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[Joseph2302]

Vote: silverspawn.

[Witherweaver]

Oops. vote: ADK

I was pretty set on ADK being Hydrad's partner for most of yesterday, but I had stopped thinking that at some point after ADK became more involved.  I don't remember exactly.. maybe the way he was going after Hydrad for some of the time didn't seem like partner as much.

[Witherweaver]

I would be okay lynching Ashersky today.

[A Drowned Kernel]

Looking at Xerxes' reads.

#80 votes ADK
#118 votes Ichi after his claim
#262 calls my analysis "manipulative". Votes for me.
#401 votes Hydrad
#538 says silver, IG, WW are all "making sense".
#539 Says he's okay with ADK
#544 I'm not quite sure what this is referring to. Does Xerxes suggest I'm Hydrad's partner?

Aaand... that's it. Well, this doesn't really look good for me, does it? Here's the player list:

2.7 - Xerxes never talks about him. Has been off wagon, so he would make sense as an investigation target.
A Drowned Kernel - very likely indeed. Xerxes seems to have a bit of a scum read. And he was off-wagon.
ashersky - redirecting Awaclus to an investigatve role would be bad I guess?
Awaclus - well, he could have redirected Awaclus to himself. But I'm unsre what would happen then. Does it create an infinite loop? Does it tear the fabric of space and time? I'm not sure I'd risk that.
Faust - me- Also, don't redirect to investigative roles applies here.
Joseph2302 - no way
Silverspawn - the making sense comment. Plus he decided Hydrad's fate.
Witherweaver - also "making sense", also a supporter of the Hydrad wagon
chairs - Redirecting to chairs is an interesting way for Xerxes to ensure he's not being manipulated.
Ichimaru Gin - less likely due to "making sense", but he was off-wagon.

Yeah, vote: ADK[/s]

a) You don't think that XP getting killed had more to do with his role? Especially since it required both scum teams to independently decide to kill him?

b) Yes, I was off wagon, but I was voting for Hydrad and pushing the wagon for a lot of the day, and only switched away when the wagon was stalling hardcore. Voting for me makes zero sense.

[faust]

a) You don't think that XP getting killed had more to do with his role? Especially since it required both scum teams to independently decide to kill him?

b) Yes, I was off wagon, but I was voting for Hydrad and pushing the wagon for a lot of the day, and only switched away when the wagon was stalling hardcore. Voting for me makes zero sense.

a) You have two options: Read carefully or wait till the claiming is done.

b) I'm not looking at things that make you scummy. I'm looking at things that might make Xerxes think you're scum.

[Joseph2302]

So, when are we claiming?

[silverspawn]

I'm not sure how you reach this chain. Either you go with off-wagon first, but then you have to put yourself before chairs, or you go with lie detecting last, but then you'd have to claim way later. Also, I'm not sure ADK/Ichi should claim their targets at all (maybe Ichi claims his list of lynchees, but not the Doc target), since their roles both have effect on N2.

I did both. I am on wagon; so why put me before chairs? and I only counted you as a lie detector.

I'm fine with your list though.

so, are we claiming now? We might have to vote for that.

[faust]

Why would we not claim? Sogo ahead. The only thing that really matters is that silver, ash and me claim last.

[silverspawn]

Why would we not claim?

I don't know! I was expecting a followup-massclaim, but then I started talking about it and got weird looks/no responses

so, doesn't anyone want to comment on the claiming thing?

People should claim if they have something interesting to claim, otherwise keep quiet.

[faust]

Gotta say I'm a bit wary of WW... the whole "he got to use Hydrad's power" is scummy. I'd actually like to know whom he targeted with it.

It seems quite the Deus ex Machina if you get to use your dead partner's power one more time.

[Witherweaver]

Gotta say I'm a bit wary of WW... the whole "he got to use Hydrad's power" is scummy. I'd actually like to know whom he targeted with it.

It seems quite the Deus ex Machina if you get to use your dead partner's power one more time.

Why bring it up?  Because I'm afraid of being tracked?

I don't have any issues saying who I targeted with it.  But it's not good to give the teams notice of whether the other team has targetted this person or not.

[faust]

Gotta say I'm a bit wary of WW... the whole "he got to use Hydrad's power" is scummy. I'd actually like to know whom he targeted with it.

It seems quite the Deus ex Machina if you get to use your dead partner's power one more time.

Why bring it up?  Because I'm afraid of being tracked?

I don't have any issues saying who I targeted with it.  But it's not good to give the teams notice of whether the other team has targetted this person or not.

Well, you're answering your own questions. Start claiming already if you're around.

[Witherweaver]

And also, this kind of assumes I'd be Hydrad's partner.. don't you consider that contingency to be of, like, minimal likelihood?

[faust]

And also, this kind of assumes I'd be Hydrad's partner.. don't you consider that contingency to be of, like, minimal likelihood?

Every scum player is Hydrad's partner. It's just that they may not have known this until he died.

[Witherweaver]

I'm more interested in figuring out why I got to use Hydrad's power.

Potential theory:

Scum has a role that bestows upon someone the ability to use one of their powers.  I guess you'd want to give it to the other scum "team".  ADK claimed a role doing something like this.. maybe he's Hydrad's "partner" (i.e., known one),  he was lying in his claim, and thinks I'm on the other scum team.

Not sure what other theory makes sense, except of course God stepping in and bestowing a (somewhat, but not very, useful) power upon me.

[faust]

Vote: Witherweaver

[Witherweaver]

You're not being useful.

[faust]

You're not being useful.

Same for you. You say you don't have a problem with claiming. Why don't you?

[Witherweaver]

Because what's the actual benefit of it?

[Ichimaru Gin]

Ichimaru Gin: Hedges on Hydrad a fair amount. There's some interesting interaction with SS warning him off the wagon and accusing him of trying to distract from it. He isn't on the final wagon, he says he thinks Hydrad's scummy a bunch of times and basically tells someone to hammer him. Is this how Ichi treats his partners? I'm thinking not.

I appreciate the analysis, but it does feel rather odd to preemptively defend yourself in a list like this.

Noted.

I did not use my power last night.

[A Drowned Kernel]

I used my power on Joseph last night.

[faust]

I used my power on Joseph last night.

*sigh* the only one who should have kept quiet... why does nobody listen?

[faust]

Because what's the actual benefit of it?

We get to know whether you're scum or not.

[Witherweaver]

How would it tell you that?

[faust]

How would it tell you that?

You say you targeted say, e with Hydrad's power and me with Governor.

ash can tell us whether you used these roles if he targeted you.
I can tell if the people you chose were actually targeted if I targeted them.
silver can say whether your investigation could have been successful if he targeted you.

Last but not least, we can evaluate whether your actions make sense from a town!you perspective.

These things are all pretty obvious. Why do you fight the claim?