Let's see if I can make a case...
I think redirectors should stop claiming as we’re making it really easy for scum to find our remaining non-redirector roles by POE.
Throwaway line, "hey everyone stop claiming because I don't want to claim". Null, but it's weird that he said nothing else until a day had passed.
This is extremely confusing.
My usual go-to is to believe investigative role claims and then lynch them the next day I’d they’re lying. BUT what’s scummy about raerae’s claim of a result on caucus is she left herself an out - “unless someone redirected cayvie” but claims that’s the *only* out, which, given that we know the game is full of redirectors, seems like a tough pill to swallow.
That being said, it seems to me that all of the normal investigative roles would be basically useless in this setup, so it would make sense for mail-mi to give us some kind of cop or watcher that cuts through all the redirection.
All that being said, I think scum raerae would claim here. I know it’s widow, but I think the best bet for now is:
Vote: cayvie
Confused, sure, aren't we all. Then distrusts raerae's claim because it leads her an out (not really?). Immediately after gives her a possible claim, out of the blue with nothing saying this, votes cayvie for thinking scum raerae would claim...which sounds naive. I think raerae plays the stubborn game for fun, and she would do it regardless of alignment. Seems jumpy to come to conclusions and to justify their vote.
Raerae could be a modified watcher who sees the final target rather than the initial target. That would make some sense in a game full of redirectors. I guess if that’s true then it’s still possible cayvie is town and her redirect was redirected to Galzria.
Straight up gives her a claim. Why? Raerae could be a lot of different things, and theorizing about what she is is scum's objective, town just wants the full claim or nothing, not this.
Any information I could add at this point would help scum much more than it would help town.
Easiest post ever, but it's not wrong. Null.
Okay, cayvie. I'm convinced. Your scenario seems more likely.
vote: raerae
"I'm convinced", that easy, instantly moves votes. No explanation of anything. I went through the same, but I was trying to explore it from every scenario, Glooble just takes cayvie's explanation and runs with it onto another wagon.
What tale am I weaving? cayvie has made ALL the speculation, I just said she killed Galz. Why is that unbelievable? And we've already talked about how we should stop making claims and giving scum targets so is so crazy that I took that advice? What am I actually being lynched for right now? Can anybody answer that?
It's hard to come up with a role that would allow you to know that with any certyainty given the nature of the game as it has been revealed to us so far. You've refused to claim your role, which would allow us to understand how you are able to know what you claim to know. You left yourself a very specific out for if cayvie flips town (oops, guess the scum redirector targeted her), which is a scummy thing to do when claiming an investigative role.
"It's hard to come up with a role that would let you claim what you did except I just did a while back". This makes sense from anyone else except Glooble who has given a specific example that works. Still talking about an out, even thought everyone has that out ("I was redirected!") if they say nothing. A specific out is definitely less scummy than a general out.
So here's the thing. Our doctor is dead, yes. But with 4+ redirectors running around, there's absolutely no guarantee scum will kill who they want to kill. So it's not like raerae dies 100% if she claims.
He's right, but also a way to make raerae not be targetted by redirectors. Could be partners, although given his last vote was on raerae I doubt it right now.
There's totally a reason to do that if you're scum. It got a bunch more redirectors to claim. It earns you town cred. It lets you obfuscate night action conversations.
There's a reason to do it as scum, but it doesn't really earn town cred. And it doesn't really change night action conversations much, remember that at this point scum didn't know there were more redirectors. A single redirector claim would look scummy and most likely forces them to claim their targets before anyone else claims. You can argue that scum might know there's a redirector based on the flip, but it doesn't look like the Galzria kill was redirected based on all of the claims so far. This is sorta null, but I don't think Glooble's right here.
I disagree. That would be a reason to tag on, but not to initiate. Initiating the discussion has led to a fruitful day of conversation, as opposed to the nothingburger days that scum enjoys.
It's lead to a ton of claims. That's a great outcome for scum.
The only extra claim was Joseph, raerae and cayvie would've done this anyway. You can count the non-redirector claims as claims too, but as I said before, scum might've not known that there were more redirectors.
Assuming scum wants to lynch someone more powerful than a redirector, they now have a much higher chance of guessing who that is. It's like a VT claim in a regular game.
And saying lynch here instead of NK is null: both town and scum are thinking about today's lynch, town because that's how they kill and scum because that's how they kill this day.
That's my case, some scummy things, some null things...nothing truly towny. I'm going to bed, I should look at day 1 again tomorrow.