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[silverspawn]

I don't have a problem with him using his power to protect himself and his town reads. Admitting that he targeted Joseph without naming XP is what sounds suspicious, because it's exactly what scum who actually roleblocked Joseph tonight would claim.

I don't get this. why should I name XP?

You came up with the XP plan. I'd think you kind of want him alive so that it goes through.

well I wasn't expecting Joseph to poison XP...

It's pretty likely that one of Joseph/silver is lying IMO, and I think it's silver.

why?

Well, if not, someone lied about their role. I'm thinking of a plan to out any liars.

what about this:

As far as the Joseph poison thing.  My initial understanding of his power was that scum attacking a player would negate both poison and attack.  However, if Joseph is telling the truth, then I think it is probably just an attack negates poison, but poison does not negate the attack.  So XP still died because he was attacked twice.

Joseph, is that correct?

maybe Joseph just messed up explaining his role?

Joseph, confirm that please. Does poison indeed stop attacking, or just vice versa, or both?

[faust]

maybe Joseph just messed up explaining his role?

Joseph messed up explaining his role = Joseph lied.

[silverspawn]

I don't have a problem with him using his power to protect himself and his town reads. Admitting that he targeted Joseph without naming XP is what sounds suspicious, because it's exactly what scum who actually roleblocked Joseph tonight would claim.

I don't get this. why should I name XP?

I'm not arguing that town!you should have done something different. I'm arguing that this is exactly what scum!you should claim, and that's why the claim is suspicious.

well... mhpf. I guess.

[faust]

And why would you poison XP?

XP's role looked like it had very little town utility, so I thought he was scum.

Wait, no, Joseph's claims needs verification.

"Except if the person I poison gets attacked, they don't die."

They don't die by whom?

Just to clarify, my role means if that person gets attacked (on the night I poison them, or the one after), then the poison stops them being killed. Basically, I make them 1-shot Bulletproof. The flavour idea is that if I poison them and scum stabs them, then the stab causes the poison to leave them, so they don't die.
So as XP was attacked, then as I poisoned XP, he shouldn't have been killed.
Which means someone must have stopped me attacking XP.

This is pretty unambiguous I think.

[silverspawn]

This is pretty unambiguous I think.

it is, except the flavor explanation contradicts what he said before that.

[faust]

I can claim btw. I actually spilled the information earlier because I was excited, but somehow people didn't really notice.

I targeted chairs last night. He was targeted by pickpocket and therapist (and no other role).

So what does that mean? I means Xerxes followed the plan, choosing chairs and redirecting him to someone. But the redirection failed, or else I wouldn't have seen Awaclus targeting chairs (he would have been redirected). So whoever Xerxes targeted must be scum. Thus, it is a high priority issue to find out who might have been Xerxes' target.

[Joseph2302]

I don't have a problem with him using his power to protect himself and his town reads. Admitting that he targeted Joseph without naming XP is what sounds suspicious, because it's exactly what scum who actually roleblocked Joseph tonight would claim.

I don't get this. why should I name XP?

You came up with the XP plan. I'd think you kind of want him alive so that it goes through.

well I wasn't expecting Joseph to poison XP...

It's pretty likely that one of Joseph/silver is lying IMO, and I think it's silver.

why?

Well, if not, someone lied about their role. I'm thinking of a plan to out any liars.

what about this:

As far as the Joseph poison thing.  My initial understanding of his power was that scum attacking a player would negate both poison and attack.  However, if Joseph is telling the truth, then I think it is probably just an attack negates poison, but poison does not negate the attack.  So XP still died because he was attacked twice.

Joseph, is that correct?

maybe Joseph just messed up explaining his role?

Joseph, confirm that please. Does poison indeed stop attacking, or just vice versa, or both?

Reading is hard. Both are true, but I hadn't considered the 2nd option.

Poison stops attack, as a poisoned person cannot die from being attacked.
Attack stops poison, as an attack causes the poison to leave the person.

[Joseph2302]

Also, PPE:1.

[Witherweaver]

I don't think so:

"You are a Therapist. Each night, you may target a player and then another. All Attacks that have affected the first target (including past attacks), will be moved to the second player. This action will fail if the player you target second is Mafia-aligned."

[Witherweaver]

XP's ability moves attacks (they're like status here) from one player to another.  He doesn't redirect Actions.

[Witherweaver]

Did anyone claim Pickpocket?

[faust]

I don't think so:

"You are a Therapist. Each night, you may target a player and then another. All Attacks that have affected the first target (including past attacks), will be moved to the second player. This action will fail if the player you target second is Mafia-aligned."

Oh. Right, eh... I was just assuming that Xerxes told us the truth about his role and didn't double-check the posted role description. Nevermind then. It's cool how we tricked scum into killing a useless role. If that was your intention, Xerxes, then good job.

[Awaclus]

Did anyone claim Pickpocket?

I did.

[faust]

Did anyone claim Pickpocket?

Awaclus did. What about your claim?

PPE: Awaclus

[Witherweaver]

Huh, neat.  Makes me want to lynch an ADK.

Or we could always lynch Ashersky.  Because that's cool.

[Witherweaver]

What about your claim?

I solemnly swear I am up to no good.

[2.71828.....]

e, who was your target?

Ashersky

[Witherweaver]

Why?

[2.71828.....]

Why?

Because he has an investigative role and I was getting a very strong town vibe from him

[Ichimaru Gin]

A few things came up yesterday. I should be able to catch up when I get back from class in a few hours. There's a lot of stuff that doesn't really make sense. Like Joseph targeting XP.

[2.71828.....]

vote: Ichi.  He has been super careful to be on the correct side of things.  Which I find scummy.

Actually Awaclus said he didn't care, so we need only one more for massclaim to get a majority. Then we can push everyone who refuses to participate to L-1 to get them to claim. It'll be fun!

Eh. I'm considering changing my stance on massclaiming. Scum might have anti-town or obviously scum PR's and will have to make something up--which might incriminate them. My power is...strange and I would actually appreciate input on how to use it to the best advantage.

Yeah. So actually put me down as vote: massclaim although I'm normally against this sort of thing.

Making extra sure that you are benefiting and supporting town.

kk.

I am the Town Blackmailer. And my power is kind of different. It basically revolves around me picking one person to target--and then naming several other people and if any of those people I name gets lynched, my target is protected from attacks for the following night.

Extra emphasis on Town Blackmailer.  I am pretty sure all the roles were handed out without a "town" or "scum" attached to them.  (Look at your own role PM and Hydrad's and XP's for reference)

Plus, my ability isn't like super useful and could be helped by coordination of town to decide who to lynch.

Keep pointing out that town coordination.

At some point, I think it would be a good idea to collectively decide one of my chosen lynches for tomorrow. Not everyone agrees with my reads, so I don't want to become useless and/or hurt my target just because people won't listen to me. SS is not in my lynch pool for now though.

Seeking town approval

So should I use my power tonight?
I feel super confident in my reads--less so that people are going to sheep me so someone can get protected tomorrow night. I had mentioned earlier I thought it would be a good idea for people to pick one person they'd like to lynch tomorrow, so at least one of my lynch choices is likely to go through. Otherwise, I'm ok with not using my power since it's probably more hurtful than helpful if we don't lynch one of the people I pick tomorrow.

Looking for more town approval.

Ichimaru Gin: Hedges on Hydrad a fair amount. There's some interesting interaction with SS warning him off the wagon and accusing him of trying to distract from it. He isn't on the final wagon, he says he thinks Hydrad's scummy a bunch of times and basically tells someone to hammer him. Is this how Ichi treats his partners? I'm thinking not.

I appreciate the analysis, but it does feel rather odd to preemptively defend yourself in a list like this.

Noted.

I did not use my power last night.

And concluding with what he thinks town wanted him to do with his role.

[2.71828.....]

I might have a plan for tonight. it involves e dying.

I don't really like this plan.  But I am willing to hear it out.

[Ichimaru Gin]

let's lynch e today. I can't defend myself right now. Your "case"  is fluff. please, what's the use of me asking for advice about my role if I'm just going to ignore it?

Ooh Ichi did what he thought was best for town--he must be scum!
phone post.

PPE: 1

[Ichimaru Gin]

I might have a plan for tonight. it involves e dying.

I'm listening, intently.

[Witherweaver]

let's lynch e today. I can't defend myself right now. Your "case"  is fluff. please, what's the use of me asking for advice about my role if I'm just going to ignore it?

Ooh Ichi did what he thought was best for town--he must be scum!
phone post.

PPE: 1

Man, seriously?