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Variants and Fan Cards / Re: Cards That Use The Bottom of The Deck
« on: March 15, 2012, 06:00:30 pm »
I don't know, but is Pearl worded right? One Pearl says that you may return one copy of it to the bottom of the deck, so wouldn't 5 Pearls mean that you may return 5 times one copy? If so, it would be overpowered, since 5 Pearls would mean that you get 10$ every turn (unless attacked): Play 5, draw pile is empty, return them to the bottom of your deck, i.e. draw them again.

Edit: I misunderstood Reserves and edited it out. Let's say you have 5 cards in hand as usual. Maybe compare it now with other cards like Spy or Cartographer. I think it's way, way better than Cartographer. Ok, you don't discard cards, but you get to chose 5 cards out of 10 for each turn, which is huge, especially since it is non-terminal. Plus, the maybe bad 5 cards don't go into your next hand, but to the bottom of the deck, which may be some turns ahead, or, with cards like Chancellor, never.
Draw up to 10 cards can be even more a problem after handsize-reduction attacks or something like fishing village, and so on. Even Minion or Watchtower can be huge in this kind of decks, and they only draw to 4 and 6.

It was supposed to read no matter how many pearls you played, you could only return 1 to the bottom your deck. I've changed it to 2.

I've also added a condition to Reserves so it doesn't get played like an uber powerful library.

Variants and Fan Cards / Cards That Use The Bottom of The Deck
« on: March 15, 2012, 06:10:33 am »
I like pearl diver, and think that other cards could use the bottom of the deck as a place for safekeeping/something that will come back eventually/a pocket for deck density.

Here are a few of my ideas:

Cost: 3
+1 action
Draw the top and bottom card of your deck
Return one card from your hand to the bottom of your deck

Cost: 3
+1 action
You may return cards to the bottom of your deck. For every card you return to the bottom of your deck, +1 card
Then, for every card you return to the top of your deck, +1 coin

Cost: 5
If this is the first treasure you play this turn, worth 3, otherwise worth 2.
During the clean up phase, you must return either one or two pearls to the bottom of your deck instead of discarding.

Rear Admiral:
Cost: 4
+1 Card, +1 Coin
Each other player returns cards to the bottom of their deck until they have 3 cards in hand

Cost: 5
+1 action
If you have not played any other actions this turn:
Draw up to 10 cards in hand
Return 5 cards to the bottom of your deck

Cost: 2
+1 Card
+1 Buy
Return all treasures played this turn to the bottom of your deck

Cost: 3
Each player (including you) reveals the bottom card of their deck. He either puts it on top of his deck or discards it; your choice.
Then, +1 Card, +1 Coin

Cost: 3
Each other player may return a card to the bottom of their deck and draw a card. Then, if the bottom card of their deck is not a curse, they gain a curse and place it on the bottom of the deck.

Flea Market
Cost: 4
The player to your left reveals the bottom card of his deck. If it's not a province or colony, you may gain a copy of that card or trash up to 2 copies of that card from your hand. If you do neither, +1 action.

The cards are mostly just variants of other cards (Laboratory, Cellar+Secret Chamber, Stash, Militia/Ghost Ship, Tactician, Herbalist) but the bottom of the deck adds some interesting twists. For example, the choice of what to "discard" when hit by rear admiral isn't very obvious since those 2 victory cards you "discard" are likely to return together, and you can't really expect when.

Any comments?

Any other ideas for cards that use the bottom of the deck as a mechanic?

EDIT: Added 3 ideas from later posts.

Puzzles and Challenges / Re: Most points with no VP chips.
« on: February 23, 2012, 05:16:12 am »
I agree with JanErik's choice of cards, but in games with more than one player you can use the ambassador and/or masquerade in the black market to get everyone else's starting coppers and estates (as well as silvers and potentially curses when you buy the Ill gotten gains and Embassy in the black market deck). I'd also interpret the black market deck as having every single card not in the supply, including Goons, Bishop and Monument (just never play them).

It wouldn't be too hard to redo the calculations (just have as many cards as possible and solve for the ideal number of curses - in games with 3 or more players it will be as many as possible without going over the nearest multiple of 10 total cards)

Also, the buying is even easier if you TR a KC and use it to play Bridge and Highway thrice, and also play princess. The bridges will themselves give you enough money to buy the last platinum and colony, and everything else will be free.

Variants and Fan Cards / Re: Idea - way to make "Blood Money" balanced?
« on: February 18, 2012, 09:10:25 am »
My take (similar to the Cache Idea)

Cost: 5
+1 Card, +1 Coin (eg fairly useless)
When you buy a Curse, gain a Relic and a Silver. When you gain a relic any other way, gain a Gold and a Curse.

Variants and Fan Cards / Re: Fan Expansion - Dominion: Conflict
« on: February 18, 2012, 09:00:40 am »
I posted the expansion on BGG with changes; check them out, including the "Rule" card (mainly used for clarifications)

Also I posted this to explain my thought process behind each card

My thoughts when creating the cards (presented like a Secret History)

Ambush: My way of implementing a "trap", and one of the first things I thought of when coming up with the idea of altering supply piles. It's designed to counteract cursing cards or predictable strategies. Most of the time it will be played directly below the top card of a supply pile, and it will function like an embargo in that sense. However it need not be, and it can lead to some clever mind games. It's also viable to deliberately ambush yourself to trash coppers; and this can be more widely employed than buying Mint.

Uncertainty: This was added (like Pride) because it's not worth adding in a complication to the rules for a single kingdom card. It also gives Ambush games a unique flavor.

Arms Dealer: I wanted a card that gave value to +buys if you didn't want to use them. Originally you could use buys to give unblockbale curses. Obviously this was too strong, hence the Action or Treasure distinction. It will be used as a copper attack mainly, but the +buy is there if you genuinely need it.

Tactic: Inspired by the immediate attack of Noble Brigand. It was originally called "first strike" but I learned about the Black Market/Tactician combo, and the name was changed accordingly. I personally really like combos like Black Market/Quarry and don't think they break the game.

Maneuver: This card doesn't really need to be here, but I liked the idea of an effect that came into play when a supply pile was depleted. Of course, this only works with Tactic and Black Market.

Lifeline: Originally the card was just a +1 card +1 action Moat that jumped into your hand when you needed it (eg when Margrave or Sea Hag attacked), and it was heavily underpriced at 2. I then noticed that it functioned similarly to Laboratory, but was more interesting in how it worked, so the moat effect was removed. The text is worded as such that you don't draw the card when searching the deck with venture, hunting party etc. and so Golem plays it, but it can't be drawn dead by Smithy. The Stash feature is a necessary due to needing the card to be identifiable and not being able to guarantee fair shuffling.

Missionary: A slightly slower, more costly variant of chapel that can trash itself, and the first card that can actively deplete supply piles. It's ability to trigger Ill Gotten Gains and Border Village is deliberate - in the case of the former the effect of cheaply giving out unblockable curses is mitigated by guaranteeing there's a curse trasher in the supply, while in the case of the latter it'll temporarily function as a stronger workshop.

Racketeer/Racket: This was the first "single card that changes the game" that I thought of, but the racketeer was created so that the "racket" has a home. Originally it sat on top of the provinces and cost far, far less. This card is designed to stop predictable strategies and also play a role in the stage of the game when grand market, possession and the $7 cards are viable, as well as the late game buying of alternative victory cards (this card can be a real obstacle a gardens strategy if played too predictably).

Relic: A spin on Cache, also bringing in the idea of a fairly useless card that's good for its remodel value. I also thought that it would be cool to have games in which people would actually buy a curse, although I don't think people will take the "free silver" option often.

Salesman: I wanted a card that did something with the randomisers, instead of just sitting there to remind players of empty piles. This card was costed to be a cheaper, riskier, market. The fact that it contradicts the other cards in the set (which don't have randomisers) didn't occur to me until I was typing this, but I don't think it's much of a problem

Scrapyard: The "village" of this expansion; too bad the name "Shanty Town" was taken. I wanted to make a card where you look closer at the trash pile, but I didn't want to fall into the trap that Yu-Gi-Oh fell into where "removed from play" was simply a different level of "Discard". The triggering of the new effects at 6  means that cards likely to be trashed (Copper, Curse, Estate, Feast, Ambush, White Elephant, Relic) don't trigger the effect, and instead either a conscious decision has to be made to give up a powerful card (usually a gold) to power up scrapyards, or the game has to have reached a point where golds are being remodelled into provinces.

Settlers: This expansion is trying to make other decks have an unexpected influence, and I wanted a "gardens" that was based off another players deck. Originally it was based off estates, but the idea of a curser that keeps track of cursing was the simplest.

Tower/Foundation: The card would fit well against the Variety theme of Cornucopia; fail to have variety and these cards will be very powerful by the end of the game. This card is also designed to somewhat direct the flow of gameplay; if one player is going for towers the best counter is usually to diminish the value of the pile, forcing the tower player onto the defensive.

Warchest: Originally called "piggy bank". This card was the best thing I could think of for a card that would be bought early in the game and used near (or at the end) of it. It's also designed so that Thief and Pirate Ship can have an added sting (by filling the deck with useless copper)

White Elephant/Pride: The idea is a very powerful card that you'd want as early as possible, but one that slows you down. The original concept was a very strong victory card you had to use as your action, but one that you couldn't buy with any treasure other than copper in play. This was a bit more fun, and less exploitable for the late game. The Pride rule exists just to keep players honest about whether there's a White Elephant in their hand. 

Conflict: I wanted to fit as much variety as possible into a theoretical small box expansion, so I came up with the three special cards that go on top of the piles that nobody would usually buy from in their right mind to add a bit of variety. Here I make estates free when nobody would be buying estates in their right mind anyway, to provide a little extra motivation. My first thought was that the first province or colony destroyed the rule, but I didn't want it to power up Gardens or Silk road too much.

Burden: Purely here for fun. It's a hot potato that in most cases will be thrown back. Might also create some interesting situations in games with Ill gotten gains or Familiar, with players waiting for the ideal moment to get that last curse in.

Rare Coin: A copper that you might actually want to buy. It might be worth hanging onto if you want your mountebanks, noble brigands, jesters and arms dealers to be fully effective, and it makes "Cache" all the more intriguing. I think it will come and go often enough to be fair.

Variants and Fan Cards / Re: Fan Expansion - Dominion: Conflict
« on: February 03, 2012, 02:45:17 am »
I've added 2 more blue cards. Check them out.

Variants and Fan Cards / Re: Fan Expansion - Dominion: Conflict
« on: February 01, 2012, 09:52:00 pm »
Also your opponent doesn't see where you put the ambush within the deck

Yes, they do. You can count the number of cards in a supply pile at any time, so you can look through the supply pile and see where the ambush is.

Damn. There's no way around that one. I guess I could just make a clause that when ambush is in the supply pile, you aren't allowed to do that.

The idea behind settlers is that is based off someone else's deck (since there's kind of a theme going on with decks you least expect having a bigger influence), but I didn't want to make it that simple. I also just really like the idea of single cards that go from deck to deck. You do best of out settlers if you treat them like cheaper duchies (and not doing some kind of "gardens" thing with estates - the best you can do is make each estate and settlers worth 2 each), and the "conquest" card would in most games just be something that gets passed around for strategy. I do the automatic gain thing to avoid the situation where the conquest is on the supply pile at the end of the game, though maybe I should write a condition for that instead.

Anyway, what would you suggest to balance the concept of Lifeline (a useful card that jumps into your hand as soon as it pops up)?

Variants and Fan Cards / Re: Fan Expansion - Dominion: Conflict
« on: February 01, 2012, 06:07:39 pm »
Arms dealer is a reaction in that you can discard it when it's not your turn to draw a card, but I guess that's not really necessary.

Ambush you gain the curse if you turn up the card. If you gain a card, and then the top card of the supply pile is an ambush, you take all the hits. It's no longer "yours" when you put it in the deck. Also your opponent doesn't see where you put the ambush within the deck - I might give the card a different back so that you can know for sure it isn't at the bottom of a supply pile (which is only there so there's no conflict with Tower base). The curse was also added while I was writing; originally it was intentionally viable to Ambush yourself to trash your early treasures.

I'll increase the price of Lifeline. I had it at 4 because it's basically a different laboratory you have less control over, but I changed it to 2 while I was typing it for some reason (maybe because it does nothing once it's in your hand other than replace itself. I don't see how it's much better than moat as a reaction though, except against margrave and sea hag.

Lifeline is a free draw. You don't draw it. You put it in your hand, and it doesn't count as a draw. If you play smithy and you see the back of lifeline after the first draw, you put that in your hand and then you draw the other 2 cards. Hunting party and golem could put all the lifelines in your hand. Maybe I'll change it so that you can "draw" it in the middle of an action, and if you draw it that way, +1 card, but if it's just sitting there, grab it.

Missionary is meant to be a chapel that also burns through piles you think the opponent might really want (hence the reason it can't burn through provinces and colonies). It can also trash itself, but unlike chapel in games without cursers you might want to hang on to it.

Relic is basically a useless card that enables you to get a free silver (with baggage) or a cheaper gold (with baggage). I'd compare it to cache. The extra copper thing is something you'd almost never use, and is mainly there for theming.

I forgot about the empty pile thing, but I'd just use other markers. Also it's worth noting that the 3 cards with one off blue cards as part of their function wouldn't appear in the salesman deck.

I'll change moving the base of the tower to an action rather than a when buy, but buying all but one of the towers would be quite a foolish strategy. If you've got roughly equal numbers of towers then it won't matter about the sudden change of value. It's when one player buys all of them that things start getting problematic. I suppose if I change it to an action the best way to influence the value of towers is to whittle down the tower rather than pull the rug out. That's the purpose of the card.

If it's your turn, you gain conquest if it's out, so whoever goes first gets the conquest. I'll change it to "place" rather than gain to remove the trader conflict.

The problem with Warchest is once you use the extra power you've got a deck clogged with copper. I first thought of the concept when I was thinking of a treasure that hurt extra hard when a thief or pirate ship trashed it.
I didn't really intend for the "one time gold" effect (I was thinking you'd trash it without gaining the 2 coin), but maybe it's a feature I'd want with a price rise.

White elephant gives you +2 VP like monument. It's an action, and one you'd do well to play as many times as possible during the game so getting it early isn't a bad thing. The problem is when it gets into your hand, you HAVE to play it or you lose it, which could slow you down. It's named white elephant because it's a burden to keep in your deck but you get attached to it. The original idea was a victory card that you'd buy early and hang onto the whole game. The first idea I had was something like +8 VP but you can't buy it with any treasure other than copper and you lose it if you don't play it as your action. That seemed very situational though.

When it comes to gaining, gaining burden is identical to gaining curse, but once it's in your hand it's a different card, so mountebank would give you another curse -although I was thinking of calling it "curse" and just having the text below be different. The main goal with burden is to sort of add a "hot potato" element to cursing - having a burden in your hand should be essentially no different to having a regular curse.

The other 2 blue cards are basically Schrodingers Copper/Estate - they're in your hand and deck if you want them but if you don't they can vanish just as easily. Royal Estate in particular is functionally identical to an estate, except you can get rid of it if you think your hand will improve.

The blue cards will react to ambassador the same way as prize cards and black market cards - they aren't "in the supply" as such. I'm currently interpreting Ambassador as returning cards to the top of a supply, so you can use Ambassador to hide the blue cards and "Racket". Conquest should ALWAYS be in someone's deck - it just needs to start somewhere.

Variants and Fan Cards / Re: Fan Expansion - Dominion: Conflict
« on: February 01, 2012, 04:40:40 pm »
Arms Dealer is probably insanely powerful in sets with any +buy, and better than a Familiar without. Granted, there's no +card, but it stacks with itself. If you get 2 of them in play, then that's 3 Curses you give out. If you get 3 of them in play, that's 6 Curses. 4 of them is 10 Curses.

I don't intend for it to stack. You're either in arms dealer mode, where everyone else gains a single copy of the card instead of you gaining one, or you're not. Arms dealer+Arms dealer will give you one more buy, that's it (it'd be the same as market+arms dealer). Throne Room+Arms dealer would be useless. How do I word it so that's a bit more clear?

Also the tradeoff is you don't get to use your +buys to buy cards you want, but of course in many games with +buy you don't actually use them, so I suppose it's more powerful than I think.

Variants and Fan Cards / Re: Fan Expansion - Dominion: Conflict
« on: February 01, 2012, 04:33:27 pm »
Missionary is a crazy good opener.  Gain a Gold/Platinum?  Yes please.

You have to trash it immediately.

EDIT: But I didn't type that. Oops. Fix'd.

Variants and Fan Cards / Re: Fan Expansion - Dominion: Conflict
« on: February 01, 2012, 03:27:17 pm »
So, is Arms Dealer really working how you intend? Because as it is, it turns ANY +buy card or any gainer, including itself, into a curser which isn't even an attack. (Play Arms Dealer, use all your buys on curses, then discard arms dealer from play to get +1 buy and buy whatever it is you intended to buy this turn anyway)

That was the intention - it's basically a witch, but if you've got extra buys you can do extra curses. I haven't playtested it but the way you put it I guess it does seem broken.

First Strike doesn't quite work... a few different people have tried something like this, and it's always the same problem... Treasure cards don't have a "face value." What about Bank, Philosopher's Stone, and Copper with Coppersmith in play?

I want it to work like the "immediate buy" in Black Market.

Variants and Fan Cards / Fan Expansion - Dominion: Conflict
« on: February 01, 2012, 01:04:11 pm »
All kinds of feedback, from costs and names to concepts, and from unconstructive criticism to blind praise will be much appreciated.

The expansion is a small box expansion with 150 cards (I like working within the same constraints as donald X).

There are some rules clarifications to fit in with some of the stranger cards in the expansion:
*Each supply pile is named after the cards in it when the game is first set up
*When you are instructed to gain a card, you gain the top card from that supply pile
*When you buy a card, do things in the following order: "Buy" the card -> Resolve any When Buy effects -> Gain the card -> Resolve any when gain effects
*When you are instructed to return a card to the supply, return it to the top
*URGENT cards are coloured red, and you follow the red text on the card if the conditions are met
*RULE cards are also coloured red, and remain in play until add a rule that must be followed for the rest of the game
*There is only one of each Italics card in the supply pile. They have blue backs, and also function as the randomisers for the card they refer to.
*When all players gain a card, they do so in a clockwise order from the player whose turn it currently is, starting to the player to the left.
*In every card's text, Curse refers to the type of card, not the card named "Curse".

Without further ado, the cards. The theme is cards with a mind of their own. There's also a focus on interactivity. The "special" component of the expansion is the single cards that you can put on top of existing piles to spice up the game.

+1 Card, +1 Action
You may place this card anywhere inside any supply pile.
When this card appears on top of a supply pile other than "Ambush": Trash this card. If any cards were gained this turn, trash them. If it's your turn, you must either trash or discard all cards in play; you must at least trash the treasure or attack card of highest cost in play.

You may not count the number of cards in a supply pile or otherwise view their contents. You may trash this rule when all 10 "Ambush" cards are in the trash pile.
When you gain this card, gain an Ambush and immediately put this into play

Setup: Place this card on top of the Ambush supply pile

Arms Dealer
Cost: 5
+1 action
+1 buy
While an Arms Dealer is in play, when you gain an action or treasure card, you may make all other players gain a copy of it as well. If you do, +1 coin, and you may then choose to return the gained card to the supply pile. If you do, +coin equal to the price of that card.

Cost: 3
You may immediately buy a card. If it's an action or treasure card, play it.

Cost: 0
If there are 2 empty supply piles and this card is on top of a supply pile: Trash this card
When you buy this card, +1 card, +1 action. You cannot gain this card.

Setup: Place this card at the bottom of the "First Strike" supply pile.

Cost: 5
+1 Card. +1 action. If you drew this card as part of an action, you may reveal it. If you do, +1 card.
On the back of the card: URGENT: If you are not currently drawing cards as part of an action or attack, when this card appears on the top of your deck, place it in your hand. This does not count as a draw. You may shuffle this card anywhere into your deck.

Cost: 4
Name a card other than "Province" or "Colony". Gain that card and put it in your hand.  Reveal your hand, and trash all cards of that name in your hand and in play.

+1 card. +1 action. Gain a card from the supply pile with "Racket" on top of it.

Cost: 7
While this card is on top of a supply pile, when you are instructed to gain a card from this supply pile other than by playing "Racket", gain a curse instead. When you buy this card, move it to any kingdom's supply pile. If you move it from the Racketeer supply pile, gain a racketeer and put it on top of your deck. Setup: Place this on top of the racketeer supply pile.

Cost: 5
+1 Coin, +1 Card
When this card is in the supply, when you buy a curse, gain a Relic and a Silver. If you gain a Relic any other way, gain a Gold and a Curse.

Cost: 4
 +1 card, +1 action +1 buy. Reveal the top card of the sale deck.  You may either, buy a copy of it for 2 less than its price during the buy phase, or trash a card of value at least 2 less than it to gain a copy of it it. During the clean up phase, shuffle the sale deck. Setup: Create a sale deck from the randomiser cards of the kingdom cards in the supply.

Cost: 4
+2 Actions
+1 Card
Trash a card from your hand
If there is a card of cost 6 or higher in the trash pile, +1 coin, +1 buy
When you trash cards as the result of an action, you may reveal this card from your hand. If you do, +1 card. You may only do this once per action.

Cost: 5
Each other player gains a curse
Worth 1 VP for every 2 curses (rounded down) in the deck of the player with the most curses in it

Cost: 4
You may move the Foundation card to the bottom of any kingdom card's supply pile.

Worth 1 VP for every 2 cards in the supply pile with "Foundation" in it (rounded up).

If it's your turn: If this card is on top of a supply pile, immediately move it to the bottom of a kingdom's supply pile of your choice. Setup: Place this card at the bottom of the "tower" supply pile

Cost: 4
Value: 2
When you play this, gain a copper in hand, then set aside at least one treasure from your hand.
You may trash this card from your hand at any time.
When this card is trashed, place all the set aside treasures in your hand.

White Elephant
Cost: 4
+2 VP Chips. If you this card is in your hand during the clean up phase, trash it instead, and gain a curse.

Cost: 4
You must reveal your hand at the beginning of your cleanup phase. You may Trash this rule if all 10 White Elephants are in the trash pile.

When you gain this, gain a White Elephant, and you must immediately place this card in play
Setup: Place this card on top of the White Elephant deck

Also, 3 special cards that retrofit to existing piles as variants

Cost: 0
Estates have a cost of 0 during the buy phase
Trash this rule when a player gains any victory card other than "Duchy", whether it is in play or not.
When you gain this, gain an Estate and play this card immediately

Setup: Place this card on top of the Estate supply pile.

Cost: 0
Worth -3 VP
+1 action. Gain a curse in hand, then trash this card. When this card is trashed, place it on top of the "Curse" supply pile. Setup: Place this card on top of the Curse supply pile

Rare Coin:
Cost: 0
Worth 1 coin
When you play this card, you may gain a copper. Then, trash this card. When this card is trashed, place it on top of the "Copper" supply pile. Coin Setup: Place this card on top of the "Copper" supply pile

More Clarifications:
*Cards with unique blue cards can't appear in the black market or sale deck (so it's a bit ironic that Salesman is in this expansion).
*Lifeline has no special text or symbols on the back of its randomiser card. If you use randomiser cards for "black market" for convenience, you should still gain a regular copy of the lifeline card if you buy it.
*The immediate buy for "Tactic" works exactly the same as the buy in "Black Market". You may play as many treasures as you want and there's no obligation to buy anything. In fact, its name is a nod to its combination with Tactician.
*The wording of Scrapyard is such that if you trash multiple cards using the same action (eg Chapel, Steward, Remake), you still only draw a single card. However if you play 2 Remodels or Feasts (for example), you can draw a card for each Remodel you play by revealing Scrapyard.

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