy, why take the time to respond to jokes, especially with fake votes (well it's not a fake vote but I'm assuming it's not meant seriously).
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qqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqq
By the way guys I'm not a mime. what are the odds, right?
Let's see, there are two possibilities:
1) You are a mime
2) You are not a mime
Therefore, the odds are 1/2, or 50%.
There are two possibilities:
1) a meteor will land on my apartment today
2) a meteor will not land in my apartment today
50% chance I end up dead, so you may want to line up a sub for me
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I'm concerned for town in this game. Not much is happening and people are not explaining their votes very well. I'm currently the highest voted person and while I can't say I think its ridiculous, I do feel there is prolly a mafia and/or mime on my wagon. Basically I am not happy at all with the way this game is going. It just seems like there is far too much dicking around and not enough actual content happening. I hope things shape up later in the game cuz at the rate this is going there are going to be a lot of town mislynches.
We're doing fine. Not every site plays the same way. Not all votes have to be explained immediately either.
In fact I'm not sure how this tracks with this :
qqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqq
By the way guys I'm not a mime. what are the odds, right?
Let's see, there are two possibilities:
1) You are a mime
2) You are not a mime
Therefore, the odds are 1/2, or 50%.
This is disgusting.
Vote: Awaclus
If you're so desperate for this game to be content-heavy, why take the time to respond to jokes, especially with fake votes (well it's not a fake vote but I'm assuming it's not meant seriously).
Please see WW post directly after your, thanks.
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WW, what are your thoughts on QS ? Or anything (besides me) ?
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@QS : so, because WW is being silly it's no big deal that you're contradicting yourself ?
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@QS : so, because WW is being silly it's no big deal that you're contradicting yourself ?
Why don't you think about this for one second..
There is a difference between dicking around just to dick around and doing what WW did to make a point.
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WW, what are your thoughts on QS ? Or anything (besides me) ?
Scummy, especially the lame justification for getting on my wagon and then unvoting when I criticized.
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In Awaclus' defense, I believe he was joking.
Though, Silverspawn, what did you mean by your "what are the chances?" comment?
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Uh... What's going on...? A lot of 'q' and redacts and upset individuals. Man oh man. OH I GET IT NOW! PARIS MAFIA! You're all jealous Goddesses fighting over who is the best of all! Question is, who is Paris? Who is Helen?
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I'm concerned for town in this game. Not much is happening and people are not explaining their votes very well. I'm currently the highest voted person and while I can't say I think its ridiculous, I do feel there is prolly a mafia and/or mime on my wagon. Basically I am not happy at all with the way this game is going. It just seems like there is far too much dicking around and not enough actual content happening. I hope things shape up later in the game cuz at the rate this is going there are going to be a lot of town mislynches.
I don't think votes have to be explained well. Actually I don't think they have to be explained at all, unless there's a particular reason to explain them (for example, if you have some information that others don't).
Why do you think there's a mime on your wagon?
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In Awaclus' defense, I believe he was joking.
Though, silverspawn, what did you mean by your "what are the chances?" comment?
since everyone seems to want to claim mime...
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WW, what are your thoughts on QS ? Or anything (besides me) ?
Scummy, especially the lame justification for getting on my wagon and then unvoting when I criticized.
It had nothing to do with you criticizing anything. I realized that you weren't as much of a newb as I originally thought. I was going off that you could've been an extremely easy read and when I found out that you actually have a brain and know how to play this game based on your later posts after the three is why I unvoted you.
In Awaclus' defense, I believe he was joking.
Though, Silverspawn, what did you mean by your "what are the chances?" comment?
Yeah, I know he was joking and my point is that if scum can delay content from actually happening then they are doing their job right. Take into consideration that Awaclus is basically just dicking around and not doing much and you can see why I am upset that I am the person who has the most votes currently.
I'm concerned for town in this game. Not much is happening and people are not explaining their votes very well. I'm currently the highest voted person and while I can't say I think its ridiculous, I do feel there is prolly a mafia and/or mime on my wagon. Basically I am not happy at all with the way this game is going. It just seems like there is far too much dicking around and not enough actual content happening. I hope things shape up later in the game cuz at the rate this is going there are going to be a lot of town mislynches.
I don't think votes have to be explained well. Actually I don't think they have to be explained at all, unless there's a particular reason to explain them (for example, if you have some information that others don't).
Why do you think there's a mime on your wagon?
Not explaining votes is seriously a bad way to play. Its way too easy for scum to just vote without reason if no one explains why they are voting the way they are. Seriously I like where my vote is because you seem to not be taking this game in the right light.
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It had nothing to do with you criticizing anything. I realized that you weren't as much of a newb as I originally thought. I was going off that you could've been an extremely easy read and when I found out that you actually have a brain and know how to play this game based on your later posts after the three is why I unvoted you.
Careful.
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It had nothing to do with you criticizing anything. I realized that you weren't as much of a newb as I originally thought. I was going off that you could've been an extremely easy read and when I found out that you actually have a brain and know how to play this game based on your later posts after the three is why I unvoted you.
God, I hate phone posting.
It's just a game, Sync. Calm down. No need to be that rude.
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Yeah so anyway
Vote: Awaclus
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Uh... What's going on...? A lot of 'q' and redacts and upset individuals. Man oh man. OH I GET IT NOW! PARIS MAFIA! You're all jealous Goddesses fighting over who is the best of all! Question is, who is Paris? Who is Helen?
Paris Mafia II: Troy Harder
Coming soon to a forum near you
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Awaclus has a meta of not explaining votes. That doesn't really make him scummy.
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Uh... What's going on...? A lot of 'q' and redacts and upset individuals. Man oh man. OH I GET IT NOW! PARIS MAFIA! You're all jealous Goddesses fighting over who is the best of all! Question is, who is Paris? Who is Helen?
Paris Mafia II: Troy Harder
Coming soon to a forum near you
+1
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Uh... What's going on...? A lot of 'q' and redacts and upset individuals. Man oh man. OH I GET IT NOW! PARIS MAFIA! You're all jealous Goddesses fighting over who is the best of all! Question is, who is Paris? Who is Helen?
Paris Mafia II: Troy Harder
Coming soon to a forum near you
So many +1s for you
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Awaclus has a meta of not explaining votes. That doesn't really make him scummy.
It does make him anti-town though.
silver, what do you think of QS ?
Sidenote : In Paris Mafia, wouldn't Eris be the scum ? Maybe SK ?
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Awaclus has a meta of not explaining votes. That doesn't really make him scummy.
It sure makes him lynchable though. Admit it, you know it would feel good.
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Awaclus has a meta of not explaining votes. That doesn't really make him scummy.
You read incorrectly. That is not why I am voting for him.
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Awaclus has a meta of not explaining votes. That doesn't really make him scummy.
It does make him anti-town though.
silver, what do you think of QS ?
I'm getting scum vibes but I feel like they may be unjustified and just based on him coming off site. Still, if I had to lynch someone right now, It'd be him.
You read incorrectly. That is not why I am voting for him.
I meant WW
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While it could be completely wrong, I feel like QS is acting more like frustrated scum than frustrated town, so Vote: QuickSync (again).
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Why would scum!QS be frustrated right now?
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He's starting to sound townier to me.
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Not explaining votes is seriously a bad way to play. Its way too easy for scum to just vote without reason if no one explains why they are voting the way they are.
It is trivial to come up with a fake reason for voting the way you are. It is not at all easier to just vote without reason.
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Why would scum!QS be frustrated right now?
He has several votes.
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Why would scum!QS be frustrated right now?
He has several votes.
Plausible, but scum would shut up and let the game go on...
unvote
I think XP or Faust today, leaning Faust so far.
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Why would scum!QS be frustrated right now?
He has several votes.
Plausible, but scum would shut up and let the game go on...
Not all scum. Different people play a lot differently, and some people as scum get mad in a situation like this. Town does too, but as I said, I think it looked more like frustrated scum, not frustrated town.
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Why would scum!QS be frustrated right now?
He has several votes.
Plausible, but scum would shut up and let the game go on...
Not all scum. Different people play a lot differently, and some people as scum get mad in a situation like this. Town does too, but as I said, I think it looked more like frustrated scum, not frustrated town.
Why?
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I do have to ask why as well.
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Not explaining votes is seriously a bad way to play. Its way too easy for scum to just vote without reason if no one explains why they are voting the way they are.
It is trivial to come up with a fake reason for voting the way you are. It is not at all easier to just vote without reason.
It is trivially easier, like by definition.
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Why would scum!QS be frustrated right now?
He has several votes.
But it's not a small game and it's been not even two days since the day started. Early wagons don't often lead to much.
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Not explaining votes is seriously a bad way to play. Its way too easy for scum to just vote without reason if no one explains why they are voting the way they are.
It is trivial to come up with a fake reason for voting the way you are. It is not at all easier to just vote without reason.
It is not trivial to come up with fake reasons for voting and feel sincere however. The more scum talks, the more likely there are to slip (not in the scumslip sense, you know what I mean), up until a certain point. Therefore, voting without explanation is anti town since it allows scum to get away with it.
That being said, unexpalined votes have value too.... as long as they're explained eventually.
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Awaclus : I know you think your town meta is to not make cases or whatever, but in that case it means your town met ais being useless. Please don't be useless for the sake of conforming to your town meta, as you know it won't prevent you from being lynched.
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Well metas from different sites are definitely different. Qs reads scummy to me right now but it could just be an over reaction to votes. Seprix is seeming towny, which never happens at the beginning of a game for me. So maybe he's mime? Silver also seems towny to me this game. I'll reread more later.
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Why would scum!QS be frustrated right now?
He has several votes.
But it's not a small game and it's been not even two days since the day started. Early wagons don't often lead to much.
Based on the way this game is going, I could very well see myself getting lynched.
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silver also seems towny to me this game. I'll reread more later.
this is good. at least a third of your reads is already correct.
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It is not trivial to come up with fake reasons for voting and feel sincere however.
How it's not trivial? Just think of a reason why town would vote that way, then make sure it's not inconsistent with your previous actions, and that's it.
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It is not trivial to come up with fake reasons for voting and feel sincere however.
How it's not trivial? Just think of a reason why town would vote that way, then make sure it's not inconsistent with your previous actions, and that's it.
Ok... if it is trivial, how is it you think we catch scum ?
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It is not trivial to come up with fake reasons for voting and feel sincere however.
How it's not trivial? Just think of a reason why town would vote that way, then make sure it's not inconsistent with your previous actions, and that's it.
I think the point they are trying to make is that its way harder to come up with legit reasons for a vote as scum as opposed to Town. Take Scott Howard Rule Of Odd Posts for example.
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It is not trivial to come up with fake reasons for voting and feel sincere however.
How it's not trivial? Just think of a reason why town would vote that way, then make sure it's not inconsistent with your previous actions, and that's it.
I think the point they are trying to make is that its way harder to come up with legit reasons for a vote as scum as opposed to Town. Take Scott Howard Rule Of Odd Posts for example.
You can safely assume that no one here knows what that is (well, maybe silverspawn ?). So, what is it ?
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well, maybe silverspawn
nope, sorry.
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It is not trivial to come up with fake reasons for voting and feel sincere however.
How it's not trivial? Just think of a reason why town would vote that way, then make sure it's not inconsistent with your previous actions, and that's it.
I think the point they are trying to make is that its way harder to come up with legit reasons for a vote as scum as opposed to Town. Take Scott Howard Rule Of Odd Posts for example.
You can safely assume that no one here knows what that is (well, maybe silverspawn ?). So, what is it ?
The basic idea behind it is that Scum psychologically have difficulty giving a read on their scumbuddies that seems genuine. This necessitates that they, since knowing who town are, also have a hard time psychologically coming up with believable read for Town being Scum.
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Not all scum. Different people play a lot differently, and some people as scum get mad in a situation like this. Town does too, but as I said, I think it looked more like frustrated scum, not frustrated town.
Why?
I don't quite know how to explain why I think it's frustrated scum and not frustrated town. It's more of a gut read. It might be because of how scum will often get mad about votes that don't make sense, but that isn't necessarily it.
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Ok... if it is trivial, how is it you think we catch scum ?
Looking at the things you can't fake, like voting or unvoting people.
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Ok... if it is trivial, how is it you think we catch scum ?
Looking at the things you can't fake, like voting or unvoting people.
You are aware than explained votes are still votes, right ? How does explaining them make it easier for scum ?
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Awaclus Mime 2015
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You are aware than explained votes are still votes, right ? How does explaining them make it easier for scum ?
Well, it doesn't necessarily make it easier. It is a great chance to say things to manipulate town into seeing the fake town narrative, but scum has other ways of doing that besides explaining their votes.
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Not all scum. Different people play a lot differently, and some people as scum get mad in a situation like this. Town does too, but as I said, I think it looked more like frustrated scum, not frustrated town.
Why?
I don't quite know how to explain why I think it's frustrated scum and not frustrated town. It's more of a gut read. It might be because of how scum will often get mad about votes that don't make sense, but that isn't necessarily it.
If all you're going on is gut at this point I can tell you right now its completely wrong.
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You are aware than explained votes are still votes, right ? How does explaining them make it easier for scum ?
Well, it doesn't necessarily make it easier. It is a great chance to say things to manipulate town into seeing the fake town narrative, but scum has other ways of doing that besides explaining their votes.
The problem with your strategy of not explaining votes is that because of the way it works, to have integrity, all you should be doing is voting and unvoting and nothing else.
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Not all scum. Different people play a lot differently, and some people as scum get mad in a situation like this. Town does too, but as I said, I think it looked more like frustrated scum, not frustrated town.
Why?
I don't quite know how to explain why I think it's frustrated scum and not frustrated town. It's more of a gut read. It might be because of how scum will often get mad about votes that don't make sense, but that isn't necessarily it.
If all you're going on is gut at this point I can tell you right now its completely wrong.
Scum is more likely to be mad than town because a mafia dying is worse for the mafia than a townsperson is bad for the town.
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Not all scum. Different people play a lot differently, and some people as scum get mad in a situation like this. Town does too, but as I said, I think it looked more like frustrated scum, not frustrated town.
Why?
I don't quite know how to explain why I think it's frustrated scum and not frustrated town. It's more of a gut read. It might be because of how scum will often get mad about votes that don't make sense, but that isn't necessarily it.
If all you're going on is gut at this point I can tell you right now its completely wrong.
Scum is more likely to be mad than town because a mafia dying is worse for the mafia than a townsperson is bad for the town.
This makes not sense at all. People do not work that way in reality. It is natural to not want to be voted off and it takes a lot of guts for a person as Town to not caring about being voted off. A very small percentage of people actually act out this way in practice. I mean, you are basically saying that the average person only gets upset for getting voted off as Scum and NOT Town. Its a theory that doesn't hold up to scrutiny when looking at the psychological effects of when people are put under pressure and what people as individuals do when that happens.
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That theory absolutely does hold up in practice, combine with the fact that scum tends to oevrreact to pressure because they know they're guilty.
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I grow weary of this discussion.
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That theory absolutely does hold up in practice, combine with the fact that scum tends to oevrreact to pressure because they know they're guilty.
But only in part. You cannot be dogmatic about this kind of theory. People DO behave differently on an individual basis. Some people are more reactive than others, this, I am ok saying, is fact.
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Obviously.
@WW : It's not the best, but frankly I don't have anything better to say at the moment.
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Teproc makes sense. Awalcus is mime, nohing new though.
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I grow weary of this discussion.
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Teproc makes sense. Awalcus is mime, nohing new though.
That's a conclusion without providing how you came to it which is just like voting without providing reasons.
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Sometimes in life, you just have to close your eyes, pull the trigger, and wince.
Which you don't have to, because Awaclus is mime. :)
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Sometimes in life, you just have to close your eyes, pull the trigger, and wince.
Which you don't have to, because Awaclus is mime. :)
Why? Is this a meta read or something?
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Awaclus is pushing to get lynched for saying poor opinions.
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Awaclus is pushing to get lynched for saying poor opinions.
Can you link specific posts where he has done this?
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The problem with your strategy of not explaining votes is that because of the way it works, to have integrity, all you should be doing is voting and unvoting and nothing else.
Not really. I can also state my reads regarding people I'm not voting, and participate in theory talk.
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I ought to be able to participate more now that I'm done with College Mafia.
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I feel like this day has been dominated by QuickSync and responses to QuickSync.
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Why would scum!QS be frustrated right now?
He has several votes.
But it's not a small game and it's been not even two days since the day started. Early wagons don't often lead to much.
This could be a message to qs to stop reacting to voted. I'm also probably tunneling ww from mistborn and will continue for a good part of this game.
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Awaclus is null
Chairs is null but slightly towny
Teproc is towny to me
XP seems towny (and we've been connected in every game I've played so he must be town)
Phone posting until Tuesday so I'm trying to give reads as content. I'll be much more active on Tuesday I promise.
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Vote Count 1.4
“It takes a lot of time to be a genius. You have to sit around so much, doing nothing, really doing nothing.” ― Gertrude Stein
QuickSynch (3): Faust, XP, Silverspawn
XP (3): Awaclus, Ghacob, chairs
Awaclus (2): QuickSync, Witherweaver
Witherweaver (1): gkrieg13
Not Voting (4): EgorK, Teproc, Sudgy, Seprix
With 13 alive, it takes 7 to lynch, 7 to no-lynch.
Day 1 ends August 27, 6 PM Forum Time.
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Reads list (though very poor, I'm doing one anyways)
QS: Town
XP: Town/Mime
Awaclus: Scummy
WW: Townie
SS: Scummy/Mimie
Ghacob: Null
Faust: Null/Townie
Chairs: Null/Townie
gkrieg: Town
EgorK: ??
Teproc: Town
Sudgy: Town
Seprix: Scummy
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XP: Town/Mime
Awaclus: Scummy
True, it's very poor.
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XP: Town/Mime
Awaclus: Scummy
True, it's very poor.
I have an idea. Why don't you provide a reads list so we can compare.
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I have an idea. Why don't you provide a reads list so we can compare.
QS: probably town, could be scum, I don't think you're a mime
XP: scum
Awaclus: IC
WW: I can't read WW this early, he always feels towny no matter what he does, so I need more of the actual evidence stuff to form an opinion about him. I guess he could be scum or mime.
SS: null
Ghacob: null
faust: null
chairs: null
gkrieg: null
EgorK: null
Teproc: towny, but I think he's also capable of being this towny as scum, so probably null
sudgy: null
Seprix: Sort of like WW, except that instead of feeling towny, he always feels weird no matter what he does.
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I have an idea. Why don't you provide a reads list so we can compare.
QS: probably town, could be scum, I don't think you're a mime
XP: scum
Awaclus: IC
WW: I can't read WW this early, he always feels towny no matter what he does, so I need more of the actual evidence stuff to form an opinion about him. I guess he could be scum or mime.
SS: null
Ghacob: null
faust: null
chairs: null
gkrieg: null
EgorK: null
Teproc: towny, but I think he's also capable of being this towny as scum, so probably null
sudgy: null
Seprix: Sort of like WW, except that instead of feeling towny, he always feels weird no matter what he does.
I suggest a competition to see who is better are reading people. Would you partake?
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I suggest a competition to see who is better are reading people. Would you partake?
No, that would be stupid. I don't partake in competitions to see who can have more Coppers in their deck within games of Dominion either, I'd rather focus on winning the actual game.
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I suggest a competition to see who is better are reading people. Would you partake?
No, that would be stupid. I don't partake in competitions to see who can have more Coppers in their deck within games of Dominion either, I'd rather focus on winning the actual game.
Oh, c'mon. It will be fun. What if we raise the stakes? winner gets to choose the losers avatar to use for a week.
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I think QuickSync came from MafiaScum forums..
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I think QuickSync came from MafiaScum forums..
That's just one of the places I have played. Its not my home site.
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Awaclus is town. Let's talk about something else.
vote: chairs
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Oh, c'mon. It will be fun. What if we raise the stakes? winner gets to choose the losers avatar to use for a week.
No, it won't be fun. Playing to win is fun. If I partake in this competition and play to win the competition, then I can't play to win the Mafia game, because at some point there's going to be a situation where the optimal plays for Mafia and your competition are different, so I can't possibly do both.
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Also it's unfair because you might have a different amount of information available because of your role/alignment than I do.
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Why is everybody looking for Mimes? We won't get anywhere looking for Mimes, we need to look for scum. Scum is probably the one who cares about Mimes more, so people looking for Mimes I would say are scummy.
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Why is everybody looking for Mimes? We won't get anywhere looking for Mimes, we need to look for scum. Scum is probably the one who cares about Mimes more, so people looking for Mimes I would say are scummy.
Why shouldn't we be thinking about Mimes ? You do understand we lose if we lynch them, and it is vital than one of our Vigs kills one ?
I do agree finding scum is more important, but finding Mimes is certainly not a bad thing either.
It's also not like the discussion has been dominated by that either, it's mostly been dominated by theory talk, which is much, much worse.
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Why is everybody looking for Mimes? We won't get anywhere looking for Mimes, we need to look for scum. Scum is probably the one who cares about Mimes more, so people looking for Mimes I would say are scummy.
Why shouldn't we be thinking about Mimes ? You do understand we lose if we lynch them, and it is vital than one of our Vigs kills one ?
I do agree finding scum is more important, but finding Mimes is certainly not a bad thing either.
It's also not like the discussion has been dominated by that either, it's mostly been dominated by theory talk, which is much, much worse.
We should think about scum more than we should about Mimes, and from what I've seen, I'm the only one that's been thinking about scum. I did a bit of Mime stuff, and that was it. Scum is interested in finding Mimes as well, because they need to kill them too to win. So, scum should be more worried about finding Mimes than finding scum (because they are scum), and I think looking for Mimes more than scum is scummy.
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Awaclus is town. Let's talk about something else.
vote: chairs
chairs is town. Let's talk about something else.
vote: sudgy
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j/k sudgy is probably Town too. vote: QuickSync
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j/k sudgy is probably Town too. vote: QuickSync
This is the problem everywhere I go.. No one believes me and then I end up having to say I told you so.
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QuickSync is town.
Let's lynch Awaclus!
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Awaclus is town. Let's talk about something else.
vote: chairs
I'd really like you to explain this read. Like, in a way that makes sense.
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j/k sudgy is probably Town too. vote: QuickSync
This is the problem everywhere I go.. No one believes me and then I end up having to say I told you so.
Why should I believe you? Just stop worrying about yourself and focus on the bigger picture. Self pity just makes everyone focus on you, which is bad.
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j/k sudgy is probably Town too. vote: QuickSync
This is the problem everywhere I go.. No one believes me and then I end up having to say I told you so.
Why should I believe you? Just stop worrying about yourself and focus on the bigger picture. Self pity just makes everyone focus on you, which is bad.
I'm not going to respond to this. I feel I have said enough in this thread as it is. You don't want to believe me its whatevs.
This thread should be more active. I tired of responding to every crappy reason why people are voting me. I going to try and chill and just let other people talk, cuz so far its been the QS show. People should be talking and doing things for reactions rather than just doing a "person X is role Y" without explaining anything and then throwing up a vote that makes no sense. Just my opinion ofc but I think my opinion is valid.
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@MOD, can we get a vote count?
I'll claim when I'm put at 6.
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@MOD, can we get a vote count?
I'll claim when I'm put at 6.
When? As in it's going to happen? You're giving up so fast though!
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QuickSync is town.
Let's lynch Awaclus!
Awaclus is Mime.
Let's lynch WW!
vote: WW
@QS: I'd hate to be rude, but mind if I offer a bit of advice? Try, like, stepping back a little bit. And I don't mean to make a post about stepping back but to actually step back. Show a bit more... humbleness? Here you come to a new forum for mafia for you, and you step right out acting like you own the place. Your... largeness? is almost threatening? and a bit off putting and my computer is turning off so i don't have a chance to finish aaaaa
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Vote Count 1.5
“Counting is the religion of this generation it is its hope and its salvation.” ― Gertrude Stein, Everybody's Autobiography
QuickSynch (4): Faust, XP, Silverspawn, chairs
Witherweaver (2): gkrieg13, Ghacob
Awaclus (2): QuickSync, Witherweaver
chairs (1): Teproc
XP (1): Awaclus
Not Voting (3): EgorK, Sudgy, Seprix
With 13 alive, it takes 7 to lynch, 7 to no-lynch.
Day 1 ends August 27, 6 PM Forum Time.
Edit: correcting for Mr. Ninja up there.
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I have an idea. Why don't you provide a reads list so we can compare.
QS: probably town, could be scum, I don't think you're a mime
XP: scum
Awaclus: IC
WW: I can't read WW this early, he always feels towny no matter what he does, so I need more of the actual evidence stuff to form an opinion about him. I guess he could be scum or mime.
SS: null
Ghacob: null
faust: null
chairs: null
gkrieg: null
EgorK: null
Teproc: towny, but I think he's also capable of being this towny as scum, so probably null
sudgy: null
Seprix: Sort of like WW, except that instead of feeling towny, he always feels weird no matter what he does.
Why is XP scummy?
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Awaclus is town. Let's talk about something else.
vote: chairs
chairs is town. Let's talk about something else.
vote: sudgy
Why sudgy? He seems to be making sense to me.
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Teproc and awaclus don't seem to be buddies with that little tussle. Although if I were a mime, I would argue with my partner just because one of the two people in a big argument usually gets lynched.
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Where is EgorK? My Russian friend needs to get over here!
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Awaclus is town. Let's talk about something else.
vote: chairs
chairs is town. Let's talk about something else.
vote: sudgy
Why sudgy? He seems to be making sense to me.
My next post addressed this.
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Where is EgorK? My Russian friend needs to get over here!
I'm here and reading
I just want to wrap up my head around theory of this game before delving right in. The fact that scummiest person is usually bad lynch candidate and good for vigging is really changes this game a lot
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Why is XP scummy?
Probably because he's scum.
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So, full reread inc.
I'm really sorry about the mistake. Maybe we can talk about Quiksync instead, or Faust, or Awaclus?
Its a capital S, get it right! (totally joking btw)
That's funny Silverspawn, I thought you were one of my scum buddies.
It's not a capital s, get it right! I'm actually not joking.
Also, Vote: silverspawn for reasons so obvious I don't even need to be bothered mentioning them.
sudgy, what were your reasons for this vote?
I don't buy that Faust is trying to get lynched.
neither do I. And more about that later.
@QS: I'd hate to be rude, but mind if I offer a bit of advice? Try, like, stepping back a little bit. And I don't mean to make a post about stepping back but to actually step back. Show a bit more... humbleness? Here you come to a new forum for mafia for you, and you step right out acting like you own the place. Your... largeness? is almost threatening? and a bit off putting and my computer is turning off so i don't have a chance to finish aaaaa
no no, no. Well, I disagree. I think what you're doing is totally fine. It works to get the game going, too, and I think it's pro town.
I think the most important things that happened this game were
- faust refusing to be helpful this game. This is essentially a non-town claim. So either he's scum or he's a mime. Keep this in mind.
- XP's 'claim'. I don't buy that he meant 'town' when he said 'Vanilla Townie'. And I think it's more likely to come from a mime than from anything else. I also buy that he's excited about being mime, which fits in with his play.
- QS stuff and votes for him
Blue is mime. Red is scum. Green is town.
gkrieg13
EgorK
chairs
QuickSync
XerxesPraelor
silverspawn
Hydrad
Witherweaver
Ghacob
faust
Sudgy
Awaclus
Seprix
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So, the setup is really interesting. I almost think mime's would be more fun in a game without vigs -- although I just noticed that mime actually has a JK power. So it's hard to just vig them.
the faust being a mime thing is something I don't buy. The reason is pretty simply that I don't think he expected to get lynched with what he's doing. Which is exactly why we should lynch him. vote: faust. Looks so much like scum.
Awaclus is mimemy because he should know by now
QS is towny and players voting for him are scummy to different degrees. let's see who that is.
#57: silverspawn votes QuickSync (L-7)
#111: sudgy votes QuickSync (L-7)
#114: Seprix votes QuickSync (L-6)
#143: faust votes QuickSync (L-5)
#222: silverspawn votes QuickSync (L-6)
#255: sudgy votes QuickSync (L-5)
#319: chairs votes QuickSync (L-4)
There are quite a few. Bolded the bad ones.
Well, I already have them as scummy, so it all works out.
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There was a part cut off with the Awaclus thing. He should know by now that his play style is anti town. As a town, I'd expect him to change it. As a scum too. As a mime.... I'd just keep doing what he's doing. He's drawing votes without looking mime-ish.
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This setup would be dumb without vigs, as town would hav eno way to interact with mimes. So if you lynch scum too fast you just lose to Mimes automatically.
You forgot about me in your reads. ALso I voted QS at one point I think, that doesn't show up either.
I disagree about faust, but obviously it's a pretty tough case, it's all a matter of which level on thinking you place on. I think faust thinks he has a good chance of getting lynched for this, which makes me think he' either a Mime or a VT (in this game, VTs getting lynched is not such a bad outcome for town).
Love seeing Seprix battling his former self.
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I think Awaclus is town based on... wait, I'll find it.
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I have an idea. Why don't you provide a reads list so we can compare.
QS: probably town, could be scum, I don't think you're a mime
XP: scum
Awaclus: IC
WW: I can't read WW this early, he always feels towny no matter what he does, so I need more of the actual evidence stuff to form an opinion about him. I guess he could be scum or mime.
SS: null
Ghacob: null
faust: null
chairs: null
gkrieg: null
EgorK: null
Teproc: towny, but I think he's also capable of being this towny as scum, so probably null
sudgy: null
Seprix: Sort of like WW, except that instead of feeling towny, he always feels weird no matter what he does.
Right this. This is a real reads list, because it's 95% null. Normally that's bad, sure, but given the way this game is going, it's the only sane reads list town can produce. Scum would feel pressured to put artificial reads in there. ould be mime too I suppose, but whatever, I don't think this comes from scum.
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See QS's reads just above it, it's incredibly forced. Right now I'm thinking that's because QS is town trying to get the game going, but half of those reads are definitely artificial.
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j/k sudgy is probably Town too. vote: QuickSync
Why ?
Yes, I realize the irony/hypocrisy. Still.
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This setup would be dumb without vigs, as town would hav eno way to interact with mimes. So if you lynch scum too fast you just lose to Mimes automatically.
Well, obviously the rules would have to be adapted. the way that comes to mind is for town to simply endgame mimes by lynching scum with them still alive.
ALso I voted QS at one point I think, that doesn't show up either.
I just searched manually. I don't think you ever voted for QS.
You forgot about me in your reads.
So I did, but I can't read you anyway, so it's null.
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There was a part cut off with the Awaclus thing. He should know by now that his play style is anti town. As a town, I'd expect him to change it. As a scum too. As a mime.... I'd just keep doing what he's doing. He's drawing votes without looking mime-ish.
I don't think my play style is anti-town.
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I have an idea. Why don't you provide a reads list so we can compare.
QS: probably town, could be scum, I don't think you're a mime
XP: scum
Awaclus: IC
WW: I can't read WW this early, he always feels towny no matter what he does, so I need more of the actual evidence stuff to form an opinion about him. I guess he could be scum or mime.
SS: null
Ghacob: null
faust: null
chairs: null
gkrieg: null
EgorK: null
Teproc: towny, but I think he's also capable of being this towny as scum, so probably null
sudgy: null
Seprix: Sort of like WW, except that instead of feeling towny, he always feels weird no matter what he does.
Right this. This is a real reads list, because it's 95% null. Normally that's bad, sure, but given the way this game is going, it's the only sane reads list town can produce. Scum would feel pressured to put artificial reads in there. ould be mime too I suppose, but whatever, I don't think this comes from scum.
This thought did come to mind when I saw the list, and if it was someone else, I'd probably give him town points.
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There was a part cut off with the Awaclus thing. He should know by now that his play style is anti town. As a town, I'd expect him to change it. As a scum too. As a mime.... I'd just keep doing what he's doing. He's drawing votes without looking mime-ish.
I don't think my play style is anti-town.
yes yes that's exactly what mime!you would say here.
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There was a part cut off with the Awaclus thing. He should know by now that his play style is anti town. As a town, I'd expect him to change it. As a scum too. As a mime.... I'd just keep doing what he's doing. He's drawing votes without looking mime-ish.
I don't think my play style is anti-town.
yes yes that's exactly what mime!you would say here.
Do you think Awaclus is more likely to be mafia than town ?
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There was a part cut off with the Awaclus thing. He should know by now that his play style is anti town. As a town, I'd expect him to change it. As a scum too. As a mime.... I'd just keep doing what he's doing. He's drawing votes without looking mime-ish.
I don't think my play style is anti-town.
yes yes that's exactly what mime!you would say here.
That's also what town!me and scum!me would say here, because it's true.
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There was a part cut off with the Awaclus thing. He should know by now that his play style is anti town. As a town, I'd expect him to change it. As a scum too. As a mime.... I'd just keep doing what he's doing. He's drawing votes without looking mime-ish.
I don't think my play style is anti-town.
yes yes that's exactly what mime!you would say here.
Do you think Awaclus is more likely to be mafia than town ?
no
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I also don't think he's more likely to be mime than town. Even a fairly strong mime read day 1 is certainly not enough to do that.
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Awaclus is town. Let's talk about something else.
vote: chairs
I'd really like you to explain this read. Like, in a way that makes sense.
I'll get back to you on that.
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- faust refusing to be helpful this game. This is essentially a non-town claim. So either he's scum or he's a mime. Keep this in mind.
I like to listen. I have learned a great deal from listening carefully. Most people never listen.
Vote: silverspawn
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faust, please stop. I'm not a believer in policy lynching, so really it's up to you, but please stop.
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You don't like it? Well, I'm running out of quotes anyway.
So, this is what happened this game:
- Ghacob and Hydrad(now Teproc) were both not confirmed when the game started. It is highly unlikely that they are both scum. Not going to lynch either of them today.
- Xerxes's VT claim was clearly unintended. People who made a fuss about this: sudgy, Awaclus, Seprix, QuickSync. They're scummy.
- silver thinks I'm scum. That's really bad. Same from chairs, also bad.
- QuickSync wagon. I think QuickSync reacted to it in a towny way.
- people voting for Awaclus for being Awaclus. That's scummy. QuickSync is excused, not having played with him before. WW is scummy. Seprix is scummy.
- Teproc is continuedly towny.
Theory comment: It's not actually that bad to lynch one mime. We should go for the scummiest person today. Being afraid of lynching mimes is bad for town.
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Scum. Scum scum scum scum scum scum scum scum scum.
Voting for you is bad? Hah. The last time I used that argument, you called me out for OMGUS. this is not something town!faust does.
Just transitioning into normal play? scummy. Town!you doesn't have a motivation to start of the game weird like this.
And the reads are all wrong. I'm not scummy. WW is clearly towny.
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We should go for the scummiest person today
I agree.
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well, I mean, transitioning into normal play is not scummy compared to not doing it, because not doing it is equivalent with a mime/scum claim. But it's still scummy compared to not starting off normal.
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I think Faust should be lynched. At worst, he is mime, but it's just so obvious. Town wouldn't play that way, no way. It's just so unhelpful. I can totally see him as masquerading as mime to be openly scum. He is a great lynch candidate. I agree with SS on this.
vote: SS
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Oh no!!!!
vote: Faust
lol...
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Also, Vote: silverspawn for reasons so obvious I don't even need to be bothered mentioning them.
sudgy, what were your reasons for this vote?
It was a complete joke.
I don't think we should lynch faust today. I feel like it's pretty obvious he isn't town. Let's just let the vig kill him! If he doesn't die, we know he's not town and it's either mafia's N1 bulletproof or Mime's 1-shot Bulletproof, and the vig can shoot him again tomorrow night. We don't have to worry about lynching somebody who is probably a mime, and we deal with him anyway.
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I don't think we should lynch faust today. I feel like it's pretty obvious he isn't town. Let's just let the vig kill him! If he doesn't die, we know he's not town and it's either mafia's N1 bulletproof or Mime's 1-shot Bulletproof, and the vig can shoot him again tomorrow night. We don't have to worry about lynching somebody who is probably a mime, and we deal with him anyway.
I was thinking earlier that directing PRs isn't too bad in this setup, but you've just proven that it still is.
Let's not do any of that. Or let's, whatever the vig wants to do.
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I don't think we should lynch faust today. I feel like it's pretty obvious he isn't town. Let's just let the vig kill him! If he doesn't die, we know he's not town and it's either mafia's N1 bulletproof or Mime's 1-shot Bulletproof, and the vig can shoot him again tomorrow night. We don't have to worry about lynching somebody who is probably a mime, and we deal with him anyway.
I was thinking earlier that directing PRs isn't too bad in this setup, but you've just proven that it still is.
Let's not do any of that. Or let's, whatever the vig wants to do.
What's so bad about it?
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Also, Vote: silverspawn for reasons so obvious I don't even need to be bothered mentioning them.
sudgy, what were your reasons for this vote?
It was a complete joke.
I don't think we should lynch faust today. I feel like it's pretty obvious he isn't town. Let's just let the vig kill him! If he doesn't die, we know he's not town and it's either mafia's N1 bulletproof or Mime's 1-shot Bulletproof, and the vig can shoot him again tomorrow night. We don't have to worry about lynching somebody who is probably a mime, and we deal with him anyway.
I didn't think about that a failed vig proves someone's a mime. that's a really good point.
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Also, Vote: silverspawn for reasons so obvious I don't even need to be bothered mentioning them.
sudgy, what were your reasons for this vote?
It was a complete joke.
I don't think we should lynch faust today. I feel like it's pretty obvious he isn't town. Let's just let the vig kill him! If he doesn't die, we know he's not town and it's either mafia's N1 bulletproof or Mime's 1-shot Bulletproof, and the vig can shoot him again tomorrow night. We don't have to worry about lynching somebody who is probably a mime, and we deal with him anyway.
I didn't think about that a failed vig proves someone's a mime. that's a really good point.
Remember that mafia has a N1 Bulletproof, though.
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I don't think we should lynch faust today. I feel like it's pretty obvious he isn't town. Let's just let the vig kill him! If he doesn't die, we know he's not town and it's either mafia's N1 bulletproof or Mime's 1-shot Bulletproof, and the vig can shoot him again tomorrow night. We don't have to worry about lynching somebody who is probably a mime, and we deal with him anyway.
I was thinking earlier that directing PRs isn't too bad in this setup, but you've just proven that it still is.
Let's not do any of that. Or let's, whatever the vig wants to do.
What's so bad about it?
You do know mafia can read this thread right ?
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There are very few times where you can tell a PR what to do, all of them being instances where scum cannot do anything about it.
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Look who's going against me: silver, Seprix, sudgy. If these aren't the people I just stated were scummy...
I don't buy this from silver. He just lost a game to scum!me. He knows what scum!me looks like (pretty close to town!me I hope). There is no scum motivation for claiming non-town, and I never claimed non-town.
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I was thinking earlier that directing PRs isn't too bad in this setup, but you've just proven that it still is.
Let's not do any of that. Or let's, whatever the vig wants to do.
Teproc is talking the sense.
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And of course noone even bothered to adress the points I'm making.
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Look who's going against me: silver, Seprix, sudgy. If these aren't the people I just stated were scummy...
I don't buy this from silver. He just lost a game to scum!me. He knows what scum!me looks like (pretty close to town!me I hope).
I did suspect you in that game, but you got managed to make me feel about about doing so, until I stopped. Not saying you didn't also play a good scum game, because you did, but that was a big part of it.
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Telling the Vig who to kill could work. But for it to work that would involve a claim which would not work. Its almost never good to talk about PR because it makes it way too easy for Scum to Rolefish.
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Telling the Vig who to kill could work. But for it to work that would involve a claim which would not work. Its almost never good to talk about PR because it makes it way too easy for Scum to Rolefish.
he says while talking about PRs :P
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The vig doesn't need to claim. We just say he shoots faust, and hope our vig is smart and does it. Mafia can't do anything about it.
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The vig doesn't need to claim. We just say he shoots faust, and hope our vig is smart and does it. Mafia can't do anything about it.
Well unless it is like unanimous that the vig NK's a particular person I don't see how it would work in reality.
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The vig doesn't need to claim. We just say he shoots faust, and hope our vig is smart and does it. Mafia can't do anything about it.
mime has a JK though. let's not try to direct the shot.
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The vig doesn't need to claim. We just say he shoots faust, and hope our vig is smart and does it. Mafia can't do anything about it.
What if the vig doesn't think faust is scum/mime ? What if the vig is faust ?
It simply does not work without claiming, and claiming is probably awful.
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PRs should decide what to do to the best of their ability.
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The vig doesn't need to claim. We just say he shoots faust, and hope our vig is smart and does it. Mafia can't do anything about it.
mime has a JK though. let's not try to direct the shot.
Ah, but a failed directed shot straight up tells us that the agreed upon target is a mime (or possibly scum tonight).
The question for me is how valuable would it be to have a confirmed mime?
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I'm against directing the shot. If we direct it to a mime, they just jk it. The plus is it forces people to take a side on who they think should be nked which is useful, but I don't think it is worth it at all.
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I don't think we should lynch faust today. I feel like it's pretty obvious he isn't town. Let's just let the vig kill him! If he doesn't die, we know he's not town and it's either mafia's N1 bulletproof or Mime's 1-shot Bulletproof, and the vig can shoot him again tomorrow night. We don't have to worry about lynching somebody who is probably a mime, and we deal with him anyway.
I was thinking earlier that directing PRs isn't too bad in this setup, but you've just proven that it still is.
Let's not do any of that. Or let's, whatever the vig wants to do.
Are you wanting the vig to claim? Because that seems awful to me.
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I don't think we should lynch faust today. I feel like it's pretty obvious he isn't town. Let's just let the vig kill him! If he doesn't die, we know he's not town and it's either mafia's N1 bulletproof or Mime's 1-shot Bulletproof, and the vig can shoot him again tomorrow night. We don't have to worry about lynching somebody who is probably a mime, and we deal with him anyway.
I was thinking earlier that directing PRs isn't too bad in this setup, but you've just proven that it still is.
Let's not do any of that. Or let's, whatever the vig wants to do.
Are you wanting the vig to claim? Because that seems awful to me.
Not sure how you could possibly think that based on this post, but no.
I said elsewhere that the only way it could work would be to claim which would be awful, but I had forgotten about the JK thing, so that'd be even worse.
gkrieg, do you have non-theory thoughts ?
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Sorry I've just been following on my phone. I get back tomorrow and can really get into this game. Ok I get back at 23:00 tomorrow so probably the next day. I posted a reads list because pulling together quotes is impossible at the moment. I don't feel like Faust is being scummy. I'll have to check the people voting for him later
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Any questions for me, Tep? I'll be back in about 2 hours with more thoughts. I think we can make a great decision for a lynchee N1.
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Any questions for me, Tep? I'll be back in about 2 hours with more thoughts. I think we can make a great decision for a lynchee N1.
Thoughts on chairs ?
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Any questions for me, Tep? I'll be back in about 2 hours with more thoughts. I think we can make a great decision for a lynchee N1.
scumimeslip?
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Any questions for me, Tep? I'll be back in about 2 hours with more thoughts. I think we can make a great decision for a lynchee N1.
scumimeslip?
For future reference, "scum" means "non-town" basically, so it includes mimes. At least that's how I've been using it.
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Any questions for me, Tep? I'll be back in about 2 hours with more thoughts. I think we can make a great decision for a lynchee N1.
scumimeslip?
For future reference, "scum" means "non-town" basically, so it includes mimes. At least that's how I've been using it.
That not only makes sense, but will also make all such discussion much easier in the future.
...As was intended by your post
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Vote Count 1.6
“A corpse is meat gone bad. Well and what's cheese? Corpse of milk. ”― James Joyce, Ulysses
Faust (2): silverspawn, Seprix
QuickSynch (2): XP, chairs
Witherweaver (2): gkrieg13, Ghacob
Awaclus (2): QuickSync, Witherweaver
silverspawn (1): faust
chairs (1): Teproc
XP (1): Awaclus
Not Voting (2): EgorK, Sudgy
With 13 alive, it takes 7 to lynch, 7 to no-lynch.
Day 1 ends August 27, 6 PM Forum Time.
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Prod request on EgorK
Could everyone please stop talking about nonsense and start talking about reads and such. For example, I think silver is scum. Who agrees, who disagrees? Why?
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Ah, but a failed directed shot straight up tells us that the agreed upon target is a mime (or possibly scum tonight).
The question for me is how valuable would it be to have a confirmed mime?
Not if the vig is the agreed upon target and targets someone else.
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Ah, but a failed directed shot straight up tells us that the agreed upon target is a mime (or possibly scum tonight).
The question for me is how valuable would it be to have a confirmed mime?
Not if the vig is the agreed upon target and targets someone else.
Can you STOP IT ALREADY?
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Any questions for me, Tep? I'll be back in about 2 hours with more thoughts. I think we can make a great decision for a lynchee N1.
Thoughts on chairs ?
Holy crap, is he scummy! I just read him. He changed his vote quintillions of times and he provide minimal information (if any) into his reads. It doesn't look town!chairs. Eek.
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Um...? What do you think town Chairs looks like? That feels like a very forced read.
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Is that what Chairs always looks like?
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Is that what Chairs always looks like?
Well, I'd argue that usually I look like this:
(https://images.duckduckgo.com/iu/?u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.appleridgeamishfurniture.com%2Fimages%2Fchairs%2FAC5-6%2520QUAKER.gif&f=1)
But I'm trying to modernize.
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Well, this is interesting (TM).
vote: Seprix
I had voted chairs earlier because I thought he wasn't being quite as active as he is when he's town. town!chairs is controversial, scum!chairs is mroe discrete I think. I wanted to see reactions on that vote but that kinda failed.
But what Seprix just did is much bigger for me. Him asking me to ask him a question really stands out to me, like Seprix wants to get town cred for being active but doesn't know what to say, so he's looking for something to talk about. I suppose that's something town could want to do too but I have a hard time seeing town!Seprix specifically asking someone to prompt him, especially me as I'd expect him to still be paranoid about me after Pony Mafia.
And then he votes chairs for a reason that feels, as WW pointed out, incredibly forced. chairs votes were mostly RVS or not serious, it's not like he's been sheeping/wagonning all over the place.
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To get serious for a moment, or at least as serious as I can muster as Town on D1: I find it difficult to be serious as Town on D1. I also (as scum) don't hold up well to pressure on D1 because I get this intense feeling of being completely caught as soon as I get a couple votes on me.
I realize that noting I'm aware of this meta/problem suggests I could potentially change/emulate, but unfortunately this is something I have been unable to do (well, insofar as the Town part - I"m not sure I've been scum in any recent games where I've had D1 pressure).
Seprix does feel awfully fake - maybe mime fake?
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Regardless, we just have to avoid lynching both mimes, and Seprix does feel very forced, so a D1 mime lynch isn't the end of the world.
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even if seprix is scummy, he's not nearly as scummy as faust.
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Silver going after Faust like this is more of town!Silver thing than a scum!Silver thing.
I don't really understand why Faust is scummy, though.
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I would be able to commit some time to this game starting tomorrow, sorry everyone
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I don't really understand why Faust is scummy, though.
how is starting off by not contributing and then changing that upon receiving pressure something town!faust would ever do?
also, why would town!faust say I'm scum here? He would know better.
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even if seprix is scummy, he's not nearly as scummy as faust.
Seprix is much more likely to be mafia than faust though. So is chairs, to a lesser extent, and WW even.
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I don't really understand why Faust is scummy, though.
how is starting off by not contributing and then changing that upon receiving pressure something town!faust would ever do?
also, why would town!faust say I'm scum here? He would know better.
He started off nonserious early Day 1; I don't see the problem here.
My guess for why Faust went after you was some kind of "who is looking for the easy mislynch?" type of thinking. And, you could be scum.
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even if seprix is scummy, he's not nearly as scummy as faust.
Seprix is much more likely to be mafia than faust though. So is chairs, to a lesser extent, and WW even.
Maybe we should all vote Chairs, because I hear he doesn't stand up well to Day 1 pressure.
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even if seprix is scummy, he's not nearly as scummy as faust.
Seprix is much more likely to be mafia than faust though. So is chairs, to a lesser extent, and WW even.
none of them is nearly as likely to be mafia than faust
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*as faust
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This is getting ridiculous. silver, if nobody agrees with you, maybe you should start questioning yourself.
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This is getting ridiculous. silver, if nobody agrees with you, maybe you should start questioning yourself.
another out of character thing for faust to say. first of all, seprix is agreeing with me. second of all, it'S normal to tunnel people to try to convince them. and thirdly, no-one is agreeing with you either.
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This is getting ridiculous. silver, if nobody agrees with you, maybe you should start questioning yourself.
another out of character thing for faust to say. first of all, seprix is agreeing with me. second of all, it'S normal to tunnel people to try to convince them. and thirdly, no-one is agreeing with you either.
Noone has been disagreeing with me either.
And yeah, Seprix is agreeing with you. That should make you feel really comfortable.
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And yeah, Seprix is agreeing with you. That should make you feel really comfortable.
good. so you confess?
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I think Faust and SS are both town honestly.
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Both faust and silverspawn feel a bit weird here to me. I guess it could be a staged fight by scum.
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Both faust and silverspawn feel a bit weird here to me. I guess it could be a staged fight by scum.
You think their interaction was weird? Cuz I actually feel it came off as a really genuine Town vs. Town interaction.
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Both faust and silverspawn feel a bit weird here to me. I guess it could be a staged fight by scum.
You think their interaction was weird? Cuz I actually feel it came off as a really genuine Town vs. Town interaction.
Yes. Usually they both are making a lot of sense, now they aren't.
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Both faust and silverspawn feel a bit weird here to me. I guess it could be a staged fight by scum.
You think their interaction was weird? Cuz I actually feel it came off as a really genuine Town vs. Town interaction.
Yes. Usually they both are making a lot of sense, now they aren't.
These are my thoughts as well.
((Wait a minute. Why am I agreeing with the mime?))
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Both faust and silverspawn feel a bit weird here to me. I guess it could be a staged fight by scum.
Do you think they're mimes?
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vote: Seprix
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Asking if anyone has any specific questions isn't scummy. Also, I would have had a nice long post here a couple of days ago but I've been slammed by college at the moment.
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Reads list (though very poor, I'm doing one anyways)
QS: Town
XP: Town/Mime
Awaclus: Scummy
WW: Townie
SS: Scummy/Mimie
Ghacob: Null
Faust: Null/Townie
Chairs: Null/Townie
gkrieg: Town
EgorK: ??
Teproc: Town
Sudgy: Town
Seprix: Scummy
Updated reads after rereading the thread:
QS: Town
XP: Town/Null
Awaclus: Playing a lot of mime games by "perfectly emulating his Mime meta" Null
WW: Townie
SS: Townie/Town
Ghecob: incredibly Null
Faust: Null
Chairs: Totally see why people want to pressure him and am inclined to think the people that want to do this are town. Null
gkreig: Null/Townie
Teproc: Town
Sudgy: Scum
Seprix: Null
Vote: Sudgy
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Reads list (though very poor, I'm doing one anyways)
QS: Town
XP: Town/Mime
Awaclus: Scummy
WW: Townie
SS: Scummy/Mimie
Ghacob: Null
Faust: Null/Townie
Chairs: Null/Townie
gkrieg: Town
EgorK: ??
Teproc: Town
Sudgy: Town
Seprix: Scummy
Updated reads after rereading the thread:
QS: Town
XP: Town/Null
Awaclus: Playing a lot of mime games by "perfectly emulating his Mime meta" Null
WW: Townie
SS: Townie/Town
Ghecob: incredibly Null
Faust: Null
Chairs: Totally see why people want to pressure him and am inclined to think the people that want to do this are town. Null
gkreig: Null/Townie
Teproc: Town
Sudgy: Scum
Seprix: Null
Vote: Sudgy
Interesting that your reads list changed to mainly null after the post about scum having non null reads lists.
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Why did QuickSync back up on me? I mean, there are some people voting for me now, and all of a sudden he stops his attack and reads me as null?
Sorry, sorry. Getting right on rereading the thread.
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Why do you think Sudgy is scum?
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Vote Count 1.7:
“The loneliest moment in someone’s life is when they are watching their whole world fall apart, and all they can do is stare blankly.” ― F. Scott Fitzgerald, The Great Gatsby
Faust (2): silverspawn, Seprix
QuickSync (1): chairs
Witherweaver (2): gkrieg13, Ghacob
Awaclus (1): Witherweaver
silverspawn (1): faust
XP (1): Awaclus
Seprix (2): Teproc, XP
sudgy (1): QuickSync
Not Voting (2): EgorK, sudgy
With 13 alive, it takes 7 to lynch.
Day 1 will end at 6:00 p.m. on August 27, 2015.
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Why do you think Sudgy is scum?
To put it in the briefest way I can think of, I just expect better from him and him not living up to that, to me, is an indication that he is scum.
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Do you think they're mimes?
Well, my opinions about this are not very strong and somewhat difficult to explain, but I'll try anyway.
Assuming that the only information we have about their alignments is the setup post (i.e. just the mathematical probabilities — so this can be applied to any two players at this point):
- The odds that at least one of them is scum are ~58%
- The odds that they both are scum are ~9%
- The odds that they are from two different scum teams are ~6%
- The odds that they are scum from the same team are ~3% (~1.5% for any given team)
So it doesn't look incredibly likely that they both are mimes. I think that their interactions have made it somewhat more likely that they both are mimes, but I wouldn't say that I think that they're mimes. I think it's more likely that they are both mafia, but I still wouldn't say that I think they're both mafia.
In any case, their behavior has been weird for certain IMO. The possible explanations are:
1) They're both town and they happen to act weird in this game for whatever reason
I don't like the explanation that they're acting weird despite being town. However, I could accept the explanation that they're not really acting all that weird and I'm just thinking that it's weird even though it's not, given how likely it is purely from the mathematical point of view that they're both town.
2) One of them is acting weird because he's scum, the other one is acting weird despite being town
The above applies for this, but I like this explanation a lot more, because it involves me being 50% less mistaken about their weirdness and it's also mathematically the most likely scenario. If this is the situation, I think it's super hard to say which one of them is the scum, and if he's mafia or mime, since I think they are being approximately equally weird and there's an incentive to do this as both scum alignments. But I think that the one who started OMGUSing first (i.e. silverspawn) might be a little bit more likely to be a mime, in case he is the scum, but OTOH a mime might also want to start a nonsense fight and a mafioso might OMGUS either because of the pressure, and/or because he thinks that purposefully avoiding OMGUSing would look worse.
3) Both of them are acting weird because they're scum from different teams
I also like this explanation. The odds are a lot smaller here, but they aren't negligibly small. The above about silverspawn being more likely to be a mime and faust being more likely to be a mafioso also applies here.
4) Both of them are acting weird because it's a staged fight
I hate how unlikely this is, because this is clearly the best explanation, since the other explanations involve at least one of them playing not as well as I'd expect from them. This is probably at least a decent play for both teams, since the mafia benefits from having the interactions, and the mimes benefit from managing to get the other mime lynched. I feel like this is very significantly more likely than the 3%, like maybe something like 10-20%. But even then it's not very likely.
Anyway, lynching one of them doesn't seem to be the worst play ever. If I had to choose from these 2, I'd lynch faust. I still wouldn't lynch him over XP.
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I fell asleep writing. Now I have to start from scratch, but whatever.
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Both faust and silverspawn feel a bit weird here to me. I guess it could be a staged fight by scum.
You think their interaction was weird? Cuz I actually feel it came off as a really genuine Town vs. Town interaction.
How did it happen then that your read on me changed from null/townie to null?
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even if seprix is scummy, he's not nearly as scummy as faust.
Seprix is much more likely to be mafia than faust though. So is chairs, to a lesser extent, and WW even.
none of them is nearly as likely to be mafia than faust
I feel like playing a game with ashersky, but without the good parts of it.
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Rather than posting lengthy fluff posts, I would like for you to point out why you think our interaction is "weird".
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I think Faust and SS are both town honestly.
Faust: Null
Yeah, so this doesn't quite sync up (ha,ha). I continue to believe that Quickie is town.
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Rather than posting lengthy fluff posts, I would like for you to point out why you think our interaction is "weird".
I'm sure you would.
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Did I mention
Vote: Awaclus?
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Rather than posting lengthy fluff posts, I would like for you to point out why you think our interaction is "weird".
I'm sure you would.
Man, you've gotta stop this. You might not think it's anti-town, but everyone else does, and you getting lynched does no one any good (assuming you're town).
Not sure why faust is overreacting to silver so much. I think that means faust is town ? Have a hard time imagining scum!faust do that.
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Why do you think Sudgy is scum?
To put it in the briefest way I can think of, I just expect better from him and him not living up to that, to me, is an indication that he is scum.
What do you think I could do? I'm not too good at this game, and I don't really see how bad play makes you think someone is scum (I could see bad play making you want to lynch someone though)
I will reread the thread and maybe post a reads list later. I have a lot of stuff going on.
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Did I mention
Vote: Awaclus?
We're getting close to deadline and there's not a wagon to speak of really. We def need to lynch someone today.
Vote: Awaclus
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Faust is a much better lynch than Awaclus. I mean, have you read what he's been saying?
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Faust is a much better lynch than Awaclus. I mean, have you read what he's been saying?
o_O Why do you think I'm scummy?
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I don't like the Awaclus wagon. Here's the thing: For a player who usually gets mislynched, the best play as mime is to emulate your usual play, because chances are you'll get lynched at some point.
I think Awaclus is pretty much his usual self. That means he can be town just being himself, he can be mime just being himself, or he can be mafia!Awaclus trying to appear like he usually does. I don't see mafia!Awaclus really (I believe the long post from earlier is something mafia!Awaclus would shy away from). So he's town or mime. Not a great lynch in either case.
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The mime team is really neat conceptually, and is throwing an interesting wrench into our gameplay here.
vote: faust. Your concern about mimes, specifically, feels scummy to me.
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So here are my thoughts on rereading the first 4 pages(50 per page) of the thread. XP comes off horribly scummy for his VT/not VT/whatever claim. He says that it is boring to not be scum/mime in this setup, regardless of the PR. I disagree with that, but whatever. In college mafia, he wasn't very scummy, because I think he paid more attention that game to his posting than he did here. This claim here is kinda similar to the claim he had on the first day of mist born mafia, for which he was lynched D1, because of claiming third party because he didn't read the win condition carefully. So it's hard for me to call on this one, because in the two games I've played, he got lynched when he was town because he acted scummy, or not lynched because he was scum and was paying more attention. I don't think anyone is scummy at all for being on his wagon.
QuickSync comes off as very scummy as well, but this is more of an aggressive scummy, caused by his interactions with other people. I think it is more of a different site meta scummy because I didn't see anything glaring with his voting, or with his reasoning, or necessarily with his reads lists. He does go from having lots of town reads, to having null reads after the discussion on how town should have lots of null reads at the beginning because they have limited/no information. I'm still on the fence if the reads lists give him town cred or make him scummier.
I still feel like WW is scummy. This is mainly just a gut read for me, but there is just something about him.
I'll reread the second half of the thread later today, or right now if we don't leave to go to lunch soon.
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Man, you've gotta stop this. You might not think it's anti-town, but everyone else does, and you getting lynched does no one any good (assuming you're town).
I'm not getting lynched today. Vote: Teproc
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Ok mainly just looked at the main interactions from the middle of the game. I feel like the two major ones were Seprix/QS and Faust/ss. Coming out of it QS seems scummier and scummier. His reads of people seem forced, he seems to be fake scum hunting. He is definitely my top lynch today. Seprix comes out of this townier for me.
Faust is definitely different. I don't understand why he would be different, considering the mafia/vig would be more likely to shoot weird!Faust than ExtremelyUsefulTown!Faust. So it seems like as town, you would want to be the best town!self you could be. ss going at him like that makes me feel like he is town, but not very strong town. It puts me on the fence about him, like he's on my watch list.
Other things that stuck out to me: Teproc seems towny. I haven't read pony-mafia very much but this seems like what I followed of him in college mafia. His reads seem good and well founded.
Chairs seems like chairs did in mist born mafia. Not super useful the first day, but he makes pretty good reads.
null from sudgy. I'll have to put ww in the null category for now. Nothing from EgorK. Null on Awaclus. Awa seems like a pretty stylized player so I have no idea how to read him. He's kinda like mail-mi to me.
vote: QuickSync
PPE
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The mime team is really neat conceptually, and is throwing an interesting wrench into our gameplay here.
vote: faust. Your concern about mimes, specifically, feels scummy to me.
I am not specifically concerned about mimes.
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I don't like the Awaclus wagon. Here's the thing: For a player who usually gets mislynched, the best play as mime is to emulate your usual play, because chances are you'll get lynched at some point.
I think Awaclus is pretty much his usual self. That means he can be town just being himself, he can be mime just being himself, or he can be mafia!Awaclus trying to appear like he usually does. I don't see mafia!Awaclus really (I believe the long post from earlier is something mafia!Awaclus would shy away from). So he's town or mime. Not a great lynch in either case.
Okay, this is not a bad point.
What's a better wagon? I don't agree with you on Silver, though.
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For my own sanity and remembrance more than anything else:
"Day 1 ends August 27, 6 PM Forum Time."
leaving us with ~2 days, which we don't want to rush
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So here are my thoughts on rereading the first 4 pages(50 per page) of the thread. XP comes off horribly scummy for his VT/not VT/whatever claim. He says that it is boring to not be scum/mime in this setup, regardless of the PR. I disagree with that, but whatever. In college mafia, he wasn't very scummy, because I think he paid more attention that game to his posting than he did here. This claim here is kinda similar to the claim he had on the first day of mist born mafia, for which he was lynched D1, because of claiming third party because he didn't read the win condition carefully. So it's hard for me to call on this one, because in the two games I've played, he got lynched when he was town because he acted scummy, or not lynched because he was scum and was paying more attention. I don't think anyone is scummy at all for being on his wagon.
QuickSync comes off as very scummy as well, but this is more of an aggressive scummy, caused by his interactions with other people. I think it is more of a different site meta scummy because I didn't see anything glaring with his voting, or with his reasoning, or necessarily with his reads lists. He does go from having lots of town reads, to having null reads after the discussion on how town should have lots of null reads at the beginning because they have limited/no information. I'm still on the fence if the reads lists give him town cred or make him scummier.
I still feel like WW is scummy. This is mainly just a gut read for me, but there is just something about him.
I'll reread the second half of the thread later today, or right now if we don't leave to go to lunch soon.
Ok mainly just looked at the main interactions from the middle of the game. I feel like the two major ones were Seprix/QS and Faust/ss. Coming out of it QS seems scummier and scummier. His reads of people seem forced, he seems to be fake scum hunting. He is definitely my top lynch today. Seprix comes out of this townier for me.
Faust is definitely different. I don't understand why he would be different, considering the mafia/vig would be more likely to shoot weird!Faust than ExtremelyUsefulTown!Faust. So it seems like as town, you would want to be the best town!self you could be. ss going at him like that makes me feel like he is town, but not very strong town. It puts me on the fence about him, like he's on my watch list.
Other things that stuck out to me: Teproc seems towny. I haven't read pony-mafia very much but this seems like what I followed of him in college mafia. His reads seem good and well founded.
Chairs seems like chairs did in mist born mafia. Not super useful the first day, but he makes pretty good reads.
null from sudgy. I'll have to put ww in the null category for now. Nothing from EgorK. Null on Awaclus. Awa seems like a pretty stylized player so I have no idea how to read him. He's kinda like mail-mi to me.
vote: QuickSync
PPE
I honestly don't know whether to think you scummy or townie for these two posts :/
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@Awaclus: in past games you made this speech about how, as town, you just make short posts, while as scum, you find yourself making large posts without being able to stop them. How do you explain your large post here?
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I don't like how players are deflecting from the faust lynch. makes me want to do it more.
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Seprix' blind sheeping could be seen as scummy though. Depends on his reasoning.
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@Awaclus: in past games you made this speech about how, as town, you just make short posts, while as scum, you find yourself making large posts without being able to stop them. How do you explain your large post here?
It's not about making short posts or long posts, it's about explaining my reads. I did not explain my reads in that post.
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you also didn't really explain your reads in pony-mafia mafia though.
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you also didn't really explain your reads in pony-mafia mafia though.
That's why I don't really get why I got lynched in that game.
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you also didn't really explain your reads in pony-mafia mafia though.
That's why I don't really get why I got lynched in that game.
Because not explaining reads is a trivial meta to emulate.
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And you were (nevertheless) trying hard to emulate it there.
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Because not explaining reads is a trivial meta to emulate.
It was super difficult to delete the explanation I had for voting chairs every time I typed it up though (I think 3 or 4 times).
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Because not explaining reads is a trivial meta to emulate.
It was super difficult to delete the explanation I had for voting chairs every time I typed it up though (I think 3 or 4 times).
So how many times did you have to delete explaining yourself this game 8)
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So how many times did you have to delete explaining yourself this game 8)
0.
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you also didn't really explain your reads in pony-mafia mafia though.
That's why I don't really get why I got lynched in that game.
Because if your town!meta is tremendously anti-town, just imitating it isn't enough to survive.
I don't see how you not getting lynched today relates to you voting for me by the way.
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That being said, I agree with faust, lynching Awaclus seems bad.
Let's lynch Seprix instead. Or chairs. Or WW. Or Ghacob.
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lynching me is never good.
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Vote Count 1.8
“It is good that we do not have to try to kill the sun or the moon or the stars. It is enough to live on the sea and kill our true brothers.” ― Ernest Hemingway, The Old Man and the Sea
Faust (3): silverspawn, Seprix, chairs
Awaclus (2): Witherweaver, QuickSync
Seprix (2): Teproc, XP
Witherweaver (1): Ghacob
QuickSync (1): gkrieg13
Teproc (1): Awaclus
silverspawn (1): faust
Not Voting (2): EgorK, Sudgy
With 13 alive, it takes 7 to lynch, 7 to no-lynch.
Day 1 ends August 27, 6 PM Forum Time. That's in ~48 hours.
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Faust just seems to agressive here. Vote: faust
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I think Faust should be lynched. At worst, he is mime, but it's just so obvious. Town wouldn't play that way, no way. It's just so unhelpful. I can totally see him as masquerading as mime to be openly scum. He is a great lynch candidate. I agree with SS on this.
Oh no!!!!
vote: Faust
lol...
I voted for Faust way before, to anyone thinking I am tunneling him blindly.
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Seprix' blind sheeping could be seen as scummy though. Depends on his reasoning.
I find it interesting that you read my stuff on voting for Faust and then magically forgot it. So did you just read someone else say that I was being a blind sheep and go with it, or did you come up with that of your own accord? If so, that makes you dishonest or unaware, both bad for town and potentially scummy.
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I don't like lynching faust. He wouldn't be so clumsy as scum. He's been a bit out of character this game, he's so much more controlled as scum.
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If Faust is a mime, it's not the end of the world. The other Mime can still be killed via Vig or Mafia. It's a very low chance that both mimes will die.
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*die via lynch
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It's not so much that I'm afraid he's a mime, it's more that I really don't think he's scum, which is pretty much all that matters.
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really don't think he's mafia*
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Looks like I did that earlier too. Well, my whole thing about using scum as "non-town" isn't really holding up, I've gotten too used to using them interchangeably (if that's a word).
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Faust isn't stupid though. I'm very convinced he's scum trying to pose as a mime. It's just so obvious, I feel like he's doing a double take.
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Faust isn't stupid though. I'm very convinced he's scum trying to pose as a mime. It's just so obvious, I feel like he's doing a double take.
Exactly, he isn't stupid, and that's a stpid strategy as scum. If it works you don't get lynched, but you get vigged instead, congrats.
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Either way, Faust will never get lynched now because it's so obvious, and if no Vig targets him, he's going to hover above everyone's head all game.
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I do think we should be wary of lynching mimes even today. If we lynch one mime, I think it makes the odds of mimes winning go up by quite a bit. We shouldn't just not lynch anybody that's scummy, of course, but I don't think we should lynch someone like faust because he's so scummy he might be a mime. I will vote faust if that's the only lynch that would happen though.
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On one hand, I want to lynch Faust and ignore my brain because that's what Faust would know everyone is thinking.
On the other hand, my brain (and everyone else) seems to oppose this. I suppose it's better to let things play out and wait on the lynch. No reason to risk hitting a mime on a hunch on D1.
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I'm starting to get a Town read on Seprix now. Also getting my sudgy scum read stronger from him keeping the theory talk going more than it should.
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It seems highly likely to me that there is no mafia on Faust's wagon.
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Question: what are the real pros and cons to Awaclus "perfectly emulating his mime meta"?
Would really like some thoughts on this please.
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Question: what are the real pros and cons to Awaclus "perfectly emulating his mime meta"?
Would really like some thoughts on this please.
Personally my thoughts are that the pros and cons are the same. If he were scum or town or mime, he would be able to emulate it for different reasons.
town: emulates it because that is how he plays as town.
scum: emulates it because that is how he plays as town.
mime: emulates it because that is how he plays as town, and it's likely to get him lynched.
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town: emulates it because that is how he plays as town.
scum: emulates it because that is how he plays as town.
mime: emulates it because that is how he plays as town.
So... Awaclus is a completely misguided lynch with no actual evidence?
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Awaclus can wait until later. There are better options right now, and I'm sure there are other good cases besides Faust we can uncover.
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town: emulates it because that is how he plays as town.
scum: emulates it because that is how he plays as town.
mime: emulates it because that is how he plays as town.
So... Awaclus is a completely misguided lynch with no actual evidence?
I'm just saying that it makes him hard to read. I feel like there are a few people that when they play town, they don't play town very well so that it is easier for them to be mafia, because they already don't play town well so no one suspects them. Not saying that this is necessarily his reasons, but it is a reason I could see.
PPE
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Faust just seems to agressive here. Vote: faust
Too aggressive? Am I not aggressive as town? Of all the reasons I heard for lynching me today, this is the crappiest, and that's saying something. Congratulations.
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Either way, Faust will never get lynched now because it's so obvious, and if no Vig targets him, he's going to hover above everyone's head all game.
It's funny you say that I will never get lynched when I'm the only viable wagon.
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Vote: Seprix as there doesn't seem to be any support for silver.
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It seems highly likely to me that there is no mafia on Faust's wagon.
What is the reason for this? Illuminate me.
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Question: what are the real pros and cons to Awaclus "perfectly emulating his mime meta"?
Would really like some thoughts on this please.
Well, for scum!Awaclus, I think it didn't really work out great for him to do that - he gets lynched fairly often. As town, man, I would seriously encourage changing of meta, but Awaclus is too afraid to do that (or so he said some time before, I don't remember where). And I think mime!Awaclus will play exactly like town!Awaclus to get lynched.
So in short: I think Awaclus has more reason to play the way he does as mime or town than he does as scum.
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EgorK: Do you have thoughts on, like, anything?
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It seems highly likely to me that there is no mafia on Faust's wagon.
What is the reason for this? Illuminate me.
I could make an essay right now, but that would be a lot of work and could just end up being pissed on. The TL;DR version is that I have town reads on all those people.
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It seems highly likely to me that there is no mafia on Faust's wagon.
What is the reason for this? Illuminate me.
I could make an essay right now, but that would be a lot of work and could just end up being pissed on. The TL;DR version is that I have town reads on all those people.
So the fact that they're all voting for me is just contingent, huh?
I wonder how you managed to get a town read on Seprix though, and even more how you managed to get any read at all on Egor.
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It seems highly likely to me that there is no mafia on Faust's wagon.
What is the reason for this? Illuminate me.
I could make an essay right now, but that would be a lot of work and could just end up being pissed on. The TL;DR version is that I have town reads on all those people.
So the fact that they're all voting for me is just contingent, huh?
I wonder how you managed to get a town read on Seprix though, and even more how you managed to get any read at all on Egor.
Wise man.
Egor is the one that I have the weakest read on and its just barely past null.
I never said you was scum tho.
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So it's basically just a lot of town piled up on town who is in return voting town?
You don't have a lot of faith in our scumhunting abilities, do you?
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Just checked where your vote is. Man, our reads are like completely opposite. I believe that literally everyone on my wagon is a better lynch than Awaclus.
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So it's basically just a lot of town piled up on town who is in return voting town?
You don't have a lot of faith in our scumhunting abilities, do you?
No true at all. Every site does what they do best and every site has a little bit different way of doing it. Plus I've only really played in 2 games here so what I would think would be a pretty poor assessment if I was going to make a judgement at this point in time.
Just checked where your vote is. Man, our reads are like completely opposite. I believe that literally everyone on my wagon is a better lynch than Awaclus.
Why? I'm going off that Awaclus is making too much of a game out of his own meta and I don't like that, it looks scummy to me.
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Just checked where your vote is. Man, our reads are like completely opposite. I believe that literally everyone on my wagon is a better lynch than Awaclus.
Why? I'm going off that Awaclus is making too much of a game out of his own meta and I don't like that, it looks scummy to me.
Well, I get wanting to lynch Awaclus upon first encounter. The way he plays is probably anti-town. Only I've played a couple of games with him now and that's just the way he is. You can find it annoying, but it's not possible to really tell alignment from that.
So Awaclus is still pretty null to me. And here's my wagon:
silver: Uncharacteristically pushing a really bad argument for me being scum. Ignoring everything else. town!silver usually doesn't tunnel that much.
Seprix: I have a scummy feeling, but I don't quite recall where that's coming from. Gotta check.
chairs: His reads so far seem off.
Egor: Easily even more anti-town than Awaclus.
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Why? I'm going off that Awaclus is making too much of a game out of his own meta and I don't like that, it looks scummy to me.
I make too much of a game out of my own meta especially as town.
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If Faust is a mime, it's not the end of the world. The other Mime can still be killed via Vig or Mafia. It's a very low chance that both mimes will die.
This makes me think that if faust is mime, which is unlikely, Seprix is his partner
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If Faust is a mime, it's not the end of the world. The other Mime can still be killed via Vig or Mafia. It's a very low chance that both mimes will die.
This makes me think that if faust is mime, which is unlikely, Seprix is his partner
Do you have anything valuable to add?
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If Faust is a mime, it's not the end of the world. The other Mime can still be killed via Vig or Mafia. It's a very low chance that both mimes will die.
This makes me think that if faust is mime, which is unlikely, Seprix is his partner
Do you have anything valuable to add?
You look like typical scum that is voted upon for wrong reasons, really
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If Faust is a mime, it's not the end of the world. The other Mime can still be killed via Vig or Mafia. It's a very low chance that both mimes will die.
This makes me think that if faust is mime, which is unlikely, Seprix is his partner
Do you have anything valuable to add?
You look like typical scum that is voted upon for wrong reasons, really
.. this is a weird analysis. Faust's latest responses make him look townier if anything.
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Okay so PoE since I'm sure Voltaire is somewhere pining for it.
People I don't want to lynch today: Silverspawn, QuickSync, Faust, Teproc, Gkrieg(?), and maybe Seprix too.
Who does that leave?
Looks like: EgorK, Chairs, XP, Ghacob, Sudgy, Awaclus,
I'd be happy lynching any of those. Though really Awaclus is feeling a little bit less forced than in his last scum game, so that preference isn't as strong.
We need more from Ghacob, XP (he disappeared after the early part of the game).
Vote: Ghacob
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Though honestly I'm happy lynching Awaclus unconditionally Day 1 of any Mafia game until he changes his meta.
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If Faust is a mime, it's not the end of the world. The other Mime can still be killed via Vig or Mafia. It's a very low chance that both mimes will die.
This makes me think that if faust is mime, which is unlikely, Seprix is his partner
Do you have anything valuable to add?
You look like typical scum that is voted upon for wrong reasons, really
Just out of curiosity: What do you think these wrong reasons would be? Can youlink me to a game with similar behaviour to maybe illustrate your point?
And do you have any thoughts on players in this game whose name doesn't end with aust?
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Though honestly I'm happy lynching Awaclus unconditionally Day 1 of any Mafia game until he changes his meta.
I don't know. I like Awaclus's meta better than a lot of the lurker metas out there.
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WW, could you tell me why you don't want to vote gkrieg? I don't remember anything about him.
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Faust is making sense now. Vote: silverspawn
Also fine with lynching XP, EgorK or Teproc.
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WW, could you tell me why you don't want to vote gkrieg? I don't remember anything about him.
Hmm.. he's had longer posts with reads, and they felt sort of genuine to me. Doesn't seem too scummy. He's a weaker "don't want to lynch" read.
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Faust is making sense now. Vote: silverspawn
Also fine with lynching XP, EgorK or Teproc.
Why teproc?
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Faust is making sense now. Vote: silverspawn
Also fine with lynching XP, EgorK or Teproc.
Why teproc?
Awaclus/Teproc mime team!
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Faust is making sense now. Vote: silverspawn
Also fine with lynching XP, EgorK or Teproc.
Why teproc?
Because he's scummy.
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How so?
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How so?
That might be because he's scum.
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How so?
That might be because he's scum.
How so?
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How so?
That might be because he's scum.
How so?
Well, if he is scum, then that's because of the randomization before the start of the game.
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Vote: Awaclus
Lynch all annoying people.
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You're trying so hard to get lynched... Just like Faust... No way Mime is that obvious...? Ugh.
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Yes, Awaclus has this very annoying belief that his town self doesn't make cases so he refuses to make them because apparently a witch has cast a spell on him forbiding him to change forever.
It's annoying. It's anti-town. It doesn't mean much as far as his alignment goes however.
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It doesn't have to be a case, just some level of insight.
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k, faust is off my table for today, his analysis looks solid. I thought I was voting QS already rather than faust though?
Debating ss v seprix for my vote atm.
vote: seprix while I consider.
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vote count please!
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ugh. Are you guys really giving faust town cred for his latest posts?
this is scum!faust trying to imitiate his town meta. He's purposefully aggressive, but it doesn't feel right. He's scum here. These last posts have made my read even stronger. And he doesn't look like a mime now, either.
Awaclus is not a lynch I support. gkrieg or something could be an okay alternative.
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silver: Uncharacteristically pushing a really bad argument for me being scum.
dishonest and manipulative
Ignoring everything else.
wrong
town!silver usually doesn't tunnel that much.
wrong. sure I do. In mistborn, I made a pretty big cause out of nowhere on e and got him lynched. That's very recent.
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If Faust is a mime, it's not the end of the world. The other Mime can still be killed via Vig or Mafia. It's a very low chance that both mimes will die.
This makes me think that if faust is mime, which is unlikely, Seprix is his partner
Do you have anything valuable to add?
too much. too much.
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ugh. Are you guys really giving faust town cred for his latest posts?
this is scum!faust trying to imitiate his town meta. He's purposefully aggressive, but it doesn't feel right. He's scum here. These last posts have made my read even stronger. And he doesn't look like a mime now, either.
Awaclus is not a lynch I support. gkrieg or something could be an okay alternative.
Why me?
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blending in, no reason to make me think you're town. that's all.
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Vote Count 1.9:
“Oh, you should never, never doubt what nobody is sure about.” ― Hilaire Belloc
Faust (3): silverspawn, Seprix, EgorK
Witherweaver (1): Ghacob
Awaclus (2): QuickSync, Witherweaver
Seprix (4): Teproc, XP, faust, chairs
QuickSync (1): gkrieg13
silverspawn (1): Awaclus
Not Voting (1): sudgy
With 13 alive, it takes 7 to lynch.
Day 1 will end at 6:00 p.m. on August 27, 2015. That’s in ~27 hours.
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I'm going to jump on Vote: Awaclus as well. He hasn't been helping at all.
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I'm going to jump on Vote: Awaclus as well. He hasn't been helping at all.
I have been helping.
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I'm going to jump on Vote: Awaclus as well. He hasn't been helping at all.
I have been helping.
lies.
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ugh. Are you guys really giving faust town cred for his latest posts?
this is scum!faust trying to imitiate his town meta. He's purposefully aggressive, but it doesn't feel right. He's scum here. These last posts have made my read even stronger. And he doesn't look like a mime now, either.
Awaclus is not a lynch I support. gkrieg or something could be an okay alternative.
Does the word confirmation bias ring a bell?
Not sure about yo being scum anymore. It appears more and more that you're just wrong.
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I'm going to jump on Vote: Awaclus as well. He hasn't been helping at all.
Neither has EgorK. Why don't you vote for him?
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I'm going to jump on Vote: Awaclus as well. He hasn't been helping at all.
Why do you think that is something scum (read: mafia) would do?
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I'm going to jump on Vote: Awaclus as well. He hasn't been helping at all.
Why do you think that is something scum (read: mafia) would do?
This is really easy to answer.
If you're not part of the solution, you're part of the problem.
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If he's not scum, then he's at least not a bad town lynch.
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If you're not part of the solution, you're part of the problem.
I am a part of the solution though. Just because I don't tell you what I'm thinking, it doesn't mean that I'm not thinking anything.
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If you're not part of the solution, you're part of the problem.
I am a part of the solution though. Just because I don't tell you what I'm thinking, it doesn't mean that I'm not thinking anything.
Then quit doing the equivalent of dodging the Vietnam draft. You're in the war, now fight.
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Then quit doing the equivalent of dodging the Vietnam draft. You're in the war, now fight.
No, this is more like the equivalent of not exposing your country's military secrets to the enemy.
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If you're not part of the solution, you're part of the problem.
I am a part of the solution though. Just because I don't tell you what I'm thinking, it doesn't mean that I'm not thinking anything.
Do you seriously not see that not explaining your thought only works for some people and you are not one of those people?
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Do you seriously not see that not explaining your thought only works for some people and you are not one of those people?
I don't think that's the case.
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Do you seriously not see that not explaining your thought only works for some people and you are not one of those people?
I don't think that's the case.
Thanks for proving my point by not explaining anything. :/
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If you're not part of the solution, you're part of the problem.
I am a part of the solution though. Just because I don't tell you what I'm thinking, it doesn't mean that I'm not thinking anything.
Do you seriously not see that not explaining your thought only works for some people and you are not one of those people?
Maybe he just wants you to make a deal?
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If you're not part of the solution, you're part of the problem.
I am a part of the solution though. Just because I don't tell you what I'm thinking, it doesn't mean that I'm not thinking anything.
Do you seriously not see that not explaining your thought only works for some people and you are not one of those people?
Maybe he just wants you to make a deal?
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Please God, no.
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But seriously, vote: Awaclus.
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I am coming - college orientation is almost over, I'll reread today or tomorrow morning.
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Teproc/Faust/Chairs/gkrieg/ghacob are towny
ww/egorK are null
silverspawn/Quiksync/Seprix are scummy
Awaclus/sudgy are mimey
For now, this'll have to do.
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The day's ending soon, but it looks like the wagon I'm currently on is the most popular, so I'll stay.
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Sedge's awaclus vote especially looks like a partner interaction with Awaclus, but that's not much use until he flips.
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Faust is making sense - that's a town tell for him. Teproc too, though he's more likely to make sense as scum too. ghacob and gkrieg are both gut town reads for me, just as awaclus is a gut mime read (WIFOM interferes enough there's no real case for it)
QuikSync's read change is a major reason I'm thinking him scummy.
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Teproc/Faust/Chairs/gkrieg/ghacob are towny
ww/egorK are null
silverspawn/Quiksync/Seprix are scummy
Awaclus/sudgy are mimey
For now, this'll have to do.
Lazy and easy for scum to create, but you've had a long day, whatever excuse, I'll give a pass.
The day's ending soon, but it looks like the wagon I'm currently on is the most popular, so I'll stay.
Okay... Stay on a wagon because it's popular? That's like sooooo scummy.
You haven't posted much in terms of reads or anything, to be honest. You've been kind of clowning around, and now you post some shoddy reads list with no explanation and you even proclaim you'll stay on a wagon because it's 'popular', regardless of what might be wrong or right.
PPE: 2
Faust is making sense - that's a town tell for him. Teproc too, though he's more likely to make sense as scum too. ghacob and gkrieg are both gut town reads for me, just as awaclus is a gut mime read (WIFOM interferes enough there's no real case for it)
QuikSync's read change is a major reason I'm thinking him scummy.
Well, now the reads are coming in, but that 'popular wagon' thing was pretty bad thb.
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Sedge's awaclus vote especially looks like a partner interaction with Awaclus, but that's not much use until he flips.
This may be simple, but I want to hear it from you. Why would Mime vote mime?
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Axxle replaces EgorK.
24 hours have been added to the deadline. New deadline is at 6 P.M. forum time, August 28. ~42 hours from now.
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Vote Count 1.10
She may count three little daisies very well
By multiplying to either six nine or fourteen
Or she can be well mentioned as twelve
Which they may like which they can like soon
Or more than ever which they wish as a button
Just as much as they arrange which they wish
Or they can attire where they need as which say
Can they call a hat or a hat a day
Made merry because it is so. ― Gertrude Stein, Stanzas in Meditation
Awaclus (4): QuickSync, Witherweaver, sudgy, chairs
Seprix (3): Teproc, XP, Faust
Faust (3): silverspawn, Seprix, Axxle
silverspawn (1): Awaclus
Witherweaver (1): Ghacob
QuickSync (1): gkrieg13
With 13 alive, it takes 7 to lynch, 7 to no-lynch.
Day 1 ends August 28, 6 PM Forum Time. That's in ~42 hours.
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Welcome, Axxle!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IqG1l4lScsg
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Yo
I've been half paying attention to the game, but from I've seen like my vote where it is. If someone can give a *very* brief rundown of the wagons I'd appreciate it. I mean no more than a short paragraph each.
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Also I haven't read the last few pages so, yeah.
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Teproc/Faust/Chairs/gkrieg/ghacob are towny
ww/egorK are null
silverspawn/Quiksync/Seprix are scummy
Awaclus/sudgy are mimey
For now, this'll have to do.
Lazy and easy for scum to create, but you've had a long day, whatever excuse, I'll give a pass.
The day's ending soon, but it looks like the wagon I'm currently on is the most popular, so I'll stay.
Okay... Stay on a wagon because it's popular? That's like sooooo scummy.
You haven't posted much in terms of reads or anything, to be honest. You've been kind of clowning around, and now you post some shoddy reads list with no explanation and you even proclaim you'll stay on a wagon because it's 'popular', regardless of what might be wrong or right.
PPE: 2
Faust is making sense - that's a town tell for him. Teproc too, though he's more likely to make sense as scum too. ghacob and gkrieg are both gut town reads for me, just as awaclus is a gut mime read (WIFOM interferes enough there's no real case for it)
QuikSync's read change is a major reason I'm thinking him scummy.
Well, now the reads are coming in, but that 'popular wagon' thing was pretty bad thb.
vote: sephix
I see zero town motivation in this post and a ton of scum shade.
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Vig annoying players, don't lynch them.
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bad bad bad. There's almost no way Seprix is scum here.
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All the wagons are awful.
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bad bad bad. There's almost no way Seprix is scum here.
What makes you say that?
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I don't feel terribly hot about the Seprix wagon though.
Vote: WW I think.
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I feel fine with my vote. Seprix is very, very different this game, and not in a way that meks me think he's a mime at all. I think scum!Seprix has more incentive to play very differentely than town!Seprix in this game
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actually, disregard what I said about Seprix. I switched up games....
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Well, I'd rather lynch Seprix than myself of course.
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Teproc/Faust/Chairs/gkrieg/ghacob are towny
ww/egorK are null
silverspawn/Quiksync/Seprix are scummy
Awaclus/sudgy are mimey
For now, this'll have to do.
Lazy and easy for scum to create, but you've had a long day, whatever excuse, I'll give a pass.
The day's ending soon, but it looks like the wagon I'm currently on is the most popular, so I'll stay.
Okay... Stay on a wagon because it's popular? That's like sooooo scummy.
You haven't posted much in terms of reads or anything, to be honest. You've been kind of clowning around, and now you post some shoddy reads list with no explanation and you even proclaim you'll stay on a wagon because it's 'popular', regardless of what might be wrong or right.
PPE: 2
Faust is making sense - that's a town tell for him. Teproc too, though he's more likely to make sense as scum too. ghacob and gkrieg are both gut town reads for me, just as awaclus is a gut mime read (WIFOM interferes enough there's no real case for it)
QuikSync's read change is a major reason I'm thinking him scummy.
Well, now the reads are coming in, but that 'popular wagon' thing was pretty bad thb.
vote: sephix
I see zero town motivation in this post and a ton of scum shade.
Why are you reading so much into a single post? Especially when it is Seprix? You changed you vote like 2-3 posts after saying you liked where your vote is. Wut?
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Sedge's awaclus vote especially looks like a partner interaction with Awaclus, but that's not much use until he flips.
This may be simple, but I want to hear it from you. Why would Mime vote mime?
To get them lynched, duh.
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Teproc/Faust/Chairs/gkrieg/ghacob are towny
ww/egorK are null
silverspawn/Quiksync/Seprix are scummy
Awaclus/sudgy are mimey
For now, this'll have to do.
Lazy and easy for scum to create, but you've had a long day, whatever excuse, I'll give a pass.
The day's ending soon, but it looks like the wagon I'm currently on is the most popular, so I'll stay.
Okay... Stay on a wagon because it's popular? That's like sooooo scummy.
You haven't posted much in terms of reads or anything, to be honest. You've been kind of clowning around, and now you post some shoddy reads list with no explanation and you even proclaim you'll stay on a wagon because it's 'popular', regardless of what might be wrong or right.
PPE: 2
Faust is making sense - that's a town tell for him. Teproc too, though he's more likely to make sense as scum too. ghacob and gkrieg are both gut town reads for me, just as awaclus is a gut mime read (WIFOM interferes enough there's no real case for it)
QuikSync's read change is a major reason I'm thinking him scummy.
Well, now the reads are coming in, but that 'popular wagon' thing was pretty bad thb.
Seprix is the most popular of those I think scummy and there's not enough time to start a new wagon on silverspawn.
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Seprix is the most popular of those I think scummy and there's not enough time to start a new wagon on silverspawn.
There isn't?
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Sedge's awaclus vote especially looks like a partner interaction with Awaclus, but that's not much use until he flips.
This may be simple, but I want to hear it from you. Why would Mime vote mime?
Is this a serious question? Don't they want to get lynched?
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I don't feel terribly hot about the Seprix wagon though.
Vote: WW I think.
Wrong! As usual...
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Teproc/Faust/Chairs/gkrieg/ghacob are towny
ww/egorK are null
silverspawn/Quiksync/Seprix are scummy
Awaclus/sudgy are mimey
For now, this'll have to do.
Lazy and easy for scum to create, but you've had a long day, whatever excuse, I'll give a pass.
The day's ending soon, but it looks like the wagon I'm currently on is the most popular, so I'll stay.
Okay... Stay on a wagon because it's popular? That's like sooooo scummy.
You haven't posted much in terms of reads or anything, to be honest. You've been kind of clowning around, and now you post some shoddy reads list with no explanation and you even proclaim you'll stay on a wagon because it's 'popular', regardless of what might be wrong or right.
PPE: 2
Faust is making sense - that's a town tell for him. Teproc too, though he's more likely to make sense as scum too. ghacob and gkrieg are both gut town reads for me, just as awaclus is a gut mime read (WIFOM interferes enough there's no real case for it)
QuikSync's read change is a major reason I'm thinking him scummy.
Well, now the reads are coming in, but that 'popular wagon' thing was pretty bad thb.
I don't really agree with any of this.
I don't know that it makes Seprix scummy; I still don't really know how to read him.
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Sedge's awaclus vote especially looks like a partner interaction with Awaclus, but that's not much use until he flips.
This may be simple, but I want to hear it from you. Why would Mime vote mime?
Is this a serious question? Don't they want to get lynched?
Totally serious question. Wanted to see if anyone would bring up that there may be reasons for a mime not to vote for a mime.
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I guess there could be telling interactions once we see a flip.
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Seprix is the most popular of those I think scummy and there's not enough time to start a new wagon on silverspawn.
There enough time to start a new wagon. Look: Vote: Xerxes
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Seprix is the most popular of those I think scummy and there's not enough time to start a new wagon on silverspawn.
There enough time to start a new wagon. Look: Vote: Xerxes
XP is not getting lynched today. He is not a good lynch at this point. Why don't we lynch Awaclus? Why not Awaclus?
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Seprix is the most popular of those I think scummy and there's not enough time to start a new wagon on silverspawn.
There enough time to start a new wagon. Look: Vote: Xerxes
XP is not getting lynched today. He is not a good lynch at this point. Why don't we lynch Awaclus? Why not Awaclus?
Awaclus looks like town!Awaclus. I'm not interested in that lynch, and I agree with him that all the wagons we have right now are mediocre at best.
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I could also lynch Axxle, but I'm hoping for more contributions.
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I could also lynch Axxle, but I'm hoping for more contributions.
Because of what Axxle did since he got here, or because of EgorK?
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Prod: Ghacob
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I could also lynch Axxle, but I'm hoping for more contributions.
Because of what Axxle did since he got here, or because of EgorK?
Because of EgorK. And well, Axxle's contributions so far haven't swayed me away from that.
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I could also lynch Axxle, but I'm hoping for more contributions.
Because of what Axxle did since he got here, or because of EgorK?
Because of EgorK. And well, Axxle's contributions so far haven't swayed me away from that.
So you'd be willing to lynch them?
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Teproc/Faust/Chairs/gkrieg/ghacob are towny
ww/egorK are null
silverspawn/Quiksync/Seprix are scummy
Awaclus/sudgy are mimey
For now, this'll have to do.
Lazy and easy for scum to create, but you've had a long day, whatever excuse, I'll give a pass.
The day's ending soon, but it looks like the wagon I'm currently on is the most popular, so I'll stay.
Okay... Stay on a wagon because it's popular? That's like sooooo scummy.
You haven't posted much in terms of reads or anything, to be honest. You've been kind of clowning around, and now you post some shoddy reads list with no explanation and you even proclaim you'll stay on a wagon because it's 'popular', regardless of what might be wrong or right.
PPE: 2
Faust is making sense - that's a town tell for him. Teproc too, though he's more likely to make sense as scum too. ghacob and gkrieg are both gut town reads for me, just as awaclus is a gut mime read (WIFOM interferes enough there's no real case for it)
QuikSync's read change is a major reason I'm thinking him scummy.
Well, now the reads are coming in, but that 'popular wagon' thing was pretty bad thb.
vote: sephix
I see zero town motivation in this post and a ton of scum shade.
...because?
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Prod: Ghacob
Ghacob isn't eligible for a prod for another 4 hours. If he hasn't posted by then, I'll prod him without further prompting.
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I could also lynch Axxle, but I'm hoping for more contributions.
Because of what Axxle did since he got here, or because of EgorK?
Because of EgorK. And well, Axxle's contributions so far haven't swayed me away from that.
So you'd be willing to lynch them?
Yes.
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I could also lynch Axxle, but I'm hoping for more contributions.
Because of what Axxle did since he got here, or because of EgorK?
You'd be willing to lynch a lot of people it seems..
OK,
Vote: Faust
Because of EgorK. And well, Axxle's contributions so far haven't swayed me away from that.
So you'd be willing to lynch them?
Yes.
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I could also lynch Axxle, but I'm hoping for more contributions.
Because of what Axxle did since he got here, or because of EgorK?
Because of EgorK. And well, Axxle's contributions so far haven't swayed me away from that.
So you'd be willing to lynch them?
Yes.
You'd be willing to lynch a lot of people it seems..
OK,
Vote: Faust
Edit By Way Of Post (Ebwop)
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There are 4 scum. What's bad about being willing to lynch lots of people? And it's not that many I think - Axxle, Xerxes, WW. These are my favorites.
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faust is a bad lynch.
Seprix is a better lynch. You guys should vote Seprix.
Alternatively, we could lynch chairs, or a lurker. But we need to do it relatively fast at this point.
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vote: Awaclus
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Why are you reading so much into a single post? Especially when it is Seprix? You changed you vote like 2-3 posts after saying you liked where your vote is. Wut?
You haven't played with me before, reading into single posts is how I find scum. It's a lot easier than rereading everything and is still pretty accurate (last I checked I'm one of the most accurate vigs and lynchers on this site)
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vote: Awaclus
why all of the sudden the vote for Awaclus?
PPE
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Also I haven't played with seprix before, why do you say especially him?
And like, why are you so surprised my reads are changing, my first post was clearly made without really following the thread, and that post with the sep vote was made after I read his post.
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There are 4 scum. What's bad about being willing to lynch lots of people? And it's not that many I think - Axxle, Xerxes, WW. These are my favorites.
"We should give axxle a bit of time to allow other people to get reads on him"
"Yeah, good idea person who clearly isn't axxle, just like me"
"I agree with both sentiments, sincerely a player in this game that doesn't have two x's in his name."
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Why is no one on board with the QS lynch anymore? He clearly is scum painting, as opposed to scum hunting. His play has been scummy.
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vote: Awaclus
why all of the sudden the vote for Awaclus?
PPE
Why are you bothered by it?
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Also I haven't played with seprix before, why do you say especially him?
And like, why are you so surprised my reads are changing, my first post was clearly made without really following the thread, and that post with the sep vote was made after I read his post.
Why did you initially think Faust was good?
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vote: Awaclus
why all of the sudden the vote for Awaclus?
PPE
Why are you bothered by it?
Because he has been saying that he is a mime all day, and saying we shouldn't lynch him. If he is gonna change his mind like that, he should at least say why.
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Also I haven't played with seprix before, why do you say especially him?
And like, why are you so surprised my reads are changing, my first post was clearly made without really following the thread, and that post with the sep vote was made after I read his post.
Why did you initially think Faust was good?
He seemed to not be playing the game from the posts I remember.
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vote: Seprix
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Vote Count 1.11:
“Many great writers address audiences who do not exist; to address passionately and sometimes with very great wisdom people who do not exist has this advantage—that there will always be a group of people who, seeing a man shouting apparently at somebody or other, and seeing nobody else in sight, will think it is they who are being addressed.” ― Wyndham Lewis
Faust (2): silverspawn, QuickSync
Witherweaver (1): Ghacob
Awaclus (4): Witherweaver, sudgy, chairs, Seprix
Seprix (4): Teproc, XP, Axxle, gkrieg13
silverspawn (1): Awaclus
XerxesPraelor (1): faust
With 13 alive, it takes 7 to lynch.
Day 1 will end at 6:00 p.m. on August 28, 2015. That’s in ~27 hours.
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today I would go for QS, ss, or Seprix. I could also be persuaded toward XP.
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Vote: Seprix
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Alternatively, we could lynch chairs, or a lurker. But we need to do it relatively fast at this point.
I don't like this too much from Teproc. Scum wants town to hurry up and rush, making it more likely Town creates a bad mislynch.
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Alternatively, we could lynch chairs, or a lurker. But we need to do it relatively fast at this point.
I don't like this too much from Teproc. Scum wants town to hurry up and rush, making it more likely Town creates a bad mislynch.
I actually misjudged how close the deadline was (I thought it was in a few hours). But I do think we should try to get an intent to hammer today, in case there's a claim, precisely to avoid rushing a lynch.
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Vote: Awaclus
Its the only BW worth mentioning. Hes getting lynched this game day.
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BW ?
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today I would go for QS, ss, or Seprix. I could also be persuaded toward XP.
Those are my town reads, dude.
P-Edit: band wagon
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Vote: Awaclus
Its the only BW worth mentioning. Hes getting lynched this game day.
what do you mean worth mentioning?
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And what warrants your confidence that he's the lynchee today?
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vote: Axxle
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There are 4 scum. What's bad about being willing to lynch lots of people? And it's not that many I think - Axxle, Xerxes, WW. These are my favorites.
OK, so you want to lynch all the people that should make it to late game? OMG this is so ironic, that the reason I don't want you lynched yet.
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People I like as town:
SS
Seprix
WW
Tproc
XP
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I'm your favorite, faust? :$
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I think I have to vote: Seprix out of the choices for lynch that I think are still viable at this juncture.
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Yeah, also don't forget to mention I'm at L-1.
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I'm not claiming either. Far too early.
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I'm not claiming either. Far too early.
You can choose not to claim, but we have 24 hrs. That's not a lot of time.
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I'll think on it.
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I'll think on it.
When did we start this game? You realize that if another lynch candidate doesn't come up you are going to have to claim right?
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QuickSync's behavior is making me really want to leave the wagon. Is there really enough time though?
I'm not trying to set up mislynches, but I think if Seprix flips town I'm going to be looking at QuickSync. Faust, wither weaver, awaclus, are all horrible lynches though.
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QuickSync's behavior is making me really want to leave the wagon. Is there really enough time though?
I'm not trying to set up mislynches, but I think if Seprix flips town I'm going to be looking at QuickSync. Faust, wither weaver, awaclus, are all horrible lynches though.
You're like the definition of too scummy to be scum. Its why your such a strong town read for me. :)
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QuickSync's behavior is making me really want to leave the wagon. Is there really enough time though?
I'm not trying to set up mislynches, but I think if Seprix flips town I'm going to be looking at QuickSync. Faust, wither weaver, awaclus, are all horrible lynches though.
I'd be on that lynch.
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fwiw, mime want to lynch town too.
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fwiw, mime want to lynch town too.
Why is that relevant?
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I'll claim. I'm at work, but here I go:
I am VT.
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vote: quicksync
Let's try this again
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vote: quicksync
I'll be available to switch back by deadline. (Intent to hammer once it gets to that point)
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fwiw, mime want to lynch town too.
Why is that relevant?
Seriously? You don't see how that could impact the game? iirc, it has not been said in the thread yet, which is why I bring it up because it is new info in an otherwise mostly dead thread.
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vote: quicksync
I'll be available to switch back by deadline. (Intent to hammer once it gets to that point)
So what I'm understanding here is that while you want to lynch me, you're willing to really just lynch anyone. Uh-hu, Noted.
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Do you think it's town to be ok with a no lynch?
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I've returned from wasting my time
read thread, Awaclus still seems clear mime, don't want to lynch, so my vote should go for Seprix of the two wagons, uncertain about stepping outside of that; not sure we have time; will think after pondering
Do you think it's town to be ok with a no lynch?
This is interesting. Surely it should be in town's interest to no lynch at least occasionally, or else the rule should not be in effect for the 2 no lynch rule, but how often should we try and/or is it a good idea now. Going to write down and work through some numbers in thread
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For simplicity remove all investigative roles. In the event of a tie, this is a net bonus, but fakeclaiming makes this uncertain etc.
1-7 VTs
8,9 Vigs
10,11 Mafia
12,13 Mimes
Additional simplification, lynches are random, instead of teams gaining influence, this will make lynches slightly more in favor of town
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I've decided that this is hard to math out, so I'm just going to random out a few games with and without nolynches
kills in order of mafia, vig
RBed
G1, no nolynches,
D1 13
N1 4, 1
D2 12
welp
G2, no nolynches
D1 4
N1 9, 3
D2 7
N2 12 13
D3 5
N3 2 6
D4 8
Well it just occurred to me that this is terribly inefficient and a waste of everyone's time, but my basic intuitive conclusion is that each no lynch day is ~~sorrta like a normal day night cycle with no vigs or mimes
if we could nolynch every day, that would turn the game vaguely into 8 VTs, 1 Cop vs 2 mafia vs 2 3rd party/survivor lovers(where killing both of two specific townsmembers would remove the 'lynch')
I like this idea
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We're considering a no-lynch? I guess that's okay, except we'll just lose gkraig or another pro-town player without taking a shot in the dark with a D1 lynch, and that just makes life harder for town.
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I think it's wrong to be overly paranoid about hitting a mime right now, and that it shouldn't get in the way of lynching someone. Mafia could kill the last mime after all.
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In fact, it's really easy for mafia to kill the mime. If the second mime wants to die and plays awful, Mafia will kill him quickly because he'll essentially be a no-lynch since town doesn't want to kill him, and it gives scum a better shot at winning. Not to mention possible Town vigs.
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no way I do a no-lynch today.
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vote: quicksync
I'll be available to switch back by deadline. (Intent to hammer once it gets to that point)
So what I'm understanding here is that while you want to lynch me, you're willing to really just lynch anyone. Uh-hu, Noted.
I want to lynch you, but Seprix is good too (especially since he's not a PR)
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to those who were on qs earlier in the day but switched, why did you switch but won't switch back?
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Do you think it's town to be ok with a no lynch?
Depends on the person, but statistically speaking, no-lynches are bad for town.
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Do you think it's town to be ok with a no lynch?
Depends on the person, but statistically speaking, no-lynches are bad for town.
That's certainly true in general, but I'm not sure that statistically speaking, that's true this game
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Do you think it's town to be ok with a no lynch?
Depends on the person, but statistically speaking, no-lynches are bad for town.
That's certainly true in general, but I'm not sure that statistically speaking, that's true this game
That's a laugh. And just how would you go about calculating that exactly?
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Do you think it's town to be ok with a no lynch?
Depends on the person, but statistically speaking, no-lynches are bad for town.
That's certainly true in general, but I'm not sure that statistically speaking, that's true this game
That's a laugh. And just how would you go about calculating that exactly?
For simplicity remove all investigative roles. In the event of a tie, this is a net bonus, but fakeclaiming makes this uncertain etc.
1-7 VTs
8,9 Vigs
10,11 Mafia
12,13 Mimes
Additional simplification, lynches are random, instead of teams gaining influence, this will make lynches slightly more in favor of town
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I've decided that this is hard to math out, so I'm just going to random out a few games with and without nolynches
kills in order of mafia, vig
RBed
G1, no nolynches,
D1 13
N1 4, 1
D2 12
welp
G2, no nolynches
D1 4
N1 9, 3
D2 7
N2 12 13
D3 5
N3 2 6
D4 8
Well it just occurred to me that this is terribly inefficient and a waste of everyone's time, but my basic intuitive conclusion is that each no lynch day is ~~sorrta like a normal day night cycle with no vigs or mimes
if we could nolynch every day, that would turn the game vaguely into 8 VTs, 1 Cop vs 2 mafia vs 2 3rd party/survivor lovers(where killing both of two specific townsmembers would remove the 'lynch')
I like this idea
...It's like you're not even reading the thread...
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any reason no-one wants to do axxle? Egork was super lurky, then axxle came on and was weird and not really helpful.
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Axxle is a better lynch than Seprix, me or faust at least.
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also, faust. if he's town, then sheeping him is a great idea. If he's not town, then him advocating the axxle lynch is still pretty good. he just brought a scum buddy to the knife in his last finished game day 1, and here he's pretty likely to make such a comment while hoping nothing happens. it'd give him town cred later.
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( I mean this is all pretty good for an axxle lynch )
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Vote: Axxle
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excellent
(https://encrypted-tbn3.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQWaJ0CaVH0je_CnlInV7UpFAyjseRHeBuNFhCkBsivTcV-RY1k3SYFMRDY)
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Didn't you lead the mislynch wagon on me in a previous game, mr. spawn?
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Do you think it's town to be ok with a no lynch?
Depends on the person, but statistically speaking, no-lynches are bad for town.
then what's the point of berating xp for saying the same thing?
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I think it's wrong to be overly paranoid about hitting a mime right now, and that it shouldn't get in the way of lynching someone. Mafia could kill the last mime after all.
This is my opinion too, ftr, although the true purpose of the question was to figure out what qs is trying to do. Jury's still out on that
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Vote Count 2.faust
Witherweaver (1): Ghacob
Awaclus (5): Witherweaver, sudgy, chairs, Seprix, QucikSync
Seprix (4): Teproc, XP, Axxle, chairs
XerxesPraelor (1): faust
Axxle (2): silverspawn, Awaclus
QuickSync (2): gkrieg13, XerxesPraelor
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Corrected Vote Count 2.faust
Witherweaver (1): Ghacob
Awaclus (5): Witherweaver, sudgy, chairs, Seprix, QuickSync
Seprix (3): Teproc, Axxle, chairs
XerxesPraelor (1): faust
Axxle (2): silverspawn, Awaclus
QuickSync (2): gkrieg13, XerxesPraelor
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I'm torn on Quickie. He seems rather scummy at some points and then again quite towny... I've been willing to attribute the scummy parts to having a different background. I think I don't want him lynched D1.
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A random thought that occured to me: A mime is less likely to drop out of the game than some other player, right? For mimes, contributing very little isn't actually bad. This makes me think that Egor was no mime.
I don't like the Seprix claim, and I don't like Quickie pushing for it. Makes me want to lynch Seprix more.
Axxle I still dont really have enough data on.
Vote: Seprix again. Let's see where this leads.
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Good posting!
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I'm torn on Quickie. He seems rather scummy at some points and then again quite towny... I've been willing to attribute the scummy parts to having a different background. I think I don't want him lynched D1.
Agreed.
Things haven't changed much. Still think Seprix is the best lynch.
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any reason no-one wants to do axxle? Egork was super lurky, then axxle came on and was weird and not really helpful.
Eh, I'd rather not lynch Axxle today.
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any reason no-one wants to do axxle? Egork was super lurky, then axxle came on and was weird and not really helpful.
Have you played with Axxle before ? If so, what do you find weird about his play here ?
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Seprix's claim was odd.. I expected him to claim a PR after talking about how it's too early to claim.
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Didn't you lead the mislynch wagon on me in a previous game, mr. spawn?
I don't think I did. If so, I don't remember it. The only game I do remember where we both played is death note, where I think I was trying to deflect from your lynch.
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any reason no-one wants to do axxle? Egork was super lurky, then axxle came on and was weird and not really helpful.
Have you played with Axxle before ? If so, what do you find weird about his play here ?
deathnote is the only game that comes to mind. First he was really joky and active and then he sort of lost interest - much like most people, because death note had a setup that made it really easy to lose interest. But while he was contributing, his play looked towny. totally different here afaict
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Axxle seems much like Axxle here.
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Vote Count 1.12
“When I am dead, I hope it may be said: "His sins were scarlet, but his books were read.” ― Hilaire Belloc
Seprix (4): Teproc, Axxle, chairs, faust
Awaclus (4): Witherweaver, sudgy, Seprix, QuickSync
Axxle (2): silverspawn, Awaclus
QuickSync (2) gkrieg13, XP
Witherweaver (1): Ghacob
With 13 alive, it takes 7 to lynch, 7 to no-lynch.
Day 1 ends August 28, 6 PM Forum Time. That's in ~7 hours.
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Seprix isn't that bad, but the wagon is pretty scummy... that's a bad sign.
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I think I won't support either Seprix or Awaclus over a no-lynch.
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Seprix isn't that bad, but the wagon is pretty scummy... that's a bad sign.
Scummier than the Awaclus wagon?
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I won't make it for the deadline btw. I will leave in half an hour. If you want me to put my vote elsewhere, you should convince me now.
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Seprix isn't that bad, but the wagon is pretty scummy... that's a bad sign.
Scummier than the Awaclus wagon?
WW is null, sudgy is null, Seprix is mildly scmmy, QS is mildly towny. so yes.
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I won't make it for the deadline btw. I will leave in half an hour. If you want me to put my vote elsewhere, you should convince me now.
Would you consider to self-vote if I'm convincing enough?
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I think I won't support either Seprix or Awaclus over a no-lynch.
Seprix isn't that bad, but the wagon is pretty scummy... that's a bad sign.
Scummier than the Awaclus wagon?
WW is null, sudgy is null, Seprix is mildly scmmy, QS is mildly towny. so yes.
I'm confused.
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Yeah, also don't forget to mention I'm at L-1.
Okay, thought. If Seprix were a mime, would have have just hammered himself here?
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Yeah, also don't forget to mention I'm at L-1.
Okay, thought. If Seprix were a mime, would have have just hammered himself here?
He might not of thought of it. Or wasn't sure if it would work or not.
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Yeah, also don't forget to mention I'm at L-1.
Okay, thought. If Seprix were a mime, would have have just hammered himself here?
So, Seprix is confirmed non-mine, which I was already pretty convinced of anyway. How does that matter right now ?
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Yeah, also don't forget to mention I'm at L-1.
Okay, thought. If Seprix were a mime, would have have just hammered himself here?
So, Seprix is confirmed non-mine, which I was already pretty convinced of anyway. How does that matter right now ?
Well it makes him less likely to be a scum (meaning, lying about his claim), but also a safer lynch.
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Yeah, also don't forget to mention I'm at L-1.
Okay, thought. If Seprix were a mime, would have have just hammered himself here?
So, Seprix is confirmed non-mine, which I was already pretty convinced of anyway. How does that matter right now ?
Well it makes him less likely to be a scum (meaning, lying about his claim), but also a safer lynch.
"It does not matter" is what you're trying to say, yes.
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It matters on whether or not I'd want to lynch him~
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It matters on whether or not I'd want to lynch him~
Didn't you just explain how it's basically a wash ? I mean I'm sure statistically it's not, but the point is : we are trying to lynch scum anyway so him not being mime really shouldn't change anything.
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No-lynch actually kind of makes sense here - I get the logic, anyway. I think for D1, though, we still want something to help kick off informing reads, and I think the quickness with which people jumped the Seprix ship, combined with the VT claim, makes Seprix a more solid choice than before.
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It matters on whether or not I'd want to lynch him~
Didn't you just explain how it's basically a wash ? I mean I'm sure statistically it's not, but the point is : we are trying to lynch scum anyway so him not being mime really shouldn't change anything.
I'ts only a wash if they're weighted equally. New knowledge provides context through which to reread and evaluate. Sure, you already thought he was mafia, so it probably just makes you feel better about it, if anything.
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@WW: I don't want to lynch Seprix cause I don't like the wagon. You think I'm giving that too much weight?
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It matters on whether or not I'd want to lynch him~
Didn't you just explain how it's basically a wash ? I mean I'm sure statistically it's not, but the point is : we are trying to lynch scum anyway so him not being mime really shouldn't change anything.
I'ts only a wash if they're weighted equally. New knowledge provides context through which to reread and evaluate. Sure, you already thought he was mafia, so it probably just makes you feel better about it, if anything.
I especially did not think he was a Mime since he specifically changed hsi meta this game to a much townier one, which is why I think he's scum.
@silver : you mean you don't like people who are voting Seprix ? I found that's a pretty poor reason not to want yo lynch someone, especially on day 1. It's putting way too much trust in interlocking reads.
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Wait, I thought Teproc had a good reason for lynching me. He wants me dead because I'm playing much more townier? Well, maybe I'm actually improving as a player...
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While no-lynch is technically better than a self-lynch, it gives town NO INFORMATION so it is actually worse. I'd rather not die, but if deadline comes around I Can self lynch, though I'd rather lynch someone else.
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@WW: I don't want to lynch Seprix cause I don't like the wagon. You think I'm giving that too much weight?
So you think he's scummy, but his wagon makes you think he's not scummy?
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Wait, I thought Teproc had a good reason for lynching me. He wants me dead because I'm playing much more townier? Well, maybe I'm actually improving as a player...
I never pretended to have another reason, it's amply sufficient. You're playing differently. Noticeably so, to the point that it seems constructed to me. That's exactly what I'd expect scum!you to do.
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Wait, I thought Teproc had a good reason for lynching me. He wants me dead because I'm playing much more townier? Well, maybe I'm actually improving as a player...
I never pretended to have another reason, it's amply sufficient. You're playing differently. Noticeably so, to the point that it seems constructed to me. That's exactly what I'd expect scum!you to do.
I guess so. I mean, all you really have to go on. At least you think I'm townier, so I'm playing better as I hoped.
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I think Tep is town btw.
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I think Tep is town btw.
I agree, and I think you are too.
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@silver : you mean you don't like people who are voting Seprix ?
mostly, yes. I also think the lynch is going a little bit too easily.
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@silver : you mean you don't like people who are voting Seprix ?
mostly, yes. I also think the lynch is going a little bit too easily.
Ugh.
There's not one way for wagons on scum to go. Especially on day 1. Sometimes they go very fast, sometimes they're the major wagon all day and end up completing.
Besides, it's really not true. No lynch has been easy this game, or we wouldn't be this close to deadline.
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Also, who specifically do you think is scum on wagon ?
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Also, who specifically do you think is scum on wagon ?
faust and Axxle. You and chairs are null at best, too.
I thought players might not like the reasoning, which is why I asked. I partially agree with you, but ... it's no use. I'm just not feeling Seprix as scum. Intuition is quite relevant.
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That's fine. Our reads are completely opposite though.
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I'd still like to lynch Ghacob, really. He's said, like, nothing of substance the entire game.
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I'd still like to lynch Ghacob, really. He's said, like, nothing of substance the entire game.
That argument kind of cuts both ways, but I'd be fine witha Ghacob lynch.
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I'll do it if we can't get Awaclus to happen.
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I'd still like to lynch Ghacob, really. He's said, like, nothing of substance the entire game.
I think I got rebuked for this read, and I don't remember why. Let me go see.
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null on Ghacob right now. Or, scummy because I don't remember, I guess. Lemme reread.
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Oh yeah, people didn't pay the Ghacob thing I said any mind because I was close to lynch and it was a bit desperate. I mean, it was. But I was actually rereading the thread and it stood out. UoS or someone else also said it was too obvious to be scummy, and then we all declared Ghacob town at the moment. because of the two L-1.
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Oh yeah, people didn't pay the Ghacob thing I said any mind because I was close to lynch and it was a bit desperate. I mean, it was. But I was actually rereading the thread and it stood out. UoS or someone else also said it was too obvious to be scummy, and then we all declared Ghacob town at the moment. because of the two L-1.
I never declared Ghacob anything, I just think he's an okay but meh lynch, precisely because he's been so absent.
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no... not feeling Ghacob. Sorry.
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vote: awalcus
Don't expect to be on after this, and seps wagon stalled hard
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I prefer Seprix to Awaclus, personally, as I think Seprix lynch gives us more info on more people, but I could go Awaclus if we're coming down to the wire.
Also, who specifically do you think is scum on wagon ?
faust and Axxle. You and chairs are null at best, too.
I thought players might not like the reasoning, which is why I asked. I partially agree with you, but ... it's no use. I'm just not feeling Seprix as scum. Intuition is quite relevant.
I have to quote this to mention that I appreciate intuition notes greatly, even if our intuited results disagree. I pretty much play the whole game on hunches nowadays, having found myself much more effective that way than by trying to analyze the facts.
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Yeah, I learned that the hard way.
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Oh yeah, people didn't pay the Ghacob thing I said any mind because I was close to lynch and it was a bit desperate. I mean, it was. But I was actually rereading the thread and it stood out. UoS or someone else also said it was too obvious to be scummy, and then we all declared Ghacob town at the moment. because of the two L-1.
wrong game?
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Oh yeah, people didn't pay the Ghacob thing I said any mind because I was close to lynch and it was a bit desperate. I mean, it was. But I was actually rereading the thread and it stood out. UoS or someone else also said it was too obvious to be scummy, and then we all declared Ghacob town at the moment. because of the two L-1.
wrong game?
Oh shoot, is it?
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I really think we should lynch QS here. I would be fine with either a Seprix or Awaclus lynch over a no lynch, but I think Seprix really is VT, and I think Awaclus is mime.
PPE: as far as I can remember. It is actually getting hard for me to keep everything straight because it is like exactly the same people, minus a few.
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Yeah, wrong game. I don't know anything about Ghacob this game, I can go look though. From what I recall looking into him though, he didn't say much this game either, which is what everyone else has already said.
PPE: IKR!? It feels like the two games are very similar because a lot of the same cast is in both games. I'm worried I might be mixing up people from both games too, so I have to be careful.
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yeah, the games are irritatingly similar.
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Anyway, back to this game, Why aren't people more on the QS wagon? I haven't heard really anyone say he is a major town read. Or I may have just missed it. Anyway, I think I am Awaclus > Seprix at this point. I have intent to hammer either of them if we get close to the deadline.
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I think QS is town. Even if I'm wrong, I want to see more of what kind of a player he is.
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Vote Count 1.13
“But I'm talking in bold in this game, that's the difference!” ― Umbrageofsnow
Awaclus (5): Witherweaver, sudgy, Seprix, QuickSync, Axxle
Seprix (3): Teproc, chairs, faust
Axxle (2): silverspawn, Awaclus
QuickSync (2) gkrieg13, XP
Witherweaver (1): Ghacob
With 13 alive, it takes 7 to lynch, 7 to no-lynch.
Day 1 ends August 28, 6 PM Forum Time. That's in ~3 hours.
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I don't think I'll be on for the deadline.
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I'll probably be on for the deadline
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I'll be here for the deadline.
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Ok, do any of you three want to progress the gamestate?
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I want to lynch Axxle.
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I assumed that what your vote meant.
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vote: Awaclus
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L-1
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Gives him some time to claim
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VT
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Awaclus isn't lynching himself, so he isn't mime.
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5/11 chance Awaclus isn't lying odds-wise, not considering lying about PR roles and implications of that. VT is a safe claim for scum to make as well.
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I say lynch him and see where this goes. If he's VT, it's not the end of the world. If he's scum, great! If he's lying PR, that sucks. Thankfully, oddswise it's more likely than not he is not lying/scum.
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I note there IS incentive for town to lie this game. There is no Doctor in this set-up.
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I will no longer be around for the deadline but I don't think that will matter too much
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vote: awaclus
If he's not mime as I thought, mafia is the next most likely option.
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Thread locked.
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Final Day 1 Vote Count
"Don't know why I get so nervy in church," Brett said. "Never does me any good."
We walked along.
"I'm damned bad for a religious atmosphere," Brett said. "I've the wrong type of face." — Ernest Hemingway, The Sun Also Rises
Awaclus (7): Witherweaver, sudgy, Seprix, QuickSync, Axxle, gkrieg13, XerxesPraelor
Seprix (3): Teproc, chairs, faust
Axxle (2): silverspawn, Awaclus
Witherweaver (1): Ghacob
With 13 alive, it took 7 to lynch.
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The group started talking casually enough, but eventually their chatter turned suspicious. They seemed to have a hard time deciding who was the most guilty-looking of them though. Joyce's enigmatic dying words about the Mimes made everything murky and confusing. The copious amounts of alcohol didn't help either.
As dawn approached, with no decision is sight, Witheweaver spoke up, "Didn't you read what Joyce wrote? 'Beware of the flapper!'"
Everyone looked to Lady Twysden.
"I say, this is good wine," Lady Twysden held up her glass. "We ought to toast something. Here's to poor Joyce."
"This wine is too good for toast-drinking, my dear. You don't want to mix emotions up with a wine like this. You lose the taste," said Sudgy.
Lady Twysden's glass was empty.
"You're charming when you're drunk," said Seprix, "but were you trying to distract us with that toast? We are not so easy to manipulate."
Everyone set down their drinks. Quicksync quietly got up to fetch the police.
Axxle pushed back his chair and helped Lady Twysden stumble out of the bookshop just as a pair of constables came jogging up the street. She turned and looked sadly at the group gathered in front of the door.
"Oh, Gkrieg," said Lady Twysden, "we could all have had such a damned good time together."
"Yes," XerxesPraelor said. "Isn't it pretty to think so?"
The policemen cuffed her hands behind her back and dragged her off.
Awaclus has been lynched. He was Lady Duff Twysden, a Vanilla Townie.
Night 1 begins now and ends August 30th at 6 P.M. forum time. All night actions are due by August 30th, 5 P.M. forum time.
Thread remains locked.
Edit: looks better in black.
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Everyone please remember to confirm in your QTs over the night. Even if you're a VT.
Any post will count as a confirmation, you don't have to say "confirm."
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An air of gloom had settled over the bookshop as the assembled writers realized poor Lady Twysden probably wasn't guilty of much more than drunkeness. They all mumbled their goodbyes and drifted away into the early morning, to sleep or try to sleep.
There were police stationed outside of Shakespeare and Company the next afternoon when the writers stumbled back to the bookshop. Sylvia Beach was dead. Everyone gathered at the Closerie des Lilas café to discuss the murder. And to consume whatever combination of coffee, food, and wine each believed would make them feel better. It was mostly wine.
"You think whoever did Joyce was nervous Ms. Beach was onto them?"
"Could be, could be."
"Maybe somebody thought Sylvia did it, took the law into their own hands."
"Could be."
"Maybe she was on somebody real hard about their overdue library fees."
"Probably."
Teproc has been killed. He was Sylvia Beach, a Vanilla Townie.
Day 2 Starts
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Vote Count 2.0
It was so nice to get your interesting letter telling me all about everything. I could see you writing it on your well known blotter-book-arrangement and with your nice fountain pen (inferior to mine however).
Are'nt you having a grand old time in Paris?
Wasn't it nice about those flowers (not from America)! — Sylvia Beach
Not Voting (11): Ghacob, silverspawn, chairs, faust, Witherweaver, sudgy, Seprix, QuickSync, Axxle, gkrieg13, XerxesPraelor
With 11 alive, it takes 6 to lynch, 6 to no-lynch.
Day 2 ends Monday September 7 at 6 PM forum time.
Thread Unlocked.
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I'm alive! And Teproc is dead! awesome. Well, no offense, it's just that you're ridiculously scary as scum.
Awaclus being VT is less awesome. Not really surprising though.. The frustrating thing about this is that he was playing in a way that being on his wagon isn't as bad as I would like it to be. See, this is why it's anti town.
Still, it's not good. Being on his wagon, that is. vote: XP
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actually, Axxle is looking way worse. vote: Axxle
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Ghacob is my strongest town read now... also has the best wagon position.
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Interesting that we had only one flip. That offers a couple possibilities.
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Interesting that we had only one flip. That offers a couple possibilities.
Mimes don't kill.
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Interesting that we had only one flip. That offers a couple possibilities.
Mimes don't kill.
Vigiliantes do.
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So either someone blocked NK and Vig was spent, or more likely, Vig wasn't used.
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So either someone blocked NK and Vig was spent, or more likely, Vig wasn't used.
The vig can be used every night...
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So either someone blocked NK and Vig was spent, or more likely, Vig wasn't used.
The vig can be used every night...
I didn't read the flavor. That's great!
So two VTs are dead, no PRs hit thus far.
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I'll start with a vote: QuickSync
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vote: QuickSync
I really think he should have been the lynch D1
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Yeah that was a bad hammer. Sorry guys.
vote: QuickSync
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Vote Count 2.1
The photographs all looked like snapshots and even the dead writers looked as though they had really been alive. — Ernest Hemingway, A Moveable Feast
QuickSync (3): Seprix, gkrieg13, XerxesPraelor
Axxle (1): silverspawn
Not Voting (7): Ghacob, chairs, faust, Witherweaver, sudgy, QuickSync, Axxle
With 11 alive, it takes 6 to lynch, 6 to no-lynch.
Day 2 ends Monday September 7 at 6 PM forum time.
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actually, Axxle is looking way worse. vote: Axxle
If I was scum u'd b deader than dead
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Explain qs plz
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I have some things to say, just let me finish my college work first.
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I have some things to say, just let me finish my college work first.
so is that November or December?
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I have no love for the QuickSync wagon. It's scummy business.
Vote: Seprix
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actually, Axxle is looking way worse. vote: Axxle
If I was scum u'd b deader than dead
why?
also, does that mean you have a really strong town read on me?
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I fell asleep last night, now I am at college. Film is so interesting to me! Again, I'm sorry for the delay, I have things to type in the other game I'm playing too. I'll post here later today, promise.
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5/11 chance Awaclus isn't lying odds-wise, not considering lying about PR roles and implications of that. VT is a safe claim for scum to make as well.
This is bad btw. Seprix has claimed VT, so the odds should be 4/12 for him (not sure where the 11 comes from... incidentally, these would be the exact odds for scum!Seprix, but I don't believe in that kind of scumslip).
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Yeah that was a bad hammer. Sorry guys.
vote: QuickSync
And would you mind telling us why you think your hammer was bad?
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I completely forgot about faust... vote: faust
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Vote: Seprix
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oh, he was off wagon though. okay, vote: Axxle
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Yeah that was a bad hammer. Sorry guys.
vote: QuickSync
After finding out what I had thought was wrong, I didn't any new analysis with that information.
And would you mind telling us why you think your hammer was bad?
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I have no love for the QuickSync wagon. It's scummy business.
Vote: Seprix
What's wrong with it?
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I have no love for the QuickSync wagon. It's scummy business.
Vote: Seprix
What's wrong with it?
Well it seems that the other two people are on it because they're mistaking this game for the other one going on, but importantly the three of you were on the last wagon against town
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Back from college! I shall begin writing things!
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I have no love for the QuickSync wagon. It's scummy business.
Vote: Seprix
What's wrong with it?
Well it seems that the other two people are on it because they're mistaking this game for the other one going on, but importantly the three of you were on the last wagon against town
I'm not mistaking it for another game going on. I have read QS on mafiascum and this seems like how he is when he is scum. Especially wanting to claim early.
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5/11 chance Awaclus isn't lying odds-wise, not considering lying about PR roles and implications of that. VT is a safe claim for scum to make as well.
This is bad btw. Seprix has claimed VT, so the odds should be 4/12 for him (not sure where the 11 comes from... incidentally, these would be the exact odds for scum!Seprix, but I don't believe in that kind of scumslip).
Aren't the odds actually 3/12, since Teproc died and was a VT?
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I have no love for the QuickSync wagon. It's scummy business.
Vote: Seprix
What's wrong with it?
Well it seems that the other two people are on it because they're mistaking this game for the other one going on, but importantly the three of you were on the last wagon against town
I'm not mistaking it for another game going on. I have read QS on mafiascum and this seems like how he is when he is scum. Especially wanting to claim early.
Can you give specific examples?
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vote: QuickSync
I really think he should have been the lynch D1
Why?
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I'm torn on Quickie. He seems rather scummy at some points and then again quite towny... I've been willing to attribute the scummy parts to having a different background. I think I don't want him lynched D1.
It's D2 now, but he's still off your board. Why?
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QC has also not been active in a couple of days.
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sweet! a VT claim.
My highly developed analytical skills with mimes tell me that this is either a mime trying to get lynched or a townie trying to pretend like he is a mime trying to get lynched.
Sadly, neither of those is true. I wasn't trying to VT claim at all, so I didn't think about this.
PPE: vote: chairs Scummiest person so far.
This post may have new relevance, since we now have 3 of 5 VTs outed.
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5/11 chance Awaclus isn't lying odds-wise, not considering lying about PR roles and implications of that. VT is a safe claim for scum to make as well.
This is bad btw. Seprix has claimed VT, so the odds should be 4/12 for him (not sure where the 11 comes from... incidentally, these would be the exact odds for scum!Seprix, but I don't believe in that kind of scumslip).
Aren't the odds actually 3/12, since Teproc died and was a VT?
The point is that before Teproc and Awa flipped, if you knew you were VT, you would have said the odds were 4/12. But you said 5/11, implying that you weren't taking up one of the VT spaces automatically.
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I have no love for the QuickSync wagon. It's scummy business.
Vote: Seprix
What's wrong with it?
Well it seems that the other two people are on it because they're mistaking this game for the other one going on, but importantly the three of you were on the last wagon against town
I'm not mistaking it for another game going on. I have read QS on mafiascum and this seems like how he is when he is scum. Especially wanting to claim early.
Can you give specific examples?
of games? Look up licketyquickety on mafiascum.net. Particularly his 2nd mafia game.
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QC has also not been active in a couple of days.
He's been V/LA
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vote: QuickSync
I really think he should have been the lynch D1
Why?
He was very scummy, and seemed to be polarizing. Some people defended him and said he was a strong town read, and others were on his case.
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5/11 chance Awaclus isn't lying odds-wise, not considering lying about PR roles and implications of that. VT is a safe claim for scum to make as well.
This is bad btw. Seprix has claimed VT, so the odds should be 4/12 for him (not sure where the 11 comes from... incidentally, these would be the exact odds for scum!Seprix, but I don't believe in that kind of scumslip).
Aren't the odds actually 3/12, since Teproc died and was a VT?
The point is that before Teproc and Awa flipped, if you knew you were VT, you would have said the odds were 4/12. But you said 5/11, implying that you weren't taking up one of the VT spaces automatically.
The 11 was a typo, and I was stating general odds. I always exclude my own inclusion because you all don't know that for sure.
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Also you were the first one to vote QS today. Why are you voting for him?
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I have no love for the QuickSync wagon. It's scummy business.
Vote: Seprix
What's wrong with it?
Well it seems that the other two people are on it because they're mistaking this game for the other one going on, but importantly the three of you were on the last wagon against town
I'm not mistaking it for another game going on. I have read QS on mafiascum and this seems like how he is when he is scum. Especially wanting to claim early.
Can you give specific examples?
of games? Look up licketyquickety on mafiascum.net. Particularly his 2nd mafia game.
Ah, I shall.
vote: QuickSync
I really think he should have been the lynch D1
Why?
He was very scummy, and seemed to be polarizing. Some people defended him and said he was a strong town read, and others were on his case.
I think it was a 'Seprix Town-play', namely, too scummy to be scum. Yes, I'm going to trademark that.
Also you were the first one to vote QS today. Why are you voting for him?
Because I don't buy the 'too scummy to be scum' at all. Maybe the mafia thingy will make it even more obvious to me. I would like to possibly see QS claim or defend himself beforehand though, so I don't want a lynch for sure yet.
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5/11 chance Awaclus isn't lying odds-wise, not considering lying about PR roles and implications of that. VT is a safe claim for scum to make as well.
This is bad btw. Seprix has claimed VT, so the odds should be 4/12 for him (not sure where the 11 comes from... incidentally, these would be the exact odds for scum!Seprix, but I don't believe in that kind of scumslip).
I believe that he was taking out the 2 mimes on the idea that if Awa was a mime, he would have self-hammered, however he still decided to not include himself in the odds which is odd
PPE: 4
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Vote Count 2.2
“Oh, we are going to be so happy away from all the things that almost got us but couldn't quite because we were too smart for them!” ― Zelda Fitzgerald, Save Me the Waltz
QuickSync (3): Seprix, gkrieg13, XerxesPraelor
Seprix (2): faust, Witherweaver
Axxle (1): silverspawn
Not Voting (5): Ghacob, chairs, sudgy, QuickSync, Axxle
With 11 alive, it takes 6 to lynch, 6 to no-lynch.
Day 2 ends Monday September 7 at 6 PM forum time.
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5/11 chance Awaclus isn't lying odds-wise, not considering lying about PR roles and implications of that. VT is a safe claim for scum to make as well.
This is bad btw. Seprix has claimed VT, so the odds should be 4/12 for him (not sure where the 11 comes from... incidentally, these would be the exact odds for scum!Seprix, but I don't believe in that kind of scumslip).
I believe that he was taking out the 2 mimes on the idea that if Awa was a mime, he would have self-hammered, however he still decided to not include himself in the odds which is odd
PPE: 4
Oh wait, it wasn't a typo! I did mean 11!
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5/11 chance Awaclus isn't lying odds-wise, not considering lying about PR roles and implications of that. VT is a safe claim for scum to make as well.
This is bad btw. Seprix has claimed VT, so the odds should be 4/12 for him (not sure where the 11 comes from... incidentally, these would be the exact odds for scum!Seprix, but I don't believe in that kind of scumslip).
I believe that he was taking out the 2 mimes on the idea that if Awa was a mime, he would have self-hammered, however he still decided to not include himself in the odds which is odd
PPE: 4
...wait. That's all you have to say?
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As for other things, I'm still convinced that lynches are pro-mime this game (any alignment lynch is good for mimes), and that nolynches are pro-town(essentially turns this into a 9-2 normal game + investigation etc., now down to 7-2)
As such, Vote: No Lynch
PPE: 3
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5/11 chance Awaclus isn't lying odds-wise, not considering lying about PR roles and implications of that. VT is a safe claim for scum to make as well.
This is bad btw. Seprix has claimed VT, so the odds should be 4/12 for him (not sure where the 11 comes from... incidentally, these would be the exact odds for scum!Seprix, but I don't believe in that kind of scumslip).
I believe that he was taking out the 2 mimes on the idea that if Awa was a mime, he would have self-hammered, however he still decided to not include himself in the odds which is odd
PPE: 4
...wait. That's all you have to say?
I'm trying out this new thing of separating my thoughts by post. It has the very nice effect of having each post not being as scary, thereby encouraging myself to post more often
Here's something to say, regardless of meta nonsense, I think that too scummy to be scum is a trait of the mime
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Vote: No Lynch
vote: Ghacob
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Vote: No Lynch
vote: Ghacob
Any of my theory nonsense you'd like to specifically disagree upon?
Although you did remind me that I was going to mention:
By no means do I think it's a good idea to stop the day now. In fact, it may be better to simply wait until the deadline.
Actually, you're right, me/Seprix, there's no good reason to rush to a nolynch when we're guaranteed one at the end of the day if there's not a wonderful lynch candidate found
as such, unvote
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Let's lynch Seprix, and then lynch Ghacob.
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Openly advocating a No Lynch where it is not needed is clearly anti-town.
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Openly advocating a No Lynch where it is not needed is clearly anti-town.
agreed. We need to keep lynching. Maybe once we hit a mime, then we should think about no-lynching.
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Openly advocating a No Lynch where it is not needed is clearly anti-town.
Maybe I'm missing something big here, but I for one don't like the idea that once we've lynched one mime we're stuck to some weird vaguely MYLO terribleness.
This is a different game from normal, and I find it vaguely disturbing that you're treating it like a normal game
Openly advocating a No Lynch where it is not needed is clearly anti-town.
agreed. We need to keep lynching. Maybe once we hit a mime, then we should think about no-lynching.
Again, why?
Am I really just being dumb about this now?
How about telling me how my thinking is flawed rather than telling me that my conclusion is straight out incorrect, which provides no information at all
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Vote: sudgy
He's scum, lets lynch him.
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Vote: sudgy
He's scum, lets lynch him.
...no explanation?
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Vote: sudgy
He's scum, lets lynch him.
Oh good it's you again
((I'm not in a veyr good mood right now, sorry))
Do You have any explanation that you'd like to give?
Has everyone just decided that all of their statements are frickin' self evident?
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Maybe I'm missing something big here, but I for one don't like the idea that once we've lynched one mime we're stuck to some weird vaguely MYLO terribleness.
This is a different game from normal, and I find it vaguely disturbing that you're treating it like a normal game
It's not that different. We have to hit two Mime to lose, and someone here is a Vig. Town is in a perfectly fine position right now.
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Vote: sudgy
He's scum, lets lynch him.
Oh good it's you again
((I'm not in a veyr good mood right now, sorry))
Do You have any explanation that you'd like to give?
Has everyone just decided that all of their statements are frickin' self evident?
Mimes win with two no lynches
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Vote: sudgy
He's scum, lets lynch him.
Oh good it's you again
((I'm not in a veyr good mood right now, sorry))
Do You have any explanation that you'd like to give?
Has everyone just decided that all of their statements are frickin' self evident?
Mimes win with two no lynches
Oh yeah, I forgot about that.
Also, if we no lynch, how in heaven's name are we ever going to win in the first place?
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Actually I am the watcher in this game and I watched Teproc. Sudgy visited Teproc last night and now he's dead. I'll likely die tonight but I did my job catching scum. The game is half over. I'm doing a sacrificial throw so that one of the scum die.
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Actually I am the watcher in this game and I watched Teproc. Sudgy visited Teproc last night and now he's dead. I'll likely die tonight but I did my job catching scum. The game is half over. I'm doing a sacrificial throw so that one of the scum die.
I can half confirm QC, actually. I am the Neapolitan, I scouted QC and he is guaranteed non-VT.
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I was waiting for QC's claim.
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vote: Sudgy, almost forgot
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Vote: sudgy
He's scum, lets lynch him.
Oh good it's you again
((I'm not in a veyr good mood right now, sorry))
Do You have any explanation that you'd like to give?
Has everyone just decided that all of their statements are frickin' self evident?
Mimes win with two no lynches
I am an idiot.
This whole time I've been working under the assumption that it was two consecutive nolynches, which told me the optimal strategy was to nolynch every other day or so, based on information.
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I have a new slogan for this game: Vote or die.
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Do you think it's town to be ok with a no lynch?
No Lynch post here probably confirms in my mind Axxle is Mime, too.
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PP
EP:
other possibilities to consider:
mime team nonsense?
unlikely I think
vote: sudgy
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Makes sense to me. Why would mafia out themselves like that.
vote: sudgy
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vote count?
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Vote Count 2.2
“Oh, we are going to be so happy away from all the things that almost got us but couldn't quite because we were too smart for them!” ― Zelda Fitzgerald, Save Me the Waltz
QuickSync (3): Seprix, gkrieg13, XerxesPraelor
Seprix (2): faust, Witherweaver
Axxle (1): silverspawn
Not Voting (5): Ghacob, chairs, sudgy, QuickSync, Axxle
With 11 alive, it takes 6 to lynch, 6 to no-lynch.
Day 2 ends Monday September 7 at 6 PM forum time.
I'm pretty sure it's the same as last one. Sudgy has 3 now, and QS only has one and there is one fewer person not voting.
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I have a crazy nutso read on WW as the other scum too, but I don't have real proof, just odd circumstantial evidence.
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I have a crazy nutso read on WW as the other scum too, but I don't have real proof, just odd circumstantial evidence.
I'm always on board for lynching WW. He is incredibly hard for me to read. Also, our vig or mafia either found a mime or scum with their shot because we only had one NK.
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Vote Count 2.2
“Oh, we are going to be so happy away from all the things that almost got us but couldn't quite because we were too smart for them!” ― Zelda Fitzgerald, Save Me the Waltz
QuickSync (3): Seprix, gkrieg13, XerxesPraelor
Seprix (2): faust, Witherweaver
Axxle (1): silverspawn
Not Voting (5): Ghacob, chairs, sudgy, QuickSync, Axxle
With 11 alive, it takes 6 to lynch, 6 to no-lynch.
Day 2 ends Monday September 7 at 6 PM forum time.
I'm pretty sure it's the same as last one. Sudgy has 3 now, and QS only has one and there is one fewer person not voting.
Its clear to me you are not mime now, that is good.
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Vig/Scum probably hit mime. But I don't want someone claiming Vig, they're too valuable to die right now.
Here's my read, okay? WW is being all 'diplomatic' about QS, right? D1, WW was saying QS is scummy but then QS is somehow not scummy anyways, and now WW is flat out against QS, like if QS was a for sure lynch, WW would look good, right? Perfect thing to hide behind.
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Wait a second, I meant Faust, not WW. Though WW fits too.
I think QS is town. Even if I'm wrong, I want to see more of what kind of a player he is.
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I'm torn on Quickie. He seems rather scummy at some points and then again quite towny... I've been willing to attribute the scummy parts to having a different background. I think I don't want him lynched D1.
I have no love for the QuickSync wagon. It's scummy business.
Faust quotes.
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Actually I think we should do a mass claim. Right now the mafia have their choice of 2 PT to NK. With the Vig and Back up Vig out in the open it makes scums job much more difficult. I also think this would put the mimes in a really bad way cuz what are they suppose to claim? That said, I do not like Seprix's claim. Now with Seprix claiming we pretty much have to do a mass claim earlier rather than later. If it went down the way it was suppose to, then I would get NKed and we would still have a secret Neapolitan to scope out people in case of a end of the day claim if it was a mafia claiming VT. Now scum have the choice of killing off the Neo in hopes for claiming VT and getting away with it. All that said, I think its better for everything to be out in the open now.
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Actually I think we should do a mass claim. Right now the mafia have their choice of 2 PT to NK. With the Vig and Back up Vig out in the open it makes scums job much more difficult. I also think this would put the mimes in a really bad way cuz what are they suppose to claim? That said, I do not like Seprix's claim. Now with Seprix claiming we pretty much have to do a mass claim earlier rather than later. If it went down the way it was suppose to, then I would get NKed and we would still have a secret Neapolitan to scope out people in case of a end of the day claim if it was a mafia claiming VT. Now scum have the choice of killing off the Neo in hopes for claiming VT and getting away with it. All that said, I think its better for everything to be out in the open now.
Scratch that, Vig should claim VT.
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Uh.... no QS... Vig should not claim...
PPE: 1
Okay, good.
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Vote Count 2.3
“Most people hew the battlements of life from compromise, erecting their impregnable keeps from judicious submissions, fabricating their philosophical drawbridges from emotional retractions and scalding marauders in the boiling oil of sour grapes.” ― Zelda Fitzgerald, Save Me the Waltz
Sudgy (4): QuickSync, Seprix, Ghacob, gkrieg13
Seprix (2): faust, Witherweaver
QuickSync (1): XerxesPraelor
Axxle (1): silverspawn
Not Voting (3): chairs, sudgy, Axxle
With 11 alive, it takes 6 to lynch, 6 to no-lynch.
Day 2 ends Monday September 7 at 6 PM forum time.
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Definitely against mass claim today. All that will get us is everyone claiming VT. Because the only non VT we have are the vig, back-up vig, the mimes, and scum.
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I have no love for the QuickSync wagon. It's scummy business.
Vote: Seprix
What's wrong with it?
Quickie is towny, and the people on the wagon are scumsters.
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Actually I am the watcher in this game and I watched Teproc. Sudgy visited Teproc last night and now he's dead. I'll likely die tonight but I did my job catching scum. The game is half over. I'm doing a sacrificial throw so that one of the scum die.
I can half confirm QC, actually. I am the Neapolitan, I scouted QC and he is guaranteed non-VT.
There is so much wrong with this post.
1) The data given is completely irrelevant. We already knew from Quickie's claim that he wasn't VT.
2) Seprix has claimed VT before.
Okay, not that many different things, but these two are huge.
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Seprix, would you like to enlighten us on your thought process, if any such thing exists?
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If there is another Neapolitan out there, do not counterclaim. We can lynch sudgy today and take care of this situation tomorrow.
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vote: sudgy
Didn't even realize he was in the game lol
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Vote: Quicksync
I find it funny that everyone has been thinking he's scum, then suddenly when he claims a PR (something scum like to do), everybody thinks he's town.
I have more to say, but I have to go to bed.
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Vote: sudgy
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Vote: Quicksync
I find it funny that everyone has been thinking he's scum, then suddenly when he claims a PR (something scum like to do), everybody thinks he's town.
I have more to say, but I have to go to bed.
Oh, good then you're not claiming vig.
Its a safe lynch people.
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Vote: Quicksync
I find it funny that everyone has been thinking he's scum, then suddenly when he claims a PR (something scum like to do), everybody thinks he's town.
I have more to say, but I have to go to bed.
Oh, good then you're not claiming vig.
Its a safe lynch people.
Also no argument that I'm mime.
Apparently I picked the perfect target.
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Wait a second, I meant Faust, not WW. Though WW fits too.
I think QS is town. Even if I'm wrong, I want to see more of what kind of a player he is.
With the exception that none of that applies to me whatsoever. But, otherwise, sure.
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Is Sudgy lynched already?
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I'm pretty sure
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So.. flippity flip?
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Vote: sudgy
Hammering your partner. Nice.
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Thread Locked
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Final Day 2 Vote Count
“Death is the only real elegance.” ― Zelda Fitzgerald, Save Me the Waltz
Sudgy (6): QuickSync, Seprix, Ghacob, gkrieg13, Axxle, faust
QuickSync (2): XerxesPraelor, sudgy
Seprix (1): Witherweaver
Axxle (1): silverspawn
Not Voting (1): chairs
With 11 alive, it took 6 to lynch.
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Zelda had a very bad hangover. She and Scott had gone up to Montmartere to attend a party after the bookshop meeting, and when Scott had decided to not drink any more and focus on solving the mystery, she had decided to drink for both of them. As they were stepping down from the cab outside the café, Zelda confessed to murdering Sylvia Beach during her hour and a half long trip to the bathroom.
"That's a rather sick joke, Zelda. Don't say things like that."
"Oh but I'm not joking dear! One of our writer friends followed me, I'm sure he can tell you I'm not lying. I wouldn't lie about something so important."
Scott Fitzgerald sighed. "So, why'd you do it?"
"She was going to get one of our dear friends thrown in jail. And she has been just an unbearable harpy about your back library fees.
Scott did not write anything more that was good until after he let himself realize that she was insane.
Sudgy has been lynched. He was Zelda Fitzgerald, a Mafia Goon.
Night 2 begins now and ends Thursday, September 3rd at 1 P.M. forum time (extending Night an hour for mod-convenience.) All night actions are due by September 3rd, Noon forum time.
Thread remains locked.
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Everyone please remember to confirm in your QTs over the night. Even if you're a VT.
Any post will count as a confirmation, you don't have to say "confirm."
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Day will actually start closer to 1:30 or 2 PM forum time today.
I knew noon wasn't doable, but 1 might not be either.
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Scott Fitzgerald offered to escort his wife to the police station downtown. They never arrived.
The next morning, the police found the Fitzgeralds washed up on the shore of the left bank of the Seine, not far from where James Joyce had been discovered. The death was ruled "Death by Misadventure." It was decided they had drank too much and gone for an ill-advised swim. But although they were both drunks, Scott was a strong swimmer, and Zelda was afraid of the water.
While identifying the bodies at the morgue, Gertrude Stein pulled a damp note from Scott's right breast pocket.
So we beat on, boats against the current, borne back ceaselessly into the past.
gkrieg13 has been killed. He was F. Scott Fitzgerald, a Vanilla Townie.
Day 3 Begins
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Vote Count 3.0
Every one suspects himself of at least one of the cardinal virtues, and this is mine: I am one of the few honest people that I have ever known. ― F. Scott Fitzgerald, The Great Gatsby
Not Voting (9): chairs, silverspawn, Witherweaver, XerxesPraelor, QuickSync, Seprix, Ghacob, Axxle, faust
With 9 alive, it takes 5 to lynch, 5 to no-lynch.
Day 3 ends Friday September 11 at 2 PM forum time.
Thread Unlocked.
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Didn't we have, like, two PR claims yesterday?
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There's a Vig, so I suspect that the Night Kill has been Jailkept (Roleblocked) by a Mime? Or perhaps the Vig was Jailkept instead.
vote: Faust to start out the day.
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Alternately, the vig may not be shooting. Which is a mistake.
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Well... uh. I don't understand. I think at least one team is messing up big time.
We need QS and Seprix to share their results. Then we can look out for counterclaims.
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I'm not sharing my results for now, until I can either verify or debunk a claim.
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I'm not sharing my results for now, until I can either verify or debunk a claim.
That makes no sense. YOu can neither verify nor debunk claims.
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I'm not sharing my results for now, until I can either verify or debunk a claim.
That sounds like a great way to have all of the apparent towniness that comes with a PR but with none of the responsibility
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I don't think there is a scum motivation for Seprix fake claiming the vanilla cop.
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I agree, Seprix is basically guaranteed Town imho, as there's no counterclaim.
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I don't think there is a scum motivation for Seprix fake claiming the vanilla cop.
I agree, but neither is there a town motivation. So I'm confused.
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I don't think there is a scum motivation for Seprix fake claiming the vanilla cop.
I agree, but neither is there a town motivation. So I'm confused.
... you're saying he's lying here? Or did you mean the VT thing?
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I'm surprised QS isn't dead yet. We probably won't see much of him as he seems to be busy, but it will be interesting to see what he has to say. I still have my gut read on Faust based on yesterday.
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Do you think it's town to be ok with a no lynch?
No Lynch post here probably confirms in my mind Axxle is Mime, too.
Seriously. I second my notion that Axxle is mime.
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Vig/Scum probably hit mime. But I don't want someone claiming Vig, they're too valuable to die right now.
Here's my read, okay? Faust is being all 'diplomatic' about QS, right? D1, Faust was saying QS is scummy but then QS is somehow not scummy anyways, and now Faust is flat out against QS, like if QS was a for sure lynch, Faust would look good, right? Perfect thing to hide behind.
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I think everyone should claim whether they are PR or Vanilla town. At this point, almost all the Vanilla Town players are DEAD. Not a single PR has been hit yet, oddly. So we need to have claims right now. It's perfect. I don't need to know what you are, just if you're a PR or Vanilla Town.
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Do you think it's town to be ok with a no lynch?
No Lynch post here probably confirms in my mind Axxle is Mime, too.
Seriously. I second my notion that Axxle is mime.
I noticed you said that before too, if you bothered to read the context I'm suggesting that no lynching is a bad idea.
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I think everyone should claim whether they are PR or Vanilla town. At this point, almost all the Vanilla Town players are DEAD. Not a single PR has been hit yet, oddly. So we need to have claims right now. It's perfect. I don't need to know what you are, just if you're a PR or Vanilla Town.
i disagree. The backup vig shouldn't have to out themselves
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Seprix, share your results NOW.
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I agree, Seprix is basically guaranteed Town imho, as there's no counterclaim.
No he's not.
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I'm surprised QS isn't dead yet. We probably won't see much of him as he seems to be busy, but it will be interesting to see what he has to say. I still have my gut read on Faust based on yesterday.
Still going on gut reads this lat in the game? That is just not good enough. Seprix, if you are the role you claim to be share your results.
If there is a counter claim to Seprix, now is the time to divulge that info. We can can wrap this up pretty quickly if there is a counter claim based on the info I have about seprix.
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Seprix, share your results NOW.
Why? You know I scouted you yesterday, and I scouted someone else today. You already know half of my check. If you absolutely think I should say anyways, okay. And what about your scouting?
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Seprix, share your results NOW.
Why? You know I scouted you yesterday, and I scouted someone else today. You already know half of my check. If you absolutely think I should say anyways, okay. And what about your scouting?
Seprix, If you are scum you would know that sudgy did in fact NK Teprop. It would be a very acceptable play as scum to buss your teammate with such incriminating evidence against them. Plus I have info on you so I will know if your claim is not true or not depending on the info you provide.
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I agree, Seprix is basically guaranteed Town imho, as there's no counterclaim.
No he's not.
Why? Mafia!him claiming this would be instalose, right? Mime claiming this.... seems mighty risky. He'd have to bank on counterclaiming and thinking we'll lynch him?
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I agree, Seprix is basically guaranteed Town imho, as there's no counterclaim.
No he's not.
Why? Mafia!him claiming this would be instalose, right? Mime claiming this.... seems mighty risky. He'd have to bank on counterclaiming and thinking we'll lynch him?
That assumes that Seprix knows I was telling the truth in the first place. AND based on my early game tunnel on him I find that Seprix being Mime is highly unlikely.
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Seprix, share your results NOW.
Why? You know I scouted you yesterday, and I scouted someone else today. You already know half of my check. If you absolutely think I should say anyways, okay. And what about your scouting?
Seprix, If you are scum you would know that sudgy did in fact NK Teprop. It would be a very acceptable play as scum to buss your teammate with such incriminating evidence against them. Plus I have info on you so I will know if your claim is not true or not depending on the info you provide.
You said the whole Watcher thing. I believed you, gave your story a good run. And congrats, seems you're correct! You obviously tracked me last night, so you already know who I checked out. So since you're clearly already Town for sure, why don't YOU tell me who I checked?
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Seprix, share your results NOW.
Why? You know I scouted you yesterday, and I scouted someone else today. You already know half of my check. If you absolutely think I should say anyways, okay. And what about your scouting?
Seprix, If you are scum you would know that sudgy did in fact NK Teprop. It would be a very acceptable play as scum to buss your teammate with such incriminating evidence against them. Plus I have info on you so I will know if your claim is not true or not depending on the info you provide.
You said the whole Watcher thing. I believed you, gave your story a good run. And congrats, seems you're correct! You obviously tracked me last night, so you already know who I checked out. So since you're clearly already Town for sure, why don't YOU tell me who I checked?
Lynch all liars.
Vote: Seprix
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I don't really get this.
I don't think there's a reason for Seprix and QS not to claim.
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I don't really get this.
I don't think there's a reason for Seprix and QS not to claim.
I am confirmed Town. Seprix is not. That is why Seprix needs to say who he investigated last night.
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I don't really get this.
I don't think there's a reason for Seprix and QS not to claim.
I am confirmed Town. Seprix is not. That is why Seprix needs to say who he investigated last night.
Okay, whatever. I checked out Witherweaver.
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He is not VT.
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@WW,
Ask yourself what are the possibilities that both myself and Seprix are both alive after both claiming PT? I'll tell you the most likely reason. Seprix is Scum because he is not dead.
I really honestly think that Seprix needs to say who he investigated and then we can all mass calim Seprix can clear Town if he investigated a PT. That would give 3 confirmed Power Town in the game which would be huge. Then we do mass claim and that would greatly shrink the lynch pool down. Then we can use VCA and the rest is left up to scum hunting and we have this game in the bag.
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He is not VT.
WW, what is your role?
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@WW,
Ask yourself what are the possibilities that both myself and Seprix are both alive after both claiming PT? I'll tell you the most likely reason. Seprix is Scum because he is not dead.
I really honestly think that Seprix needs to say who he investigated and then we can all mass calim Seprix can clear Town if he investigated a PT. That would give 3 confirmed Power Town in the game which would be huge. Then we do mass claim and that would greatly shrink the lynch pool down. Then we can use VCA and the rest is left up to scum hunting and we have this game in the bag.
WHAT ABOUT YOU!?!?!?
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Your argument immediately falls apart.
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@WW,
Ask yourself what are the possibilities that both myself and Seprix are both alive after both claiming PT? I'll tell you the most likely reason. Seprix is Scum because he is not dead.
I really honestly think that Seprix needs to say who he investigated and then we can all mass calim Seprix can clear Town if he investigated a PT. That would give 3 confirmed Power Town in the game which would be huge. Then we do mass claim and that would greatly shrink the lynch pool down. Then we can use VCA and the rest is left up to scum hunting and we have this game in the bag.
WHAT ABOUT YOU!?!?!?
What about me? Are you saying I am not confirmed town at this point?
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PT outnumber VT claims at this point. That's pretty much an auto win for Town now.
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Its so easy at this point. We just don't lynch PT. This is why an Mass claim is necessary.
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Then everyone claims PT... But that's hard. Yeah, Town is probably going to win at this point. We just can't screw it up.
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There's only one Scum left. We just have to find the Mafia and avoid the Mime.
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Town wins this game if you all start listening to me.
I've been saving this one for an occasion like this:
https://youtu.be/6iQNXr4eKis
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OK I don't understand why QS is confirmed Town.
Please explain.
With Seprix, I can say "It is my opinion that Seprix would not claim Neapolitan as Mafia, because he could get counterclaimed. He could claim it as Mime, but we could check him via Vig shot (which I am STILL annoyed with our Vig, but whatever), so it's risky as Mime in the counterclaim scenario as well. In either case, he has NOT been counterclaimed, so imho Seprix is IC.
Conversely, QS is arguing Seprix is NOT an IC, which (based on my logic above) indicates QS is scum. But Seprix doesn't appear to believe QS is scum, and Seprix is the IC so I have at least some mild faith that his reads are coming from a good point.
PLEASE GOOBY ESPLAIN.
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For QS to be scum, he would to have bussed his partner. That's insane. We can Vig him last chance we get, but otherwise assume he's town? There are only 2 scum, bussing your own partner is insanity here.
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I agree, Seprix is basically guaranteed Town imho, as there's no counterclaim.
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What does PT mean?
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And that lynch went fast - I would have been pretty annoyed if it didn't turn out to be scum.
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What does PT mean?
Power town, from the context.
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Started writing a post a few times, didn't get far any time, the big thing I wanted to say was that massclaiming is pro-scum, both mime and mafia
In a slightly different direction, silverspawn hasn't posted at all today; is this the master mimestrat?
Worth a vote:ss
PPE:1
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Umm... Please don't lynch mimes, thanks.
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Seprix, share your results NOW.
Why? You know I scouted you yesterday, and I scouted someone else today. You already know half of my check. If you absolutely think I should say anyways, okay. And what about your scouting?
Seprix, If you are scum you would know that sudgy did in fact NK Teprop. It would be a very acceptable play as scum to buss your teammate with such incriminating evidence against them. Plus I have info on you so I will know if your claim is not true or not depending on the info you provide.
You said the whole Watcher thing. I believed you, gave your story a good run. And congrats, seems you're correct! You obviously tracked me last night, so you already know who I checked out. So since you're clearly already Town for sure, why don't YOU tell me who I checked?
Trackers and watchers are different roles.
Who did you target N1 and why ww and that target?
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Vote: sudgy
Hammering your partner. Nice.
Anything you wanna say about this?
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OK I don't understand why QS is confirmed Town.
Please explain.
With Seprix, I can say "It is my opinion that Seprix would not claim Neapolitan as Mafia, because he could get counterclaimed. He could claim it as Mime, but we could check him via Vig shot (which I am STILL annoyed with our Vig, but whatever), so it's risky as Mime in the counterclaim scenario as well. In either case, he has NOT been counterclaimed, so imho Seprix is IC.
Conversely, QS is arguing Seprix is NOT an IC, which (based on my logic above) indicates QS is scum. But Seprix doesn't appear to believe QS is scum, and Seprix is the IC so I have at least some mild faith that his reads are coming from a good point.
PLEASE GOOBY ESPLAIN.
First things first. We need a mass claim. We have NO PT dead yet and that is what cost mafia the game.
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OK I don't understand why QS is confirmed Town.
Please explain.
With Seprix, I can say "It is my opinion that Seprix would not claim Neapolitan as Mafia, because he could get counterclaimed. He could claim it as Mime, but we could check him via Vig shot (which I am STILL annoyed with our Vig, but whatever), so it's risky as Mime in the counterclaim scenario as well. In either case, he has NOT been counterclaimed, so imho Seprix is IC.
Conversely, QS is arguing Seprix is NOT an IC, which (based on my logic above) indicates QS is scum. But Seprix doesn't appear to believe QS is scum, and Seprix is the IC so I have at least some mild faith that his reads are coming from a good point.
PLEASE GOOBY ESPLAIN.
First things first. We need a mass claim. We have NO PT dead yet and that is what cost mafia the game.
We all claim and lynch a random VT claim. to make for 4 VT claims left and 4 PT claims.
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Vote: sudgy
Hammering your partner. Nice.
Anything you wanna say about this?
Faust reluctantly hammered Sudgy for town cred.
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Vote: sudgy
Hammering your partner. Nice.
Anything you wanna say about this?
Faust reluctantly hammered Sudgy for town cred.
This is conjecture.
The only way to secure a Town win is if there is a Mass claim. Do the math. We all claim. Scum and Mime are forced to claim VT because of your role dude. We have a vig a watcher and a PT investigator at this point. If we Vig All VT claims and lynch all VT claims then we automatically win as town because even if the 2 other VT die by next day, there are only 3 VT claims left and 4 PT left which we can easily confirm in one day. Even if mafia NK the vig, not only is there a back up vig but there is also a watcher in the game that can see who targeted the Vig. Scum made the worst play ever by keeping 2 PT alive and instead NKing a VT. There is no way Town loses this game.
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Unvote
I kept that vote for too long to where it could be WIFOM. Sorry about that.
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Scum isn't forced to do anything if I die.
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They are though because I can watch you to see who targets you.
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Bump.
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Vote Count 3.1
I'm not sentimental―I'm as romantic as you are. The idea, you know, is that the sentimental person thinks things will last―the romantic person has a desperate confidence that they won't. ― F. Scott Fitzgerald, This Side of Paradise
silverspawn (1): Ghacob
Faust (1): Seprix
Not Voting (7): chairs, silverspawn, Witherweaver, XerxesPraelor, Axxle, faust, QuickSync
With 9 alive, it takes 5 to lynch, 5 to no-lynch.
Day 3 ends Friday September 11 at 2 PM forum time..
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Seprix and everyone else who is town, Trust me on this. If we do mass claim the game is won for town.
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I wish UmbrageOfSnow or Teproc was here. :/ I'm not entirely sure we're doing the best town play, though it sounds right.
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Seprix, no one visited you last night. That is why I thought you were mafia, because what Mafia would be dumb enough to let 2 PT live. Mafia didn't NK me which was the mistake that cost them the game. We must mass claim. If we do that then we win.
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Quick (pun) calculation:
Why didn't Scum kill me? Why didn't scum kill QC? Incompetence? Come on. Scum COULD be QC, but that's insanity since he bussed his only partner! Would QC do that!? God, I just don't know. Perhaps Goons are covering each other's rears with their Jailkeeping ability depending on who is more likely to get NKd, and scum has just been incredibly unlucky with Nightkills. I refuse to believe that Town's Vig is NOT using his power.
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Gkraig was pretty pro-town (but had some people questioning his validity), but there was me AND QC not killed during the night. WHY!?
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I wish UmbrageOfSnow or Teproc was here. :/ I'm not entirely sure we're doing the best town play, though it sounds right.
No one is going to lynch you as long as there is no CC. The Vig is not going to NK you because there is no CC. We have 3 PT roles that can all act like investigative roles. Town can out kill Mafia at this point and if all PT are accounted for the shear killing power of Town against mafia wins us the game. And we have a Back up Vig so even if Vig claims and Mafia NK them then if there is no death from the Vigs NK and the Vig tells who they are going to target then the Back up Vig can simply NK the same target. That will either ensure that Mime can't win or it will win us the game my killing mafia. So there is no need to worry that mass claim is going to fail. Worst case scenario is that both mimes and Mafia claim PT and they would have to all be different PT. Even if that's the case then I can target one of them, you can target one of them and the Vig can target one of them and we will get it all squared away in one night.
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He is not VT.
I am VT
Vote: Seprix
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He is not VT.
I am VT
Vote: Seprix
WOAH! I'd vote for you right now, but you might be Goon..
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He is not VT.
I am VT
Vote: Seprix
We have a VT claim at this point and its the only one. Sorry if you are town, but We must vote off a VT claim at this point.
Vote: WW
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He is not VT.
I am VT
Vote: Seprix
WOAH! I'd vote for you right now, but you might be Goon..
So then vote him because that would win Town the game.
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He is not VT.
I am VT
Vote: Seprix
WOAH! I'd vote for you right now, but you might be Goon..
So then vote him because that would win Town the game.
If it IS Goons, it's not the end of the world.
vote: WW
WW is totally a Goon though. He's reading the chat, QS. He's not an idiot.
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Why is voting for a Goon bad? If you mean he's a Mime, that's different, but we can still lynch 1 mime and be okay.
vote: WW.
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I meant Mime when I said Goon.
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No, no, no, no no no no no no no no. This is just too easy. This is way too easy. WW KNOWS I said he wasn't a VT for sure, and he's just challenging me head on like this? That's disgusting. Blatant Mime play. QS even said lynch all Mimes. No, let's let the Vig worry about him instead.
unvote
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No, no, no, no no no no no no no no. This is just too easy. This is way too easy. WW KNOWS I said he wasn't a VT for sure, and he's just challenging me head on like this? That's disgusting. Blatant Mime play. QS even said lynch all VTs. No, let's let the Vig worry about him instead.
unvote
*QS Even said lynch all VTs
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Why is voting for a Goon bad? If you mean he's a Mime, that's different, but we can still lynch 1 mime and be okay.
vote: WW.
Actually, voting off one mime gives us an advantage since it leave the single mime left open for NK by vig and My watcher ability to see if they target themselves.
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unvote. Too tired to think this through right now.
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Why is voting for a Goon bad? If you mean he's a Mime, that's different, but we can still lynch 1 mime and be okay.
vote: WW.
Actually, voting off one mime gives us an advantage since it leave the single mime left open for NK by vig and My watcher ability to see if they target themselves.
Pretty low optimistic odds there. You could be dead by then anyways.
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Why is voting for a Goon bad? If you mean he's a Mime, that's different, but we can still lynch 1 mime and be okay.
vote: WW.
Actually, voting off one mime gives us an advantage since it leave the single mime left open for NK by vig and My watcher ability to see if they target themselves.
Pretty low optimistic odds there. You could be dead by then anyways.
That's why we need a mass claim now.
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No, no, no, no no no no no no no no. This is just too easy. This is way too easy. WW KNOWS I said he wasn't a VT for sure, and he's just challenging me head on like this? That's disgusting. Blatant Mime play. QS even said lynch all VTs. No, let's let the Vig worry about him instead.
unvote
*QS Even said lynch all VTs
All VT CLAIMS there is a difference there. I also said that we should lynch all VT claims. Unless you want to make a 180 and say I'm mime, but that would mean I shouldn't get lynch, which would be what I want being town. If I'm a goon I will show up as vanilla.
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I honestly have no clue what Seprix is doing.
What's your reason for "targeting" me?
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I'm surprised QS isn't dead yet. We probably won't see much of him as he seems to be busy, but it will be interesting to see what he has to say. I still have my gut read on Faust based on yesterday.
What about yesterday makes you think I'm scum?
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I think everyone should claim whether they are PR or Vanilla town. At this point, almost all the Vanilla Town players are DEAD. Not a single PR has been hit yet, oddly. So we need to have claims right now. It's perfect. I don't need to know what you are, just if you're a PR or Vanilla Town.
No.
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I don't think there is a scum motivation for Seprix fake claiming the vanilla cop.
I agree, but neither is there a town motivation. So I'm confused.
... you're saying he's lying here? Or did you mean the VT thing?
His claim made no sense. Before he claimed, we knew QS was either scum or the Watcher. After his claim, we knew QS was either scum or the Watcher. In other words, we learned nothing.
Plus he claimed VT before, which does not add up.
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I don't really get this.
I don't think there's a reason for Seprix and QS not to claim.
I am confirmed Town. Seprix is not. That is why Seprix needs to say who he investigated last night.
Okay, whatever. I checked out Witherweaver.
Why not me, if you think I'm scum?
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Its so easy at this point. We just don't lynch PT. This is why an Mass claim is necessary.
I don't think that's the best way to go. We can always claim at L-1.
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Vote: sudgy
Hammering your partner. Nice.
Anything you wanna say about this?
Faust reluctantly hammered Sudgy for town cred.
I hammered because I wanted to end this day in order to keep the confusion about whether you really were the Neapolitan or not. I didn't want town to make more unnecessary claims than they already did.
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Seprix, no one visited you last night. That is why I thought you were mafia, because what Mafia would be dumb enough to let 2 PT live. Mafia didn't NK me which was the mistake that cost them the game. We must mass claim. If we do that then we win.
You are sure about this, yes? You weren't jailkept for sure?
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So is siler the only one who didn't post yet? I hope for my own sanity that he comes in soon and counterclaims someone.
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*silver
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So, riddle me this:
We go into night with two claimed PRs, among them the most dangerous PR of all (the Watcher). The single best play for mafia is to kill the Watcher. It can only be blocked by the Mimes, who have no interest in blocking the kill.
Yet the mafia does not kill the Watcher. Neither do they kill the other claimed PR (which, by the way, would also have been a pretty stupid move). Instead, they kill some random other guy.
This pretty much proves to me that the single mafia player left didn't really think their decision through. Which narrows down the lynch pool significantly, I think.
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I think I want to lynch among chairs/Ghacob/Xerxes.
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Seprix, no one visited you last night. That is why I thought you were mafia, because what Mafia would be dumb enough to let 2 PT live. Mafia didn't NK me which was the mistake that cost them the game. We must mass claim. If we do that then we win.
You are sure about this, yes? You weren't jailkept for sure?
Based on my result I am sure yes.
So, riddle me this:
We go into night with two claimed PRs, among them the most dangerous PR of all (the Watcher). The single best play for mafia is to kill the Watcher. It can only be blocked by the Mimes, who have no interest in blocking the kill.
Yet the mafia does not kill the Watcher. Neither do they kill the other claimed PR (which, by the way, would also have been a pretty stupid move). Instead, they kill some random other guy.
This pretty much proves to me that the single mafia player left didn't really think their decision through. Which narrows down the lynch pool significantly, I think.
No, it does not prove that the person didn't think things through. All it proves is that they didn't make the obvious NK choice.
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Well, I believe that killing the Watcher is the single best strategy for scum here.
I guess there is a nonzero chance that the Mimes jailkept the mafia and the vig shot gkrieg? But I find it hard to believe the Mimes would jailkeep anyone but themselves. Then again, this whole scenario is hard to believe. I'll just wait for silver to show up and counterclaim.
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I'm still traumatized by ridiculous rl stuff that happened. I'll get to this game in a few days.
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I don't really get this.
I don't think there's a reason for Seprix and QS not to claim.
I am confirmed Town. Seprix is not. That is why Seprix needs to say who he investigated last night.
Okay, whatever. I checked out Witherweaver.
Why not me, if you think I'm scum?
If I hit the last VT or two, that's another confirmed Town and it's super helpful.
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So, riddle me this:
We go into night with two claimed PRs, among them the most dangerous PR of all (the Watcher). The single best play for mafia is to kill the Watcher. It can only be blocked by the Mimes, who have no interest in blocking the kill.
Yet the mafia does not kill the Watcher. Neither do they kill the other claimed PR (which, by the way, would also have been a pretty stupid move). Instead, they kill some random other guy.
This pretty much proves to me that the single mafia player left didn't really think their decision through. Which narrows down the lynch pool significantly, I think.
This answers my Question. However, what about the lack of Vigs?
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I'm still traumatized by ridiculous rl stuff that happened. I'll get to this game in a few days.
...oh god! Hope you're okay!
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Faust sounds town. Could be mime I guess.
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I'm guessing the more likely scenario is that Seprix is Sudgy's partner and just misplayed once Sudgy was outed. Botched claims happen. (E.g., TA in Mistborn.)
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If Sudgy is mime, then lynching him is bad, but not terrible. In which case I'm still looking at Ghacob as the other Mafia. Faust could be Sudgy's mime partner, given that he's going after him, but I don't think Faust would play that way.
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Er, that should say "If Seprix is mime"
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I'm guessing the more likely scenario is that Seprix is Sudgy's partner and just misplayed once Sudgy was outed. Botched claims happen. (E.g., TA in Mistborn.)
Jesus Christ, I'm not stupid! vote: WW
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Why always lynch VT's? Scum will just claim PR then, right, and mime will claim VT. Seprix can't check everyone at the same time.
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vote: seprix
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I think I want to lynch among chairs/Ghacob/Xerxes.
This pretty much proves to me that the single mafia player left didn't really think their decision through. Which narrows down the lynch pool significantly, I think.
I don't know whether to be insulted - I'm pretty sure I'd know to kill the watcher since there's no doctor.
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uh, likewise.
I don't see a scum!chairs narrative here, but then I'm biased as I know I'm Town.
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Why always lynch VT's? Scum will just claim PR then, right, and mime will claim VT. Seprix can't check everyone at the same time.
I was thinking this last night, but figured I was just too sleepy to understand.
I still think Seprix is Town, and the lack of a Watcher counterclaim means I grudgingly have to accept that QS is Town.
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vote: Ghacob. Explaining why would be... difficult.
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Vote Count 3.2
A village explainer. Excellent if you were a village, but if you were not, not. ― Gertrude Stein on Ezra Pound
Seprix (2): Witherweaver, XerxesPraelor
Witherweaver (2): QuickSync, Seprix
Ghacob (1): chairs
silverspawn (1): Ghacob
Not Voting (3): silverspawn, Axxle, faust
With 9 alive, it takes 5 to lynch, 5 to no-lynch.
Day 3 ends Friday September 11 at 2 PM forum time..
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I'm guessing the more likely scenario is that Seprix is Sudgy's partner and just misplayed once Sudgy was outed. Botched claims happen. (E.g., TA in Mistborn.)
Jesus Christ, I'm not stupid! vote: WW
But you are. You misplayed. Well, unless you're a mime. Are you?
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Sorry, that came out wrong. I didn't mean to say you are stupid. Only, if you are town, clearly you should see that you misplayed. So it's not too far-fetched for WW to assume you might also misplay as scum.
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So, riddle me this:
We go into night with two claimed PRs, among them the most dangerous PR of all (the Watcher). The single best play for mafia is to kill the Watcher. It can only be blocked by the Mimes, who have no interest in blocking the kill.
Yet the mafia does not kill the Watcher. Neither do they kill the other claimed PR (which, by the way, would also have been a pretty stupid move). Instead, they kill some random other guy.
This pretty much proves to me that the single mafia player left didn't really think their decision through. Which narrows down the lynch pool significantly, I think.
This answers my Question. However, what about the lack of Vigs?
Well... it's weird. I don't really know, but I guess vig is a difficult role to play here. I thought about vig claiming a bit, but mainly, if the vig claims, it's super bad, because we effectively lose our vig shot forever. So two possibilities:
A) Vig found scum and is quietly trying to push that without claiming
B) Vig messed up and didn't shoot/somehow managed to hit scum's NK targets.
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vote: seprix
How can you be voting for Seprix without having heard a counterclaim?
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I think I want to lynch among chairs/Ghacob/Xerxes.
This pretty much proves to me that the single mafia player left didn't really think their decision through. Which narrows down the lynch pool significantly, I think.
I don't know whether to be insulted - I'm pretty sure I'd know to kill the watcher since there's no doctor.
Well... I don't really think it's possible, but with the other players, I think it's even less possible. Basically someone's gotta be behind this.
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Well, but how about vote: Ghacob?
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vote: ww
at this point either seprix or ww is lying. If seprix is lying he's either mafia or mime. If he was mine he would have selflynched.... Probably. Not sure if he realized he could. If he's mafia his play was pretty suicidal. So I think he's tellling the truth.
That means ww is lying. He's either a mime or mafia. His interactions with sudgy are pretty bad and he doesn't seem mimish.
I don't get where this ghacob thing came from.
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vote: ghacob
After actually thinking about it for more than a second
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vote: ww
at this point either seprix or ww is lying. If seprix is lying he's either mafia or mime. If he was mine he would have selflynched.... Probably. Not sure if he realized he could. If he's mafia his play was pretty suicidal. So I think he's tellling the truth.
That means ww is lying. He's either a mime or mafia. His interactions with sudgy are pretty bad and he doesn't seem mimish.
I don't get where this ghacob thing came from.
He would have to be Mime then, and I'm just not seeing that. Seprix said WW was a PR and WW said he's not so if WW is lying he would have to be either Mime or PT.
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You're misreading what neopolitan does.
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You're misreading what neopolitan does.
K, tell me then.
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vote: ghacob
After actually thinking about it for more than a second
Explain?
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You're misreading what neopolitan does.
K, tell me then.
You're misreading what neopolitan does.
This is good. It seemed that Seprix made it out to look like he gets the result PR or non-PR. I guess its pretty worthless at this point.
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vote: ww
at this point either seprix or ww is lying. If seprix is lying he's either mafia or mime. If he was mine he would have selflynched.... Probably. Not sure if he realized he could. If he's mafia his play was pretty suicidal. So I think he's tellling the truth.
That means ww is lying. He's either a mime or mafia. His interactions with sudgy are pretty bad and he doesn't seem mimish.
I don't get where this ghacob thing came from.
He would have to be Mime then, and I'm just not seeing that. Seprix said WW was a PR and WW said he's not so if WW is lying he would have to be either Mime or PT.
All I know is that WW ain't VT.
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vote: ghacob
After actually thinking about it for more than a second
Explain?
maybe later
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I have a town read on Axxel fwiw.
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Do you have a lynch Seprix read? Because you should.
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Do you have a lynch Seprix read? Because you should.
I'm on the fence about it.
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Do you have a lynch Seprix read? Because you should.
If I get lynched, you'll be found a liar, and there's no way you'll get away with it. You know this! You're totally a goon.
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Do you have a lynch Seprix read? Because you should.
If I get lynched, you'll be found a liar, and there's no way you'll get away with it. You know this! You're totally a goon.
That's evidence he isn't a goon.
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unvote because now I'm thinking Seprix might be mime. I'll reread ghqcob.
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Do you have a lynch Seprix read? Because you should.
If I get lynched, you'll be found a liar, and there's no way you'll get away with it. You know this! You're totally a goon.
That's evidence he isn't a goon.
I keep saying Goon, and I mean Mime.
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That's too many votes on Ghacob for me to feel comfortable.
unvote
I don't want this Day ended without silver having a chance to post.
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IO have a town read on Faust. He's posting way too much to be scum IMO.
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IO have a town read on Faust. He's posting way too much to be scum IMO.
You should read some of my scum games.
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IO have a town read on Faust. He's posting way too much to be scum IMO.
You should read some of my scum games.
Why is that?
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IO have a town read on Faust. He's posting way too much to be scum IMO.
You should read some of my scum games.
Why is that?
I feel like I'm posting a lot as scum. I don't think posting a lot is an alignment tell for me.
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Don't like being townread, mime?
In all seriousness, I don't see why you're bothering to question a townread on yourself from town.
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Don't like being townread, mime?
In all seriousness, I don't see why you're bothering to question a townread on yourself from town.
I don't like lazy reads.
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Don't like being townread, mime?
In all seriousness, I don't see why you're bothering to question a townread on yourself from town.
I don't like lazy reads.
You didn't say anything about my town read on you.
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unvote because now I'm thinking Seprix might be mime. I'll reread ghqcob.
If he was, he missed the opportunity to lynch himself Day 1.
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Do you have a lynch Seprix read? Because you should.
If I get lynched, you'll be found a liar, and there's no way you'll get away with it. You know this! You're totally a goon.
That's evidence he isn't a goon.
I keep saying Goon, and I mean Mime.
So you think I'm a mime and you're trying to lynch me? I think you're having trouble keeping your story straight.
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Don't like being townread, mime?
In all seriousness, I don't see why you're bothering to question a townread on yourself from town.
Not sure if you're just fluffing here, but do you think Faust's post would really dissipate town reads?
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okay, I shall catch up
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this game is confusing.
I'm not the watcher or na..poleon thing, so I can't counter claim.
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so, Seprix and QS are confirmed town. There is no counter claim. I don't really understand the confusion about this.
If anything, watcher could maaaybe think he's too valuable to counter claim QS. But Neapolitan isn't that good, so he really shouldn't hold back. If there is a Neapolitan out there, counter claim asap.
So WW isn't a VT. That leaves
40% mime
20% vig
20% backup vig
20% goon
He claimed to be VT. Thing is, whether that makes him more or less likely to be lynched is WIFOM, which means that it makes sense for all 4 of those categories (mime want to get lynched, the rest doesn't).
Actually, since we know Seprix is telling the truth, it's kind of null. WW has been lying... for whatever reason.
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Actually, I'm not so sure about Watcher being stronger than Neapolitan anymore, now that I think about it.
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okay, let me do some clean analysis. I'll assume that our two claims are conf!town for now.
These are 9 players left alive, consisting of
2 Vanilla Townies
1 Vigilante
1 Backup Vigilante
2 Mimes
1 Goon
QS the Watcher
Seprix the Neapolitan
Now let's analyze a massclaim. First, let's see how many lynches we have left. Right now it is
6/1/2
So, in order to have the majority, we need 4 town players left alive. That means we can lynch, no-kill, lynch, shoot (worst case). That makes 2 safe kills, 1 blockable kill.
Now let's assume everyone claims. Let's also not include our two confirmed towns to simplify things. Then we have
2 Vanilla Townies claiming VT
1 Vigilante claiming Vigilante
1 Backup Vigilante claiming Backup Vigilante
2 Mimes claiming ?
1 Goon claiming ?
That will leave us with an overlap of 3 spaced out over 3 categories. How useful that is depends on how they distribute their claims. I should probably stop here...
It does seem good to me though. Note also that, if the vig shot a mime, we have additional information
I think I'm in favor of a massclaim.
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Basically, since we have a backup-vig, there is no downside to a massclaim. The vig can shoot Night 4 anyway.
I really think we should massclaim.
Seprix or QS should determine an order.
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okay, let me do some clean analysis. I'll assume that our two claims are conf!town for now.
These are 9 players left alive, consisting of
2 Vanilla Townies
1 Vigilante
1 Backup Vigilante
2 Mimes
1 Goon
QS the Watcher
Seprix the Neapolitan
Now let's analyze a massclaim. First, let's see how many lynches we have left. Right now it is
6/1/2
So, in order to have the majority, we need 4 town players left alive. That means we can lynch, no-kill, lynch, shoot (worst case). That makes 2 safe kills, 1 blockable kill.
Now let's assume everyone claims. Let's also not include our two confirmed towns to simplify things. Then we have
2 Vanilla Townies claiming VT
1 Vigilante claiming Vigilante
1 Backup Vigilante claiming Backup Vigilante
2 Mimes claiming ?
1 Goon claiming ?
That will leave us with an overlap of 3 spaced out over 3 categories. How useful that is depends on how they distribute their claims. I should probably stop here...
It does seem good to me though. Note also that, if the vig shot a mime, we have additional information
I think I'm in favor of a massclaim.
ahh things to say real life stuff happening
jailkeeping mimes make this a bad idea gtgbye
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jailkeeping mimes make this a bad idea gtgbye
I don't think so... though we could maybe claim 'vig or backup vig' instead of 'vig' and 'backup vig' to change that.
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jailkeeping mimes make this a bad idea gtgbye
I don't think so... though we could maybe claim 'vig or backup vig' instead of 'vig' and 'backup vig' to change that.
That's actually what I was going to suggest
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okay, let me do some clean analysis. I'll assume that our two claims are conf!town for now.
These are 9 players left alive, consisting of
2 Vanilla Townies
1 Vigilante
1 Backup Vigilante
2 Mimes
1 Goon
QS the Watcher
Seprix the Neapolitan
Now let's analyze a massclaim. First, let's see how many lynches we have left. Right now it is
6/1/2
So, in order to have the majority, we need 4 town players left alive. That means we can lynch, no-kill, lynch, shoot (worst case). That makes 2 safe kills, 1 blockable kill.
Now let's assume everyone claims. Let's also not include our two confirmed towns to simplify things. Then we have
2 Vanilla Townies claiming VT
1 Vigilante claiming Vigilante
1 Backup Vigilante claiming Backup Vigilante
2 Mimes claiming ?
1 Goon claiming ?
That will leave us with an overlap of 3 spaced out over 3 categories. How useful that is depends on how they distribute their claims. I should probably stop here...
It does seem good to me though. Note also that, if the vig shot a mime, we have additional information
I think I'm in favor of a massclaim.
Basically, since we have a backup-vig, there is no downside to a massclaim. The vig can shoot Night 4 anyway.
I really think we should massclaim.
Seprix or QS should determine an order.
Thank God someone sees it finally. Woot!
OK Seprix I have the strongest Townread on you next to Seprix.
You're going first.
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And Axxel is claiming after you.
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Wait, why have the townie people claim first?
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Wait, why have the townie people claim first?
For a couple of reasons:
1. It will scare the crap out of scum.
2. Town reads are most to be trusted.
3. It makes it very difficult for scum to CC.
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How is it harder for scum to CC?
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OK Seprix I have the strongest Townread on you next to Seprix.
Lol
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Also, why does scum need to crowd control.
Yes I played MMOs
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OK Seprix I have the strongest Townread on you next to Seprix.
Lol
Should be SS, My bad
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Vote Count 3.3
It is the loose ends with which men hang themselves. ― Zelda Fitzgerald
Ghacob (2): chairs, Axxle
Witherweaver (2): QuickSync, Seprix
Seprix (1): Witherweaver
silverspawn (1): Ghacob
Not Voting (3): silverspawn, XerxesPraelor, faust
With 9 alive, it takes 5 to lynch, 5 to no-lynch.
Day 3 ends Friday September 11 at 2 PM forum time..
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unvote for now
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Unvote
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So what I'm saying is I don't know what CC means
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So what I'm saying is I don't know what CC means
Counter Claim
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A massclaim does not mean we automatically win the game. I do not see what is gained from a massclaim at this point, except that we give up our strongest PR.
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okay, let me do some clean analysis. I'll assume that our two claims are conf!town for now.
These are 9 players left alive, consisting of
2 Vanilla Townies
1 Vigilante
1 Backup Vigilante
2 Mimes
1 Goon
QS the Watcher
Seprix the Neapolitan
Now let's analyze a massclaim. First, let's see how many lynches we have left. Right now it is
6/1/2
So, in order to have the majority, we need 4 town players left alive. That means we can lynch, no-kill, lynch, shoot (worst case). That makes 2 safe kills, 1 blockable kill.
Now let's assume everyone claims. Let's also not include our two confirmed towns to simplify things. Then we have
2 Vanilla Townies claiming VT
1 Vigilante claiming Vigilante
1 Backup Vigilante claiming Backup Vigilante
2 Mimes claiming ?
1 Goon claiming ?
That will leave us with an overlap of 3 spaced out over 3 categories. How useful that is depends on how they distribute their claims. I should probably stop here...
It does seem good to me though. Note also that, if the vig shot a mime, we have additional information
I think I'm in favor of a massclaim.
So let's actually think that through.
If everyone claims, I think it's safe to assume we would hit 1 scum with our two lynches. The vig shots will most certainly be blocked. After the two lynches, QS and Seprix will be dead, so no additional information. Then we have one deciding lynch, and we lose if that lynch hits the Mime or a towny. Overall, I don't really see this increasing our odds of finding scum.
Now things would be different if the vig could confirm a Mime. Then I think we will pretty much have won. So vig, if you shot someone tonight that didn't die, I think that's worth sharing, and then (and only then) will I be in favor of a massclaim.
Otherwise, why don't we just lynch lying scum?
Vote: WW
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A massclaim does not mean we automatically win the game. I do not see what is gained from a massclaim at this point, except that we give up our strongest PR.
what we gain is the ability to divide the remaining players into factions. As in, there is one scum between A, B, and C, and the other two between E, F, G, H, and I, and J is an IC.
However. QS. You got it wrong. In a massclaim, scummy people claim first, townie people last. Not vice versa.
Scum wants as much information as possible to minimize the effectiveness of the aforementioned factions. Me claiming first is a really bad idea.
Tell us who you find scummiest. He claims first.
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A massclaim does not mean we automatically win the game. I do not see what is gained from a massclaim at this point, except that we give up our strongest PR.
Even if it does not automatically win us the game I don't see why you are opposed to it.. At this point the more info Town has to work with the better.
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okay, let me do some clean analysis. I'll assume that our two claims are conf!town for now.
These are 9 players left alive, consisting of
2 Vanilla Townies
1 Vigilante
1 Backup Vigilante
2 Mimes
1 Goon
QS the Watcher
Seprix the Neapolitan
Now let's analyze a massclaim. First, let's see how many lynches we have left. Right now it is
6/1/2
So, in order to have the majority, we need 4 town players left alive. That means we can lynch, no-kill, lynch, shoot (worst case). That makes 2 safe kills, 1 blockable kill.
Now let's assume everyone claims. Let's also not include our two confirmed towns to simplify things. Then we have
2 Vanilla Townies claiming VT
1 Vigilante claiming Vigilante
1 Backup Vigilante claiming Backup Vigilante
2 Mimes claiming ?
1 Goon claiming ?
That will leave us with an overlap of 3 spaced out over 3 categories. How useful that is depends on how they distribute their claims. I should probably stop here...
It does seem good to me though. Note also that, if the vig shot a mime, we have additional information
I think I'm in favor of a massclaim.
So let's actually think that through.
If everyone claims, I think it's safe to assume we would hit 1 scum with our two lynches. The vig shots will most certainly be blocked. After the two lynches, QS and Seprix will be dead, so no additional information. Then we have one deciding lynch, and we lose if that lynch hits the Mime or a towny. Overall, I don't really see this increasing our odds of finding scum.
Now things would be different if the vig could confirm a Mime. Then I think we will pretty much have won. So vig, if you shot someone tonight that didn't die, I think that's worth sharing, and then (and only then) will I be in favor of a massclaim.
Otherwise, why don't we just lynch lying scum?
Vote: WW
You are aware that if Seprix is telling the truth that WW pretty much has to be mime here?
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A massclaim does not mean we automatically win the game. I do not see what is gained from a massclaim at this point, except that we give up our strongest PR.
what we gain is the ability to divide the remaining players into factions. As in, there is one scum between A, B, and C, and the other two between E, F, G, H, and I, and J is an IC.
However. QS. You got it wrong. In a massclaim, scummy people claim first, townie people last. Not vice versa.
Scum wants as much information as possible to minimize the effectiveness of the aforementioned factions. Me claiming first is a really bad idea.
Tell us who you find scummiest. He claims first.
I forgot a reason why Town should claim first and that is that there is not guarantee that scum will want to play ball and Claim at this point. Most people are not in favor of a Mass Claim so I am trying to get it to actually work by encouraging Town to Claim.
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well, I'm not going to claim first. that's ridiculous.
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You are aware that if Seprix is telling the truth that WW pretty much has to be mime here?
No. Why?
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A massclaim does not mean we automatically win the game. I do not see what is gained from a massclaim at this point, except that we give up our strongest PR.
what we gain is the ability to divide the remaining players into factions. As in, there is one scum between A, B, and C, and the other two between E, F, G, H, and I, and J is an IC.
However. QS. You got it wrong. In a massclaim, scummy people claim first, townie people last. Not vice versa.
Scum wants as much information as possible to minimize the effectiveness of the aforementioned factions. Me claiming first is a really bad idea.
Tell us who you find scummiest. He claims first.
Yes, but what's the point really? We already found one lying scum, we can look for the rest tomorrow AND still get to use our PRs.
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Also, silver, why would you not claim first? I think you're scummy.
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Also, silver, why would you not claim first? I think you're scummy.
QS is the IC. if he thought I was scummy, fine. But since he thinks i'M towny... no. just, wtf. and I know that I'm town, so me claiming first is just plain bad. I also think it's pretty important here, mb more than in your average masslcaim.
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Maybe qs thinks ur scummy and wants to lampshade his read so you don't shoot him!
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author=Axxle link=topic=13735.msg522635#msg522635 date=1441544647]
Maybe qs thinks ur scummy and wants to lampshade his read so you don't shoot him!
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nah man. not everyone can be wrong here.
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But yeah, I agree that whoever qs thinks is scummiest should go first. Then maybe popcorn it?
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A massclaim does not mean we automatically win the game. I do not see what is gained from a massclaim at this point, except that we give up our strongest PR.
what we gain is the ability to divide the remaining players into factions. As in, there is one scum between A, B, and C, and the other two between E, F, G, H, and I, and J is an IC.
However. QS. You got it wrong. In a massclaim, scummy people claim first, townie people last. Not vice versa.
Scum wants as much information as possible to minimize the effectiveness of the aforementioned factions. Me claiming first is a really bad idea.
Tell us who you find scummiest. He claims first.
I forgot a reason why Town should claim first and that is that there is not guarantee that scum will want to play ball and Claim at this point. Most people are not in favor of a Mass Claim so I am trying to get it to actually work by encouraging Town to Claim.
No - we get the scummiest people to claim first precisely so that we don't end up in a situation where town's PRs have claimed and a mix of scum and town haven't.
Claiming first makes it harder to fake claim because scum has to decide what to do before knowing all the relevant information.
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yeah.
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Fine, if that's the way its going to be.
Faust, your up first.
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Fine, if that's the way its going to be.
Faust, your up first.
Cool. I'm not claiming.
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And this why it's good Faust went first - massclaims are only good when everyone participates.
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Fine, if that's the way its going to be.
Faust, your up first.
Cool. I'm not claiming.
Cool
Vote: faust
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vote: faust
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vote: faust
he's the best lynch anyway...
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Vote Count 3.4:
“If a man isn't willing to take some risk for his opinions, either his opinions are no good or he's no good” ― Ezra Pound
Ghacob (1): chairs
Witherweaver (2): Seprix, faust
Seprix (1): Witherweaver
silverspawn (1): Ghacob
faust (3): QuickSync, XerxesPraelor, silverspawn
Not Voting (1): Axxle
With 9 alive, it takes 5 to lynch.
Day 3 will end at 2:00 p.m. on September 11, 2015.
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And this why it's good Faust went first - massclaims are only good when everyone participates.
Well, I think I made it very clear through the whole process that I wouldn't participate.
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vote: faust
he's the best lynch anyway...
Yes, sure, I'm a better lynch than a confirmed liar.
Just do me a favor and don't lynch me before I get up.
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WW is a confirmed liar - agreed. but 'confirmed liar' could easily be a mime... how is lynching mime/goon better than town/goon?
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Alright faust, now's the time to claim
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Why would we lynch Faust when Seprix is Mafia?
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I seriously doubt Faust is Mafia even if Seprix were somehow Mime. Faust is Town/Mime, and I'm pretty sure it's Town.
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mime.
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~
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Time to take a risk, then.
vote: faust
THIS IS L-1
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Fine, if that's the way its going to be.
Faust, your up first.
Cool. I'm not claiming.
Heh, vote: faust
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... Missed a page.
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Eh, fine with it
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Thread Locked
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Final Day 3 Vote Count
Death is like an old whore in a bar―I'll buy her a drink but I won't go upstairs with her ― Ernest Hemingway, To Have and Have Not
faust (5): QuickSync, XerxesPraelor, silverspawn, Ghacob, Axxle
Witherweaver (2): Seprix, faust
Ghacob (1): chairs
Seprix (1): Witherweaver
With 9 alive, it took 5 to lynch.
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It was very late and everyone had left the cafe except Hemingway who sat in the shadow the leaves of the tree made against the electric light. In the day time the street was dusty, but at night the dew settled the dust and he liked to sit late polishing his shotgun. Two of his friends inside the cafe knew that he was a little drunk, they knew that if he became too drunk he might cause a scene, so they kept watch on him.
"Last night he tried to commit suicide," QuickSync said.
"Why?"
"Sylvia, and probably Joyce."
"Guilt?" XerxesPraelor raised an eyebrow.
"I think so."
They went over to the table where the rest of their friends sat, keeping watch on Hemingway.
"He'll stay all night." Silverspawn looked up from the ponies he was doodling is his writing notebook, "I'm sleepy now. I never get into bed before three o'clock. He should have killed himself last night."
"You think maybe he did Scott?" Ghacob eyed the shotgun significantly.
"Well, we can't sit around all night wondering about it. Guns and alcoholism don't mix, best not to take our chances." Axxle flagged down a passing police officer, who with a little persuasion, hauled Hemingway off to prison.
faust has been lynched. He was Ernest Hemingway, the Vigilante.
Night 3 begins now and ends at Midnight, September 9th forum time. All night actions are due by September 8th, 11 P.M. forum time.
Thread remains locked.
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Everyone please remember to confirm in your QTs over the night. Even if you're a VT.
Any post will count as a confirmation, you don't have to say "confirm."
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As Seprix has apparently left the site...
Things outside of my control have happened, and I will be gone for a long while from the internet. I don't know when I'll be back. If I knew this was coming up before, I would have not say joined Mafia games or the league. I hope I do not ruin everyone's time, but there's literally nothing I can do about it. I apologize. I'll be back one day, probably months and months from now. I just hope I'm back in time for Dominion Adventures to come out!
The Lord Of The Rings Mafia game I made will be cool and start up when I get back.
In Random Stuff, rather than the V/LA thread for some reason...
Anyway, it looks like I need to find a replacement for Seprix. I will extend Night until a replacement is found, and then night will continue for an additional 24 hours or so to allow that person time to catch up. Sorry for the delay.
If anyone knows anyone they think would like to replace in, feel free to PM them, me, or preferably both. I'll PM around on my own.
Thread remains locked.
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As Hydrad's previous slot that he never played (but received the PM for) has flipped as a VT, so he never had any extra information, I'm considering him a viable replacement.
Hydrad replaces Seprix.
Day 4 will begin at Midnight Forum Time tomorrow, 22.5 hours from now. I sent Hydrad his PM around that time, but didn't have time at the moment to post in here.
Actions are finalized at 11 P.M. forum time tomorrow (technically today, 21.5 hours from now.)
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After Hemingway had been hauled off, everyone felt a strange sense of guilt. It was too late to retract their statements to the police, but they all had the strangest sense that he was an innocent man, at least as far as murder was concerned. They decided to share a cab somewhere more lively, the quiet of the cafe allowed for too much introspection. But as the now much smaller group were crowding into a cab, Harold Loeb stayed seated.
"You lot go on ahead. I'd like to stay and enjoy the rest of my espresso. Maybe think a while."
So, a destination was whispered to the driver and they trotted off down the cobblestone streets. The next morning, Loeb's death was reported in the paper, along with Hemingway's arrest. Someone thought to track down the cabbie, who recalled that only six writers had ridden with him last night, after their friends chose to stay behind, but everyone vividly recalled seven of them leaving the dance hall.
QuickSync has been killed. He was Harold Loeb, the Watcher.
Day 4 Begins
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Vote Count 4.0
Spider Kelly taught all his young gentlemen to box like featherweights, no matter whether they weighed one hundred and five or two hundred and five pounds. But it seemed to fit Cohn. He was really very fast. He was so good that Spider promptly overmatched him and got his nose permanently flattened. This increased Cohn's distaste for boxing, but it gave him a certain satisfaction of some strange sort, and it certainly improved his nose. ― Ernest Hemingway, The Sun Also Rises
Not Voting (7): Witherweaver, chairs, Hydrad, XerxesPraelor, silverspawn, Ghacob, Axxle
With 7 alive, it takes 4 to lynch, 4 to no-lynch.
Day 4 ends Friday September 18th at 12:20 A.M forum time.
Thread Unlocked.
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Yes i'm not dead. I was going to be annoyed if I read the game just to be instantly killed...
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also i get the awesome knowledge of knowing teproc and seprix's roles. So thats 2 peoples info i have which means finding scum should be ez.
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I'm worried the secret of Teproc's role may be an unfair advantage, but I'll let it slide this time.
;)
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also my guess is
WW/axxle mimes? i dunno but thats a feeling i got.
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not an unreasonable guess.
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I disagree
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Hydrad, please claim your role and N1/2 actions if you had any
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I'm the VT checking guy. (the names weird and I'm to lazy to check what it is again)
N1 = Quicksync (non VT)
N2 = WW (non vt)
n3 = SUPER SECRET (although i'll probably claim it after not to long. but maybe i can catch someone in a lie or even IC someone! wooo)
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faust, why didn't you claim? ;_;
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to be fair he did say don't lynch him until he wakes up. so maybe he was going to reconsider his claiming and stuff like that.
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yeah... we could also lynch axxle for doing it. he could be mime... or he could be goon gambling on being mime.
or he could have legitimately messed up, but that seems kind of unlikely.
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Well that was bad, but at least the big wasn't doing anything anyway.
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Yeah, was hoping we'd see a mime flip.
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yeah... we could also lynch axxle for doing it. he could be mime... or he could be goon gambling on being mime.
or he could have legitimately messed up, but that seems kind of unlikely.
I think legitimate mistake there is not that likely, especially from a player like Axxle.
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Vote: Hydrad
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Vote: Hydrad
no stop being a mime
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I never was.
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I never was.
ok well stop being scum... or be scum and die. that actually sounds like the best situation.
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I just want to get this out there - I'm pretty annoyed. First we have a Vig that doesn't seem to shoot anyone, now the backup Vig doesn't either? These are literally guaranteed no-scum-influence Town kills. USE THEM.
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I think mimes have bulletproof 1 shots. And may be jail keeping themselves. So we may have hit mimes already
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yeah, and faust probably had valuable information... if only he claimed.
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I think mimes have bulletproof 1 shots. And may be jail keeping themselves. So we may have hit mimes already
Hmm. I suppose it's possible the backup vig did shoot, but was stopped by the jailkeeping mimes. WW would've been the "obvious" target, so.. yeah.
yeah, and faust probably had valuable information... if only he claimed.
Very definitely
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hmm. ok heres a question. am I an IC for anyone? well maybe i shouldn't be asking this but maybe it will spark conversation.
I know WW doesn't think i'm an IC but thats just because hes scum.
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I think mimes have bulletproof 1 shots. And may be jail keeping themselves. So we may have hit mimes already
Hmm. I suppose it's possible the backup vig did shoot, but was stopped by the jailkeeping mimes. WW would've been the "obvious" target, so.. yeah.
yeah, and faust probably had valuable information... if only he claimed.
Very definitely
It's worth noting, though, that a claimed vig has not powers thanks to the mimes' jailkeeping, which I'm sure is part of why faust was reluctant to claim
hmm. ok heres a question. am I an IC for anyone? well maybe i shouldn't be asking this but maybe it will spark conversation.
I know WW doesn't think i'm an IC but thats just because hes scum.
I think you're pretty much confirmed at this point. It's the lack of counterclaim that does it.
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hmm this game is hard to make progress.
Also i'm assuming if one mime gets lynched the other cannot jailkeep himself right? or else we just kinda lose :(
also WW is still a suspect for being mafia. I think odds are higher to being mime but I think if he was mafia he would know playing super scummy as mafia in this game is almost protection in a way?
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hmm this game is hard to make progress.
Also i'm assuming if one mime gets lynched the other cannot jailkeep himself right? or else we just kinda lose :(
yep
also WW is still a suspect for being mafia. I think odds are higher to being mime but I think if he was mafia he would know playing super scummy as mafia in this game is almost protection in a way?
Interesting, but I'd like to think that if that was the case, he surely would have been vigged by now...right?
Let's try...
vote: Axxle
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hmm this game is hard to make progress.
Also i'm assuming if one mime gets lynched the other cannot jailkeep himself right? or else we just kinda lose :(
yep
also WW is still a suspect for being mafia. I think odds are higher to being mime but I think if he was mafia he would know playing super scummy as mafia in this game is almost protection in a way?
Interesting, but I'd like to think that if that was the case, he surely would have been vigged by now...right?
Let's try...
vote: Axxle
How about
Vote: Ghacob
?
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hmm this game is hard to make progress.
Also i'm assuming if one mime gets lynched the other cannot jailkeep himself right? or else we just kinda lose :(
yep
also WW is still a suspect for being mafia. I think odds are higher to being mime but I think if he was mafia he would know playing super scummy as mafia in this game is almost protection in a way?
Interesting, but I'd like to think that if that was the case, he surely would have been vigged by now...right?
Let's try...
vote: Axxle
How about
Vote: Ghacob
?
I started thinking about ways to defend myself, but then I remembered that I was talking to the mime.
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Not if you're scum!
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Not if you're scum!
Shush. It's pretty simple anyway.
That hammer was extremely scummy and I'm not sure I can see a world where Axxle is town. Scummy play all around.
If Axxle is mafia, that's great!
If Axxle is mime, that means we get a guaranteed kill on you! (or at least a 6/7 chance instead of a 1/2)
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Vote: hydrad
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hmm this game is hard to make progress.
Also i'm assuming if one mime gets lynched the other cannot jailkeep himself right? or else we just kinda lose :(
yep
also WW is still a suspect for being mafia. I think odds are higher to being mime but I think if he was mafia he would know playing super scummy as mafia in this game is almost protection in a way?
Interesting, but I'd like to think that if that was the case, he surely would have been vigged by now...right?
Let's try...
vote: Axxle
Wouldn't it make more sense to lynch ww and vig me?
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Vote: hydrad
Sweet.
Vote: Hydrad
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Vote Count 4.1:
“Don't be blinded by the theorists and a lying press.” ― Ezra Pound
Axxle (1): Ghacob
Hydrad (2): XerxesPraelor, Witherweaver
Not Voting (4): chairs, Hydrad, silverspawn, Axxle
With 7 alive, it takes 4 to lynch.
Day 4 will end at 12:20 a.m. on September 18, 2015.
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Why Hydrad? I'm not necessarily opposed, just confused.
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Why Hydrad? I'm not necessarily opposed, just confused.
I'm pretty sure they are scum. I don't know why they would go for me since there is still no counterclaim.
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Ah, I see our third scum has decided to "claim"
...seriously, how else am I supposed to interpret that, XP?
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Yeah - unvote
I'm failing at being town here. I really have no idea. Maybe just randomzing is best for me, given how horrible my reads are.
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I promise I'll reread tomorrow and henceforth have a better understanding of what's going on.
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vote: xp
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Reread, vote: ww.
Explanation tomorrow
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rereads take so long! anyway
chairs is towny
QS is towny
WW slight town
not sure if they are even still in the game
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ah, QS is dead. well then.
I think hydrad or axxle are probably the choices to go for
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Reread, vote: ww.
Explanation tomorrow
I look forward to such an explanation
...
I'm satisfied with where my vote is and don't see too much to convince me otherwise
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Yeah, I could vote: Hydrad. I don't want to vote WW or Axxle as I think they're the mimes.
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Yeah, I could vote: Hydrad. I don't want to vote WW or Axxle as I think they're the mimes.
why WW mimey?
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vote: Hydrad though.
L-1
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Yeah, I could vote: Hydrad. I don't want to vote WW or Axxle as I think they're the mimes.
why WW mimey?
Just a hunch, since faust ended up not being a mime.
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faust had seprix as scummy by the way... not that faust turned out to be town ;_; that's relevant.
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faust had seprix as scummy by the way... not that faust turned out to be town ;_; that's relevant.
Ah, good point.
Has Seprix claimed a thing yet?
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Seprix is Hydrad...
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Seprix is Hydrad...
I knew that!
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Seprix is Hydrad...
I knew that!
I had forgotten!
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Jesus, people, I feel practically like we're playing with 5 scum left alive!
How can any of you even justify voting for the IC?
Would anyone like to counterclaim?
Just...why?
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Jesus, people, I feel practically like we're playing with 5 scum left alive!
How can any of you even justify voting for the IC?
Would anyone like to counterclaim?
Just...why?
unvote. Seprix/Hydrad is the IC? I had a crazy weekend so I've clearly gotten a bit off track here. Explain?
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... huh?
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@Ghacob: I think you're switching up 2 games. This is the game wherein Hydrad replaced Seprix who claimed VT day 1. He's not an IC, and I'm pretty confident into the lynch by now. Don't think I want to lynch anyone else.
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Oh yeah, I completely forgot about Seprix's VT claim.
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I'm actually almost more afraid of Seprix being mime than seprix being town. But I'm pretty sure he's our best shot.
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I remember thinking that what he was doing didn't make sense as Mime. But I don't really remember why.
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So the main reason I have a scum read on ww is that he seems to have just said obvious things for quite a while, instead of taking stances on stuff more subjective and able to reveal his alignment. Secondly, I think scum sees me today as basically a free extra vote, so the fact that others haven't jumped on the bandwagon like for Hydrad or basically anyone is telling to me. I also see my scum play in ww, in basically the style of posting.
I think I should do some wagon analysis next.
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unvote
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Holding your explanation thing made me think there was something more
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wait what! nooo I'm supposed to be IC.
i'm the VT checking guy. (his name is so weird and I always forget it).
Seprix claimed VT Day1 as it looked like he was about to be lynched but I guess he thought he could risk it and not claim VT checker.
Then when QS claims for some reason seprix instantly claims there. which I guess was good. I dunno I probably wouldn't of claimed there but it ended up working so whatever.
Now its currently day 4 in the game. I'd say the VT checker should claim by now anyways. Especially if they can counter claim!
The fact that no one has still counter claimed me should give you the idea that I am the VT checker! I don't understand what you guys are thinking otherwise. Well I know that 3ish of you are scum but for any real townies in there I really thing there is almost no logic in voting me.
Also scumread on silver. I've had a weird feeling for a while.
so currently this is how i'm thinking.
Mimes WW/axxle/xp?
mafia silver?
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mafia silver?
not really, no.
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wait what! nooo I'm supposed to be IC.
i'm the VT checking guy. (his name is so weird and I always forget it).
wait what that was this game? I'm so confused. I wasn't sure and then I read the VT claim in my reread and thought it had to have been the other game
well unvote
I was like really confident in the case on you. lal.
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well then. PoE... I guess? sigh I thought this game was solved.
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Ghacob
XerxesPraelor
Witherweaver
chairs
Hydrad
silverspawn
Axxle / Axxle
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wouldn't be surprised if both mimes and the scum are between {Ghacob, XP, Axxle}. There's like no way axxle is town, but he's probably more likely mime than scum.
WW also didn't know that Hydrad was the IC, which makes me lean town, and I'm leaning town anyway based on the reread
chairs slightly more town based on reread
Ghacob is in this game? lulz.
XP no idea. PoE says scum.
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scum on ghacob or knowing what's going on.
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WW knows i'm the IC.
He claimed VT at one point and I said no hes not a VT.
and then hes been voting for me since pretty much.
So that gives me mime vibes on WW.
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actually hold on - I put the IC at L-1 (http://t12.deviantart.net/pvwUi-8Efqhd_gdtIkFWql4GoMY=/300x200/filters:fixed_height(100,100):origin()/pre13/8501/th/pre/f/2014/126/8/b/i_hate_mondays_by_scourge707-d7hcb7g.png) and Ghacob didn't hammer.
This means Ghacob is not a mime. I mean, sure, hammering the IC might not be the towniest-looking play and therefore a motive to-by-lynched in theory, but not really here. One more lynched town isn't good for mimes, then they only win with two 'correct' lynches. And we would probably believe he just messed up like WW and I. I can buy that Axxle did it to get lynched, but not Ghacob.
... and if he's not a mime, he's probably the last scum. vote: Ghacob
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WW knows i'm the IC.
He claimed VT at one point and I said no hes not a VT.
and then hes been voting for me since pretty much.
So that gives me mime vibes on WW.
ohhhhhh yes I remmeber. -.-
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Why would I want to counterclaim you as Mime, exactly?
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WW knows i'm the IC.
He claimed VT at one point and I said no hes not a VT.
and then hes been voting for me since pretty much.
So that gives me mime vibes on WW.
Was in response to this.
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He is not VT.
I am VT
Vote: Seprix
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Ghacob
XerxesPraelor
Witherweaver / Witherweaver
chairs
Hydrad
silverspawn
Axxle / Axxle
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Why would I want to counterclaim you as Mime, exactly?
i think theres 2 reasons.
1. people might believe you over me and i get lynched. Hurrah for you.
2. people believe me so we try to lynch you. Oops your a mime Hurrah for you.
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wait what am I doing I was arguing for why mimes don't hammer not the other way around
unvote
this is like the least up to date I've ever been in a mafia game.
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this actually makes Ghacob non-mafia for the same reasons stated above. mafia would probably hammer... at least I'm pretty sure I'd go for it, the WIFOM with mimes is too good, and you can always pretend to not know what's going on. mime and town wouldn't hammer.
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So, based on the assumption that mafia would hammer, it means one of two things
1. the last mafia wasn't around
2. the last mafia was already on the wagon
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The wagon was WW, chairs, silver
Hydrad is the IC, Ghacob didn't hammer, Axxle wasn't there.
chairs also didn't know that Hydrad was the IC... I think I buy that though. He reads genuine.
so it's Axxle or WW
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Why would I want to counterclaim you as Mime, exactly?
It doesn't matter if you counterclaim, because you're counterclaiming someone who is confirmed town. we already know you're scum in the broader sense (or should know if we knew what was going on), so... yeah, you must have thought it makes you more likely to get lynched... or less if you're scum. that's purely WIFOM.
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so one guy is confirmed mime/mafia and the other hammered our vig.
I think I'm leaning mafia on WW and mime on Axxle. Mafia is arguably more scared to do something like hammering faust (although it would've been good play), and WW just seems asking to get lynched more than hoping that we think he's mime and not lynching him.
although it's all WIFOM....
still, vote: WW
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open to change my mind though.
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this is like the least up to date I've ever been in a mafia game.
So much this.
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and WW just seems asking to get lynched more than hoping that we think he's mime and not lynching him.
wait I'm making a case for the opposite argument again. I think I need some sleep.
I think WW wants to make us believe he's a mime. That's what I was trying to say there, I think, and then for some reason I said the opposite.
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Ghacob
XerxesPraelor
Witherweaver / Witherweaver
chairs
Hydrad
silverspawn
Axxle / Axxle
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So ww is basically guaranteed scum. Silverspawn, on the other hand, could be town, but is almost definitely not mime. I'm not sure who to vote for.
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silverspawn
what? ;_;
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come on, I'm way too disorganized to be mafia.
but yeah, I'm not a mime.
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Final Day 2 Vote Count
“Death is the only real elegance.” ― Zelda Fitzgerald, Save Me the Waltz
Sudgy (6): QuickSync, Seprix, Ghacob, gkrieg13, Axxle, faust
QuickSync (2): XerxesPraelor, sudgy
Seprix (1): Witherweaver
Axxle (1): silverspawn
Not Voting (1): chairs
With 11 alive, it took 6 to lynch.
Being off-wagon is mafia-y in a chaotic game like this one. From my point of view, that implicates wither weaver and silverspawn. That doesn't help.
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Being off-wagon is mafia-y in a chaotic game like this one. From my point of view, that implicates wither weaver and silverspawn. That doesn't help.
uh, I don't think so. Like, didn't QS have an investigative result on him? Pretty sure the only reason I wasn't on the wagon was that I wasn't around. I think that was shortly after the thing happened that made me pause for a few days.
basically, being on wagon of a confirmed scum doesn't give you town cred.
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come on, I'm way too disorganized to be mafia.
You're basically in control of the game.
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Being off-wagon is mafia-y in a chaotic game like this one. From my point of view, that implicates wither weaver and silverspawn. That doesn't help.
basically, being on wagon of a confirmed scum doesn't give you town cred.
It does in a game where people have historically been voting randomly.
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Final Day 1 Vote Count
Awaclus (7): Witherweaver, sudgy, Seprix, QuickSync, Axxle, gkrieg13, XerxesPraelor
Seprix (3): Teproc, chairs, faust
Axxle (2): silverspawn, Awaclus
Witherweaver (1): Ghacob
With 13 alive, it took 7 to lynch.
Here it's less of a big deal than later on, but you have to give some town points for being off wagon. I'd say Axxle is in the scummiest position here, or possibly someone off-wagon.
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Ghacob comes out of this looking mimey.
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vote: axxle.
I don't think axxle's a mime. I think ww/ghacob/axxle are the 3 scum remaining, and of the 3 I think axxle is most likely to be mafia.
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Vote Count 4.2:
“The trouble with emergencies is," she said, "that I always put on my finest underwear and then nothing happens.” ― Zelda Fitzgerald, Save Me the Waltz
Axxle (2): Ghacob, chairs
Hydrad (1): Witherweaver
Witherweaver (2): XerxesPraelor, silverspawn
Not Voting (2): Hydrad, Axxle
With 7 alive, it takes 4 to lynch.
Day 4 will end at 12:20 a.m. on September 18, 2015.
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Vote Count 4.3:
“If you can't say anything nice about anyone else, come sit next to me.” ― Gertrude Stein
Axxle (2): Ghacob, chairs
Hydrad (1): Witherweaver
Witherweaver (2): XerxesPraelor, silverspawn
Not Voting (2): Hydrad, Axxle
With 7 alive, it takes 4 to lynch.
Day 4 will end at 12:20 a.m. on September 18, 2015. That's in ~21 hours.
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huh thats a day away.
hmm i guess a WW lynch is ok... i'd say i'm about 1/3 thinking hes scum and 2/3 hes mime. But even still lynching 1 mime isn't horrible.
Uh also should i claim my target last night? I feel like i have a highish chance of dying tonight unless mafia is getting worried about mimes winning the game.
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WW is good.
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His absence could mean he's really a mime, but then again... if he defends himself, we're just going to assume he's teh mafia and lynch.
I think both mafia and mime want to stay absent here.
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Vote: ww
it hurts when i feel like I'm making the wrong choice... Mimes are hard to work around.
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Well
Vote: Witherweaver
I guess.
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99% sure Chairs is vig. Ghacob for last scum, but XP is an off chance as well.
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so are you a mime?
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d***
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also should i claim? it was a non vt target. i'm just worried of outing our vig...
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99% sure Chairs is vig. Ghacob for last scum, but XP is an off chance as well.
a bunch of WIFOM, since he implies that axxle is his mime partner.
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also should i claim? it was a non vt target. i'm just worried of outing our vig...
ah, good question.
I think so. we only have one more night anyway, right?
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axxle is not a vt.
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well if i'm dead tomorrow gl guys!
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axxle is not a vt.
ah, meh. that's not a surprise.
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I hope you won't die, but you probably will. your result will be really useful.
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axxle is not a vt.
well, yes
Not terrible that we lynched the mime, as our vig can hopefully just kill Axxle and be done with it
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axxle is not a vt.
well, yes
Not terrible that we lynched the mime, as our vig can hopefully just kill Axxle and be done with it
yeah, actually, killing the mime makes it so he can't jailkeep himself, can it?
he can jailkeep the vig though. I think this is the reason why WW pointed at chairs for the vig.
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Dammit Bobby, I knew WW was mime.
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Dammit Bobby, I knew WW was mime.
but he was trying so hard to be mimey...
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Thread Locked
Final Vote Count:
Axxle (2): Ghacob, chairs
Witherweaver (4): XerxesPraelor, silverspawn, Hydrad, Witherweaver
Not Voting (1): Axxle
With 7 alive, it took 4 to lynch.
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(UmbrageOfSnow can add flavor later if he wants.) Just straight-up ripping off Hemingway's bitter comments on Dos Passon in A Moveable Feast
The scum always have a sort of pilot fish who goes ahead of them, sometimes he is a little deaf, sometimes a little blind, but always smelling affably and hesitant ahead of them. The pilot fish talks like this: "Eh, I'd rather not lynch him today. I remember thinking what he was doing didn't make sense as Mime. But I don't really remember why. Hem seems town. Could be Mime I guess. ~"
Then you have the lynch and nothing is ever as it was again. The pilot fish leaves of course. He is always going somewhere, or coming from somewhere, and he is never around for very long. He enters and leaves the game in the same way he enters and leaves wagons and people's reads in his early days. He is never caught and he is not caught by the scum. Nothing ever catches him and it is only those who trust him who are caught and lose. He has the irreplaceable early training of the bastard and a latent and long denied love of winning.
These scum loved and trusted him because he was distracting, comic, elusive, and because he was an unerring pilot fish they could tell that through all the then true sincerity of his votes it was a passing sham and that he was one of them although town did not know it then. The pilot fish was our friend of course.
Witherweaver has been lynched. He was the John Dos Passos, the mime-aligned mime.
I don't know if UmbrageOfSnow will be around (he was supposed to have been here for the flip tonight). For now I will say night 4 ends at 12:30am on September 20. He can change the deadline if he wants.
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Sorry! I really did mean to be around. Ugh, this is killing me.
Good news is that I should be back to normal by Monday! Scott's Daystart time stands.
I'll edit in flavor in a bit.
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Sub-par flavor edited in. Thread remains locked, obviously.
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On the fifth morning, there was another funeral. The funerals were tedious because they were so numerous, but as Gertrude Stein was a great woman, everyone still attended. She must have expected her death, though, as her friend Alice had a eulogy written by Ms. Stein herself already memorized.
All of you have all gathered here today, on this day, to celebrate a death and a death, a life and a life. I do not know who else has died, but I know that you know who else it is who has died, and surely they know that they have died. Or know nothing as they do not know that they have died as they have died.
Friends, we have found a murderer among our friends, but there is still a murderer among our friends. We have found a vigilante among our friends, but there is a vigilante among our friends. Most dastardly of all we have found a mime among our friends, and there is a mime among our friends. My friends, we must look at our friends and determine who are truly our true friends and who truly are not our true friends.
The murders are getting repetitious so let us put an end to this repetition and bring the repetition of these funerals to an end, as my life has ended here at the end. With my ending, all the great writers have ended, all the great writing has ended. It may be the end of literature, but do not let it be the end of you. When all this at an end and you can trust your true friends not to end you, nor to mime invisible boxes at you, perhaps you could work together and produce something decent. If not, there are plenty of unpublished manuscripts freed up these last few days and we dead do not need them. Write the endings friends.
Hydrad has been killed. He was Gertrude Stein, the Neapolitan.
Day 5 Begins
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Vote Count 5.0
I think the reason I am important is that I know everything. ― Gertrude Stein
Not Voting (5): Axxle, Ghacob, chairs, XerxesPraelor, silverspawn
With 5 alive, it takes 3 to lynch, 3 to no-lynch.
Day 5 ends Monday September 28 at 12:30 AM forum time.
Thread Unlocked.
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;_;
this probably means Axxle was mime and roleblocked the vig. Assuming this is true, we got 1 chance for a correct lynch today between {Ghacob, chairs, XP}. If we pick right, we win. If we pick a VT or the vig, then.... we'll end up at 3p with a mime, a goon, and a VT.
VT wins by lynching Goon
Goon wins by lynching VT or no-lynch
Mime wins by lynching Mime
In which case Mime could decide whether he lets scum win or VT... or I guess maybe he would try to make a deal or something
anyway, point is, it's sort of MyLo. Not really, but kind of.
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or I guess Axxle could be the mafia, too...
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I think vig should probably claim
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P sure Faust was the vig
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How much of what ww said is wifom?
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P sure Faust was the vig
there was a backup. we have a new vig now.
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This is the slowest game. Luckily I'll get access to a computer for the first time in forever, so I should be able to contribute tomorrow.
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;_;
this probably means Axxle was mime and roleblocked the vig. Assuming this is true, we got 1 chance for a correct lynch today between {Ghacob, chairs, XP}. If we pick right, we win. If we pick a VT or the vig, then.... we'll end up at 3p with a mime, a goon, and a VT.
VT wins by lynching Goon
Goon wins by lynching VT or no-lynch
Mime wins by lynching Mime
In which case Mime could decide whether he lets scum win or VT... or I guess maybe he would try to make a deal or something
anyway, point is, it's sort of MyLo. Not really, but kind of.
I was sorta nodding along with this, but then one of the things you said stuck out to me as wrong, which changes everything (.?)
This is frickin' insanity, yos: A mafia lynch leads to a mime win. The mime already knows who our vig is and will continue roleblocking them, forcing lynches daily + no NK/forcing a nolynch for the win
...Is that even right? It feels wrong but I don't see a fault in the logic...
..things are lookin' grim
PPE: shush, ya mime :D
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I am the vig
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I think if we lynch mafia the game ends?
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I am the vig
okay, as expected. You can claim your targets, but you probably got RB'd by Axxle (?)
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This is the slowest game. Luckily I'll get access to a computer for the first time in forever, so I should be able to contribute tomorrow.
we already know 100% that you're either mime or scum (unless you want to claim vig), so why would we want you to contribute? you're conf!scum
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So we can't lynch scum, or the mimes wins. We can't lynch the mime or the mimes win. Scum can't kill the mime or the town wins. Iiinteresting.
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This is the slowest game. Luckily I'll get access to a computer for the first time in forever, so I should be able to contribute tomorrow.
we already know 100% that you're either mime or scum (unless you want to claim vig), so why would we want you to contribute? you're conf!scum
You guys do keep saying that, yeah.
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This is the slowest game. Luckily I'll get access to a computer for the first time in forever, so I should be able to contribute tomorrow.
we already know 100% that you're either mime or scum (unless you want to claim vig), so why would we want you to contribute? you're conf!scum
You guys do keep saying that, yeah.
hydrad is conf!town and he has a non-vt result on you. the only way you aren't mime or scum is if you counterclaim vig.
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oh :(
we can't win, actually. I thought town wins the game when goon is dead, but we don't. scum lynch -> mime wins. mime lynch -> mime wins. no-lynch -> mime wins
isn't the game just over then?
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well I guess we can win if mafia nightkills the mime
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So - actually, we have to no-lynch.
If mafia kills the mime, then the game is open again; mafia and town can still win. Since mime can RB chairs every night, that is our only chance
lynching now can only harm us. Lynching mafia is immediate mime win. Lynching mime is immediate mime win. Lynching town is obviously bad for us
vote: no-lynch
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and mafia can likewise only win by killing mime.
Of course, if axxle (?) still has his BP, things won't work out. but it doesn't matter, since it's the only thing we can do.
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vote: no-lynch
Yeah, this is the only possibility. (for now - tomorrow if scum reveals themselves and tries to blackmail us into letting them win, I'll just vote axxle, and I encourage any other town members to do the same thing)
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vote: no-lynch
Yeah, this is the only possibility. (for now - tomorrow if scum reveals themselves and tries to blackmail us into letting them win, I'll just vote axxle, and I encourage any other town members to do the same thing)
blackmail how? you mean if scum doesn't manage to kill the mime?
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vote: no-lynch
Yeah, this is the only possibility. (for now - tomorrow if scum reveals themselves and tries to blackmail us into letting them win, I'll just vote axxle, and I encourage any other town members to do the same thing)
blackmail how? you mean if scum doesn't manage to kill the mime?
If scum just kills a town member and leaves us in the same spot as today, where we have to hope scum kills the mime in the next night and so let scum get a free kill in.
I'm going to throw the game to the mimes if Axxle isn't dead tomorrow.
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Vote Count 5.1
Instead of the vast organization to exploit the weakness of the Many, should we not possess one for the exploitation of the intelligence of the Few? ― Wyndham Lewis, The Art Of Being Ruled
No Lynch (2): silverspawn, XerxesPraelor
Not Voting (3): Axxle, Ghacob, chairs
With 5 alive, it takes 3 to lynch, 3 to no-lynch.
Day 5 ends Monday September 28 at 12:30 AM forum time.
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vote: no-lynch
Yeah, this is the only possibility. (for now - tomorrow if scum reveals themselves and tries to blackmail us into letting them win, I'll just vote axxle, and I encourage any other town members to do the same thing)
blackmail how? you mean if scum doesn't manage to kill the mime?
If scum just kills a town member and leaves us in the same spot as today, where we have to hope scum kills the mime in the next night and so let scum get a free kill in.
I'm going to throw the game to the mimes if Axxle isn't dead tomorrow.
yeah, I agree. If mime isn't dead tomorrow, we let mime win.
still not 100% sure if axxle is the mime. he could also be the mafia.
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forgot he announced that.
I'm the backup vig, I tried shooting chairs but nothing happened. I was planning on shooting him again tonight since I maneuvered myself to an unlynchable position. If both me and scum shoot him tonight he'll likely die, unless he's scum in which case we might have lost?
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I'm the backup vig
riiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiight
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I like how you only claimed that after I explained you that it's the only possible non-scum scenario.
can we no-lynch now? mr backup vig, you may hammer.
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Vote: no lynch
I mean yeah, it'd have been more pro town to stay silent about it if I could and just shoot chairs until he died. I shot WW night 3 if it matters
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Vote: no lynch
I mean yeah, it'd have been more pro town to stay silent about it if I could and just shoot chairs until he died. I shot WW night 3 if it matters
I give like 2% to the chance that you are really the backup vig. and if you are, then wtf game
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Well, the mime aspect of this really changes how town prs need to act, as you saw with your lylo example.
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you hammered our vig
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Thread locked.
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Final Day 5 Vote Count
I really do not know that anything has ever been more exciting than diagramming sentences.
― Gertrude Stein, Lectures in America
No Lynch (3): silverspawn, XerxesPraelor, Axxle
Not Voting (2): Ghacob, chairs
With 5 alive it took 3 to no-lynch.
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For sale: hangman's rope, never used.
No one has been lynched.
Night 5 begins now and ends Tuesday, September 22nd at 10:30 P.M. forum time. All night actions are due by September 22nd at 9:30 P.M.
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Please remember to post something in your QTs.
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Daystart incoming, sorry for the delay.
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With just the five writers left, the others noticed something. Ford Madox Ford hadn't said anything all week. They had thought he was saying things, but when they really stopped to think, he'd just been gesturing wildly with his hands which they'd all been able to interpret somehow. In the roar of the constant yelling and drinking matches between writers it had been easy to blend in, but with just a few left, in a moment of silence, they each met his eyes. Ezra made a fist and extended his thumb and index fingers. Taking careful aim, he pointed at Ford's head, brought the thumb down hard, and pulled his hand back as if from recoil.
Ford gave a silent scream and toppled out of his chair dramatically, white face paint staining the cafe side walk.
Joyce had been right about the Mimes.
Axxle has been killed. He was Ford Madox Ford, a Mime.
Day 6 Begins
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Vote Count 6.0
Yes, a war is inevitable. Firstly, there's you fellows who can't be trusted. And then there's the multitude who mean to have bathrooms and white enamel. Millions of them; all over the world. Not merely here. And there aren't enough bathrooms and white enamel in the world to go round. ― Ford Madox Ford, Parade's End
Not Voting (4): Ghacob, chairs, silverspawn, XerxesPraelor
With 4 alive, it takes 3 to lynch, 2 to no-lynch.
Day 6 ends Wednesday September 30 at 11:00 PM forum time.
Thread Unlocked.
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Aand... now we have to figure out which of you three is Mafia.
Important: WE MUST LYNCH TODAY.
If we lynch wrong today, we go into Night with 3 alive. This means that I will have to pick the last Mafia between two people. The Mafia member has to kill me tonight or we end up in a both-lose situation where we can shoot each other simultaneously, so I will absolutely shoot tonight, which means a no-lynch is end-game for us.
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As to why me shooting is better than no-lynch and lylo tomorrow - I will absolutely be the one to die tonight, and I'm IC, so no-lynch gives you no extra information tomorrow.
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YES!!! Good job, mafia. Well played.
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Now, as a reward, we will lynch you.
So chairs is the IC. It's either Ghacob or XP.
I'll do a giant reread and make my decision.
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Aand... now we have to figure out which of you three is Mafia.
Important: WE MUST LYNCH TODAY.
If we lynch wrong today, we go into Night with 3 alive. This means that I will have to pick the last Mafia between two people. The Mafia member has to kill me tonight or we end up in a both-lose situation where we can shoot each other simultaneously, so I will absolutely shoot tonight, which means a no-lynch is end-game for us.
oh, that's right, we have two lynches, not one *_*
well, then it's really easy. All you have to do is realize that I am, in fact, town, and we already can't lose the game.
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But I will do the reread anyway, just for the off chance that you're insane enough to think so anyway.
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just out of curiosity, if we no-lynched today, would mime win the game even though they're dead?
doesn't matter, since there is literally no reason to no-lynch -- just curious.
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if we no-lynched today, would mime win the game even though they're dead?
No, the Mime wincon requires at least one of them to still be alive when the No Lynch occurs.
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Bueller?
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XP and Ghacob have been prodded.
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XP and Ghacob have been prodded.
Except the mod was rushing and can't do AM and PM. So it's not an official Prod until tonight. They've both been poked though.
11 PM is an hour before 12PM, right? ;)
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Well I wrote up a big long post yesterday on how ss had correct analysis, save the part where I'm subbed in for him, and then I put all the final vote counts together, highlighting the people still alive, but it apparently died somewhere
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Hi - I've been prodded - I'll be reading.
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Hopefully I can be both persuasive and right. We have pretty good chance of winning this, about 2/3. So either I have to go back and prove that I am town (which would be enough to win), or I have to figure out who's scum and persuade chairs of it. (and the other townie)
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So I haven't paid much attention to ghacob yet this game, though I remember thinking him townie early on. I think I should reread him first.
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Silverspawn has been prodded.
At this point in the game, I'm modkilling anyone who gets a 3rd prod, or takes more than 24 hours to respond to a prod. Don't let the game end via modkill guys.
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oh right this was a thing. i wanted to do the reread.
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I'll do it either tomorrow or the day after that, probably tomorrow.
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So one thing is ghacob thinking me a mime early on - that is small evidence for him being Mafia as Mafia will know that other scum has to be Mime.
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chairs has been prodded.
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Sooo... I feel like this is a Mexican standoff, because if I vote then it's basically sealing the lynch, probably.
I've been mum intentionally trying to let you guys argue it out so I'd have a better shot at vig if we get this wrong, but I guess I'd better get the ball rolling.
silverspawn: So far, you're basically my top candidate - who do you think is a better alternative and what makes you think they're scummy?
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Sooo... I feel like this is a Mexican standoff, because if I vote then it's basically sealing the lynch, probably.
I've been mum intentionally trying to let you guys argue it out so I'd have a better shot at vig if we get this wrong, but I guess I'd better get the ball rolling.
silverspawn: So far, you're basically my top candidate - who do you think is a better alternative and what makes you think they're scummy?
right now I have no idea which of Ghacob and XP is the scum, but like I said, I'll do the reread... later today I think.
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Me being your top candidate is bad though, what is it about me this game that doesn't make you see my alignment?
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Alright, I shall now begin. Dead mafia is Seprix. Last mafia is either XP or chairs. (Just to make sure I don't do the whole thing under false assumptions like last time).
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I'm a vanilla townie, sadly. This is like the only game I'm disappointed to be town in, but I was looking forward to possibly being a mime.
I think I'll hold off on voting for now. So far silverspawn strikes me as Mime, and witherweaver as town.
There is this. Since we now know that XP is either VT or mafia, it makes it more likely that he accidentally claimed VT and then just tried to disguise it to not harm town.
@XP: is this what happened?
I'll give 32 town points.
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I am a mime and I want to get lynched.
::)
2 scum points
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I take back the silverspawn mime read, and replace it with null. Ghacob is obv!town, awalcus is a mime.
I want to hear more from all the (upon extrapolation) lurkers.
PPE: gutread
also more active than normal on XP...
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And if you think I'm a mime because of my over-activity, look at my other games. Day1 just needs to have something to kick it off to a start, and this sort of thing is the easiest (though something would work better if I could find it, because over the long-run this turns into WIFOM).
mh.
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(http://cdn.bulbagarden.net/upload/thumb/e/ec/122Mr._Mime.png/250px-122Mr._Mime.png)
interesting...
... hold on, sudgy was the goon, not seprix
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I somehow read neapolitan as scum
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I'm a vanilla townie, sadly. This is like the only game I'm disappointed to be town in, but I was looking forward to possibly being a mime.
I think I'll hold off on voting for now. So far silverspawn strikes me as Mime, and witherweaver as town.
Vote: XP as a Mime. I know he "explained" himself, but I still think he's a Mime.
Also, Vote: silverspawn for reasons so obvious I don't even need to be bothered mentioning them.
sudgy thinks his partner is a mime? 12 scum points
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vote: Seprix.
3 scum points
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faust is the scum. vote: faust
The only thing that could spoil a day was people. People were always the limiters of happiness except for the very few that were as good as spring itself.
i love this quote
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Xp is really... present. like, weirdly disorganized-ish present. if it was me, it would be a town tell, but for him ... ?
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wait, it's XP and ghacob, not xp and chairs. urgh.
let me go back...
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Ghacob is obv!town
this is relevant. if XP is town, then he must have been wrong there. if he's scum, then it's not unusual to try to detect and post genuine town vibes.
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Then Ghacob tells lurkers to stop lurking a few hours into the day.
39 town points
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XP is town.
Good to know. 17 town points.
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I feel a little bit bad for pushing faust so much now, but that's not really helpful.
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XP seems towny (and we've been connected in every game I've played so he must be town)
interesting. 9 town points.
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XP: Town/Mime
Ghacob: Null
4 town points
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XP: scum
3 scum points
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QuickSync is town.
Let's lynch Awaclus!
Awaclus is Mime.
Let's lynch WW!
vote: WW
@QS: I'd hate to be rude, but mind if I offer a bit of advice? Try, like, stepping back a little bit. And I don't mean to make a post about stepping back but to actually step back. Show a bit more... humbleness? Here you come to a new forum for mafia for you, and you step right out acting like you own the place. Your... largeness? is almost threatening? and a bit off putting and my computer is turning off so i don't have a chance to finish aaaaa
mh. I think scum is less likely to say this, and more likely to keep quiet and see if it maybe turns into an argument (which it didn't). also mild town for the 'let's lynch WW' thing.
74 town points
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Both faust and silverspawn feel a bit weird here to me. I guess it could be a staged fight by scum.
You think their interaction was weird? Cuz I actually feel it came off as a really genuine Town vs. Town interaction.
Yes. Usually they both are making a lot of sense, now they aren't.
These are my thoughts as well.
((Wait a minute. Why am I agreeing with the mime?))
1 town point... no wait, 2 town points.
I also find this really funny for some reaosn
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vote: Seprix
seprix was far in a way the scummiest person there... doesn't make XP town though.
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XP: Town/Null
same as before, so 1 town point because this reads list has slightly more credibility
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So here are my thoughts on rereading the first 4 pages(50 per page) of the thread. XP comes off horribly scummy for his VT/not VT/whatever claim. He says that it is boring to not be scum/mime in this setup, regardless of the PR. I disagree with that, but whatever. In college mafia, he wasn't very scummy, because I think he paid more attention that game to his posting than he did here. This claim here is kinda similar to the claim he had on the first day of mist born mafia, for which he was lynched D1, because of claiming third party because he didn't read the win condition carefully. So it's hard for me to call on this one, because in the two games I've played, he got lynched when he was town because he acted scummy, or not lynched because he was scum and was paying more attention. I don't think anyone is scummy at all for being on his wagon.
these are weird conclusions. what he is saying there should make XP towny.
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I do think we should be wary of lynching mimes even today. If we lynch one mime, I think it makes the odds of mimes winning go up by quite a bit. We shouldn't just not lynch anybody that's scummy, of course, but I don't think we should lynch someone like faust because he's so scummy he might be a mime. I will vote faust if that's the only lynch that would happen though.
isn't this the exact opposite of what sudgy said earlier? not really relevant for his partner, though.
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Teproc/Faust/Chairs/gkrieg/ghacob are towny
ww/egorK are null
silverspawn/Quiksync/Seprix are scummy
Awaclus/sudgy are mimey
For now, this'll have to do.
Listing his partner... as a mime. Mh. I think scum might be too afraid to do this. 19 town points.
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There enough time to start a new wagon. Look: Vote: Xerxes
oh, uh. 56 scum points.
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There are 4 scum. What's bad about being willing to lynch lots of people? And it's not that many I think - Axxle, Xerxes, WW. These are my favorites.
wow, look at this. scum, ?, scum. Granted, the scum are mime's, but mime's are more likely to play scummy than town.
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QuickSync's behavior is making me really want to leave the wagon. Is there really enough time though?
I'm not trying to set up mislynches, but I think if Seprix flips town I'm going to be looking at QuickSync. Faust, wither weaver, awaclus, are all horrible lynches though.
You're like the definition of too scummy to be scum. Its why your such a strong town read for me. :)
strong town read? have another 9 town points.
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33 town points for Ghacob openly advocating a no-lynch
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no... not feeling Ghacob. Sorry.
yeah... still not really feeling him
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vote: awaclus
If he's not mime as I thought, mafia is the next most likely option.
this is complicated... on the one hand, mafia has lots of reason to hammer town here. on the other hand, this is a totally legit reasoning, and the deadline was coming close.
still, 20 scum points
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Awaclus (7): Witherweaver, sudgy, Seprix, QuickSync, Axxle, gkrieg13, XerxesPraelor
Seprix (3): Teproc, chairs, faust
Axxle (2): silverspawn, Awaclus
Witherweaver (1): Ghacob
Being off wagon is good. 27 town points for Ghacob. I also like the isolated position on some random guy.
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Ghacob is my strongest town read now... also has the best wagon position.
I forgot that I said that
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Interesting that we had only one flip. That offers a couple possibilities.
Mimes don't kill.
so... I assume this is XP forgetting that town has a vigilante. This is possible for both mafia and town though.
Without being able to explain why, I feel like it is mildly more likely for mafia. 3 scum points.
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really confused as to why faust didn't shoot though... ?
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Like, he had all the mimes on his reads list. He has arguably the most reliable reads, too.
Although, maybe he did shoot. Axxle lost his BP at some point, after all.
He might have even shot Axxle twice, since there is also the JK thing.
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(any alignment lynch is good for mimes)
Not sure if that's true, lynching mafia isn't so great for mime.
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Vote: sudgy
He's scum, lets lynch him.
nice catch.
Actually I am the watcher in this game and I watched Teproc. Sudgy visited Teproc last night and now he's dead. I'll likely die tonight but I did my job catching scum. The game is half over. I'm doing a sacrificial throw so that one of the scum die.
oh, it's because of this. that makes it less impressive.
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I am an idiot.
This whole time I've been working under the assumption that it was two consecutive nolynches, which told me the optimal strategy was to nolynch every other day or so, based on information.
71 town points.
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Started writing a post a few times, didn't get far any time, the big thing I wanted to say was that massclaiming is pro-scum, both mime and mafia
In a slightly different direction, silverspawn hasn't posted at all today; is this the master mimestrat?
Worth a vote:ss
mh. my gut wants to give town points for this, my brain scum points. going after lurkers is an easy thing for scum to do, but this feels genuine.
Alas, 2 scum points
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The
third fourth attempt to reply to your reread:
typing is hard
I see little reason not to trust you and go with XP, as you appear to be leading, right? Because even if you're a lying scum, XP's flip would confirm it, sealing the win, yeah?
I shouldn't stop your rereading prematurely though, just tryin' to say some words that seem to follow where you're leading
..It actually makes sense as both town and mafia for you to fixate on one of us, as, as long as one of us get lynched, your winning odds go up from/to 50%..I think i mathed that right
PPE: a bunch
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I see little reason not to trust you and go with XP, as you appear to be leading, right? Because even if you're a lying scum, XP's flip would confirm it, sealing the win, yeah?
yes. mafia needs both townies mislynched to win; for any town player alive not getting mislynched is enough to win
..It actually makes sense as both town and mafia for you to fixate on one of us, as, as long as one of us get lynched, your winning odds go up from/to 50%..I think i mathed that right
Let's see, I'd need you both lynched in order to win, so I guess it'd make sense to lean scum on both? if I give one too much town cred, that could make it less likely for chairs to vig him over me.
but I'd probably just try to be genuine as scum and not worry about results
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I think I want to lynch among chairs/Ghacob/Xerxes.
oh, now Ghacob is on it too? 61 scum points
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This pretty much proves to me that the single mafia player left didn't really think their decision through. Which narrows down the lynch pool significantly, I think.
ah, this is interesting. So this was the reason why Ghacob was in the lynchpool.
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So, scratch the 61 scum points to start with. This is more complicated.
Well, I believe that killing the Watcher is the single best strategy for scum here.
I guess there is a nonzero chance that the Mimes jailkept the mafia and the vig shot gkrieg?
which is now zero because faust was the vig
we know that QS was the watcher, because he flipped... so why does mafia not kill him? Watcher is really powerful. Let's go into the perspective of the last mafia player.
Pro killing watcher:
- Remove strongest town PR
- Doesn't reduce the lynch pool
Con killing watcher:
- ??
Does mime have a reason to protect the watcher? I don't think so. Watcher causes town to lynch mafia. This is inherently a bad thing for for mime's, because a) if town is lynching mafia, they aren't lynching mime, and b) if mafia is gone, town has more time to deal with mimes. I don't think it is likely for the last mafia to have thought this, either.
No, it does seem like it is a mistake. That's really bad for Ghacob... like, really bad. this is pretty solid evidence, and as such weights more heavily than anything before... 324 scum points. XP has a lot more mafia experience and is less likely to do this mistake.
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Time to take a risk, then.
vote: faust
THIS IS L-1
102 scum points
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Now watcher dies... well, that's null.
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It's worth noting, though, that a claimed vig has not powers thanks to the mimes' jailkeeping, which I'm sure is part of why faust was reluctant to claim
This is true. Is it relevant though?
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Ghacob
XerxesPraelor
Witherweaver
chairs
Hydrad
silverspawn
Axxle / Axxle
Ah, it looks like for once my reads weren't completely awful
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Oh, and then there was the thing were I put the IC to L-1 and no-one hammers. Let's go back to that.
Jesus, people, I feel practically like we're playing with 5 scum left alive!
How can any of you even justify voting for the IC?
Would anyone like to counterclaim?
Just...why?
This post was in between my L-1 and my unvote.
This was were I got incredibly confused about whethr or not that makes Ghacob non-mime or non-mafia. Let's just forget what I said and think again.
Pro hammering:
IC and cop dies
mafia doesn't get lynched that day
Con hammering:
looks scummy
Con-Con hammering:
could try to imitate mime
Con-Con-Con hammering
WW and Axxle were both alrady confirmed scum. Also this:
I don't want to vote WW or Axxle as I think they're the mimes.
All in all, I can see mafia!Ghacob not hammering there. Still, 87 town points.
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vote: axxle.
I don't think axxle's a mime. I think ww/ghacob/axxle are the 3 scum remaining, and of the 3 I think axxle is most likely to be mafia.
37 scum points
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99% sure Chairs is vig. Ghacob for last scum, but XP is an off chance as well.
WW is talking to his mime partner, Axxle, here. Does he have motivations to tell Axxle who is the mafia? Does he have motivation to tell town?
From what I understand, it's not really relevant for him either way, which makes me think it's probably genuine. What is important is for the town vig not to ehoot the mime, which is exactly what happened.
But WW probably didn't think it through. let's just skip this one.
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I remember XP having made strange decisions as a PR before - but not based on misunderstanding the setup. It was more a read thing.
silverspawn: So far, you're basically my top candidate - who do you think is a better alternative and what makes you think they're scummy?
Well, like I said earlier, I think mafia not killing the vig is the most solid piece of information that exists in this game. I think I'm incredibly unlikely to mess up there, I'm thorough as scum. And I know how strong a watcher is. Pretty sure I've said that it's one of the best PR's somewhere before (no idea where though).
This points towards Ghacob.
I did town read him pretty heavily, but I'll take evidence such as this over a read any day.
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I think I want to lynch among chairs/Ghacob/Xerxes.
This pretty much proves to me that the single mafia player left didn't really think their decision through. Which narrows down the lynch pool significantly, I think.
I don't know whether to be insulted - I'm pretty sure I'd know to kill the watcher since there's no doctor.
And lastly, this is more likely to come from not!having!messed!up!and!thus!town!XP.
Adding points (which I'm not taking very seriously, I mostly did it for fun), I arrive at -2 for XP and -304 for Ghaocb. Ghacob was looking much better than XP before the watcher thing, but that's accurate, since what I just said.
vote: Ghacob
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@chrairs: No-one is getting lynched without your help - this basically means that you have free power to choose any two of us three to be lynched.
If you choose me as one of those two, then I think it makes most sense to lynch me first and then shoot one of {Ghacob, XP} (unless you think confirming one of them is important). If you don't, then we can just lynch Ghacob now and, in case I was wrong, shoot XP.
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Phone posting, emergency happened will not be on until Monday probably.
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Oh, I hope everything is okay.
Doesn't hurt the game. Deadline is Wednesday.
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I will do an at least medium-size reread, and post it tomorrow.
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Back in a place where I'll be able to post. Emergency wasn't... bad, per se. I'll probably talk about it later in "so this is where people talk at night".
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I will do an at least medium-size reread, and post it tomorrow.
I will do the same for tomorrow/tonight
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Vote: XP as a Mime. I know he "explained" himself, but I still think he's a Mime.
The evil plan to get me night-killed.
Scum communicating?
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So of our "mimes" I currently find Awaclus the mimiest
I got two of these down I think, maybe someone can help with the third
What's the scum motive for claiming mime? WIFOM
What's the mime motive for claiming mime? WIFOM
What's the town motive for claiming mime?
This makes sense and is therefore towny (heuristic learned from that game I was a scum!IC - it's really difficult to make sense while knowingly coming to the wrong conclusion).
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sweet! a VT claim.
My highly developed analytical skills with mimes tell me that this is either a mime trying to get lynched or a townie trying to pretend like he is a mime trying to get lynched.
sweet! a VT claim.
My highly developed analytical skills with mimes tell me that this is either a mime trying to get lynched or a townie trying to pretend like he is a mime trying to get lynched.
Sadly, neither of those is true. I wasn't trying to VT claim at all, so I didn't think about this.
PPE: vote: chairs Scummiest person so far.
so you claim to be town? and you accidently confused 'vanilla townie' with 'town' ?
This is a pretty quick change of tone, so could be two possible faked reactions (hard to remember what you committed to sometimes), but other than that I don't get any vibes from early silverspawn that I've seen yet.
1 scum point
(also, 3 town points to ghacob for the previous thing)
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♫Lurkers stop lurking, lurkers stop lurking, lurkers stop lurkinggg♪
Lurkers: Aww mannnn...
And I wasn't buddying, just giving reads.
vote: XP for not getting the joke
This is not content. 1 scum point.
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And if you think I'm a mime because of my over-activity, look at my other games. Day1 just needs to have something to kick it off to a start, and this sort of thing is the easiest (though something would work better if I could find it, because over the long-run this turns into WIFOM).
It's not the over-activity, it's the content. I feel like you're the most mime-iest person here. I'm just trying to say, "Hey, let's not lynch XP! Look elsewhere!"
...but now we're just talking about you. We need to look elsewhere.
This looks like it'll be relatively easy for town. We have 13 people, and only 2 of them are mafia. Really, we just need two correct lynches to win.
I don't think it's that easy. While yes, we do only need two correct lynches, we also can't make two certain incorrect lynches. I think this will be harder than it seems.
The problem is, I don't really have any scum reads yet...
Strong interaction early on between sudgy and me - I don't know if scum tends to do that.
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I'm not sure why you are including yourself into your rereads. did you forget your pm and want to see if you can read your own alignment before you go back and check?
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Don't be too sad about being found out so quickly though, it happens.
You could speed up the game by telling us who your scum partners are.
I know now that there is no one thing that is true - it is all true.
Fake townslip! There is no such thing as scum "partners". Vote: silver
PPE: no, I know my alignment. But it's just as important in this situation to prove yourself to be town as figure out who's scum.
Maybe this is a townslip. 2 town points to silver.
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Basically, giving people information so they can come to the correct conclusion about me might even be more important than giving myself information so I can come to the correct conclusion about you too.
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I have an idea. Why don't you provide a reads list so we can compare.
QS: probably town, could be scum, I don't think you're a mime
XP: scum
Awaclus: IC
WW: I can't read WW this early, he always feels towny no matter what he does, so I need more of the actual evidence stuff to form an opinion about him. I guess he could be scum or mime.
SS: null
Ghacob: null
faust: null
chairs: null
gkrieg: null
EgorK: null
Teproc: towny, but I think he's also capable of being this towny as scum, so probably null
sudgy: null
Seprix: Sort of like WW, except that instead of feeling towny, he always feels weird no matter what he does.
Right this. This is a real reads list, because it's 95% null. Normally that's bad, sure, but given the way this game is going, it's the only sane reads list town can produce. Scum would feel pressured to put artificial reads in there. ould be mime too I suppose, but whatever, I don't think this comes from scum.
Not relevant to the current situation, but this analysis is original and correct, thus effective. Best sort of mafia analysis.
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So for Day 1, ghacob is VLA the first half of the day and doesn't do much the second half. 2 scum points.
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Silverspawn interacts very little with pudgy D1 despite being active at the same time and talking about the same time. There's only a direct question, and those are the most suspicious, because they hide authenticity. He's active and makes a lot of good points, though, so net 0.
Ghacob does a lot of that sort of thing and also vote count/deadline stuff, which is rather scummy given he doesn't do much in-game stuff.
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@Awaclus: in past games you made this speech about how, as town, you just make short posts, while as scum, you find yourself making large posts without being able to stop them. How do you explain your large post here?
1 scum point - this isn't as direct I would expect town!silverspawn to be given his interaction with faust above.
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If I count correctly, that's net 1 town for both silverspawn and ghacob. I'll be back for tomorrow (before tomorrow).
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Silverspawn interacts very little with pudgy D1 despite being active at the same time and talking about the same time. There's only a direct question, and those are the most suspicious, because they hide authenticity. He's active and makes a lot of good points, though, so net 0.
Ghacob does a lot of that sort of thing and also vote count/deadline stuff, which is rather scummy given he doesn't do much in-game stuff.
I think I/we made sure have quite a bit of interaction in my past scum games to prepare for this argument.
I haven't been scum in a long time (which is cool, I prefer town). My last scum game was dune2, were my partner got lynched day 1 and I day 2, but my second last scum game was Futuramafia. (http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=12327.0) If you reread for this purpose, were faust and I played scum together, and were not afraid to have plenty of interaction.
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@Awaclus: in past games you made this speech about how, as town, you just make short posts, while as scum, you find yourself making large posts without being able to stop them. How do you explain your large post here?
1 scum point - this isn't as direct I would expect town!silverspawn to be given his interaction with faust above.
how is that not direct ???
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^^ that sentence doesn't really make sense at the end, but I think it's clear what I was trying to say
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This is getting ridiculous. silver, if nobody agrees with you, maybe you should start questioning yourself.
another out of character thing for faust to say. first of all, seprix is agreeing with me. second of all, it'S normal to tunnel people to try to convince them. and thirdly, no-one is agreeing with you either.
even if seprix is scummy, he's not nearly as scummy as faust.
Seprix is much more likely to be mafia than faust though. So is chairs, to a lesser extent, and WW even.
none of them is nearly as likely to be mafia than faust
I don't really understand why Faust is scummy, though.
how is starting off by not contributing and then changing that upon receiving pressure something town!faust would ever do?
also, why would town!faust say I'm scum here? He would know better.
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Those have a bluntness to them a rhetorical question doesn't.
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well, I was heavily tunneling faust, obviously I will not use the same tone on every player. But I feel like that's a matter of aggression, not one of directness.
I certainly hope and am pretty sure that my normal tone isn't as aggressive as my interaction with faust here.
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Vote Count 6.1
...But that is a method for cowards; the brave man goes out into the hall, comes back with a stick, and says firmly, "You have just deliberately and cruelly exposed my ignorance before this company; I shall, therefore, beat you soundly with this stick in the presence of them all."
This you then do to him or he to you, mutatis mutandis, ceteris paribus; and that is all I have to say on Ignorance. ― Hilaire Belloc
Ghacob (1): silverspawn
Not Voting (3): Ghacob, chairs, XerxesPraelor
With 4 alive, it takes 3 to lynch, 2 to no-lynch.
Day 6 ends Wednesday September 30 at 11:00 PM forum time.
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vote: silverspawn.
Based on my rereads, combined with what i've been reading here, I think this is the best chance of hitting scum.
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vote: silverspawn.
Based on my rereads, combined with what i've been reading here, I think this is the best chance of hitting scum.
that's stupid, but fine.
vote: silverspawn
please shoot ghacob and not XP
but also explain me how and why you could think that I would mess up this badly as scum, because that's just insulting.
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I hope you read what like I said is the most important thing which happened this game. In case you didn't, it was scum not shooting the watcher. That's a more solid piece of evidence than anything else and you should give it more weight than anything else and it points towards ghacob which is why I'm baffled that you're making this mistake.
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I mess small up a lot because I think fast and post without rereading thoroughly (which I do on purpose, because I think it gives me a town image, yes I'm self-conscious, but I've done it in the past 10 games or so) but that's an entirely different kind of messing up than doing a nonsensical NK as scum. Scum has enough time to choose their targets carefully, and I think about (http://www.quicktopic.com/51/H/Py8AU7up5Fn) what I'm doing (http://www.quicktopic.com/51/H/q9eBRZhRi3x) when I'm scum.
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particularly look at my second link and then tell me how on earth I would not realize that I need to shoot the watcher!
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Aside from everything else, I mean, you didn't even tell me why you think I'm scummy. but this is more important than reads, so answer this first.
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and I hope you got something better than 'I did it to be able to make that defense'
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Mrgh.
That's fair. unvote.
Unvote yourself.
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oh, nice.
unvote
great, now we win the game 100%
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Well, I could hammer, but I'm actually leaning more toward ghacob right now. The weird though is I know we'll win with lynch silverspawn, shoot ghacob, but I'm not totally sure chairs will make the right choice. Then again, Dynasty Warriors showed that he's pretty good at it.
I'll hammer when chairs gets back.
PPE: interesting. I think this is good? I'm going to vote: ghacob
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Well, I could hammer, but I'm actually leaning more toward ghacob right now. The weird though is I know we'll win with lynch silverspawn, shoot ghacob, but I'm not totally sure chairs will make the right choice. Then again, Dynasty Warriors showed that he's pretty good at it.
I'll hammer when chairs gets back.
PPE: interesting. I think this is good? I'm going to vote: ghacob
yeah, vote: ghacob
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chairs also found out Teproc in pony mafia who I thought was gonna win for sure.
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vote: ghacob
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Woohoo, I can log in to f.ds again!
Thread locked, flip incoming.
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Final Day 6 Vote Count
For a poet he threw a very accurate milk bottle. ― Ernest Hemingway on Ezra Pound
Ghacob (3): XerxesPraelor, silverspawn, chairs
Not Voting (1): Ghacob
With 4 alive, it took 3 to lynch.
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Pascin, Wyndham Lewis, Ezra Pound, and Hilaire Belloc spent a week silently haunting the corners of cafes, mourning their dead friends and staring suspiciously at each other. Eventually they realized something: Pascin was a painter. He was different. And if you had to put the blame on someone, it was always best to pick on someone unlike yourself. Three of them had offered pithy comments throughout the weeks of terror among the artistic community of Paris, but one of them had been silent. Not unlike a mime.
When pointing their fingers at him and making shooting motions failed to work, they called the police and had him arrested. Belloc muttered something about the police enforcing social inequalities but they ignored him and filled out their statements. It turned out Pascin wasn't actually a mime, but he was Zelda Fitzgerald's accomplice in murder and also a painter. It was a good thing to have him off the streets. It was finally safe to begin work on their posthumous collaborations with Joyce, Hemingway, and Stein.
“There is never any ending to Paris and the memory of each person who has lived in it differs from that of any other. We always returned to it no matter who we were or how it was changed or with what difficulties, or ease, it could be reached. Paris was always worth it and you received return for whatever you brought to it. But this is how Paris was in the early days when we were very poor and very happy.” ― Ernest Hemingway, A Moveable Feast
Ghacob has been lynched. He was Pascin, a Mafia Goon.
The game is over! Thread unlocked forever!
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Town wins!
Big post of QTs incoming after I update the OP.
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Great job chairs/silverspawn! I'm glad we all converged on the right choice. I hope ghacob doesn't feel bad about letting us win by killing Axxle.
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It was interesting(TM) how none of the most obvious lynch candidates ended up being scum - scum were mainly just hiding in the background. (sudgy/axxle/ghacob/witherweaver). Something to look for in future games.
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Night Actions
Night 1:
Mimes don't JK anyone
Sudgy kills Teproc
Faust kills Sudgy
Seprix investigates QuickSync
QuickSync watches Teproc
Sudgy is protected by the Mafia N1 BP
Night 2:
Witherweaver JKs Axxle
Ghacob kills Gkrieg
Faust kills Gkrieg
Seprix investigates Witherweaver
Quicksync watches Seprix
Night 3:
Axxle JKs silverspawn
Ghacob kills QuickSync
chairs kills Witherweaver
Hydrad investigates Axxle
QuickSync watches Hydrad
Witherweaver is protected by the Mime 1-shot BP
Night 4:
Axxle JKs chairs
Ghacob kills Hydrad
chairs doesn't submit a kill
Hydrad investigates chairs
Night 5:
Axxle JKs chairs
Ghacob kills Axxle
chairs kills Axxle
chairs kill is blocked
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I'm surprised I pulled both night kills N3
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I mean N2
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I'm annoyed we had the setup basically figured out and still lost :(
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QTs
Mod QT: http://www.quicktopic.com/51/H/9CgUJRzWUwXn
Spectator QT: http://www.quicktopic.com/51/H/NkRWAsxe2uy
Mime QT: http://www.quicktopic.com/51/H/FxLW5idg5dc
Axxle's QT: http://www.quicktopic.com/51/H/7YangTrzSvtw
Witherweaver's QT: http://www.quicktopic.com/51/H/9uADBwYLzsw
Mafia QT: http://www.quicktopic.com/51/H/yrqQJUbHbKq2z
Ghacob's QT: http://www.quicktopic.com/51/H/6HfypACLcWDi
Sudgy's QT: http://www.quicktopic.com/51/H/iURBGXr6AhfE
Faust's QT: http://www.quicktopic.com/51/H/6GqY2wtfrEhA
chairs' QT: http://www.quicktopic.com/51/H/B8rkYX8P8hhm
Seprix/Hydrad's QT: http://www.quicktopic.com/51/H/Vvdp3jHZXayNm
QuickSync's QT: http://www.quicktopic.com/51/H/t2NBijewC6t
XerxesPraelor's QT: http://www.quicktopic.com/51/H/qBHWTpUgjahFq
silverspawn's QT: http://www.quicktopic.com/51/H/6Xd5xUGGL5C4
Gkrieg's QT: http://www.quicktopic.com/51/H/dFHALpZDSjsYj
Teproc's QT: http://www.quicktopic.com/51/H/9Ts5HC6K8TrA4
Awaclus' QT: http://www.quicktopic.com/51/H/4V4GESetiatq
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man i'm not sure if it was helpful or unhelpful that the VT finder never found a VT. making an IC i think would of been really good or do you think finding the non VT's was more helpful.
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Overall. mimes are annoying D: but made for an interesting game.
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Yay ?
Reading QTs now...
S_P in the mod QT : I can confirm that I think you should only play to win this particular game and not worry about future games, that's why I'm against policy lynching. With regard to out-of-game betting, I don't see it as against the rules, but I'll never take it seriously because I'm assuming people play to win.
I love how I got killed because "faust is probably a PR, but killing Teproc N1 is what we do right ?" (largely paraphrasing but still).
@Hydrad : Mimes are a fascinating concept, would love to play another game with them at some point.
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woo!!!!
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I claim mcp for this game
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that's most confused player
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(anyone else think that 'town wins' should not be added to the title until a few days in to keep suspense up a little bit longer?)
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And ss finds the same problem faust did... I swear I wasn't being dumb, just overthinking and overanalytical
I didn't think you were dumb. But things were much simpler than you thought - unclaimed watcher can't be a mime, he's just an IC and a PR.
Also, you weren't upset about faust suggesting that you might have messed up... that further gave you away.
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overanalyzing is basically what happened.
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@Hydrad : Mimes are a fascinating concept, would love to play another game with them at some point.
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setup was great.
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that's most confused player
I challenge you to replicate that confusion in your next scum game.
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So FWIW, I never actually thought SS was the top scum read in the final Day, but due to RL stresses I couldn't remember meaningfully who it was. I figured that pressuring SS would let him go on a tear about why I was wrong (it did) and ultimately remind me why it should be Ghacob (it did). Sorry to make you stress out so much, SS! I really wish you'd not have self-voted, though, as I was really concerned when i saw the self vote.
You also are probably the hardest person on f.ds for me to read when you're scum because I always read you as Town, so I really, really wanted to force you in particular to explain yourself.
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that's most confused player
I challenge you to replicate that confusion in your next scum game.
I'm already afraid
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So FWIW, I never actually thought SS was the top scum read in the final Day, but due to RL stresses I couldn't remember meaningfully who it was. I figured that pressuring SS would let him go on a tear about why I was wrong (it did) and ultimately remind me why it should be Ghacob (it did). Sorry to make you stress out so much, SS! I really wish you'd not have self-voted, though, as I was really concerned when i saw the self vote.
all fine, it worked out well. Self-voting was my gut reaction, and sticking to that does as I said seem to work out for me.
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Amusingly, the vig and the MYLO rather than LYLO situation made it so Ghacob couldn't have hammered you for the win anyway.
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Amusingly, the vig and the MYLO rather than LYLO situation made it so Ghacob couldn't have hammered you for the win anyway.
I don't think you can call this a MyLo situation MyLo stands for "mislynch and lose", which obviously wasn't the case here.
So much for nitpicking... I there going to be an MVP? I feel that town played this pretty badly overall (including me).
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I am wondering if it would have been a good plan for Ghacob to target chairs in the last night, forcing a no-kill.
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I agree that town played pretty bad, I think Mimes played the best, but got unlucky also Axxle didn't think to claim Vig fast enough.
So I'm debating the town MVP, but there will definitely be one! I actually feel like everyone has a couple of things against declaring them MVP in this case (no offense to anyone, it was confusing) so it's a weighing the pros and cons thing.
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not me.
I think it should be faust or chairs, but I agree that it's not clear.
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I agree that town played pretty bad, I think Mimes played the best, but got unlucky also Axxle didn't think to claim Vig fast enough.
So I'm debating the town MVP, but there will definitely be one! I actually feel like everyone has a couple of things against declaring them MVP in this case (no offense to anyone, it was confusing) so it's a weighing the pros and cons thing.
It's okay, I'll go ahead and take the MVP so you don't have to be under such pressure.
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I'd probably say Chairs though. He ultimately chose correctly in the end, and he did shoot me and Axxle (well, target).
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not me.
I think it should be faust or chairs, but I agree that it's not clear.
I mean, these are my two lead candidates, yes.
I'm leaning Faust over chairs because I actually liked his opening gambit (and it was hilarious) and because chairs missed submitting an NK (although it didn't actually matter.)
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Both Vigs had pretty good accuracy. Town made excellent use of their PRs.
Which is why I'm torn about whether town needs any sort of nerf, all the PRs performed very well here, and all the PRs got outed while the Neapolitan found mimes, which seems better than the expected result honestly.
If I were going to nerf town, it'd be changing Watcher to Tracker I think. Which isn't a huge nerf anyway. Tracker is a bit more cop-like though, and I was liking the way Watcher works in terms of what behaviors lead you to target someone.
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I'd love to play this again. I think if I'd been Faust, I'd have shot sudgy again N2. I can see the argument against it, though.
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The hilarity for me, of course, was how mad I was that the vig "wasn't doing anything" when in fact faust was shooting every night.
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Yeah, I think chairs wins most amusing QT.
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Is the Neapolitan really needed? I mean, fake claims seem a pretty big risk here for both scum teams, and it's not necessarily dangerous for the vig to decide to just shoot a (known) fake claimer instead of bothering to lynch them.
I guess Neapolitan can be "antitown" when it outs town PRs. Though doing so also creates ICs, in effect. I don't know, it basically just felt like I had no good options once I was outed. I mean getting lynched was "good", but with only one Mime alive, the Mime can't Jailkeep himself and there are two killing roles trying to hit him.
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I feel like town needs more investigative power than just the Watcher, but that a Cop is way too good.
What do you guys think of Watcher, Tracker, Vig, Backup Vig? And maybe give the Mafia a 1-shot Ninja in that case?
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Hider might be hilarious too.
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so I think I like weak PR's better than strong ones, generally. instead of cutting the weak PR, I would much rather nerf the strong ones.
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^ That was actually an error at the start of the line but it happened to make sense
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Vig, Backup Vig, Tracker, Hider? (Hider dies behind Mimes as well?)
Or is that too weak?
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Vig, Backup Vig, Tracker, Hider? (Hider dies behind Mimes as well?)
Or is that too weak?
The Hider thing always raises the question of assigning flavor names to letters... I'd try to avoid that.
Just replacing Watcher with tracker might be fine.
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Vig, Backup Vig, Tracker, Hider? (Hider dies behind Mimes as well?)
Or is that too weak?
The Hider thing always raises the question of assigning flavor names to letters... I'd try to avoid that.
Just replacing Watcher with tracker might be fine.
You're welcome. ;D
I still like Hiders though. I believe it can be worked around easily enough.
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Vig, Backup Vig, Tracker, Hider? (Hider dies behind Mimes as well?)
Or is that too weak?
The Hider thing always raises the question of assigning flavor names to letters... I'd try to avoid that.
Just replacing Watcher with tracker might be fine.
You're welcome. ;D
I still like Hiders though. I believe it can be worked around easily enough.
I mean, sure, you can disallow it in the rules - if you want to do that. You could also allow it if you think it's good.
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I think we generally undervalue hypoclaiming around here. And yeah, I do worry about Hiders becoming too much of a focus of strategy in a way that other roles don't. I like them but they weren't my first thought here.
It's always possible to create an arbitrary list of players as a way for everyone to hypoclaim who they'd hide behind if they were the Hider. No way to fix that. But with 2-NKs a night (although that never happened this game) a random-hider-target strategy seems less effective, since chances of dying are pretty high (up to 6 deadly targets at the start of the night on N1, if Vig and Mafia target town.)
It's reasonably likely that it will find one scum, but I am thinking it'd be less likely to be gamebreaking here. Would definitely look at some best and worst case scenarios before actually making a change like that though.
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I think we generally undervalue hypoclaiming around here. And yeah, I do worry about Hiders becoming too much of a focus of strategy in a way that other roles don't. I like them but they weren't my first thought here.
It's always possible to create an arbitrary list of players as a way for everyone to hypoclaim who they'd hide behind if they were the Hider. No way to fix that.
Can't you just forbid using your flavor name for any sort of code?
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You can, but you could still create a workaround in game.
For example: At the end of the day, I'm going to look at the second of my last post of the day, take that mod the number of players remaining as we go into night in the order of the list in the OP, and target that player.
Scum could technically use that to narrow down the Hider, so it isn't as good as using a flavor-name based method, but most scumteams aren't going to bother doing it for every player to narrow the list. (I totally would though.)
So yeah, there's some merit to disallowing a flavor-based method, and maybe we should. But I think Hiders are toast soon enough in this setup that even with a method that would allow scum to narrow down the target, they wouldn't get it narrowed very much before the Hider is dead anyway. In which case even disallowing that seems irrelevant. If Hider hides behind the other scumteam, or whoever the Vig targets they die too remember.
But anyway, what do you think of the powerlevel of Hider + Tracker + Vig + Backup Vig?
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And again, for this setup I think less subtle crumbs and deliberately aiming to create ICs is the best play for Hider.
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I don't like it.
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I don't like it.
Do you think it's better or worse than the current PR loadout? What about the Watcher->Tracker substitution on it's own?
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For example: At the end of the day, I'm going to look at the second of my last post of the day, take that mod the number of players remaining as we go into night in the order of the list in the OP, and target that player.
the second what? the second number of the index?
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For example: At the end of the day, I'm going to look at the second of my last post of the day, take that mod the number of players remaining as we go into night in the order of the list in the OP, and target that player.
the second what? the second number of the index?
I meant the seconds in the timestamp. But whatever, there are any number of ways to come up with something public and randomish but not provably outside-the-game random.
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I don't like it.
Do you think it's better or worse than the current PR loadout? What about the Watcher->Tracker substitution on it's own?
I don't think hiding fits at all.
Tracker vs watcher? Eh. What's the point of either in this setup? Is it to catch mafia? To catch the JK?
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If town has only the vigs, they're chances are significantly worse than the Mimes or the Mafia. Town needs some investigative power. And it would be nice if it impacted Mimes and Mafia more-or-less equally.
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For example: At the end of the day, I'm going to look at the second of my last post of the day, take that mod the number of players remaining as we go into night in the order of the list in the OP, and target that player.
the second what? the second number of the index?
I meant the seconds in the timestamp.
ah, that makes loads more sense.
You could code that, but everything you code this way is breakable by the mafia. I don't think it's a trivial problem.
It also wouldn't be great if it comes down to a matter of who invests more time into breaking codes.
I would just forbid it entirely.
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If town has only the vigs, they're chances are significantly worse than the Mimes or the Mafia. Town needs some investigative power. And it would be nice if it impacted Mimes and Mafia more-or-less equally.
So make the Neapolitan guy a full cop and drop everything else.
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If town has only the vigs, they're chances are significantly worse than the Mimes or the Mafia. Town needs some investigative power. And it would be nice if it impacted Mimes and Mafia more-or-less equally.
So make the Neapolitan guy a full cop and drop everything else.
That makes it way more swingy.
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If town has only the vigs, they're chances are significantly worse than the Mimes or the Mafia. Town needs some investigative power. And it would be nice if it impacted Mimes and Mafia more-or-less equally.
So make the Neapolitan guy a full cop and drop everything else.
That makes it way more swingy.
Right now, neo outs PRs as much as catches scum (smart scum claims PR when caught to force the counter). Cop just dies after catching one scum.
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You could have a cop and a mime cop, I guess. Roll them separate from alignment, so you could have a mime cop.
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If town has only the vigs, they're chances are significantly worse than the Mimes or the Mafia. Town needs some investigative power. And it would be nice if it impacted Mimes and Mafia more-or-less equally.
So make the Neapolitan guy a full cop and drop everything else.
please no cop. neapolitan is way more interesting role, because
- it is much weaker
- it outs PR's which is a drawback that makes it more difficult to play
- it's not a cop
You could have a cop and a mime cop, I guess. Roll them separate from alignment, so you could have a mime cop.
why do you want to replace the interesting role with more boring and straight forward roles?
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Interesting =/= balanced, which seems to be UOS's goal.
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Yeah, potentially outing the Vig is a feature not a bug.
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Interesting =/= balanced, which seems to be UOS's goal.
Why not both?
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I think Vanilla Cop (which is what the Neapolitan is), is a weakened version of cop created for just the reasons you stated.
UOS thinks town is too weak -- easy fix is fix the weakened role.
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Interesting =/= balanced, which seems to be UOS's goal.
Why not both?
There's a reason most RMM games, like mine, have disclaimers.
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You are smart enough to know that interesting/fun play isn't always the best way to win, right? Same goes for game design.
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I think Vanilla Cop (which is what the Neapolitan is), is a weakened version of cop created for just the reasons you stated.
UOS thinks town is too weak -- easy fix is fix the weakened role.
I'm actually worried town is too strong. I think it is too weak if it's Vig + Backup Vig + some other weak role. I think 4 PRs is probably the sweet spot. But I'm worried the Watcher and Neapolitan are too much by a bit. On the other hand, as I said, all the town PRs had very good accuracy this game, so maybe it's nothing.
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I don't follow, ashersky, Do you think simply changing the watcher into a tracker makes town too strong? Too weak?
Cause I feel that could be about right, and it preserves the interesting dynamics, and it's just a simple change.
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I think, in general, Watcher > Tracker, but Watcher has more interesting decision making for both the Watcher and Scum.
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I think, in general, Watcher > Tracker, but Watcher has more interesting decision making for both the Watcher and Scum.
Does he?
For Town:
Watcher : target the person you think will be killed
Tracker: target the person you think will kill
For Scum:
Watcher: rethink your choice
Tracker: give the kill to the towniest player
Okay, I guess that is slightly in favor of Watcher.
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If you feel town was too strong, but still insist they need TWO investigative roles, then how about a Voyeur?
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If you feel town was too strong, but still insist they need TWO investigative roles, then how about a Voyeur?
I like Voyeur! But I'm not sure how it provides any benefit to town in this setup. I guess if there's a massclaim and Voyeur claims targets last without having crumbed them, but if the Tracker/Watcher dies he's of no use on his own in this setup.
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If you feel town was too strong, but still insist they need TWO investigative roles, then how about a Voyeur?
I like Voyeur! But I'm not sure how it provides any benefit to town in this setup. I guess if there's a massclaim and Voyeur claims targets last without having crumbed them, but if the Tracker/Watcher dies he's of no use on his own in this setup.
It's biased toward finding the mimes, maybe, since seeing someone get jailkept would be huge. Also helps confirm the Neapolitan.
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I guess the real question is: was town too strong or too lucky?
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I guess the real question is: was town too strong or too lucky?
I thought the mimes played the best, but town's PRs made the difference. It was a good game.
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I guess the real question is: was town too strong or too lucky?
Obviously too strong~
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What if we just dropped the vigs and bulletproof/jail keeper swingy shenanigans and change the mime wincon to be lynched before the mafia die?
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I guess the real question is: was town too strong or too lucky?
I haven't read anything recently, but I think if mafia had chosen different targets the game would have been a scum win (either mafia or mime)
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What if we just dropped the vigs and bulletproof/jail keeper swingy shenanigans and change the mime wincon to be lynched before the mafia die?
That's possibly a fun choice, but it's definitely a different game, in a fashion.
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What if we just dropped the vigs and bulletproof/jail keeper swingy shenanigans and change the mime wincon to be lynched before the mafia die?
I liked that interactio because it gives a good reason to not do massclaims. I would argue that it might be better to give the mafia a roleblocker also.
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Without a vig, mafia could just not post at all ever (or do post but bluntly refuse to cooperate in any way) and it would be a legit strategy, because it might just be a mime trying to get lynched.
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Without a vig, mafia could just not post at all ever (or do post but bluntly refuse to cooperate in any way) and it would be a legit strategy, because it might just be a mime trying to get lynched.
Or town~
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I'll talk more about revisions later (not much time today) but I agree with what SS and Faust are saying, and while Axxle's idea might be worth trying (it sounds fun) I think it's too different for my goal of making this setup as good as it can be.
Anyway,
MVP goes to Faust
I just like to mix it up and go with the real outsider candidates, you know ;)
But it comes down to a couple of things:
1) Faust had pretty good vig accuracy, even if Watcher made that less important.
2) His opening gambit paid off on preventing him from being the NK and making him look mime.
3) His Hemingway quotes engaged with the theme and amused me, and that's really the most important thing of all.
4) Next time Faust is weird people are going to think he's a PR, so any repeats of this gambit will be under layers and layers of meta, this is the only time it's going to work in it's pure form for him.