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Miscellaneous => Forum Games => Mafia Game Threads => Topic started by: iguanaiguana on December 02, 2015, 04:02:08 pm
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Welcome to M73: Forest Fire Mafia by Iguana Iguana.
This game is for 9 players, and is classified as normal. It is an award winning micro-setup from from the mafiascum wiki; more can be read about the setup here (http://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Forest_Fire)
Co-Mod: EgorK
Sign ups are open.
1. silverspawn
2. roadrunner4741
3. Yuma
4. Gkrieg13
5. Joseph2302
6. Hydrad
7. Awaclus
8. Ashersky
9. Eevee
Game State Tracker:
The Rules:
(Pay special attention to changes to the standard rules at #11 & #12)
The Golden Rule:
This is a game. Everyone who signs up to play must be considerate of each other, never get personal, and focus on having fun. Once the game starts, having signed up is a commitment: inactivity is just as inconsiderate as rude comments.
The Standard Rules:
1. No communication between players outside of the game thread or shared QTs at any time. This includes passing references, jokes, or cases in other games or threads, whether in context or not.
2. If the game thread is locked, do not post. If you are unsure if something is locked, ask the mod by PM.
3. Direct or verbatim quoting of mod-provided information is strictly forbidden. Paraphrasing is okay.
4. Actions with instructions that do not specify a game state will be resolved in the order they are received.
5. All night actions must be submitted within 24 hours of day ending.
6. Players must post once every 24 hours.
7. Do not edit or delete posts, ever. If you need to clarify or correct something, post again.
8. Invisible text, font size less than 10, and spoiler tags are not allowed.
9. Cryptography is not allowed.
10. The time between a lynch being reached and a flip being provided is called twilight. All players may continue posting during this time, including the lynched player.
11. Players who are given the role "Tree" (equivalent to Vanilla Townie) will be tree stumped after a lynch. This means that after they are lynched, they will still be allowed to post in the thread. However, from that point on, they will count as a dead member of their faction, will be unable to vote, and will no longer have a posting requirement. After being lynched, trees can still be destroyed by arsonists, which will remove their ability to participate in the game. Tree stumps will not be given access to the speccy.
12. All other players who die after a lynch (and all players including trees who die after a night kill) will not be tree stumped. Dead players may not post in the thread or any QT, except their Role QT. A lynched player is not "dead" until a flip has been provided.
13. Personal multimedia, such as video or audio recordings, are not allowed in the game thread.
The Voting Rules:
1. Votes should be in this format: Vote: Playername. Unambigiuous nicknames are acceptable.
2. Unvotes should be in this format: unvote or Unvote: Playername.
3. Unvotes are not required if changing your vote from one player to another.
4. You may vote: no lynch.
5. Lynches occur when a simple majority (rounded up) of living players is reached. Once reached, a lynch cannot be undone.
The Rest:
1. Bold, teal text is reserved for the Mod. Players may not use it.
2. If you have an issue or problem with the game, please PM the Mod. Do not post complaints in the game thread.
3. Mods make mistakes - please point them out gently. If they can be corrected, they will. If irreversible, they will stand as final to be commiserated over after the game.
4. If a mod error disadvantages one faction greatly, the game may be called off.
5. Ask all questions and make all requests directly to the Mod via PM. Questions deemed as "universal" (defined as questions for which the answers should be available to all players) will be requested to be re-posted in the Game Thread and answered there.
6. One prod will be issued after 48 hours without posting in the game thread. Players are subject to replacement or modkill after one prod.
7. All rule violations will be dealt with according to their severity, as determined by the mod.
Deadlines:
1. Days will last six IRL days.
2. Nights will last ~24 hours. (Players will be given 24 hours to submit night actions, then the next day will begin immediately; short nights are due to the simplicity of the setup.)
3. Saturday/Sunday will count as one day for the purposes of this game.
For information about the setup, please go to the Mafiascum wiki page for this setup. (http://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Forest_Fire) The setup will run exactly as outlined on the mafiascum wiki page. The only additional information I will add is flavor.
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Sample Role PMs
Arsonist
Welcome to M73: Forest Fire!
You hate nature, and trees, and things that are green. The sight of the forest outside of your home fills you with disgust. In fact, if the whole thing went up in smoke and flames you wouldn't be bothered one bit. Actually....that kind of sounds like a good idea...
You are an Arsonist, along with your partner [Player Name]. You may post in the thread and vote as you see fit. Your additional abilities are listed below.
Abilities
Factional Communication: During the night phase you may talk with your partner.
Factional Pyrotechnics: Each night phase either you or your partner may take one and only one of the the following actions:
Prime a target for ignition by dousing them with gasoline.
Ignite all previously primed targets by lighting them on fire and thus killing them.
Win Condition
You win when only Arsonist aligned players are left alive, or nothing can prevent this from occurring.
Tree
Welcome to M73: Forest Fire!
Your leaves are green, your roots are long, and the creatures of the forest marvel at your very sight. Your life is simple, and quite frankly, that's exactly how you like it. Kind of makes you wonder though...how long will things stay that way?
You are a Tree, and aligned with the Forest. You may post in the thread and vote as you see fit. Your additional abilities are listed below.
Abilities
Stumped: Upon being lynched you become Tree-stumped. This means you will still be allowed to post in the thread, but you will not have a vote. Being killed in any other way overrides this ability, and will cause you to be removed from the game.
Win Condition
You win when only Forest aligned players are left alive.
Firefighter
Welcome to M73: Forest Fire!
You love nature, and trees, and things that are green. The sight of the forest outside of your home fills you with joy. In fact, if the whole thing went up in smoke and flames you might just consider suicide. Dang, you better keep your eyes open...never know what might happen...
You are a Firefighter, and aligned with the Forest. You may post in the thread and vote as you see fit. Your additional abilities are listed below.
Abilities
Fire Prevention: Each night phase you may choose one player other than yourself to douse with water. The doused player will be immune to being primed for ignition during that night phase.
Win Condition
You win when only Forest aligned players are left alive.
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/in
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/in for Iguanaiguana
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Maaaaan I really want to play...but I'll /tag for now.
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I am very likely not to be able to stay active, so /tag for now. Depending on how my workload works out, I'd be willing to be a co-mod (although I can't write good flavor, I can do vote counts, flips, night actions).
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Added sample role PMs. There was originally a mistake in the main thread rules. Trees are only tree stumped after a lynch, not after a night kill (night kills remove players from the game). Also, if a tree stump is for any reason primed for ignition (or already has been) and set on fire, the tree stump will be removed from the game.
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/in
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/in
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/In
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/in
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11. Players who are given the role "Tree" (equivalent to Vanilla Townie) will be Tree stumped after a lynch. This means that after they are lynched, they will still be allowed to post in the thread. However, from that point on, they will count as a dead member of their faction, not as a living one, and they will no longer have a posting requirement. After being lynched, they can still be destroyed by arsonists, which will remove their ability to participate in the game. Tree stumps will not be given access to the speccy.
I think this section needs a bit about how tree stumps are not allowed to vote. It mentions this in the PMs below, but not here.
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11. Players who are given the role "Tree" (equivalent to Vanilla Townie) will be Tree stumped after a lynch. This means that after they are lynched, they will still be allowed to post in the thread. However, from that point on, they will count as a dead member of their faction, not as a living one, and they will no longer have a posting requirement. After being lynched, they can still be destroyed by arsonists, which will remove their ability to participate in the game. Tree stumps will not be given access to the speccy.
I think this section needs a bit about how tree stumps are not allowed to vote. It mentions this in the PMs below, but not here.
Fixed.
Just need tree more! Lurkers welcome!
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/in
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I don't know if I have time, but I really want to play just for the lovely theory talk that I anticipate in this game.
/tag for now
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I can co-mod
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/in
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/tag
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hammer time?
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Rule question-the Firefighter cannot be impacted by arsonists and instead dies after all the trees die, correct?
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Rule question-the Firefighter cannot be impacted by arsonists and instead dies after all the trees die, correct?
No. He may be primed and ignited
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/tag
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/tag
Obviously an arsonist
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/in
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Just need tree more!
I see what you did there.
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/tag
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There are at least 5 people who spelled /in wrong so far. Unfortunately there is only one spot open, so you want to correct your misspellings ASAP.
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/in
Eevee spelled it right!
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.......or you know Eevee is in and this game is starting now.
Uh, cool.
Thread Locked!
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Thread still locked!
Role PMs are sent! The game begins when all players have confirmed!
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To clarify: The game will begin at N0 once I receive confirms. D1 will begin 24 hours after N0.
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All roles are confirmed. N0 begins now. D1 will begin in ~24 hours.
Someone please message me about how to move this into mafia game threads.
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Also, N0 flavor:
Twas a dark and stormy night, and nine old friends were sleeping peacefully together. Treestopher, Treeboi, Treehugged, Treevee, Treemail, Treebeer, Treeofakind, Treeson, and Treebob had already experienced long, photosynthesized lives together in the forest and had never worried themselves with the affairs of humans. “Who would bother us?” they wondered, “except perhaps the odd flying squirrel here and there.” Little did they know that dark clouds were coming fast upon them. Dark clouds… of smoke and ash!
Suddenly, a great lightning bolt shot down right into the center of the circle of nine trees. It awoke everyone, and illuminated for a moment two shadowy figures lurking in the shadows just beyond their grove. “What evil is this?” they wondered. What terrible force lurks in the dark aiming to forever destroy our home?
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/tag
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The storm raged through the night, but even over the sounds of wind and thunder the trees could hear a third horrible noise, like that of a chainsaw. And as day broke, each tree eyed the other warily. It was dawning, and it was also dawning on them that something about their group was not the same as it was the night before.
Treeson, son of their great leader Tree the Elder, spoke up first. “Friends, countrytrees,” he said, “I fear that we have been infiltrated during the night. All of us appear the same, yes, but nevertheless I cannot help but conclude that two of our kind have already passed, murdered in secret at the hands of humans. What they plan to do to the rest of us in nights to come, I tremble even to consider.”
Treestopher glared at treeson and shot back with venom. “And how can you be so sure about this? Unless you yourself are among the ranks of the converted!”
All at once, the nine trees began to shout at each other. Treeboi accused Treebeer of having dead looking limbs. Treebob pointed a branch toward Treehugged, too choked with emotion to even say a word to his former friend and compatreeot. Treemail began to shout at Treevee, then appealed to Treeofakind for his agreement that Treevee was no longer truly with them. But Treeofakind could not even look Treemail in the eyes.
“Silence!” shouted Treeson suddenly. “Enough! There is only one thing we can do. We must call on the humans to cut us down, one after another. Only then can we expose the evil that is lurking within some of us to the light of day. We will decide by a vote.” A single tear, in the form of sap, slowly rolled down Treeson’s trunk. “My only hope is that by the end of this horrible experiment some of us are still alive.”
Thread unlocked!
Day one begins now and ends on December 12 at ~11AM forum time.
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First
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vote: eevee
He just seems like a tree hater
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Treeson, son of their great leader Tree the Elder, spoke up first.
First
gkrieg confirmed Treeson
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I found the scum team already
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I found the scum team already
Cool! Who's your partner?
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Oh right, it's silverspawn. I almost forgot since there was no vote count at the start.
Vote: silverspawn
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Or because you two are partners!
That's my theory at least for now. Vote: awaclus
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Or because you two are partners!
That's my theory at least for now. Vote: awaclus
So you think I'm faking that I forgot about silverspawn being scum?
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Hello everyone!
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vote: Roadrunner
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vote: Roadrunner
🤔
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Mod, please change the subject of the thread to reflect Day 1.
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For the trees!
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“Silence!” shouted Treeson suddenly. “Enough! There is only one thing we can do. We must call on the humans to cut us down, one after another. Only then can we expose the evil that is lurking within some of us to the light of day. We will decide by a vote.” A single tear, in the form of sap, slowly rolled down Treeson’s trunk. “My only hope is that by the end of this horrible experiment some of us are still alive.”
I, uh, wow. We are doing this voluntarily?
So - is Treeson is one of the players, isn't he? What do you guys think about a flavor claim?
Not necessarily everyone, just whoever Treeson is.
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I'm fairly certain flavor names don't matter -- there are nine of them and nine of us and two were replaced by humans inside.
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vote: silverspawn
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Hello friends! I won't have time to participate until tomorrow, going to a concert tonight (scandinavian music group, for awaclus's information).
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there are nine of them and nine of us and two were replaced by humans inside.
sure, but that doesn't mean that they don't matter.
personally, I don't like randomizing flavor names unless I specify so in the setup.
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Hello friends! I won't have time to participate until tomorrow, going to a concert tonight (scandinavian music group, for awaclus's information).
collective buddying! vote: Eevee
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(scandinavian music group, for awaclus's information).
Oh hey, they're pretty cool. Hf!
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woo lets go and cut ourselves down...
I volunteer to oversee the cutting so your not allowed to lynch me.
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woo lets go and cut ourselves down...
I volunteer to oversee the cutting so your not allowed to lynch me.
Clearly an arson
vote: Hydrad
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woo lets go and cut ourselves down...
I volunteer to oversee the cutting so your not allowed to lynch me.
Clearly an arson
vote: Hydrad
I won't lie. I do enjoy a good fire as its really warm.
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woo lets go and cut ourselves down...
I volunteer to oversee the cutting so your not allowed to lynch me.
Clearly an arson
vote: Hydrad
I won't lie. I do enjoy a good fire as its really warm.
fire is evil. vote: Hydrad
why does everyone skip over my question? that's actually scummy.
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what question?
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So - Treeson is one of the players, isn't he? What do you guys think about a flavor claim?
Not necessarily everyone, just whoever Treeson is.
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Looks like flavor to me... So don't see the point...
But if we are going to take flavor seriously then we should probably take a look at this:
Also, N0 flavor:
Dark clouds… of smoke and ash!
Now we just need to figure out who smoke is...
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Looks like flavor to me... So don't see the point...
flavor is relevant?
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Vote: Eevee
He's new and scary
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Looks like flavor to me... So don't see the point...
flavor is relevant?
Is it? Where are you getting that from?
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Vote: Eevee
He's new and scary
He is old. He is as old as me. We both played our first game, as scummates in fact, in M3 way back in 2012.
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Vote: Eevee
He's new and scary
He is old. He is as old as me. We both played our first game, as scummates in fact, in M3 way back in 2012.
When I say new, I mean new to me.
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Vote Count 1.0:
Hydrad (2): Gkrieg, silverspawn
silverspawn (2): Awaclus, Ashersky
Awaclus (1): Yuma
Eevee (1): Roadrunner
Not Voting (3): Joseph2302, Hydrad, Eevee
With 9 alive, it takes 5 to lynch.
Day 1 ends on December 12 at 11:00 a.m. forum time.
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Looks like flavor to me... So don't see the point...
flavor is relevant?
Is it? Where are you getting that from?
I am m pretty sure flavor is indicative of alignment unless the mod says otherwise.
and even if it's not necessarily true, it's still potentially relevant. Why does no-one care about something that could be useful for us? I thought people were usually eager to get out of RVS.
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Based on the flavor, which flavor names are scum?
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Based on the flavor, which flavor names are scum?
good question. If I knew the answer, the game would be solved.
but I think the claimed guy, whoever he was, is less likely to be scum than everyone else.
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Basically I look at it as the opposite. Flavor should only be revelation if the mod specifically says so. Otherwise I signed up for a game I otherwise probably wouldn't have. Flavor shouldn't be an inherent part of a mafia game in an open setup unless specifically designed that way.
I would need mod clarification before I take anything flavor seriously... And even then I would question that modding decision.
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Basically I look at it as the opposite. Flavor should only be revelation if the mod specifically says so. Otherwise I signed up for a game I otherwise probably wouldn't have. Flavor shouldn't be an inherent part of a mafia game in an open setup unless specifically designed that way.
hey, we don't disagree.
I don't think flavor should be a part of an open setup. As in, people who know it should be advantaged, or there should be a way to figure out scum based on looking at flavor. I think that shouldn't be possible.
What I do think is that flavor names are probably indicative of alignment, and that whether or not Treeson is scum has probably not been randomized. I think this because I've been in a similar position when I modded, uhm, one of my games. I more or less concluded 'Okay, I don't want to make Twilight scum, but I could have done it, so even if people flavor claim it's not that bad, and the most likely thing is that it won't come up anyway.' And so I made her town.
or maybe igu has randomized it. But where is the drawback? I don't see how flavor claiming can hurt us, and I'd give a few town points to whoever Treeson is.
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Twilight is a real character, yes? one that existed prior to this game?
These characters all look made up. I doubt that one was particularily "good" when iguana made it. This whole discussion just seems weird. I don't know what the point is.
Treeson or whomever can claim. I won't give any credit either way for any of it.
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I don't know what the point is.
The point is that I think Treeson's alignment may not be random and I like using evidence if it's there, even if it's not particularly strong. I for one don't get why that's so hard to understand.
And yeah, I didn't invent Twilight...
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I guess it isn't that hard to understand. I just don't really feel like giving town credit to someone who may or may not deserve said town credit and the only way that they would deserve it is if flavor is important, of which we have no evidence, but speculation based off how you have previously modded. So have the person claim away. Give them credit if that makes you feel better.
I won't and I don't think others should either. I'll wait and give credit when someone actually does something townie within the game.
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This game is interesting. People won't die for a little while, until the arsonists light everyone on fire. So we're going to want to be extra careful with who we lynch. If we mislynch someone who is town and they haven't been covered in gas yet, that's just worse.
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Vote: RR, per my usual starting reason - he was scum last time.
I'll contribute properly later today (Sunday).
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the weirdest part about this game is we will not be able to tell how close to lylo we are. and even scum won't fully know.
I'm excited to see how it goes.
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also on the whole treeson claiming thing I think I'm slightly with ss on this one. but only to the point that I would give treeson like 2% town cred for it. So for me I guess it would almost do nothing for me reads unless I somehow see 2 people equally as likely as scum.
So overall it doesn't matter one way or the other to me!
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This game is interesting. People won't die for a little while, until the arsonists light everyone on fire. So we're going to want to be extra careful with who we lynch. If we mislynch someone who is town and they haven't been covered in gas yet, that's just worse.
Okey, so. I think what that means is that lynching strong town players is better than it'd normally be, since now the drawback is smaller.
Even the fact that they might be (insert word for what you do before you ignite here) makes it a bit better. Any overlap between lynches and scum targeting is good.
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This game is interesting. People won't die for a little while, until the arsonists light everyone on fire. So we're going to want to be extra careful with who we lynch. If we mislynch someone who is town and they haven't been covered in gas yet, that's just worse.
Okey, so. I think what that means is that lynching strong town players is better than it'd normally be, since now the drawback is smaller.
Even the fact that they might be (insert word for what you do before you ignite here) makes it a bit better. Any overlap between lynches and scum targeting is good.
I agree with this. Lets lynch every good player here! (bwahahaha and then I can be one of the last alive. Genius!)
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This game is interesting. People won't die for a little while, until the arsonists light everyone on fire. So we're going to want to be extra careful with who we lynch. If we mislynch someone who is town and they haven't been covered in gas yet, that's just worse.
Okey, so. I think what that means is that lynching strong town players is better than it'd normally be, since now the drawback is smaller.
Even the fact that they might be (insert word for what you do before you ignite here) makes it a bit better. Any overlap between lynches and scum targeting is good.
I'm down with that. That would make me the last one standing!
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The problem with the Treeson claiming is that the firefighter is probably a human, and a human is probably not a Treeson, so claiming Treeson is essentially claiming VT, which is bad.
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I don't think flavor is important, mainly because we could easily flavor claim and figure out scum. I understand the merit of lynching strong town players, but really we should just lynch scummy players. I don't think there is a reason to not lynch someone if they are scummy just because they are a strong or weak town player.
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I don't think flavor is important, mainly because we could easily flavor claim and figure out scum. I understand the merit of lynching strong town players, but really we should just lynch scummy players. I don't think there is a reason to not lynch someone if they are scummy just because they are a strong or weak town player.
I think scum will have fake claims. Its just silver is saying iguana probably didn't give scum treeson as a fake claim so hes more likely to be town.
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Vote: Eevee
He's new and scary
He is old. He is as old as me. We both played our first game, as scummates in fact, in M3 way back in 2012.
And based on that performance, might as well let me and yuma live because if we were scum, we'd surely expose us before too late, however well it was going. So nice to see you back, yuma!
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The problem with the Treeson claiming is that the firefighter is probably a human, and a human is probably not a Treeson, so claiming Treeson is essentially claiming VT, which is bad.
Agree with this. Would immediately stop with all this flavor talk, seems very counterproductive. No upside/VT claim downside, bad bad.
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vote: eevee
He just seems like a tree hater
And this is so wrong! I'm a certified tree lover.
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woo lets go and cut ourselves down...
I volunteer to oversee the cutting so your not allowed to lynch me.
Clearly an arson
vote: Hydrad
I won't lie. I do enjoy a good fire as its really warm.
fire is evil. vote: Hydrad
why does everyone skip over my question? that's actually scummy.
Vote: silverspawn for rolefishing. Scummy scumster all aboard the wagon!
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The problem with the Treeson claiming is that the firefighter is probably a human, and a human is probably not a Treeson, so claiming Treeson is essentially claiming VT, which is bad.
Agree with this. Would immediately stop with all this flavor talk, seems very counterproductive. No upside/VT claim downside, bad bad.
I agree also, seems likely that if flavour actually matters, then probably Treeson=VT.
So nothing to gain by getting a claimed VT.
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If anyone claims Treeson, or any other flavor name, I will counterclaim that person.
Do you really want that?
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If anyone claims Treeson, or any other flavor name, I will counterclaim that person.
Do you really want that?
I claim that my flavour name is Kim Jung-Un[/b]. Want to counterclaim that?
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If anyone claims Treeson, or any other flavor name, I will counterclaim that person.
Do you really want that?
I claim that my flavour name is Kim Jung-Un. Want to counterclaim that?
(Fixed formatting)
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vote: Joseph
He's lying, that's my flavor name.
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vote: Joseph
He's lying, that's my flavor name.
Vote: ash for fakeclaiming.
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vote: Joseph
He's lying, that's my flavor name.
Vote: ash for fakeclaiming.
Well, it's 1 vs. 1, so lynch one, then if one flips town, lynch the other. Fair enough trade to me. Stupid move by scum!Joseph, though.
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vote: Joseph
He's lying, that's my flavor name.
Vote: ash for fakeclaiming.
Well, it's 1 vs. 1, so lynch one, then if one flips town, lynch the other. Fair enough trade to me. Stupid move by scum!Joseph, though.
Glad we got out of RVS and flavour talk.
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Just need to Lynch you and we are good to go.
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Just need to Lynch you and we are good to go.
Nah, lynch you, lynch your scum buddy, win. Simples.
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woo lets go and cut ourselves down...
I volunteer to oversee the cutting so your not allowed to lynch me.
Clearly an arson
vote: Hydrad
I won't lie. I do enjoy a good fire as its really warm.
fire is evil. vote: Hydrad
why does everyone skip over my question? that's actually scummy.
Vote: silverspawn for rolefishing. Scummy scumster all aboard the wagon!
right. have you ever seen, in your entire career of mafia, a scum trying to rolefish?
though I can see the claim VT thing as a counter argument. Had not thought of that.
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But now we went back to RVS. I see you accomplished your goal.
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Just need to Lynch you and we are good to go.
Nah, lynch you, lynch your scum buddy, win. Simples.
Doesn't work. We can lynch me first, then when I flip town you are caught scum. So it's still fine, just delays the inevitable. That's how 1 vs. 1 counterclaim situations work.
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woo lets go and cut ourselves down...
I volunteer to oversee the cutting so your not allowed to lynch me.
Clearly an arson
vote: Hydrad
I won't lie. I do enjoy a good fire as its really warm.
fire is evil. vote: Hydrad
why does everyone skip over my question? that's actually scummy.
Vote: silverspawn for rolefishing. Scummy scumster all aboard the wagon!
right. have you ever seen, in your entire career of mafia, a scum trying to rolefish?
though I can see the claim VT thing as a counter argument. Had not thought of that.
Exactly what a scum would say!
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Exactly what a scum would say!
vote: Eeevee
have you ever seen scum rolefish or not?
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if it was someone else, I'm not sure if it'd be scummy, but I think you should be experienced enough to know that rolefishing is not something scum does. ever. the fact that you're using it as an argument is probably the scummiest thing that's happened this game.
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Exactly what a scum would say!
this is probably true. if you make a nonsensical case, both town and scum will point out that it's a nonsensical case.
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if it was someone else, I'm not sure if it'd be scummy, but I think you should be experienced enough to know that rolefishing is not something scum does. ever. the fact that you're using it as an argument is probably the scummiest thing that's happened this game.
If you're also experienced enough to know that, then you could be scum rolefishing for the town cred.
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if it was someone else, I'm not sure if it'd be scummy, but I think you should be experienced enough to know that rolefishing is not something scum does. ever. the fact that you're using it as an argument is probably the scummiest thing that's happened this game.
If you're also experienced enough to know that, then you could be scum rolefishing for the town cred.
this is true, but a non-argument. everytime you give someone towncred for anything, it could have been scum trying to get towncred
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Exactly what a scum would say!
vote: Eeevee
have you ever seen scum rolefish or not?
I'm sure I have, but I don't remember any concrete examples. Of course I've seen town do it too.
I see your argument, but I counter with "he did something that benefits scum, it's the best I have right now". It would be a creative rolefish too!
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I don't think he purposefully did that for town cred.
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Exactly what a scum would say!
vote: Eeevee
have you ever seen scum rolefish or not?
I'm sure I have, but I don't remember any concrete examples. Of course I've seen town do it too.
eh... really?
no-one purposefully rolefishes, neither town nor scum. that's why it's such a waste of time to make these arguments.
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If that's the prevalent belief, it seems beneficial for scum to rolefish. I don't want to give free pass to actions beneficial for scum.
Does anyone have an opinion on silverspawn's reaction? Does he always react strongly to (early) suspicion?
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It seems like rolefishing was a thing way back when but stopped being a thing when town players stopped doing it and mafia stopped as well?ndoesnt mean that someone couldn't do it today, but this looks more like inadvertent stuff and I think irrelevant once again
PS: this is exactly why I didn't use any flavor in simple mafia and why I think I won't use flavor ever again in a game I mod.
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At the very least, it helps us to leave RVS.
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If that's the prevalent belief, it seems beneficial for scum to rolefish. I don't want to give free pass to actions beneficial for scum.
Does anyone have an opinion on silverspawn's reaction? Does he always react strongly to (early) suspicion?
it's not about suspicion. I like people to make sense, and when they don't, I point it out.
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Early suspicion is a particularly interesting case study, because it's always based on something small, so it inherently feels unfair to the target.
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Early suspicion is a particularly interesting case study, because it's always based on something small, so it inherently feels unfair to the target.
But it's better to be suspicious of people because of a little thing, rather than be suspicious of people over nothing.
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Early suspicion is a particularly interesting case study, because it's always based on something small, so it inherently feels unfair to the target.
But it's better to be suspicious of people because of a little thing, rather than be suspicious of people over nothing.
I wholeheartedly agree, although in practice the difference might be minuscule, as the reactions from the target and other players create more information to make a decision on than the original "case" ever had.
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Early suspicion is a particularly interesting case study, because it's always based on something small, so it inherently feels unfair to the target.
well, lately every game has an day 1 wagon on me, so you can read up on those if you want to.
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Early suspicion is a particularly interesting case study, because it's always based on something small, so it inherently feels unfair to the target.
well, lately every game has an day 1 wagon on me, so you can read up on those if you want to.
This seems like something I do when scum
vote: ss
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Vote Count 1.1:
silverspawn (3): Awaclus, Eevee, Gkrieg (L-2)
Awaclus (1): Yuma
Eevee (2): Roadrunner, silverspawn
Ashersky (1): Joseph2302
Joseph2302 (1): Ashersky
Not Voting (1): Hydrad
With 9 alive, it takes 5 to lynch.
Day 1 ends on December 12 at 11:00 a.m. forum time.
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Putting SS at L-1 seems like a good idea, right guys?
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Vote: Roadrunner
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Vote: Roadrunner
RVS is fun.
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Vote: Roadrunner
RVS is fun.
That was not a random vote.
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Vote: Roadrunner
RVS is fun.
That was not a random vote.
That was not a serious comment.
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vote: silverspawn
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Early suspicion is a particularly interesting case study, because it's always based on something small, so it inherently feels unfair to the target.
well, lately every game has an day 1 wagon on me, so you can read up on those if you want to.
This seems like something I do when scum
vote: ss
what is this?
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Early suspicion is a particularly interesting case study, because it's always based on something small, so it inherently feels unfair to the target.
well, lately every game has an day 1 wagon on me, so you can read up on those if you want to.
This seems like something I do when scum
vote: ss
what is this?
I think the best way to describe it is "You guys are wrong because this happens to me every time". I have only thought to make this argument once, and it was when I was scum.
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I think it's somewhat interesting that silverspawn hasn't once said that he is town (unless I'm remembering wrong). I don't claim to be an expert in analyzing rhetorics, but that feels slightly scummy to me.
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Someone hammer. It'll be fun.
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Someone hammer. It'll be fun.
Awaclus unvoted, he's at L-2.
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I think it's somewhat interesting that silverspawn hasn't once said that he is town (unless I'm remembering wrong). I don't claim to be an expert in analyzing rhetorics, but that feels slightly scummy to me.
I'm a tree.
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I think it's somewhat interesting that silverspawn hasn't once said that he is town (unless I'm remembering wrong). I don't claim to be an expert in analyzing rhetorics, but that feels slightly scummy to me.
vote: eevee
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Early suspicion is a particularly interesting case study, because it's always based on something small, so it inherently feels unfair to the target.
well, lately every game has an day 1 wagon on me, so you can read up on those if you want to.
This seems like something I do when scum
vote: ss
what is this?
I think the best way to describe it is "You guys are wrong because this happens to me every time". I have only thought to make this argument once, and it was when I was scum.
If faust was here, he would talk some sense into you.
I partially agree that that would be scummy, but it's not what I did. I only said 'there has been a wagon in every day 1 on me recently' without saying 'and I was town every time, so you are doing it wrong'. So, if you apply this criteria, you should reach the opposite conclusion.
I don't really dislike this wagon, because the way it goes recently is usually that the wagon ends up with people realizing that I'm town and then we lynch scum, and it's prob going to be the same this time.
what I do dislike is that none of you seems interested in catching scum this game. Not because of this wagon, but in general.
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I think it's somewhat interesting that silverspawn hasn't once said that he is town (unless I'm remembering wrong). I don't claim to be an expert in analyzing rhetorics, but that feels slightly scummy to me.
vote: eevee
really? I think that's an okay reason. What he said previously was scummier.
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I think it's somewhat interesting that silverspawn hasn't once said that he is town (unless I'm remembering wrong). I don't claim to be an expert in analyzing rhetorics, but that feels slightly scummy to me.
I'm a tree.
ah, but for the sake of the argument
and even if it's not necessarily true, it's still potentially relevant. Why does no-one care about something that could be useful for us? I thought people were usually eager to get out of RVS.
I sort of said it here.
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it is a problem because it focuses on what was not said instead of what was said.
one is exclusionary and is thus more susceptible to manipulation. the other is limited. there are lots of things people don't say, and it is easy to find that scummy. it is much harder to find things that people have said scummy, if you are scum trying to get someone else lynched.
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it is a problem because it focuses on what was not said instead of what was said.
one is exclusionary and is thus more susceptible to manipulation. the other is limited. there are lots of things people don't say, and it is easy to find that scummy. it is much harder to find things that people have said scummy, if you are scum trying to get someone else lynched.
hey, that makes sense.
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i think i am pretty smart sometimes....
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That said, forget the Eevee case, because the RR case I'm about to make is better.
Putting SS at L-1 seems like a good idea, right guys?
That's trying to appear as though you're not afraid or careful while actually being afraid and careful
Still something town!RR could do but then
Vote: Roadrunner
RVS is fun.
I'm pretty sure town!RR would know that the vote wasn't RVS. town!RR likes to see people suspecting him when he's obv!town. Here he does the opposite.
Vote: Roadrunner
RVS is fun.
That was not a random vote.
That was not a serious comment.
this is more null, mostly playing with words. but the second quote is scumscumscumscumscumscum
vote: RR
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it is a problem because it focuses on what was not said instead of what was said.
one is exclusionary and is thus more susceptible to manipulation. the other is limited. there are lots of things people don't say, and it is easy to find that scummy. it is much harder to find things that people have said scummy, if you are scum trying to get someone else lynched.
Sure, there are lots of things not said, but "I'm town" being included in a defense is a thing that I think is reasonable to expect, it's not like I picked some random thing he didn't say.
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it is a problem because it focuses on what was not said instead of what was said.
one is exclusionary and is thus more susceptible to manipulation. the other is limited. there are lots of things people don't say, and it is easy to find that scummy. it is much harder to find things that people have said scummy, if you are scum trying to get someone else lynched.
Sure, there are lots of things not said, but "I'm town" being included in a defense is a thing that I think is reasonable to expect, it's not like I picked some random thing he didn't say.
your defense just now didn't state that you were town...
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it is a problem because it focuses on what was not said instead of what was said.
one is exclusionary and is thus more susceptible to manipulation. the other is limited. there are lots of things people don't say, and it is easy to find that scummy. it is much harder to find things that people have said scummy, if you are scum trying to get someone else lynched.
Sure, there are lots of things not said, but "I'm town" being included in a defense is a thing that I think is reasonable to expect, it's not like I picked some random thing he didn't say.
Ironically the only time (I think) I have said I was town in a defense was when I was scum.
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Interesting note for future re-reads once we get flips is that yuma is the first to defend silverspawn, quickly followed by silver offering another lynch option.
I wouldn't mind RR getting some heat. His contributions haven't exactly been over the top towny this far. People who've played with him before, does he always have this sort of a chatty style that keeps him seemingly engaged and active without really saying anything at all?
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Interesting note for future re-reads once we get flips is that yuma is the first to defend silverspawn, quickly followed by silver offering another lynch option.
I wouldn't mind RR getting some heat. His contributions haven't exactly been over the top towny this far. People who've played with him before, does he always have this sort of a chatty style that keeps him seemingly engaged and active without really saying anything at all?
yep
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it is a problem because it focuses on what was not said instead of what was said.
one is exclusionary and is thus more susceptible to manipulation. the other is limited. there are lots of things people don't say, and it is easy to find that scummy. it is much harder to find things that people have said scummy, if you are scum trying to get someone else lynched.
Sure, there are lots of things not said, but "I'm town" being included in a defense is a thing that I think is reasonable to expect, it's not like I picked some random thing he didn't say.
your defense just now didn't state that you were town...
One post, not multiples spawning over multiple pages. And I'm not feeling any heat or worry over being lynched, whereas silver is clearly reacting to the suspicion more strongly.
Again, I'm not claiming this is good evidence on someone being scum, although it would be interesting to study over a large sample. I was thinking "how is silver reacting to me pushing this", and it just struck to me as an interesting thing that his defense didn't include him trying to tell me or anyone else that he is town.
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Interesting note for future re-reads once we get flips is that yuma is the first to defend silverspawn, quickly followed by silver offering another lynch option.
I wouldn't mind RR getting some heat. His contributions haven't exactly been over the top towny this far. People who've played with him before, does he always have this sort of a chatty style that keeps him seemingly engaged and active without really saying anything at all?
As gkreig so artfully put it, 'yep.'
But I wouldn't mind some heat, either. If WW was in this game, he'd tell you that anyone who votes for RR is scum.
PPE
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Interesting note for future re-reads once we get flips is that yuma is the first to defend silverspawn, quickly followed by silver offering another lynch option.
yuma just understands me better than you do!
I don't like what you're doing here. this looks like setting up a mislynch.
calling an Eevee - RR - ? scumteam.
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Interesting note for future re-reads once we get flips is that yuma is the first to defend silverspawn, quickly followed by silver offering another lynch option.
yuma just understands me better than you do!
I don't like what you're doing here. this looks like setting up a mislynch.
calling an Eevee - RR - ? scumteam.
Well, I know at least half of that is wrong.
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I'm not drawing any conclusions from it. I'm saying it will be informative once we have some information about the alignments of the people in question.
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Interesting note for future re-reads once we get flips is that yuma is the first to defend silverspawn, quickly followed by silver offering another lynch option.
I also don't like this for a second reason. You are generalizing case = case. You just say 'offering another lynch option' without looking how that 'offering' actually looked like, as if every time town does that it's always identical.
Obviously, I was aware of the fact that making a case while a few people are on my wagon could be seen as opportunistic. But the case is quite good, and RR is probably scum. everyone can make a case if he's under pressure, not everyone can make a good case when he's under pressure.
but that still doesn't make you as scummy as RR.
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Is RR really probably scum to you? If you are town, there are 8 unknowns for you, 2 of them scum. Are you saying your feeling on RR is so strong the initial 25% chance more than doubles based on the read?
Because if so, you should write out the reasoning. I wish I was that convinced of anything at all in the game! We need strong opinions, strong opinions are good.
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Either ss-awa or Yuma-eevee for sure.
Joseph is the third in both cases. Game solved.
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Either ss-awa or Yuma-eevee for sure.
Joseph is the third in both cases. Game solved.
Do you have any theory ideas for the setup?
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Reading through the player list, I think people are playing pretty vanilla this far.
Reads I could offer right now:
silverspawn - the center of action this far, being pushed by multiple people. Suspects RR the most.
yuma - suspects me on account of my posts regarding silverspawn.
RR - suspected by silver, has made a lot of small posts but no real contributions
ash - thinks scum is in the people that have posted more recently.
Others: I have nothing at all. Close to can't remember a single post or opinion - nothing.
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Is RR really probably scum to you? If you are town, there are 8 unknowns for you, 2 of them scum. Are you saying your feeling on RR is so strong the initial 25% chance more than doubles based on the read?
Because if so, you should write out the reasoning. I wish I was that convinced of anything at all in the game! We need strong opinions, strong opinions are good.
well no, I don't think it's quite 50%. I used probably for the sake of the argument.
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but I'm the expert on reading RR, so nvm that, he's probably scum!
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I am not scum, guys! :)
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but I'm the expert on reading RR, so nvm that, he's probably scum!
Iguanaiguana is the expert in reading RR.
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I am not scum, guys! :)
if the smiley had been a sad one, I'd have given you town points for this comment. As is, you get more scum points.
but I'm the expert on reading RR, so nvm that, he's probably scum!
Iguanaiguana is the expert in reading RR.
what? I have 100% accuracy. has igu even finished a game with you in it yet?
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RMM. Iguana was in that game, and he was briefly in Harry Potter Mafia.
And look at how weak his case is! He is saying that I am scum because of my use of emojis! How sad is that?
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but I'm the expert on reading RR, so nvm that, he's probably scum!
Iguanaiguana is the expert in reading RR.
I'm sure he knows your alignment this time as well.
After scanning the player list, I can report that I have absolutely no townreads in this game. Maybe a tentative one on yuma, just because suspecting me was putting himself out there for little benefit in a situation where he in no way needed to. Maybe maybe a really small one on ash for seemingly not trying to appear towny or avoiding conflict, but that's so hard to say.
But yeah, ya'll seem pretty scummy to me.
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RMM. Iguana was in that game, and he was briefly in Harry Potter Mafia.
And look at how weak his case is! He is saying that I am scum because of my use of emojis! How sad is that?
A great man once said anyone who uses them is scum.
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Bite me.
:) ;) :D ;D >:( :( :o 8) ??? ::) :P :-[ :-X :-\ :-* :'(
Looks like I must be scum, guys!
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Do you have any idea who could be town or scum, RR?
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:) ;) :D ;D >:( :( :o 8) ??? ::) :P :-[ :-X :-\ :-* :'(Looks like I must be scum, guys!
I agree
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Do you have any idea who could be town or scum, RR?
Yes. I think I'm town. I think Hydrad is town. I think SS is leaning toward the desperate scum side of things.
But, just like you, I have mostly null reads.
PPE
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:) ;) :D ;D >:( :( :o 8) ??? ::) :P :-[ :-X :-\ :-* :'(Looks like I must be scum, guys!
I agree
Then it's settled. I'll get mislynch on Day One, then I will get stumped. And you guys will be stuck with me...forever!
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Why do you think Hydrad is town? Is Hydrad playing?
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Why do you think Hydrad is town? Is Hydrad playing?
Because he's lurking. Town Hydrad lurks on day one.
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Either ss-awa or Yuma-eevee for sure.
Joseph is the third in both cases. Game solved.
calling an Eevee - RR - ? scumteam.
N0, silver and ash both agreed to construct fake town slips because nobody would ever see through that.
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I forgot about the tree stump mechanic.
General theory point: I think it's going to be useful for us if people stay engaged even after potentially being mislynched. Could be construct some agreed-upon way of keeping dead townies in the decision-making process even when they have no real vote? Technically we could decide to have unofficial vote counts and lynch based on all players's opinion, reducing the percentage of votes scum continue to maximum of 25.
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Either ss-awa or Yuma-eevee for sure.
Joseph is the third in both cases. Game solved.
calling an Eevee - RR - ? scumteam.
N0, silver and ash both agreed to construct fake town slips because nobody would ever see through that.
Nice one.
Yeah I don't know how you can actually think there are 3 scum in a 9 player game.
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I forgot about the tree stump mechanic.
General theory point: I think it's going to be useful for us if people stay engaged even after potentially being mislynched. Could be construct some agreed-upon way of keeping dead townies in the decision-making process even when they have no real vote? Technically we could decide to have unofficial vote counts and lynch based on all players's opinion, reducing the percentage of votes scum continue to maximum of 25.
You forgot about it because you don't get tree stumped because you are an arsonist! Nice scum slip, Eevee.
PPE
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In the flavor, it says there are only two scum.
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N0, silver and ash both agreed to construct fake town slips because nobody would ever see through that.
I noticed that after Eevee did the probability thing.
I don't buy it from ash. I know that he has a specific dislike for small setups. He would not forget it.
Plus, it was after Eevee's post.
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I forgot about the tree stump mechanic.
General theory point: I think it's going to be useful for us if people stay engaged even after potentially being mislynched. Could be construct some agreed-upon way of keeping dead townies in the decision-making process even when they have no real vote? Technically we could decide to have unofficial vote counts and lynch based on all players's opinion, reducing the percentage of votes scum continue to maximum of 25.
You forgot about it because you don't get tree stumped because you are an arsonist! Nice scum slip, Eevee.
that makes no sense at all. If he was aware of the mechanic, then it wouldn't matter if he himself got treestumped. he would be aware of it.
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I forgot about the tree stump mechanic.
General theory point: I think it's going to be useful for us if people stay engaged even after potentially being mislynched. Could be construct some agreed-upon way of keeping dead townies in the decision-making process even when they have no real vote? Technically we could decide to have unofficial vote counts and lynch based on all players's opinion, reducing the percentage of votes scum continue to maximum of 25.
You forgot about it because you don't get tree stumped because you are an arsonist! Nice scum slip, Eevee.
that makes no sense at all. If he was aware of the mechanic, then it wouldn't matter if he himself got treestumped. he would be aware of it.
He would be more aware of it if it affected him.
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of course I was aware of the mechanic all the time, just dawned on me no one had speculated what it means or how we could utilize it yet.
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Interesting note for future re-reads once we get flips is that yuma is the first to defend silverspawn, quickly followed by silver offering another lynch option.
yuma just understands me better than you do!
I don't like what you're doing here. this looks like setting up a mislynch.
calling an Eevee - RR - ? scumteam.
This post is why I had three person teams. I thought it was two before that.
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Interesting note for future re-reads once we get flips is that yuma is the first to defend silverspawn, quickly followed by silver offering another lynch option.
yuma just understands me better than you do!
I don't like what you're doing here. this looks like setting up a mislynch.
calling an Eevee - RR - ? scumteam.
This post is why I had three person teams. I thought it was two before that.
... I think I actually but that.
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woo posting!
and i'm a town read already from RR. thats deserved!
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hmm so eevee vs silver. interesting start.
Vote: eevee
I forget if silver is already at L1 or something still.
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Hmmm....
actually ok. So I'm finding myself agreeing with eevee a bit on the ss case. Not sure exactly why. So I guess I take back my vote as originally it was just to get a competing wagon kinda thing. but now I kinda want to vote ss...
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unvote
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Either ss-awa or Yuma-eevee for sure.
Joseph is the third in both cases. Game solved.
Do you have any theory ideas for the setup?
a lack of setup discussion from ash is very unusual
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:) ;) :D ;D >:( :( :o 8) ??? ::) :P :-[ :-X :-\ :-* :'(Looks like I must be scum, guys!
I agree
the first emoticon wasn't very scummy... this sort of reaction is quite a bit more.
but aside from that one time that I set RR up with a plan I honestly have no idea how to read him.
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I think the first one was more scummy, actually. the reaction is just 'whatever' to me, but the first one was pretending to be happy in face of pressure, instead of admitting sadness. basically the same argument I used before.
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:) ;) :D ;D >:( :( :o 8) ??? ::) :P :-[ :-X :-\ :-* :'(Looks like I must be scum, guys!
I agree
the first emoticon wasn't very scummy... this sort of reaction is quite a bit more.
but aside from that one time that I set RR up with a plan I honestly have no idea how to read him.
When did you set me up with a plan?
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:) ;) :D ;D >:( :( :o 8) ??? ::) :P :-[ :-X :-\ :-* :'(Looks like I must be scum, guys!
I agree
the first emoticon wasn't very scummy... this sort of reaction is quite a bit more.
but aside from that one time that I set RR up with a plan I honestly have no idea how to read him.
When did you set me up with a plan?
Harry Potter where I tunneled you relentlessly to see if you would OMGUS because I theorized that if you were town you would. And when you didn't I felt comfortable reading you as mafia. But that sort of thing only works once...
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Either ss-awa or Yuma-eevee for sure.
Joseph is the third in both cases. Game solved.
Do you have any theory ideas for the setup?
a lack of setup discussion from ash is very unusual
He didn't know how many scum there are. Seems like he hasn't read the setup.
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Why would SS think I should be sad? I had one vote on me at the time.
His case looks really, really weak. Does he even have a case?
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Why would SS think I should be sad? I had one vote on me at the time.
His case looks really, really weak. Does he even have a case?
Yes this case is a nothing case IMO.
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Why would SS think I should be sad? I had one vote on me at the time.
His case looks really, really weak. Does he even have a case?
Yes this case is a nothing case IMO.
That's why I'm the RR expert and not you!
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Why would SS think I should be sad? I had one vote on me at the time.
His case looks really, really weak. Does he even have a case?
Yes this case is a nothing case IMO.
That's why I'm the RR expert and not you!
Then explain the case to us, please.
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Why would SS think I should be sad? I had one vote on me at the time.
His case looks really, really weak. Does he even have a case?
Yes this case is a nothing case IMO.
That's why I'm the RR expert and not you!
I spent all of last game saying RR was scum, and I was right.
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You guys can both be experts. We just want to hear the case on why RR is town (from Joseph) and the case for scum!RR (from SS).
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Vote Count 1.2:
silverspawn (3): Ashersky, Eevee, Gkrieg (L-2)
Eevee (2): Yuma, Roadrunner
Ashersky (1): Joseph2302
Roadrunner (2): Awaclus, silverspawn
Not Voting (1): Hydrad
With 9 alive, it takes 5 to lynch.
Day 1 ends on December 12 at 11:00 a.m. forum time.
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Why would SS think I should be sad? I had one vote on me at the time.
His case looks really, really weak. Does he even have a case?
Yes this case is a nothing case IMO.
That's why I'm the RR expert and not you!
Then explain the case to us, please.
town!you is paranoid and overreacts to pressure in a believable manner. current!you is downplaying the amount of pressure on him. (http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=14331.msg549440#msg549440)
Also "can we put ss on L-1 now?"
It's largely based on 2 posts. Not that hard to understand, I would think.
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There is one vote on me. That's not pressure. And instead of just voting for you, I consulted my fellow players. This RR!case is a joke.
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There is one vote on me. That's not pressure. And instead of just voting for you, I consulted my fellow players. This RR!case is a joke.
it's frustrating to be accurately pinned down by me - again - is it not?
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I'm so good at this game!
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There is one vote on me. That's not pressure. And instead of just voting for you, I consulted my fellow players. This RR!case is a joke.
it's frustrating to be accurately pinned down by me - again - is it not?
What's frustrating is that you're not going to let this go. But you're wrong. It's like Faust in Harry Potter Mafia, except switched around.
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I'm so good at this game!
I'll give you that. You have just made some bad choices this game.
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vote: RR
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vote: RR
Why?
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Okay, I guess we just sheep.
It actually looks like I could possibly get lynched today, I am at L-3. Should I claim at L-2?
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hmm now I want to go RR also... but I like ss. but it can't be a ss RR team right?
which one which one.
lets try Vote: RR
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Vote Count 1.3:
silverspawn (2): Ashersky, Eevee
Eevee (2): Yuma, Roadrunner
Ashersky (1): Joseph2302
Roadrunner (4): Awaclus, silverspawn, Gkrieg, Hydrad (L-1)
Not Voting (0):
With 9 alive, it takes 5 to lynch.
Day 1 ends on December 12 at 11:00 a.m. forum time.
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L-1? Okay, claim time.
I am Treebob the tree.
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You guys are wrong. All wrong! Yet rubbing it in doesn't feel amazing. I don't want to get stumped, I want to live. But here comes someone with a hammer, so I had a good run.
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How about some people Unvote? We still have plenty of time in this day.
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Don't derphammer guys!
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hm...
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uhm.........
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Curios what people make of this.
the VT claim isn't a big deal. All but one of us are VTs.
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*curious
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Three empty posts SS?
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You know what though? A mislynch on D1 is fine. I'm thinking about hammering myself, then at least I get to pick the when.
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You know what though? A mislynch on D1 is fine. I'm thinking about hammering myself, then at least I get to pick the when.
interesting.
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I'm not sure if I have to tell you now that a lynch this early into day 1 is anti town.
Let's see where this goes. Anything else you want to say?
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You know what though? A mislynch on D1 is fine. I'm thinking about hammering myself, then at least I get to pick the when.
interesting.
How is that interesting?
I'm just happy to be unreadable. Yuma can't read me (I think that's a lie) and everyone on my wagon can't read me. So this seems okay.
Look at your gut though. This goes for everyone.
PPE
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I'm not sure if I have to tell you now that a lynch this early into day 1 is anti town.
Let's see where this goes. Anything else you want to say?
Am I supposed to care about being anti-town? My fate is sealed, I know how this goes.
Then unvote if you don't want a lynch this early.
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I'm not sure if I have to tell you now that a lynch this early into day 1 is anti town.
Let's see where this goes. Anything else you want to say?
Am I supposed to care about being anti-town? My fate is sealed, I know how this goes.
Then unvote if you don't want a lynch this early.
See, if I thought your frustration was genuine, I would have unvoted already.
It feels an awful lot like trying to pressure me into unvoting.
And yes, you should care about not being anti town. Or, you probably should not, since you're scum. But if by chance you are actually town, you should care a lot.
If you stop being pro town just because a few people voted for you, man, that's cheap.
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Not to mention that, if you were town, you would keep on playing after your lynch, so it's not like you can just make a 'bah' post and excuse yourself.
Initially, I thought you might be town after all, with your four L-1 posts. But now it's looking worse again.
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I might be playing cheap. Oops.
But I can tell you that I am frustrated. It's not even because of my L-1, it's because of you are counting your chickens before they hatch. You are way to confident in this lynch. But I'm dead on my feet. There isn't a thing I can do to redeem myself.
At least I got a cool name.
PPE
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Not to mention that, if you were town, you would keep on playing after your lynch, so it's not like you can just make a 'bah' post and excuse yourself.
Initially, I thought you might be town after all, with your four L-1 posts. But now it's looking worse again.
Shocker.
And I might excuse myself for a bit, cooling off seems like a goid idea. I've only ever been mislynched when my wagon was basically all scum.
But I won't make things personal, and I won't accuse anyone of making things personal. We all make mistakes, and you can be happy that your mistake is no bigger than a screw up in a forum game.
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But I can tell you that I am frustrated.
I... don't doubt that for a second. But the art that is not to differentiate between presence and lack of frustration, it is to differentiate between town and scum frustration. Those can be quite similar, and are hard to keep apart.
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the 'that' shouldn't be there.
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But I can tell you that I am frustrated.
I... don't doubt that for a second. But the art that is not to differentiate between presence and lack of frustration, it is to differentiate between town and scum frustration. Those can be quite similar, and are hard to keep apart.
So it's easy to make a mistake when deciding what type of frustration it is?
Are you covering all your bases in case I'm town? Just so that you can say 'sorry guys, there's a fine line between town and scum frustration?'
PPE
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so, I'm a bit sick and it's 4am and I can't sleep, so that might or might not change my perception.
Tomorrow, when I'm hopefully better and read your posts, I might get other vibes. We'll see.
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Are you covering all your bases in case I'm town? Just so that you can say 'sorry guys, there's a fine line between town and scum frustration?'
Er... no.
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Your random outbursts of aggression (in the sense of aggressive play) are quite interesting though.
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I like this. A showdown between small, 'scummy' RR versus the powerful expert Pony. No one else to get in the way, just pure debate that won't change anyone else's mind.
This is why I play Mafia.
PPE 3?
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Your random outbursts of aggression (in the sense of aggressive play) are quite interesting though.
I'm an aggressive person.
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unvote
This seems genuine to me
PPE every time I try to post this
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But I can tell you that I am frustrated.
I... don't doubt that for a second. But the art that is not to differentiate between presence and lack of frustration, it is to differentiate between town and scum frustration. Those can be quite similar, and are hard to keep apart.
So it's easy to make a mistake when deciding what type of frustration it is?
It's easy to make mistakes everywhere in mafia. The game is quite hard.
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unvote
This seems genuine to me
PPE every time I try to post this
Thanks, man.
And the best part is that SS just went to sleep, so he won't be around to change your mind for a bit.
PPE
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And the best part is that SS just went to sleep, so he won't be around to change your mind for a bit.
Sorry to tell you this, but I'm still here!
I don't intend to change gkrieg's mind, although I dislike unvoting you. Emotional posts are quite valuable in general, and you feel much more pressured than the average guy at L-1 early in the game, making them even more valuable. Unvoting pretty much puts an end to that.
The upside is that you can't quickhammer yourself, I guess. Though I don't really buy that you were going to do that as either alignment.
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And the best part is that SS just went to sleep, so he won't be around to change your mind for a bit.
Sorry to tell you this, but I'm still here!
I don't intend to change gkrieg's mind, although I dislike unvoting you. Emotional posts are quite valuable in general, and you feel much more pressured than the average guy at L-1 early in the game, making them even more valuable. Unvoting pretty much puts an end to that.
The upside is that you can't quickhammer yourself, I guess. Though I don't really buy that you were going to do that as either alignment.
No, I still feel vulnerable. Yuma will vote for me because he can't read me and likes to put me under pressure.
And yeah, I wasn't going to hammer myself. That's the stupidest thing I've ever heard.
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Ah? So you lied?
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Ah? So you lied?
Yes. I lied. To gauge your reaction, and to see if you'd believe me.
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Ah? So you lied?
Yes. I lied. To gauge your reaction, and to see if you'd believe me.
how manipulative >:(
and what does my reaction tell you about my alignment, fellow tree?
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Ah? So you lied?
Yes. I lied. To gauge your reaction, and to see if you'd believe me.
how manipulative >:(
and what does my reaction tell you about my alignment, fellow tree?
EMOJIS ARE SCUMMY! EMOJIS ARE SCUMMY!
Vote: SS
DEATH TO EMOJIS
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And the best part is that SS just went to sleep, so he won't be around to change your mind for a bit.
Sorry to tell you this, but I'm still here!
I don't intend to change gkrieg's mind, although I dislike unvoting you. Emotional posts are quite valuable in general, and you feel much more pressured than the average guy at L-1 early in the game, making them even more valuable. Unvoting pretty much puts an end to that.
The upside is that you can't quickhammer yourself, I guess. Though I don't really buy that you were going to do that as either alignment.
No, I still feel vulnerable. Yuma will vote for me because he can't read me and likes to put me under pressure.
And yeah, I wasn't going to hammer myself. That's the stupidest thing I've ever heard.
You make too many generalizations. Add that to your ever growing list of meta traits...
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My growing list of meta traits that I don't know and will never know. Perfect.
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Ah? So you lied?
Yes. I lied. To gauge your reaction, and to see if you'd believe me.
how manipulative >:(
and what does my reaction tell you about my alignment, fellow tree?
EMOJIS ARE SCUMMY! EMOJIS ARE SCUMMY!
Vote: SS
DEATH TO EMOJIS
yeah... right.
so, let's try this again. What did your purposeful manipulation tell you about my alignment?
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And the best part is that SS just went to sleep, so he won't be around to change your mind for a bit.
Sorry to tell you this, but I'm still here!
I don't intend to change gkrieg's mind, although I dislike unvoting you. Emotional posts are quite valuable in general, and you feel much more pressured than the average guy at L-1 early in the game, making them even more valuable. Unvoting pretty much puts an end to that.
The upside is that you can't quickhammer yourself, I guess. Though I don't really buy that you were going to do that as either alignment.
No, I still feel vulnerable. Yuma will vote for me because he can't read me and likes to put me under pressure.
And yeah, I wasn't going to hammer myself. That's the stupidest thing I've ever heard.
Also interesting that you said you were willing to self vote when you were at L-1, but now that gkrieg unvoted you don't want to vote for yourself anymore. Afraid I would hammer you for self voting if you did? Cause I would.
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Actually read that wrong. Disregard that post...
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I bet you still would, Yuma.
PPE
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Actually read that wrong. Disregard that post...
I don't check my PPEs.
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Ah? So you lied?
Yes. I lied. To gauge your reaction, and to see if you'd believe me.
how manipulative >:(
and what does my reaction tell you about my alignment, fellow tree?
EMOJIS ARE SCUMMY! EMOJIS ARE SCUMMY!
Vote: SS
DEATH TO EMOJIS
yeah... right.
so, let's try this again. What did your purposeful manipulation tell you about my alignment?
Nothing.
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My growing list of meta traits that I don't know and will never know. Perfect.
I just gave you one. What more do you want?
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My growing list of meta traits that I don't know and will never know. Perfect.
I just gave you one. What more do you want?
How about...a list?
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I bet you still would, Yuma.
PPE
Oh, I would. Don't disregard that part. I abhore self voting and will always vote for someone whodoes, see harry potter as to why as you should know... I just misread what you said a confused hammering for self voting. While partially the same they are kinda different.
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My growing list of meta traits that I don't know and will never know. Perfect.
I just gave you one. What more do you want?
How about...a list?
Too much work. You keep the list. I'll point them out as I go.
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My growing list of meta traits that I don't know and will never know. Perfect.
I just gave you one. What more do you want?
How about...a list?
Will do. I'll be back in about two hours, I hope I'm alive!
Too much work. You keep the list. I'll point them out as I go.
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ha! I like yuma here. yuma is town.
less sure about RR...
My growing list of meta traits that I don't know and will never know. Perfect.
I just gave you one. What more do you want?
How about...a list?
Will do. I'll be back in about two hours, I hope I'm alive!
Too much work. You keep the list. I'll point them out as I go.
... ???
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Think that was a misquote.
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Think that was a misquote.
it doesn't really make sense if it's below the quote either, though.
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We're back with RR's fourth useless and inaccurate essay
Today's episode is Why RR is town!
So, we start off in an RVS, as usual. SS gets a boatload of votes, then I ask a simple question and the game gets cracked wide open. Not only did no one tell me if I should put SS at L-1 (but I now think the answer is no), but Awaclus voted for me. SS, in a panic, decided to make a dreadful case on me and see who followed. Apparently a bunch of people thought lynching me was a good idea, so they followed.
But do they know why? Did Awaclus look at the joke of a case on me? No! Did Hydrad? Nope. At least Gkreig is partially sensible. But as SS says, the case is based off or two posts. One was me seeing if my vote would help or hurt the town. The other one was me not pushing the panic button as soon as one person (I thought it was just SS on my wagon, I forgot about Awaclus) was voting for me. I'm not going to act the same every game. You gotta jazz it up!
Also, my emojis were a scum slip. What a case! Sadly, SS probably won't change his mindset anytime soon. But the rest of you can! This wagon is ludicrous. None of you can tell me why you're voting for me. We have about a week before our deadline. Is this week going to be spent trying to kill RR? Can we at least explore the possibility that RR isn't scum? Have an open mind toward that possibility.
Anyone who isn't in this game would agree with me. EgorK, Teproc, Faust, WW, iguanaiguana, Haddock. But I'm stuck with a frightened forest who are going to douse me in gasoline and watch my body burn down to a stump.
I actually feel strongly about this case, even though I will get stumped. Voting is apparently the most important thing when you're a VT. I guess I'll cut my rant short. All I have to say is that you guys are wrong.
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Did Awaclus look at the joke of a case on me?
The case on you is that you're scum. It's a pretty good case.
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Also, you actually didn't give any reasons why you're town. That was just a list of reasons why silverspawn is voting for you.
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I would have hammered.
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As for setup theory, there is woefully none to be had for town here. It's vanilla+doc with arsonists. The stumping mechanic is ignorable as far as strategy. Just keep scum hunting.
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Either ss-awa or Yuma-eevee for sure.
Joseph is the third in both cases. Game solved.
There's only 2 scum, not 3? According to Mafia scum, there's 6 trees, 1 firefighter and 2 arsonists.
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Either ss-awa or Yuma-eevee for sure.
Joseph is the third in both cases. Game solved.
There's only 2 scum, not 3? According to Mafia scum, there's 6 trees, 1 firefighter and 2 arsonists.
You are correct, and everyone has pointed this out already. I made the mistake after reading SS's mistake.
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Also, that must mean Joseph is town, since he can't be the third scum on either confirmed 2-man team.
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Also, that must mean Joseph is town, since he can't be the third scum on either confirmed 2-man team.
Sounds good to me
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Also, that must mean Joseph is town, since he can't be the third scum on either confirmed 2-man team.
I'm not on either two man team.
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Also, what the hell to RR being put on L1 and claiming already.
I don't think there's actual evidence he's scum, but he's just the easy target after HP mafia- much like I was when I was new.
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Also, what the hell to RR being put on L1 and claiming already.
I don't think there's actual evidence he's scum, but he's just the easy target after HP mafia- much like I was when I was new.
I am an easy target. But don't worry about it, it won't be the end of me. You actually should worry about it, but it's okay.
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Also, that must mean Joseph is town, since he can't be the third scum on either confirmed 2-man team.
I'm not on either two man team.
Are you telling me I'm wrong?
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Also, that must mean Joseph is town, since he can't be the third scum on either confirmed 2-man team.
I'm not on either two man team.
Are you telling me I'm wrong?
If you think I'm not Treebob, then yes, you are wrong.
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I think rr is town. I would think he'd claim the doc if he was scum, since it seemed like he was pretty resigned to being the lynch.
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That is one of the most disingenuous, manipulative, unreasonable, and overall scummy defenses that I've ever read.
However... in HP2 mafia, RR's near-death speeches were quite a bit more reasonable, and he was town there.
I think I'd give the defense tentative town points.
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Although I kind of want to lynch him for it, because letting him live for posting something like that is kind of a crime
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Although I kind of want to lynch him for it, because letting him live for posting something like that is kind of a crime
Just read every third word, going backward from the end. It's more fun that way.
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I think rr is town. I would think he'd claim the doc if he was scum, since it seemed like he was pretty resigned to being the lynch.
He has claimed VT before as scum when he's undoubtedly going to be the lynch.
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wrong you say I rant. I'll VT when most is stumped. I case about feel stump, down my gasoline.
you're right, that is way more fun :D
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wrong you say I rant. I'll VT when most is stumped. I case about feel stump, down my gasoline.
you're right, that is way more fun :D
almost like poetry. RR are you a poet in disguise?
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I think rr is town. I would think he'd claim the doc if he was scum, since it seemed like he was pretty resigned to being the lynch.
He has claimed VT before as scum when he's undoubtedly going to be the lynch.
Well then.
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wrong you say I rant. I'll VT when most is stumped. I case about feel stump, down my gasoline.
you're right, that is way more fun :D
Also includes a scumslip.
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wrong you say I rant. I'll VT when most is stumped. I case about feel stump, down my gasoline.
you're right, that is way more fun :D
almost like poetry. RR are you a poet in disguise?
No, I'm a tree.
PPE
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wrong you say I rant. I'll VT when most is stumped. I case about feel stump, down my gasoline.
you're right, that is way more fun :D
Did I write that?
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wrong you say I rant. I'll VT when most is stumped. I case about feel stump, down my gasoline.
you're right, that is way more fun :D
Did I write that?
every third word, going backward from the end
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almost like poetry. RR are you a poet in disguise?
No, I'm a tree.
Trees can be poets:
Ent:
When spring unfolds the beechen-leaf and sap is in the bough,
When light is on the wild-wood stream, and wind is on the brow,
When stride is long, and breath is deep, and keen the mountain air,
Come back to me! Come back to me, and say my land is fair!
Entwife:
When Spring is come to garth and field, and corn is in the blade,
When blossom like a shining snow is on the orchard laid,
When sun and shower upon the earth with fragrance fill the air,
I'll linger here, and will not come, because my land is fair!
Ent:
When Summer lies upon the world, and in a noon of gold
Beneath the roof of sleeping leaves the dreams of trees unfold,
When woodland halls are green and cool, and wind is in the West,
Come back to me! Come back to me, and say my land is best!
Entwife:
When Summer warms the hanging fruit and burns the berry brown;
When straw is gold, and ear is white, and harvest comes to town;
When honey spills, and apple swells, though wind be in the West,
I'll linger here beneath the Sun, because my land is best!
Ent:
When Winter comes, the winter wild that hill and wood shall slay;
When trees shall fall and starless night devour the sunless day;
When wind is in the deadly East, then in the bitter rain
I'll look for thee, and call to thee; I'll come to thee again!
Entwife:
When Winter comes, and singing ends; when darkness falls at last;
When broken is the barren bough, and light and labour past;
I'll look for thee, and wait for thee, until we meet again:
Together we will take the road beneath the bitter rain!
Both:
Together we will take the road that leads into the West,
And far away will find a land where both our hearts may rest.
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I kinda feel like Joseph is coming off the scummiest from this whole thing...
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I kinda feel like Joseph is coming off the scummiest from this whole thing...
Why? For not wanting a quicklynch and not wanting an RR lynch, because it's just too easy?
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Why? For not wanting a quicklynch and not wanting an RR lynch, because it's just too easy?
Not wanting lynches just because they are "too easy" is scummy.
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yeah, I think I agree with that. And I doubt we'll get that much more info from RR.
vote: Joseph
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yeah, I think I agree with that. And I doubt we'll get that much more info from RR.
vote: Joseph
Oh yeah!
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yeah, I think I agree with that. And I doubt we'll get that much more info from RR.
vote: Joseph
Oh yeah!
yeah?
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Why? For not wanting a quicklynch and not wanting an RR lynch, because it's just too easy?
Not wanting lynches just because they are "too easy" is scummy.
I don't find RR as scummy either, I just think he's become the default lynch target because we don't have any better ideas.
Ppe:1
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"shudder"
vote: joseph
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Why? For not wanting a quicklynch and not wanting an RR lynch, because it's just too easy?
Not wanting lynches just because they are "too easy" is scummy.
I don't find RR as scummy either, I just think he's become the default lynch target because we don't have any better ideas.
Ppe:1
I don't find Joseph scummy.
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"shudder"
vote: joseph
🐏
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"shudder"
vote: joseph
🐏
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/%F0%9F%90%8F?redirect=no
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"shudder"
vote: joseph
🐏
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/%F0%9F%90%8F?redirect=no
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It's a sheep.
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"shudder"
vote: joseph
🐏
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/%F0%9F%90%8F?redirect=no
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It's a sheep.
You are a sheep!
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wrong you say I rant. I'll VT when most is stumped. I case about feel stump, down my gasoline.
you're right, that is way more fun :D
More emojis? You're not even trying.
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"shudder"
vote: joseph
🐏
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/%F0%9F%90%8F?redirect=no
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It's a sheep.
You are a sheep!
How am I a sheep?
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cause you are?
Better a sheep than a wolf!
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(http://www.clker.com/cliparts/I/w/I/V/P/G/fire-fighter-md.png)
(http://www.picturesof.net/_images_300/A_Colorful_Cartoon_Brown_Haired_Boy_Playing_with_Matches_and_Starting_a_Fire_Royalty_Free_Clipart_Picture_100715-165837-129053.jpg)
(http://www.picturesof.net/_images_300/A_Colorful_Cartoon_Brown_Haired_Boy_Playing_with_Matches_and_Starting_a_Fire_Royalty_Free_Clipart_Picture_100715-165837-129053.jpg)
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cause you are?
Best case ever!
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Roadrunner, if you were scum, what would you have fakeclaimed?
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cause you are?
Best case ever!
It isn't a case. but if it were, it would be.
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Roadrunner, if you were scum, what would you have fakeclaimed?
I would have claimed VT.
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Roadrunner, if you were scum, what would you have fakeclaimed?
I would have claimed VT.
Well, that's something I can totally believe.
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Roadrunner, if you were scum, what would you have fakeclaimed?
I would have claimed VT.
Well, that's something I can totally believe.
Yay. Awaclus is on my side!
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Roadrunner, if you were scum, what would you have fakeclaimed?
I would have claimed VT.
Well, that's something I can totally believe.
Yay. Awaclus is on my side!
That's not true; I'm not scum.
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You still think I'm scum?
Unreal.
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You still think I'm scum?
Why wouldn't I?
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You still think I'm scum?
Why wouldn't I?
Lack of a case and your shepherd has moved on.
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You still think I'm scum?
Why wouldn't I?
Lack of a case and your shepherd has moved on.
let me give you a general advise. it is a bad idea to continuously call people tunneling you a bunch of sheeps, because that might make them angry and get you lynched, which should not be in your interest regardless of your alignment. It is an especially bad idea if it's totally unjustified, such as in this case.
The same applies for claiming that the case doesn't exist.
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You still think I'm scum?
Why wouldn't I?
Lack of a case and your shepherd has moved on.
let me give you a general advise. it is a bad idea to continuously call people tunneling you a bunch of sheeps, because that might make them angry and get you lynched, which should not be in your interest regardless of your alignment. It is an especially bad idea if it's totally unjustified, such as in this case.
The same applies for claiming that the case doesn't exist.
Calling people sheep probably isn't a good idea, I see that. But it's pretty much my only defense. I call someone a sheep, they look for evidence against me, and they find none. Then they Unvote
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You still think I'm scum?
Why wouldn't I?
Lack of a case and your shepherd has moved on.
There isn't a lack of a case, there is a brilliant case on you. I also discovered it before silverspawn did, so if anything, he has recently stopped sheeping me.
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You still think I'm scum?
Why wouldn't I?
Lack of a case and your shepherd has moved on.
There isn't a lack of a case, there is a brilliant case on you. I also discovered it before silverspawn did, so if anything, he has recently stopped sheeping me.
Chances are that if you don't provide reasons, people who are voting for the same guy as you aren't sheeping you.
Ofc you aren't sheeping me either.
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You still think I'm scum?
Why wouldn't I?
Lack of a case and your shepherd has moved on.
There isn't a lack of a case, there is a brilliant case on you. I also discovered it before silverspawn did, so if anything, he has recently stopped sheeping me.
Care to share your brilliant case?
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You still think I'm scum?
Why wouldn't I?
Lack of a case and your shepherd has moved on.
There isn't a lack of a case, there is a brilliant case on you. I also discovered it before silverspawn did, so if anything, he has recently stopped sheeping me.
Care to share your brilliant case?
No.
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You still think I'm scum?
Why wouldn't I?
Lack of a case and your shepherd has moved on.
There isn't a lack of a case, there is a brilliant case on you. I also discovered it before silverspawn did, so if anything, he has recently stopped sheeping me.
Care to share your brilliant case?
No.
Oh look. I see an Awaclus. How unhelpful.
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So...something?
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You still think I'm scum?
Why wouldn't I?
Lack of a case and your shepherd has moved on.
There isn't a lack of a case, there is a brilliant case on you. I also discovered it before silverspawn did, so if anything, he has recently stopped sheeping me.
Care to share your brilliant case?
No.
Oh look. I see an Awaclus. How unhelpful.
Darn, you stole my lines!
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So...something?
Do you think I'm scum?
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So...something?
Do you think I'm scum?
Not particularly.
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So...something?
Do you think I'm scum?
Not particularly.
Then why did you intend to hammer?
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So...something?
Do you think I'm scum?
Not particularly.
Then why did you intend to hammer?
I like hammering.
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So...something?
Do you think I'm scum?
Not particularly.
Then why did you intend to hammer?
I like hammering.
So on one hand, we have Awaclus who refuses to share information. On the other hand, we have Mister 'I likey the hammer.'
A scum victory wouldn't be super suprising to me.
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Depends on who's scum.
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Depends on who's scum.
Eh, not really.
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random thought. should the firefighter claim earlier then we usually would? In most games they would just die right away. but in a game like this they have to prime and then ignite him. so basically spend 2 nights to kill him which is great for us. So most likely they will just prime him and keep priming others but not using a turn to ignite until they think they can win. So then we basically have an IC doctor?
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random thought. should the firefighter claim earlier then we usually would? In most games they would just die right away. but in a game like this they have to prime and then ignite him. so basically spend 2 nights to kill him which is great for us. So most likely they will just prime him and keep priming others but not using a turn to ignite until they think they can win. So then we basically have an IC doctor?
The firefighter should never claim unless under pressure.
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random thought. should the firefighter claim earlier then we usually would? In most games they would just die right away. but in a game like this they have to prime and then ignite him. so basically spend 2 nights to kill him which is great for us. So most likely they will just prime him and keep priming others but not using a turn to ignite until they think they can win. So then we basically have an IC doctor?
but what is the upside of claiming? if he is about to get lynched, he can still claim.
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I guess one thing is that this will stop scum from claiming doctor when they are about to be lynched. and then having our doctor counterclaim and then we have to 50/50 it kinda thing.
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Town points to hydrad from taking us away from trolling and towards more serious contributions.
I'm against claiming until you have to. I also think it's bad to ever claim VT in this setup - just refuse to claim until you die (if VT) or until you feel you absolutely absolutely have to (firefighter).
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I agree about the not claiming. Town points to Hydrad for thinking of it though.
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gkrieg seems to be playing it quite safe, which I've always associated with scumminess.
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gkrieg seems to be playing it quite safe, which I've always associated with scumminess.
How am I playing it safe?
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gkrieg seems to be playing it quite safe, which I've always associated with scumminess.
How am I playing it safe?
Just a feeling. many of the other players are borderline trolling and being spazzy, you haven't really come out with any strong takes as far as I can tell, just sort of giving your opinion on issues as they arise, really not attracting any attention at all.
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gkrieg seems to be playing it quite safe, which I've always associated with scumminess.
How am I playing it safe?
Just a feeling. many of the other players are borderline trolling and being spazzy, you haven't really come out with any strong takes as far as I can tell, just sort of giving your opinion on issues as they arise, really not attracting any attention at all.
That is probably more because I have been busy but trying to contribute when I can. I want my posts to not be trolly because I don't have the time to post a lot, and probably won't have a ton of time this game. It is also D1, so I'm still trying to form opinions of people.
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Could totally be a playstyle thing, and please don't consider it a bad thing you aren't trolling! It's just, you know, that it's harder to get a read on you, you seem very measured.
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Could totally be a playstyle thing, and please don't consider it a bad thing you aren't trolling! It's just, you know, that it's harder to get a read on you, you seem very measured.
Interesting. I don't feel like I'm playing measured. I'm just not responding as much as I normally would. I'm still trying to put reads and votes out there so people are able to get an accurate read on me.
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Could totally be a playstyle thing, and please don't consider it a bad thing you aren't trolling! It's just, you know, that it's harder to get a read on you, you seem very measured.
Interesting. I don't feel like I'm playing measured. I'm just not responding as much as I normally would. I'm still trying to put reads and votes out there so people are able to get an accurate read on me.
conscious attempts to appear towny could be seen as scummy
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conscious attempts to appear towny could be seen as scummy
No, they can't. I always consciously attempt to appear towny as town.
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conscious attempts to appear towny could be seen as scummy
No, they can't. I always consciously attempt to appear towny as town.
*sigh* yes I know. They can be scummy anyway.
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When playing with fire, remember it is really hot.
Vote Count 1.4:
silverspawn (2): Ashersky, Eevee
Ashersky (1): Joseph2302
Roadrunner (2): Awaclus, Hydrad
Joseph2302 (2): silverspawn, Yuma
Not Voting (2): Gkrieg, Roadrunner
With 9 alive, it takes 5 to lynch.
Day 1 ends on December 12 at 11:00 a.m. forum time.
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What's the case on Not Voting?
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Interestingly enough, I'm actually completely fine with all of the current wagons except for ash. Silver is not as good as RR or Joseph, though.
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Vote: Gkreig
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Allow me to elaborate. All I have right now is that he's acting very similiar to Harry Potter Mafia. I observed him once I died in that game as he was my partner that I had the most hope for.
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Allow me to elaborate. All I have right now is that he's acting very similiar to Harry Potter Mafia. I observed him once I died in that game as he was my partner that I had the most hope for.
Do you have any data points of him not being scum?
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um, busy work day. not caught up. But see there isn't really much to get caught up on.
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Hmm. Eevee is giving me weird vibes. I don't really know why. But what hes posting makes me think he should be towny but for some reason I'm hesitant to give him a town read here...
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Allow me to elaborate. All I have right now is that he's acting very similiar to Harry Potter Mafia. I observed him once I died in that game as he was my partner that I had the most hope for.
Do you have any data points of him not being scum?
Yes.
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Vote: Gkreig
Sounds reasonable.
Vote: Gkrieg
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Vote: Gkreig
Sounds reasonable.
Vote: Gkrieg
I'm a pretty reasonable guy.
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Allow me to elaborate. All I have right now is that he's acting very similiar to Harry Potter Mafia. I observed him once I died in that game as he was my partner that I had the most hope for.
How am I playing similar to in Harry Potter Mafia?
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Allow me to elaborate. All I have right now is that he's acting very similiar to Harry Potter Mafia. I observed him once I died in that game as he was my partner that I had the most hope for.
How am I playing similar to in Harry Potter Mafia?
How are you not playing similar to in Harry Potter Mafia?
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Unfortunately I actually think that I play very poorly as scum. I have only survived past D1 twice, the first was Fanfiction with a fake claim, and the second was in Harry Potter, where I was sick. I might look similar because I am trying to get end-of-the-semester projects in as well as grad school applications.
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I generally buy that defense. People often attribute playstyles to alignment when they actually rather represent interest level and how much time you have for the game.
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Vote Count 1.5:
silverspawn (2): Ashersky, Eevee
Gkrieg (2): Roadrunner, Joseph2302
Roadrunner (2): Awaclus, Hydrad
Joseph2302 (2): silverspawn, Yuma
Not Voting (1): Gkrieg
With 9 alive, it takes 5 to lynch.
Day 1 ends on December 12 at 11:00 a.m. forum time.
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vote: Joseph
He looks the scummiest to me right now.
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vote: Joseph
He looks the scummiest to me right now.
Why?
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vote: Joseph
He looks the scummiest to me right now.
Such an OMGUS vote.
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I like the gkreig lynch a lot more than Joseph. A SS lynch would be bad though.
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I like the gkreig lynch a lot more than Joseph. A SS lynch would be bad though.
Why so?
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I like the gkreig lynch a lot more than Joseph. A SS lynch would be bad though.
Why so?
I will restate why: Your behavior in this game = your behavior in Harry Potter mafia.
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I think we want a lynch soon, weekend is creeping up and the action is already scarce.
Vote: Joseph L-1!
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so this is picking up? cool, I like it
although -- Eevee, what's your reason?
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Vote Count 1.6:
silverspawn (1): Ashersky
Gkrieg (2): Roadrunner, Joseph2302
Roadrunner (2): Awaclus, Hydrad
Joseph2302 (4): silverspawn, Yuma, Gkrieg, Eevee (L-1)
Not Voting (0):
With 9 alive, it takes 5 to lynch.
Day 1 ends on December 12 at 11:00 a.m. forum time.
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Intent to hammer
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Intent to hammer
err, that's too fast. give Joseph a chance to react
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Intent to hammer
err, that's too fast. give Joseph a chance to react
That's what I'm doing right now.
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Intent to hammer
err, that's too fast. give Joseph a chance to react
That's what I'm doing right now.
This is dumb.
I'm VT.
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I'm never voting for Joseph.
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I'm never voting for Joseph.
And how exactly do you think that's going to help?
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I'm never voting for Joseph.
And how exactly do you think that's going to help?
It'll slow down the mislynch.
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I'm never voting for Joseph.
Why aren't you? What has made him so townie in your eyes that you will never consider voting for him?
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I'm never voting for Joseph.
Why aren't you? What has made him so townie in your eyes that you will never consider voting for him?
What made him so scummy in your eyes?
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I'm never voting for Joseph.
vote: RR
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I'm never voting for Joseph.
vote: RR
I should've predicted this. I flat out refuse to join a wagon, I get killed for it.
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I'm never voting for Joseph.
vote: RR
I should've predicted this. I flat out refuse to join a wagon, I get killed for it.
My votes, as awesome as they are, do not yet auto-lynch people.
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I'm never voting for Joseph.
vote: RR
I should've predicted this. I flat out refuse to join a wagon, I get killed for it.
My votes, as awesome as they are, do not yet auto-lynch people.
I'm at L-2. SS will come back, and I think Yuma likes to hammer.
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I'm never voting for Joseph.
Why do I feel I'm being white knighted here? This certainly doesn't fill me with confidence about RR.
Which is a shame, because up til this point, I thought RR was town.
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err guys. RR refusing to vote for Joseph is the towniest thing he has done this game.
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I'm more warming up for the Joseph lynch right now. I need to reread a few near-lynched scenarios from Joseph, but I think mild reaction is a scum tell.
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hm, interesting.
don't really want to share my thoughts quite yet though. Let's see what happens first.
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I'm never voting for Joseph.
Why do I feel I'm being white knighted here? This certainly doesn't fill me with confidence about RR.
Which is a shame, because up til this point, I thought RR was town.
No offense dude, but I don't care whether or not you think I'm town. I'm going to try and keep you alive. If you think I'm scum, whatever, man.
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I'm never voting for Joseph.
Why do I feel I'm being white knighted here? This certainly doesn't fill me with confidence about RR.
Which is a shame, because up til this point, I thought RR was town.
And people already think I'm scummy. A better strategy would be to pretend to be on the fence about you, then 'derphammer.' Putting myself out there the way I did would be a bad idea if I was scum.
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I'm more warming up for the Joseph lynch right now. I need to reread a few near-lynched scenarios from Joseph, but I think mild reaction is a scum tell.
aren't you already voting for Joseph?
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I'm more warming up for the Joseph lynch right now. I need to reread a few near-lynched scenarios from Joseph, but I think mild reaction is a scum tell.
aren't you already voting for Joseph?
I am. but voting for him =/= being willing to lynch him right now.
plus, I can warm up even if I'm already warm.
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err guys. RR refusing to vote for Joseph is the towniest thing he has done this game.
How does that make him townie? RR seems a lot more aggressive here.
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err guys. RR refusing to vote for Joseph is the towniest thing he has done this game.
How does that make him townie? RR seems a lot more aggressive here.
doing random unwarranted stuff is a town tell for RR, I think.
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err guys. RR refusing to vote for Joseph is the towniest thing he has done this game.
How does that make him townie? RR seems a lot more aggressive here.
doing random unwarranted stuff is a town tell for RR, I think.
I think the random unwarranted stuff usually is about him. It also is usually about how he is scared to vote for anyone. Voting me and then refusing to vote for someone is different for RR. I'm still deciding if it is scummy.
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err guys. RR refusing to vote for Joseph is the towniest thing he has done this game.
How does that make him townie? RR seems a lot more aggressive here.
'I'm an aggressive person.'
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I'm still deciding if it is scummy.
I will save you some time, it's not scummy.
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err guys. RR refusing to vote for Joseph is the towniest thing he has done this game.
How does that make him townie? RR seems a lot more aggressive here.
'I'm an aggressive person.'
?
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I failed with that quoting up there.
PPE
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err guys. RR refusing to vote for Joseph is the towniest thing he has done this game.
How does that make him townie? RR seems a lot more aggressive here.
'I'm an aggressive person.'
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I said that earlier this game, but I don't know how to quote a quote.
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i am just not sure i believe that you are aggressive... that isn't how i would describe your play style...
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i am just not sure i believe that you are aggressive... that isn't how i would describe your play style...
If you tell me a word I can add it to my meta list!
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Basically a toss up between gkriek and joseph as I couldn't really differentiate between their actions this far (without flips, anyways). I chose Joseph because griek's posts felt emotionally townier to me.
This running up wagons and claiming surely is what scum loves us to do, though. Wagging my finger at RR and Joseph.
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I want Hydrad to say something regarding the Joseph wagon.
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Something regarding the Joseph wagon.
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Hmm seems like It just kinda happened thought and I don't fully understand why.
Vote: Gkrieg
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Let's lynch ss. Worse case, he's a tree stump IC, right?
vote: ss
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There is one vote on me. That's not pressure. And instead of just voting for you, I consulted my fellow players. This RR!case is a joke.
it's frustrating to be accurately pinned down by me - again - is it not?
Oh, and if you like reasons...ss's complete and utter (and unexplained) 360 on RR is a good start.
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Should we mass claim? It gives us an IC for two days minimum.
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Should we mass claim? It gives us an IC for two days minimum.
No.
Vote: Joseph
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Should we mass claim? It gives us an IC for two days minimum.
I think its fine though. I brought this up before. but everyone said no D:
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That's an unannounced L-1, right?
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silverspawn (1): Ashersky
Gkrieg (3): Roadrunner, Joseph2302, Hydrad
Joseph2302 (5): silverspawn, Yuma, Gkrieg, Eevee, Awaclus
Nope, that was the hammer.
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oh. thats interesting.
welp i guess thats one way to get it going.
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ic-treestumping someone opinionated is a whole lot better than killing them and silencing them forever day1, which does change our lynching strategy a little bit in my opinion. haven't seen anything I find scummy from silver after the initial case though
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oh, wow.
well, hopefully he is scum!
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silverspawn (1): Ashersky
Gkrieg (3): Roadrunner, Joseph2302, Hydrad
Joseph2302 (5): silverspawn, Yuma, Gkrieg, Eevee, Awaclus
Nope, that was the hammer.
So I'm hammered?
Not the worst, since I stump, right? And I only lose my vote (which I don't use that much anyway)?
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Thread locked
Vote Count 1.Final:
Gkrieg (3): Roadrunner, Joseph2302, Hydrad,
Joseph2302 (5): silverspawn, Yuma, Gkrieg, Eevee, Awaclus
silverspawn (1): Ashersky
With 9 alive, it took 5 to lynch.
Joseph was lynched. He was Tree and now is Tree Stump
Night 1 ends on December 12 at 11:00 a.m. forum time. Night actions are due in 24 hours
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D1 Lynch Flavor
After their initial fight, the trees of the forest got pretty tight lipped. Most looked panicky, ready to defend themselves and their honor. But unlike the rest, Treemail seemed somewhat aloof from the entire process. No one liked the way that he was just staring into the sky, seemingly unconcerned with his fate, and the votes stacked up until Treemail was on the point of death. His only defense was to tell the others that he was a Vanilla Tree. “Clearly he’s a maple!” everyone thought, and before anyone had realized that it was too late to turn back, the final vote was cast.
“Call in the lumberjacks,” shouted Treeson. “Tonight we hope to find fire lurking in Treemail's heart!”
But after this:
(http://wiki.dominionstrategy.com/images/thumb/d/d6/Woodcutter.jpg/376px-Woodcutter.jpg)
All they saw was this:
(http://www.anthonyhughestreeservice.com/Tree-Stump-Transparent.png)
“You fools!” said Treemail's stump, “I told you I was a Vanilla Tree! Don’t think just because you’ve cut me down that you’re rid of me! You’ll be sure to hear my opinion about who you off next. That is, unless I’ve decided I’ve had it up to here with all of you...” (He then gestured with a twig toward the top of his stump) “in which case I may decide not to say anything at all!”
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A modification to the night ending time:
N1 ends on Friday, Dec. 11 at ~9AM forum time.
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As dawn comes over the forest, tension mounts. Although apparently nothing happened at night, no one can be sure when the fire will erupt, or how many lives it will consume when it does.
Day 2 begins now and ends on Friday, December 18 at 9AM forum time.
Thread unlocked!
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these derphammers are getting increasingly retarded
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well... I really hope you grow back. That's the idea, right? If we get lynched, we can grow back; if we get burned, we can't.
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or - Awaclus, was your hammer even accidental?
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well... I really hope you grow back. That's the idea, right? If we get lynched, we can grow back; if we get burned, we can't.
I don't get this? He can't grow back. He is just a tree stump
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well... I really hope you grow back. That's the idea, right? If we get lynched, we can grow back; if we get burned, we can't.
I don't get this? He can't grow back. He is just a tree stump
I believe that's the case.
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well... I really hope you grow back. That's the idea, right? If we get lynched, we can grow back; if we get burned, we can't.
I don't get this? He can't grow back. He is just a tree stump
I believe that's the case.
I think he meant it in a flavorful way.
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Hi everyone!
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So, new information, Joseph is IC, but can't vote. Should probably reread to see if we can draw some conclusions from this.
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So, new information, Joseph is IC, but can't vote. Should probably reread to see if we can draw some conclusions from this.
I feel like Joseph would be the best person to draw the conclusions... given his IC status.
Also, I can't see your Eevee avatar anymore? Haven't been able to since the start of the game... Kinda sad really.
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Awaclus, why did you hammer?
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well... I really hope you grow back. That's the idea, right? If we get lynched, we can grow back; if we get burned, we can't.
I don't get this? He can't grow back. He is just a tree stump
ehh, yeah, I just meant to be subtly funny/flavorful. Sorry if it was confusing.
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So, random idea:
what if we set up a "virtual voting system" like we did in death note mafia, where the ICs can still vote? We could use another syntax for this (i.e. we would simply write 'v0te' instead of 'vote'). Whoever is lynched in that system then gets lynched for real.
Effectively, this would make it as though ICs could still vote, with the cost of having to organize it.
Thoughts?
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Let's do it SS. I like that idea.
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So, random idea:
what if we set up a "virtual voting system" like we did in death note mafia, where the ICs can still vote? We could use another syntax for this (i.e. we would simply write 'v0te' instead of 'vote'). Whoever is lynched in that system then gets lynched for real.
Effectively, this would make it as though ICs could still vote, with the cost of having to organize it.
Thoughts?
Sounds good to me. There isn't a reason we don't want ICs being able to vote. It also gives them an incentive to stay invested in the game.
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or - Awaclus, was your hammer even accidental?
No. I even announced intent to hammer an IRL day earlier, I think it should be pretty clear that I intended to hammer.
Awaclus, why did you hammer?
Because I thought you were scum. Also, a lot of people had taken strong stances regarding you.
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or - Awaclus, was your hammer even accidental?
No. I even announced intent to hammer an IRL day earlier, I think it should be pretty clear that I intended to hammer.
Awaclus, why did you hammer?
Because I thought you were scum. Also, a lot of people had taken strong stances regarding you.
True, although I don't see why they did.
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Regarding the tree stump voting system, I think it's slightly good. On one hand, the tree stumps have less information than vanilla townies who're still alive, but on the other, I guess an uninformed town vote is still better than a scum vote, and adding them in the mix gives scum less power over the lynch. I'm not sure how much it affects our ability to analyze the wagons in order to find the scum, though, but probably not much I suppose?
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Can't the tree stump just vote like normal and it's not counted but we pay attention anyway?
I don't know why we'd need some convoluted system to make it work.
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Can't the tree stump just vote like normal and it's not counted but we pay attention anyway?
I don't know why we'd need some convoluted system to make it work.
It's not a convoluted system, it's as simple as the regular system. If we don't have a separate system, the lynch can happen before the tree stumps have had any say on it.
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Isn't it where if five people including tree stumps vote for someone, we say they are 'lynchef' and we go into 'twilight?' And in 'twilight,' people move their votes for the best of the town?
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Isn't it where if five people including tree stumps vote for someone, we say they are 'lynchef' and we go into 'twilight?' And in 'twilight,' people move their votes for the best of the town?
Well, basically, where "for the best of the town" means "to the person who was 'lynchef'".
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Isn't it where if five people including tree stumps vote for someone, we say they are 'lynchef' and we go into 'twilight?' And in 'twilight,' people move their votes for the best of the town?
Well, basically, where "for the best of the town" means "to the person who was 'lynchef'".
Lynchef?
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Can't the tree stump just vote like normal and it's not counted but we pay attention anyway?
I don't know why we'd need some convoluted system to make it work.
It's not a convoluted system, it's as simple as the regular system. If we don't have a separate system, the lynch can happen before the tree stumps have had any say on it.
Yeah.
Although, I'd probably wait until tomorrow to do it. Today, we are 8, which means that it takes the same number of votes to lynch someone in the virtual system than to actually lynch someone, so we can just vote normally and count Joseph as an 'extra' vote. If someone gets 'hammered' with him on it, we'll lynch that guy.
oh and vote: Awaclus
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Isn't it where if five people including tree stumps vote for someone, we say they are 'lynchef' and we go into 'twilight?' And in 'twilight,' people move their votes for the best of the town?
Well, basically, where "for the best of the town" means "to the person who was 'lynchef'".
Lynchef?
You're the one who came up with that term.
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So, random idea:
what if we set up a "virtual voting system" like we did in death note mafia, where the ICs can still vote? We could use another syntax for this (i.e. we would simply write 'v0te' instead of 'vote'). Whoever is lynched in that system then gets lynched for real.
Effectively, this would make it as though ICs could still vote, with the cost of having to organize it.
Thoughts?
My only concern with this is that the fake votes are non-binding. What do we do if someone gets to a point where there is a fake consensus but when the time comes for actual voting they balk and don't vote? Do we policy vote? I don't like that. We have tried different policy votes, similar to this (for example there was one I promoted way back when when we had bankable day deadlines that promoted auto-lynching people if they didn't do X to get us to save days for the bankable deadline), in the past and they all failed miserably.
So while I think this might work, I think it is also probably unnecessarily complicated. Just vote regular and have Joseph vote regular and then whenever iguana or EgorK put down a vote count, someone automatically quote it and add Joseph's vote, if there is one into it...
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Holy crap! I thought we lynched gkreig, not Joseph! Come on, guys!
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Holy crap! I thought we lynched gkreig, not Joseph! Come on, guys!
Noted...
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Holy crap! I thought we lynched gkreig, not Joseph! Come on, guys!
Noted...
Duly noted?
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Holy crap! I thought we lynched gkreig, not Joseph! Come on, guys!
vote: RR
Fake as hell.
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Holy crap! I thought we lynched gkreig, not Joseph! Come on, guys!
vote: RR
Fake as hell.
Even if I did fake that, why would it be scummy?
And if I'm scum, what would I gain from posting that?
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Holy crap! I thought we lynched gkreig, not Joseph! Come on, guys!
vote: RR
Fake as hell.
Even if I did fake that, why would it be scummy?
And if I'm scum, what would I gain from posting that?
RR cred.
Also, scum response to my vote, revote: RR.
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Holy crap! I thought we lynched gkreig, not Joseph! Come on, guys!
vote: RR
Fake as hell.
Even if I did fake that, why would it be scummy?
And if I'm scum, what would I gain from posting that?
RR cred.
Also, scum response to my vote, revote: RR.
I'm trying to see the logic in this. I will obviously be upset if this turns into another wagon.
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Vote Count 2.0:
Awaclus (1): silverspawn
Roadrunner (1): Ashersky
Note Voting (6): Eevee, Yuma, Awaclus, Roadrunner, Gkrieg, Hydrad
With 8 alive, it takes 5 to lynch. Day 2 ends on Friday, December 18 at 9AM forum time.
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Vote: Gkreig
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Vote: Gkreig
What have I done that gives you such a strong scum read on me?
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Vote: Gkreig
What have I done that gives you such a strong scum read on me?
what have you done to make people misspell your name?
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so I don't get how gkrieg is scummy. Can someone explain?
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so I don't get how gkrieg is scummy. Can someone explain?
He is acting the same as he did in HP Mafia but different than the game I played with him when he was town.
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so I don't get how gkrieg is scummy. Can someone explain?
He is acting the same as he did in HP Mafia but different than the game I played with him when he was town.
An interesting thought.
My main decision at the moment is whether RR is town or not.
D1 it felt like RR was different to last game, however there was a post that made it feel like he was whiteknighting me.
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so I don't get how gkrieg is scummy. Can someone explain?
He is acting the same as he did in HP Mafia but different than the game I played with him when he was town.
An interesting thought.
My main decision at the moment is whether RR is town or not.
D1 it felt like RR was different to last game, however there was a post that made it feel like he was whiteknighting me.
So I try to save your butt and you thank me by saying 'lynch RR!'
And to clarify, white knighting is when a scum defends a town for town points, right? If I was doing that, don't you think the 'I'm not voting for Joseph' post would be a little over the top?
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RR is getting progressively more towny. I think he crossed the null point by now.
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RR is getting progressively more towny. I think he crossed the null point by now.
Really? I think I'm acting different.
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RR is getting progressively more towny. I think he crossed the null point by now.
Really? I think I'm acting different.
I don't really care what you think... uhm, that may sound rude, but I kind of don't, as far as your alignment goes.
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If you think you should be scummy, that is prob more likely to make you towny.
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If you think you should be scummy, that is prob more likely to make you towny.
I don't think I should be scummy, I think I'm accidentally more scummy.
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If you think you should be scummy, that is prob more likely to make you towny.
I don't think I should be scummy, I think I'm accidentally more scummy.
Let us not have this argument
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If you think you should be scummy, that is prob more likely to make you towny.
I don't think I should be scummy, I think I'm accidentally more scummy.
Let us not have this argument
Okay.
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Roadrunner is town.
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Can others see my avatar?
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Can others see my avatar?
You mean the Eevee?
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Can others see my avatar?
yes
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the eevee aka eternal proof of my innocence
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Can others see my avatar?
Yes.
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Vote: Gkreig
What have I done that gives you such a strong scum read on me?
what have you done to make people misspell your name?
I guess I have a hard name
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Almost a day with no activity. I'll reread some stuff and post some opinions.
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Almost a day with no activity. I'll reread some stuff and post some opinions.
I will reply to your opinions.
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Vote Count 1.Final:
Gkrieg (3): Roadrunner, Joseph2302, Hydrad,
Joseph2302 (5): silverspawn, Yuma, Gkrieg, Eevee, Awaclus
silverspawn (1): Ashersky
With 9 alive, it took 5 to lynch.
Ok looking at this, I'm going to assume there is at least one scum on the wagon. Otherwise in RR, Hydrad, and ash are both of the scum. I think for right now, I'll look at the possibility that there is 1 scum in each group. So that is 1 in ss, yuma, eevee, and awaclus as well. I'll start with a RR, Hydrad, ash reread first then.
RR:
He has one post at the beginning where ss suggests we lynch strong town players so they turn into stumps and he agrees. Could imply he is on the scum team and isn't viewed as strong town so will stay alive.
States he has an opportunity to put ss at L-1 and that it would be fun, but doesn't.
Says "But I wouldn't mind some heat, either." Clearly an arson :P
Defends a case on himself, but says it is just based off of use of emojis. I don't agree with the case here, but there is much more to it than just emoji use.
Has town reads on himself and Hydrad, with a desperate scum read on ss.
His reasoning for the Hydrad town read is that town!Hydrad lurks on D1. I'm pretty sure this is actually backwards.
He keeps saying that the case on him is super weak.
Claims my vote on him is just sheeping.
He claims at L-1. Claim is interesting. He states his flavor as well as his role. I'm not sure if scum with fakeclaim-flavor is more likely to claim the flavor or is town more likely?
Claims he will hammer himself.
Talks about his flavor name again.
He posts another of his "essays"
Talks about his flavor name again.
Says he will never vote for Joseph to "slow down the mislynch"
He thinks we lynched me instead of Joseph. I find this hard to believe. He had a strong town read on Joseph and I would be surprised if he forgot about the mislynch.
My conclusion from this is that it is enough to vote: RR right now. The things that stand out to me are the threatened self-hammer, and mentioning his flavorname repeatedly. Sounds like someone trying to solidify a fake claim. I'll reread the others shortly.
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Hydrad:
Chimes in on Treeson claiming
Agrees with lynching all of the strong players (then votes for me!)
votes for Eevee
Then unvotes because he agrees on his case for ss.
votes for RR
Says the firefighter should claim early to get a 2-day IC. I kinda agree with this logic.
Goes back to giving Eevee a non-townie read.
Votes for me
says the hammer is interesting
Hasn't posted at all D2
request prod on Hydrad
I think the biggest thing to note here is his lack of activity. From the games I remember where he was scum, he was fairly inactive. His votes seem alright to me. He is mainly just going along with the larger wagons throughout the day.
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If there's scum offwagon, makes sense to kill on, given how few are off.
I think RR is a good bet.
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4 hours and I'll be here
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ashersky:
claims he will counterclaim anyone that claims treeson. Could mean that he is treeson. Could mean he is ash.
votes for ss
wants the hammer on ss
calls two 3-person scum teams with Joseph on each of them. Calls everyone but Hydrad, RR, and me on one of the teams.
Says he would've hammered RR.
votes RR for not voting for Joseph ever
goes back to voting for ss
asks for a mass claim
D2:
votes for RR
Revotes for RR for having the fake "I thought we lynched gkrieg instead of Joseph"
Interesting thing here is that there isn't that much substance to his posts. There isn't any theory talk to be had, so that might be one reason. He only votes for RR and ss, both people he has a history of voting for. He might be trying to emulate his meta, or he might just think they are scum this game. Overall null read on him. Nothing too scummy, and nothing too towny.
PPE: 2
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ashersky:
claims he will counterclaim anyone that claims treeson. Could mean that he is treeson. Could mean he is ash.
votes for ss
wants the hammer on ss
calls two 3-person scum teams with Joseph on each of them. Calls everyone but Hydrad, RR, and me on one of the teams.
Says he would've hammered RR.
votes RR for not voting for Joseph ever
goes back to voting for ss
asks for a mass claim
D2:
votes for RR
Revotes for RR for having the fake "I thought we lynched gkrieg instead of Joseph"
Interesting thing here is that there isn't that much substance to his posts. There isn't any theory talk to be had, so that might be one reason. He only votes for RR and ss, both people he has a history of voting for. He might be trying to emulate his meta, or he might just think they are scum this game. Overall null read on him. Nothing too scummy, and nothing too towny.
PPE: 2
You forgot to mention we are masons.
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Now to ss, yuma, eevee, awaclus in backwards order:
Awaclus:
chimes in on the treeson claiming.
votes for RR
defends his vote on RR. This is a pretty townie defense on my part.
claims intent to hammer joseph
hammers. It seems like a pretty townie hammer considering the hammers he has had recently (which were scummy when he was scum)
chimes in on the treestump voting.
I find Awaclus townie after this. He isn't helpful!scum!Awaclus, which means he is town!Awaclus.
PPE: I thought we were going to claim something else this time!!!! Way to ruin it!
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Eevee:
votes ss for rolefishing with the flavor claiming
keeps his vote there because ss's defense didn't involve him claiming he is town. I disagree with this. I have only claimed town in a defense when I was scum.
Sets up future partner interactions
claims to not remember Hydrad, Joseph, Awaclus, or myself. This sounds warranted. I didn't post much D1
claims no town reads this game.
Forgets about the treestump mechanic. I don't see this as a slip either way.
defends RR. Says RR would claim doc if pressured.
Gives town points to Hydrad for moving the situation forward
Says I've been playing it safe. Equates it to scumminess. I wasn't really into this game until today, which probably contributed to this feeling.
Puts Joseph at L-1. His reasoning is wanting a lynch soon. Mild scum move here.
Defends his reasoning later. Town points here.
Once again claims RR is town.
The biggest thing that sticks out to me is his repeated defense of RR. I want to hear some good reasons for this from him If RR flips scum, I would look into Eevee a lot more. The L-1 is scummy, but his reasoning behind it is good. He is 50/50 to me. Slightly scummy, but he could easily switch to slightly townie in my eyes.
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yuma:
votes eevee for his ss vote. Later explains it is because the case is on what ss didn't say rather than on what he said. I agree with yuma here.
Says he would've hammered RR.
says Joseph came off scummiest from everything
He doesn't really support the stump voting. Mainly jsut thinks it will be difficult.
I'm actually surprised he doesn't have more content in his posts. He also gets a pretty big null from me as well. He is on the townier side though.
I'm out of battery so I'll do the ss reread later.
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Yay, everyone thinks I'm scum again. This is fantastic.
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I like these rereads. I think I largely agree... except that I recently get the town vibes form RR.
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ash actually comes off scummiest in your rereads. vote: ash
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ash, I get the feeling that you generally like to active lurk until something controversial comes up. Do you agree with this?
And what are your thoughts on other players, and why?
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ash, I get the feeling that you generally like to active lurk until something controversial comes up. Do you agree with this?
And what are your thoughts on other players, and why?
No. Activity level depends on the game and setup, but I don't wait for controversy, ever.
I already called the scum team. Still feel good about it.
I'd be fine lynching either you or RR. Fairly certain there.
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I'm not fine with me or SS getting lynched.
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ash, I get the feeling that you generally like to active lurk until something controversial comes up. Do you agree with this?
And what are your thoughts on other players, and why?
No. Activity level depends on the game and setup, but I don't wait for controversy, ever.
I already called the scum team. Still feel good about it.
I'd be fine lynching either you or RR. Fairly certain there.
you have been thinking I am scum in every game recently, and you have always been wrong. Why are you still confident?
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ash, I get the feeling that you generally like to active lurk until something controversial comes up. Do you agree with this?
And what are your thoughts on other players, and why?
No. Activity level depends on the game and setup, but I don't wait for controversy, ever.
I already called the scum team. Still feel good about it.
I'd be fine lynching either you or RR. Fairly certain there.
you have been thinking I am scum in every game recently, and you have always been wrong. Why are you still confident?
Me too! He was right in Harry Potter, but that's beyond the point.
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right, but that's at least one hit.
On me, he was always wrong, and so is he now. So why keep pushing it? Am I somehow scummy in a different way this time?
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Ok now to the reread of ss:
Ya I knew there would be a lot of posts.
So he starts with the flavor claiming stuff. This is what gives him a lot of heat at the beginning. To me it just looks like regular silver trying to talk about some theory stuff. With this game there really is nothing to go on at the beginning because there is only one PR. No theory. Most interesting to me is that no one ever claimed.
states that it is better to lynch strong town players because they are more likely to be primed, and because they still get to talk.
Votes Eevee kinda OMGUS.
stays on his scum doesn't rolefish side. I don't agree with this. It is more likely that they rolefish than town. Plus WIFOM
"well, lately every game has an day 1 wagon on me, so you can read up on those if you want to." This quote is the scummiest of all of his posts. This is something I have used as a defense when I'm scum.
I completely agree with his case on RR.
Says ash wouldn't forget that there are 3 scum. ss also doesn't seem like the type to forget this either...
The emoji case on RR is pretty crappy though. His other points were good.
says yuma is town
says RR's defense post is scummy. I think it was "That is one of the most disingenuous, manipulative, unreasonable, and overall scummy defenses that I've ever read"
Votes for Joseph
starts going for Joseph a little harder.
D2:
Gets mad because of the "derphammer". I don't think it was a derphammer at all. This emotion reads fake to me.
Oh he then catches himself. Still doesn't read super genuine to me.
proposes the virtual voting system. Town points.
votes for Awaclus
Says RR is getting townier. I would like to hear more from him about that
Overall, ss goes on the scummier side for me. Kinda like Eevee, I would be easily swayed to see him as townier. I'll do an overall conclusions post after this one.
PPE
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Wow just did a post by: search for myself to find my last posts to look over. Sorry I haven't been more present this game.
Anyway overall conclusions:
I'm sticking to my assumption that there is one scum onwagon, and one offwagon. So from the off wagon group, from scummy to townie, we get RR >> ashersky >> Hydrad. Hydrad has a strong town read from me, ash has the weird and might be scummy read, and RR doesn't seem like himself, and everything he has done has been scummy (obviously an exaggeration)
In the on wagon group, we have ss = Eevee >>> yuma = Awaclus. Overall, I would probably put Hydrad in with yuma and Awaclus and ash in with ss and Eevee.
Partner interactions that make sense: I don't think this is super important yet. It would help to prove or debunk my assumption that we have one onwagon and one off wagon.
My hope is that these rereads will help people to want to go back and do rereads of their own. At the very least, they should spark some discussion.
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I don't understand why saying that every game recently had a day 1 wagon on me is scummy if it's true. Any reason except 'I did it as scum?'
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oh nice rereads! you get town points for that. like 134.6 points.
judging by your rereads I kinda agree with silver here and like Vote: ash the most.
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I'd like to hear about how RR is getting scummier, too.
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Been away all day yesterday (Saturday), will post properly later today (it's 4am here, and I only just got home)
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I don't understand why saying that every game recently had a day 1 wagon on me is scummy if it's true. Any reason except 'I did it as scum?'
I also think it is a weak defense. Saying I've been town every time other people vote for me so I'm townie this time implies you only get a wagon on you when you are town. Which means that when you are scum you won't have a wagon on you D1? I'm going to sleep right now, so I hope that made sense
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ash, I get the feeling that you generally like to active lurk until something controversial comes up. Do you agree with this?
And what are your thoughts on other players, and why?
No. Activity level depends on the game and setup, but I don't wait for controversy, ever.
I already called the scum team. Still feel good about it.
I'd be fine lynching either you or RR. Fairly certain there.
you have been thinking I am scum in every game recently, and you have always been wrong. Why are you still confident?
I will be right eventually.
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“Silence!” shouted Treeson suddenly. “Enough! There is only one thing we can do. We must call on the humans to cut us down, one after another. Only then can we expose the evil that is lurking within some of us to the light of day. We will decide by a vote.” A single tear, in the form of sap, slowly rolled down Treeson’s trunk. “My only hope is that by the end of this horrible experiment some of us are still alive.”
I, uh, wow. We are doing this voluntarily?
So - is Treeson is one of the players, isn't he? What do you guys think about a flavor claim?
Not necessarily everyone, just whoever Treeson is.
Here's the post that told me you were scum.
You are a smart guy, man. You won that crazy probability argument. So this post is all sorts of wrong for you specifically. I think you faked specific things in this post to project an innocent version of yourself.
--grammar mistakes (you are a grammar meanie to others all the time) make you seem younger and more honest. Think of it as Mafia baby talk. It's the cutesy defense.
--lack of understanding how the flavor works. Acting ignorant of basic facts has always been a scum tactic. The flavor names in the opening flavor can clearly be deduced to be all the players --it's simple math, which you are awesome at, as proven by haddock.
--surprise (the I, uh, wow thing). Another move to seem less threatening, like a dog rolling over.
You made a super calculated evil early post. You are scum.
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Yay, everyone thinks I'm scum again. This is fantastic.
Probably because you are scum again.
“Silence!” shouted Treeson suddenly. “Enough! There is only one thing we can do. We must call on the humans to cut us down, one after another. Only then can we expose the evil that is lurking within some of us to the light of day. We will decide by a vote.” A single tear, in the form of sap, slowly rolled down Treeson’s trunk. “My only hope is that by the end of this horrible experiment some of us are still alive.”
I, uh, wow. We are doing this voluntarily?
So - is Treeson is one of the players, isn't he? What do you guys think about a flavor claim?
Not necessarily everyone, just whoever Treeson is.
Here's the post that told me you were scum.
You are a smart guy, man. You won that crazy probability argument. So this post is all sorts of wrong for you specifically. I think you faked specific things in this post to project an innocent version of yourself.
--grammar mistakes (you are a grammar meanie to others all the time) make you seem younger and more honest. Think of it as Mafia baby talk. It's the cutesy defense.
--lack of understanding how the flavor works. Acting ignorant of basic facts has always been a scum tactic. The flavor names in the opening flavor can clearly be deduced to be all the players --it's simple math, which you are awesome at, as proven by haddock.
--surprise (the I, uh, wow thing). Another move to seem less threatening, like a dog rolling over.
You made a super calculated evil early post. You are scum.
This is crazy. As far as I can tell as an English-as-a-foreign-language (which I assume is what silver is as well), there is one "grammar mistake" in the post ("is Treeson is") and that looks like he originally wrote a different sentence structure, then changed his mind but accidentally left the first "is" there, not like he actually thought "is Treeson is one of the players, isn't he?" is correct. There might be more grammar mistakes in the post that are actually grammar mistakes, but if I can try to look for mistakes in the post and not see them, it's very plausible that he would just really make those mistakes too.
Being bothered to count things is not the same as being good at math. I'm pretty good at math, but I didn't have any idea how many different flavor names were mentioned in the opening flavor even though I read it.
The "I, uh, wow" thing seems to be just a stylistic thing that silverspawn does a lot. (by the way I just had a deja vu)
Unfortunately I don't think this is an alignment tell for you. Actually I'm not even sure if you're being serious here.
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I'm getting an increasingly scummy feeling on ashersky. And kgriek seems a lot townier after the rereads.
Hydras is different than I'd expect, less active and more.. subdued. I still feel RR is town because he feels like town, not really what he says but how he says it. Awaclus has been a voice of reason
all game, my intuition has been to trust it but that's probably wrong.
Calling ash-awaclus for the alphabetical scum team.
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I'm 99% sure silverspawn is a North American native english speaker. I'm 85% sure he's American.
He's a very deliberate player who would absolutely fake the little things in order to pass as town. Go see all his scum games for how much he thinks and analyzes his moves.
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Also, you are more than welcome to lynch me. I have to believe that the ability to drive everyone insane is going to be amplified greatly by not being vote-able.
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I'm 99% sure silverspawn is a North American native english speaker. I'm 85% sure he's American.
well... I'm actually a German.
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I'm 99% sure silverspawn is a North American native english speaker. I'm 85% sure he's American.
well... I'm actually a German.
Really? Huh. You keep odd hours.
And why are you so hardcore on the English grammar, then? Seems a bit presumptuous of you.
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I'm 99% sure silverspawn is a North American native english speaker. I'm 85% sure he's American.
well... I'm actually a German.
Really? Huh. You keep odd hours.
And why are you so hardcore on the English grammar, then? Seems a bit presumptuous of you.
Actually, the more I think about it, the more I am disgusted by the way you've treated some of the other players on here.
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I appreciate that you are actually making this case.
Awaclus' analysis is pretty on point. I'd call the second 'is' an editing error rather than a grammatical error, and I don't really see the point of scum!me to fabricate an editing error, because town!me still hasn't learned to use the preview button and does them all the time.
As for the flavor part
--lack of understanding how the flavor works. Acting ignorant of basic facts has always been a scum tactic. The flavor names in the opening flavor can clearly be deduced to be all the players
The point I was making in that post was this:
- There are nine trees mentioned in the OP, two of them with evil people inside.
- There is one tree who has a specific role as 'leader' of the tree group in the OP.
- We don't know how igu chose which two trees have the evil people.
- If he didn't randomize it, then whether or not he made Treeson one of them isn't, well, random.
I don't see how that is invalidated by anything.
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I'm 99% sure silverspawn is a North American native english speaker. I'm 85% sure he's American.
well... I'm actually a German.
Really? Huh. You keep odd hours.
That is true ;_;
And why are you so hardcore on the English grammar, then? Seems a bit presumptuous of you.
Actually, the more I think about it, the more I am disgusted by the way you've treated some of the other players on here.
Oh... sorry.
I do it as a sort of, uhm, joke, or a parody. I don't take the corrections seriously myself, although I admittedly have never thought about what others think about them. I didn't think it was a big deal.
And I think I tend to correct people who I'm positive are fine with it.
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I don't really understand how me not being a native speaker makes correcting people worse, though.
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Awaclus' analysis
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And kgriek seems a lot townier
What have you done to make people misspell your name, gkrieg?
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Awaclus' analysis
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Awaclus' analysis
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Forgive me for poor grammar, but wouldn't it be Awaclus's analysis?
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I thought both was correct and that s' is prettier than s's. Let me look it up.
Yeah, seems like that. (http://www.grammarbook.com/punctuation/apostro.asp)
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That said, I'm not sure what you're trying to achieve, care to fill me in?
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That said, I'm not sure what you're trying to achieve, care to fill me in?
Apparently you disgust people because you correct their grammar or something. My eyes tend to glaze over when I'm reading about personal issues. But I was attempting to lighten the mood by showing even SS can make mistakes and we can all be adults about it, move on, and lynch an arsonist.
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I was kinda losing interest in this game... and the current conversation makes me have even less interest... Grammar? Who cares?
{copy editors, English teachers, authors, scientists, legislators, lawyers, A.P. English students, journalists, judges, astronauts, generals, Presidents, computer programers, web designers, doctors, etc, etc, etc, etc}
but we aren't currently in any of those capacities. We are trees. So... yawn.
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I was kinda losing interest in this game... and the current conversation makes me have even less interest... Grammar? Who cares?
{copy editors, English teachers, authors, scientists, legislators, lawyers, A.P. English students, journalists, judges, astronauts, generals, Presidents, computer programers, web designers, doctors, etc, etc, etc, etc}
but we aren't currently in any of those capacities. We are trees. So... yawn.
At this point, only five of us are trees.
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I see. I didn't start the grammar debate, but since ash has personal issues with it, I think it's worth discussing. Mafia generally works better if the players don't hate each other. That indirectly helps town, too.
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Well throw a pine cone at me when that discussion is over then?
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Well throw a pine cone at me when that discussion is over then?
I think it might already be over!
who do you think is scum?
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Well throw a pine cone at me when that discussion is over then?
I think it might already be over!
who do you think is scum?
Or more recent - what do you think about ash's case on me?
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Well throw a pine cone at me when that discussion is over then?
I think it might already be over!
who do you think is scum?
Looks completely based off one solitary post at the beginning of the game. Characteristic of ash, but meaningless toward alignment of either player. I was going to ignore it and see if it would dissipate on its own because I don't see much utility in getting into a big long slog of a discussion with ash (which is why I want a pinecone thrown at me)... but since you asked...
Or more recent - what do you think about ash's case on me?
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Well throw a pine cone at me when that discussion is over then?
I think it might already be over!
who do you think is scum?
Or more recent - what do you think about ash's case on me?
Trying to respond to that again correctly:
Looks completely based off one solitary post at the beginning of the game. Characteristic of ash, but meaningless toward alignment of either player. I was going to ignore it and see if it would dissipate on its own because I don't see much utility in getting into a big long slog of a discussion with ash (which is why I want a pinecone thrown at me)... but since you asked...
Or more recent - what do you think about ash's case on me?
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I see. I don't think a case that is solely based on one post is necessarily bad though, that's why I asked. I just don't agree with this particular one.
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I see. I don't think a case that is solely based on one post is necessarily bad though, that's why I asked. I just don't agree with this particular one.
Depends on the particular post. There have been others. This one, first post of the day, setup speculation, devoid of anything real (when there have been other posts that have had something to look at by yourself and others) doesn't really meet that criteria for me.
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I think ashersky might be scum here.
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How about vote: ash then?
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I think ashersky might be scum here.
I agree!
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I'm getting an increasingly scummy feeling on ashersky. And kgriek seems a lot townier after the rereads.
Hydras is different than I'd expect, less active and more.. subdued. I still feel RR is town because he feels like town, not really what he says but how he says it. Awaclus has been a voice of reason
all game, my intuition has been to trust it but that's probably wrong.
Calling ash-awaclus for the alphabetical scum team.
Ya i'm usually kinda lurky even if I wish I wasn't. but this game its worse then the others for some reason.
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This is too many people agreeing too fast here. I think this makes me feel townier about ash.
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I was kinda losing interest in this game... and the current conversation makes me have even less interest... Grammar? Who cares?
{copy editors, English teachers, authors, scientists, legislators, lawyers, A.P. English students, journalists, judges, astronauts, generals, Presidents, computer programers, web designers, doctors, etc, etc, etc, etc}
but we aren't currently in any of those capacities. We are trees. So... yawn.
Ex-English Students, too, given my degree.
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I think ashersky might be scum here.
Scummy move, just tossing around suspicion without voting.
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I don't really understand how me not being a native speaker makes correcting people worse, though.
Generally, I've never seen any of your corrections as jokes, or even very nice. But, well, some people have the authority to make those kinds of statements. Being a non-native speaker does not disqualify you, so I'm sorry if it seemed like you being German was the issue, but given what we know about you as a person (math degrees, math expertise, etc.) I didn't think you also had obtained any credentials that would give you the authority.
I'd say that, in my long experience speaking English with non-native speakers, that the grammar skills of those people are generally much better than native speakers, especially Americans. I'll also point out that not once do I recall those non-native speakers berating anyone I know for mistakes in English, or even when I've spoken theirs.
Now, you say you never meant any harm with your reprimands, and I'll take your statement at face value and just believe you. But you should know that I saw it differently upon reading, so it may be possible that others did as well.
This issue is over as far as I'm concerned.
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Well throw a pine cone at me when that discussion is over then?
I think it might already be over!
who do you think is scum?
Or more recent - what do you think about ash's case on me?
Looks completely based off one solitary post at the beginning of the game. Characteristic of ash, but meaningless toward alignment of either player. I was going to ignore it and see if it would dissipate on its own because I don't see much utility in getting into a big long slog of a discussion with ash (which is why I want a pinecone thrown at me)... but since you asked...
If yuma hadn't just recently been scum twice, I'd say he's scummy here. He knows me well enough not to do this.
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Now, you say you never meant any harm with your reprimands, and I'll take your statement at face value and just believe you. But you should know that I saw it differently upon reading, so it may be possible that others did as well.
Yeah. There have been a number of examples recently wherein people understand stuff I say differently than I intended it to (mostly taking jokes seriously), so the problem probably lies on my end.
I'll just stop doing this particular thing. Unless it's Hydrad.
So the ash wagon. It does ramp up really quickly. Although town wagons sometimes do that. Hm.
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I think I like vote: Eevee a bit better than ash.
I'm getting an increasingly scummy feeling on ashersky. And kgriek seems a lot townier after the rereads.
Hydras is different than I'd expect, less active and more.. subdued. I still feel RR is town because he feels like town, not really what he says but how he says it. Awaclus has been a voice of reason
all game, my intuition has been to trust it but that's probably wrong.
Calling ash-awaclus for the alphabetical scum team.
This is just going too much with the stream.
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So the ash wagon. It does ramp up really quickly. Although town wagons sometimes do that. Hm.
*town wagons as in wagons driven by town
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If yuma hadn't just recently been scum twice, I'd say he's scummy here. He knows me well enough not to do this.
I mean... I don't think you should find me scummy regardless, but.... Huh?
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Well throw a pine cone at me when that discussion is over then?
I think it might already be over!
who do you think is scum?
Or more recent - what do you think about ash's case on me?
Looks completely based off one solitary post at the beginning of the game. Characteristic of ash, but meaningless toward alignment of either player. I was going to ignore it and see if it would dissipate on its own because I don't see much utility in getting into a big long slog of a discussion with ash (which is why I want a pinecone thrown at me)... but since you asked...
If yuma hadn't just recently been scum twice, I'd say he's scummy here. He knows me well enough not to do this.
What do you mean by this?
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I think I like vote: Eevee a bit better than ash.
I'm getting an increasingly scummy feeling on ashersky. And kgriek seems a lot townier after the rereads.
Hydras is different than I'd expect, less active and more.. subdued. I still feel RR is town because he feels like town, not really what he says but how he says it. Awaclus has been a voice of reason
all game, my intuition has been to trust it but that's probably wrong.
Calling ash-awaclus for the alphabetical scum team.
This is just going too much with the stream.
I'd say it's consistent with my earlier reads.
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Vote: Ashersky
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I think I like vote: Eevee a bit better than ash.
I'm getting an increasingly scummy feeling on ashersky. And kgriek seems a lot townier after the rereads.
Hydras is different than I'd expect, less active and more.. subdued. I still feel RR is town because he feels like town, not really what he says but how he says it. Awaclus has been a voice of reason
all game, my intuition has been to trust it but that's probably wrong.
Calling ash-awaclus for the alphabetical scum team.
This is just going too much with the stream.
I'd say it's consistent with my earlier reads.
consistent isn't towny.
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Neither is lying about your reads. So those are mine. :)
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Neither is lying about your reads. So those are mine. :)
But how do you read people when you already know everyone's alignment?
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Neither is lying about your reads. So those are mine. :)
But how do you read people when you already know everyone's alignment?
No, when did you stop beating your wire senator?
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Neither is lying about your reads. So those are mine. :)
Emojis.
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Been away all day yesterday (Saturday), will post properly later today (it's 4am here, and I only just got home)
Make that tomorrow.
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PS I know I'm being the most useless IC ever, sorry
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PS I know I'm being the most useless IC ever, sorry
No offense, but without a vote, it's hard to be useful.
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PS I know I'm being the most useless IC ever, sorry
No offense, but without a vote, it's hard to be useful.
1) that's not true
2) Joseph effectively has a vote
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PS I know I'm being the most useless IC ever, sorry
No offense, but without a vote, it's hard to be useful.
1) that's not true
2) Joseph effectively has a vote
I still don't understand how that works.
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PS I know I'm being the most useless IC ever, sorry
No offense, but without a vote, it's hard to be useful.
1) that's not true
2) Joseph effectively has a vote
I still don't understand how that works.
easy. if someone is at L-1 and Joseph's vote is on him, he gets lynched.
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When playing with fire, remember, safety first
Vote Count 2.1:
Roadrunner (2): Ashersky, Gkrieg
Ashersky (3): Hydrad, Eevee, Roadrunner
Eevee (1): silverspawn,
Not Voting (2): Yuma, Awaclus
With 8 alive, it takes 5 to lynch. Day 2 ends on Friday, December 18 at 9AM forum time.
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PS I know I'm being the most useless IC ever, sorry
No offense, but without a vote, it's hard to be useful.
1) that's not true
2) Joseph effectively has a vote
I still don't understand how that works.
easy. if someone is at L-1 and Joseph's vote is on him, he gets lynched.
I suppose we can be a little flexible about accidental hammers though?
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PS I know I'm being the most useless IC ever, sorry
No offense, but without a vote, it's hard to be useful.
1) that's not true
2) Joseph effectively has a vote
I still don't understand how that works.
easy. if someone is at L-1 and Joseph's vote is on him, he gets lynched.
How is that person lynched? What if people get cold feet?
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PS I know I'm being the most useless IC ever, sorry
No offense, but without a vote, it's hard to be useful.
1) that's not true
2) Joseph effectively has a vote
I still don't understand how that works.
easy. if someone is at L-1 and Joseph's vote is on him, he gets lynched.
How is that person lynched? What if people get cold feet?
are you trying to complicate things? I'll hammer him if I'm off wagon.
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Me too.
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Yeah.
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Okay, I guess I will too.
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One more dead day. Lets go vote: RR
vote: RR
vote: RR
vote: RR
vote: RR
vote: RR
vote: RR
vote: RR
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Vote Count 2.2:
Roadrunner (2): Ashersky, Gkrieg (Gkrieg, Gkrieg, Gkrieg, Gkrieg, Gkrieg, Gkrieg, Gkrieg, Gkrieg)
Ashersky (3): Hydrad, Eevee, Roadrunner
Eevee (1): silverspawn,
Not Voting (2): Yuma, Awaclus
With 8 alive, it takes 5 to lynch. Day 2 ends on Friday, December 18 at 9AM forum time.
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thanks for that
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Maybe I'll know learn to spell it.
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Everyone (including the stump) get a vote down! Ought to help with picking up our activity, give us something to talk about.
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gogo asher wagon!
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vote: eevee
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Gkrieg is really a fan of OMGUSing me!
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I honestly feel every time I come back to mafia, things I deem constructive are seen as scummy by the players I respect the most, and they vote for me and no one ever trusts me, and I die early.
I'm probably better off not playing. I just really really suck at this game. My historical not dying record - especially as town - must be truly atrocious.
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I honestly feel every time I come back to mafia, things I deem constructive are seen as scummy by the players I respect the most, and they vote for me and no one ever trusts me, and I die early.
I'm probably better off not playing. I just really really suck at this game. My historical not dying record - especially as town - must be truly atrocious.
You have two votes on you. I hit the panic button, but you don't have to. This post is scummy though.
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It's not panic, it's frustration for my repeated uselessness.
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Which of course is a scum manipulation tactic, what else.
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It's not panic, it's frustration for my repeated uselessness.
Scummy play /=/ uselessness
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My historical not dying record - especially as town - must be truly atrocious.
Eevee: Debuted in M3, May 27, 2012
Total games: 41* (Replaced Captain_Frisk in M16, yuma in M46)
Total posts: 4230.5
Town Wins/Games: 14/33
Scum Wins/Games: 5/7* (Won as Survivor with Mafia in M31)
Times Mislynched/Nightkilled as Town: 7/17* (Vengekilled in M22)
Times Lynched/Nightkilled as Scum: 3/1* (Daykilled in M52)
Correct lynches: 22
Mislynches as town: 24
Hammers: 5
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7 mislynches in 33 town games. Opposite of atrocious.
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I honestly feel every time I come back to mafia, things I deem constructive are seen as scummy by the players I respect the most, and they vote for me and no one ever trusts me, and I die early.
I'm probably better off not playing. I just really really suck at this game. My historical not dying record - especially as town - must be truly atrocious.
For someone who completely and totally fooled me and voltaire in that one game when you were scum with mail-mi... I would say that you most certainly do not suck at this game....
And I certainly want you to play. I mean... I would rather lose this game and have you stick around then win and have you not play anymore... but I am guessing you would rather me not do that just on principle.
But mostly I voted you because you told me to vote somewhere. I don't know where to vote right now and you seemed like a good candidate, what being without any votes...
Where should I vote if not on you?
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Real life frustration maybe coming across to the game, it's not all so grim of course. I love you guys!
I would suggest ashersky. He was ready to appear with statistics on a minutes notice (it's super cool you are keeping them, by the way), but his actual contributions in the game are very lacking. Acti-lurking as a scumtell aside, I think he is getting a pass on reputation of being very good and very hard to read for what is objectively a pretty scummy game.
I also think Hydrad being such a background player is very very weird, and doesn't fit what I'd expect of him at all. Anyone have any comment on either of these thoughts?
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vote: ashersky
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(L-1)
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what being without any votes...
Doesn't SS count as a registered voter?
PPE 3
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(L-1)
I'm going to echo you to prevent a derphammer L-1
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(L-1)
I'm going to echo you to prevent a derphammer L-1
This didn't make any sense. I tried to make the 'L-1' part big. Like this: L-1
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what being without any votes...
Doesn't SS count as a registered voter?
PPE 3
Apparently not...
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Vote Count 2.2:
Roadrunner (2): Ashersky, Gkrieg
Ashersky (4): Hydrad, Eevee, Roadrunner, Yuma [L-1]
Eevee (1): silverspawn,
Not Voting (1): Awaclus
With 8 alive, it takes 5 to lynch. Day 2 ends on Friday, December 18 at 9AM forum time.
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I also think Hydrad being such a background player is very very weird, and doesn't fit what I'd expect of him at all. Anyone have any comment on either of these thoughts?
I kinda turned into a background player the more I played. Part of it is I always get afraid that whatever i post could be seen as scummy and I don't know what I can bring to the table. So I end up not posting a bunch...
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intent to hammer
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intent to hammer
How can you have intent to hammer at L-1?
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because one more vote and he'll be lynched???
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because one more vote and he'll be lynched???
Why would you intend to instead of just doing it? If if you want to intend to hammer, why wouldn't you set a date for tomorrow?
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To prompt Ash to react with some urgency. It's a pressure play.
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vote: ashersky
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To prompt Ash to react with some urgency. It's a pressure play.
It worked.
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Thread Locked!
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Treestopher had... different priorities than the other trees. While they focused on tree-things, like pollination and photosynthesis, Treestopher always had his face in a book studying math and social theory. "Books!?" Treeson once yelled at him. "Books!? Do you have any idea where books come from!?" But nothing could turn Treestopher away from his passion.
Perhaps it was only natural that the other trees would suspect Treestopher somewhat at such a tense moment. When the votes stacked up, Treestopher decided rather than attempting to allay the suspicion, he would simply embrace the life of a stump. In fact, it was partially at his own bidding that the woodcutters came to cut him down.
Final Vote Count: Day 2
Roadrunner (1): Gkrieg
Ashersky (5): Hydrad, Eevee, Roadrunner, Yuma, Ashersky
Eevee (1): silverspawn,
Not Voting (1): Awaclus
With 8 alive, it took 5 to lynch. Ashersky was Treestopher the Tree.
Night 2 begins now and ends at 4:30PM on Tuesday, December 15.
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As the new day dawned, the scent of gasoline began to reek a little more in the grove, but the seven remaining trees still stood where they had been at the end of the day before. Although tension was high, there appeared to be good news also. During the night Treemail's stump had sprouted a twig!
Treevee pointed out the change first, and just as all the trees began to cheer for the beginning of Treemail's recovery, a red-tailed deer came into the grove, spotted the twig, and approached it to eat.
Unfortunately, the shouting of the trees only sounded like rustling leaves to the doe, and it ate its snack unmindful of the trees' resentment above. The road to recovery was going to be a long one indeed.
Day 3 begins now and ends at 4:30PM on Tuesday, December 22.
Notes:
1) This day is beginning an hour early as I will not have computer access in one hour.
2) A few people posted during the time the thread was locked; the posts were deleted. I have been notified that I can actually lock the thread, and in the future I will do so, so that this doesn't happen again. It is my opinion that the posts were honest mistakes, so there will be no penalty for them.
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Vote Count 3.0:
Not Voting (7): Awaclus, Gkrieg, Hydrad, Eevee, Roadrunner, Yuma, silverspawn
With 7 alive, it takes 4 to lynch. Day 3 will end on December 22 at 4:30PM forum time.
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and were back.
how many of us are lit on fire? lets hope 0!
otherwise this is getting scary D:
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actually this is potentially lylo right?
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anyways lets go.
Vote: awaclus for no real reason right now.
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actually this is potentially lylo right?
Don't think so. No more than two max are lit.
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anyways lets go.
Vote: awaclus for no real reason right now.
Worried about Lylo and then voting? No.
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actually this is potentially lylo right?
Don't think so. No more than two max are lit.
well if we lynch we will be at 6 and then burn 2 people and thats 4 people left. and so scum can stop lynches.
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anyways lets go.
Vote: awaclus for no real reason right now.
Worried about Lylo and then voting? No.
Hmm ya I guess I kinda forgot about that rule. I felt safer since there is still 7 people alive here so scum can't rush us down instantly. but really all it takes is one other towny to join.
Unvote
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vote: RR
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guys. why. what kind of lynch was that. I. what.
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And how on earth is self-hammering not anti town? did you just want to become an IC?
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That play could've lost us the game.
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well at least we know ash is town now.
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well at least we know ash is town now.
yeah...
okay, so. Today we need a different amount of votes to lynch someone than we'd need with the ICs alive (4 instead of 5), so I'd propose we actually use the system I explained yesterday. (http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=14331.msg551169#msg551169)
Doing it is quite easy - just vote with 'v0te: playername' instead of 'vote: playername'; all 9 of us can vote this way and we'll lynch whoever ends up at 5 v0tes. I'll keep v0te counts.
I strongly suggest doing this, because 2 - 5 - 2 is looking quite a bit better than 5 - 2
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Unfortunately my biggest scum read has somehow become my biggest town read. I guess v0te: Eevee
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V0te: Awaclus
and I agree with silver.
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And how on earth is self-hammering not anti town? did you just want to become an IC?
Why does ash constantly self - hammer? Can't see our helped us.
Ppe:1
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Unofficial Vote Count 3.1:
Eevee (1): silverspawn
Awaclus (1): Hydrad
Not Voting (7): ashersky, Joseph2302, Awaclus, gkrieg13, yuma, Eevee, Roadrunner7671
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V0te: Awaclus
and I agree with silver.
agreeing with me is always good!
why Awaclus though?
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now we make iguana have to double check all the votes to see if they are real or not. how fun.
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V0te: Awaclus
and I agree with silver.
agreeing with me is always good!
why Awaclus though?
I don't know. because I don't really have any actual scum reads so if that happens I default to awaclus because his playstyles are so similar for me so I can't tell the difference.
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I'm town.
Please, everyone still alive, go back and retread any post interacting with my, discussing me, disparaging me, etc. with that in mind.
I promise you scum finds me to be an easy player to call scummy without needing much to back it while also knowing I'm not THAT likely to get lynched.
That's your homework for now.
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teacher, teacher: when is the due date?
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teacher, teacher: when is the due date?
seriously? ash is an IC, he is supposed to make requests
policy v0te: yuma
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teacher, teacher: when is the due date?
seriously? ash is an IC, he is supposed to make requests
policy v0te: yuma
I think yuma was just kinda joking. but i could be wrong.
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teacher, teacher: when is the due date?
seriously? ash is an IC, he is supposed to make requests
policy v0te: yuma
requests are fine. But if you tell me to do homework, tell me when it is due by....
I don't mind doing work, but if you treat me like a kid... don't be surprised when I act like one.
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are you really refusing to cooperate just because ash used a flavorful expression?
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are you really refusing to cooperate just because ash used a flavorful expression?
I never said I would refuse to cooperate. What are you getting that from?
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I mean... look at my posts. I ask when the due date is? Doesn't that imply that I am going to do it...
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Due by bedtime. :)
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I mean... look at my posts. I ask when the due date is? Doesn't that imply that I am going to do it...
no, to me it implied that you were making fun of it and wouldn't do it.
what you're doing right now seems like backpedaling. not sure if that makes you scummy... probably not.
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Due by bedtime. :)
well then I am going to be late... work+commute+in-laws+sleep+commute+work+commute = not very much time to go back and reread... So I will do it, but probably not super soon...
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I mean... look at my posts. I ask when the due date is? Doesn't that imply that I am going to do it...
no, to me it implied that you were making fun of it and wouldn't do it.
what you're doing right now seems like backpedaling. not sure if that makes you scummy... probably not.
It is only backpedaling if you assume that I was making fun of it. Which I was. I am making fun of the "homework" wording... not the idea itself. But your assumption is still faulty. Have I ever not done work in game regardless of alignment?
I wouldn't say I am the king of rereads, but I would put myself up there among the current player pool...
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hm. okay.
v0te: Eevee
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Oh my god! This is just like the D1 flavor discussion; it's equally as useless.
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Oh my god! This is just like the D1 flavor discussion; it's equally as useless.
you are dead wrong. almost every situation in which people are emotional is valuable for reads.
I'm pretty glad the above thing happened.
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Oh my god! This is just like the D1 flavor discussion; it's equally as useless.
you are dead wrong. almost every situation in which people are emotional is valuable for reads.
I'm pretty glad the above thing happened.
I agree, although I don't find yuma scummy because of it. I think scum!yuma is more serious than this.
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I'm town.
Please, everyone still alive, go back and retread any post interacting with my, discussing me, disparaging me, etc. with that in mind.
I promise you scum finds me to be an easy player to call scummy without needing much to back it while also knowing I'm not THAT likely to get lynched.
That's your homework for now.
I agree, you seem to die quite early a lot, and I don't remember you being scum recently.
Right now, I'm thinking maybe Awaclus or Eevee is scum (maybe both).
Vtoe: Eevee I think
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Also, why don't we just not bold the non -votes, so it doesn't get confusing? Maybe use italics instead, e.g. Vote: Eevee .
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Also, why don't we just not bold the non -votes, so it doesn't get confusing? Maybe use italics instead, e.g. Vote: Eevee .
because we want to keep simple and I already suggested the v0te variant. italics would have worked just as well.
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italics is also easy to miss in a post. well easier then bolding. and people still sometimes don't notice a bolded vote.
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Plus if iguana does vote counts by searching vote:, he won't have problems with v0te:
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italics is also easy to miss in a post. well easier then bolding. and people still sometimes don't notice a bolded vote.
My main issue is my phone tries to autocorrect V0te to vote.
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Also, Request: V0te count, since I cba to count myself.
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uh sure
Unofficial Vote Count 3.2:
Eevee (1): silverspawn
Awaclus (1): Hydrad
Not Voting (7): Awaclus, gkrieg13, yuma, Eevee, Roadrunner7671, Joseph2302, ashersky
not much has happened, though. you didn't actually vote.
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uh sure
Unofficial Vote Count 3.2:
Eevee (1): silverspawn
Awaclus (1): Hydrad
Not Voting (7): Awaclus, gkrieg13, yuma, Eevee, Roadrunner7671, Joseph2302, ashersky
not much has happened, though. you didn't actually vote.
I v0ted Eevee.
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I'm town.
Please, everyone still alive, go back and retread any post interacting with my, discussing me, disparaging me, etc. with that in mind.
I promise you scum finds me to be an easy player to call scummy without needing much to back it while also knowing I'm not THAT likely to get lynched.
That's your homework for now.
I appreciate this, and definitely take responsibility for pushing your lynch.. but why wouldn't town do it? We are wrong all the time.
Awaclus has in my opinion played one of the townier games, why are we voting him? Are we voting me just because I've been on both wagons?
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I don't really see how ash was scummy, so I'm more inclined to suspect people on that wagon.
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He wasn't contributing despite reading the thread closely, seemed scummy to me although mistaken. I don't see how this couldn't be a case of scum sitting back and smiling as town shoots itself on the foot.
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The stats post argument you made was especially wrong, given it's well-known I've been working on a statistical record of mafia for ages.
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I v0ted Eevee.
Vtoe: Eevee I think
this is neither a vote nor a v0te, but you're welcome to revote.
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Comments about ash day 1 - there is this
Either ss-awa or Yuma-eevee for sure.
Joseph is the third in both cases. Game solved.
Do you have any theory ideas for the setup?
a lack of setup discussion from ash is very unusual
and me saying that I believe your slip
There's also some RR <-> ash back and forth, but it's all about RR.
Awaclus says he doesn't like your wagon
Interestingly enough, I'm actually completely fine with all of the current wagons except for ash. Silver is not as good as RR or Joseph, though.
And that's all. Probably more day 2...
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v0te: RR as well. I'll put together another case on him if you guys want.
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v0te: RR as well. I'll put together another case on him if you guys want.
I would like that.
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RR:
My new point is that if you look at RR's voting history in games where he is town, you will see that he has a hard time voting for people. He usually has to be told by people to vote somewhere. If you just look at D1 of this game, he votes for 3 different people and is always voting for someone. D2, he is the 3rd person to vote. It is very uncharacteristic of him. Look at switch mafia, he claims multiple times he will wait to vote. I'll look into other games later.
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RR:
My new point is that if you look at RR's voting history in games where he is town, you will see that he has a hard time voting for people. He usually has to be told by people to vote somewhere. If you just look at D1 of this game, he votes for 3 different people and is always voting for someone. D2, he is the 3rd person to vote. It is very uncharacteristic of him. Look at switch mafia, he claims multiple times he will wait to vote. I'll look into other games later.
That's because I was a noob! I'm not a noob anymore!
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I v0ted Eevee.
Vtoe: Eevee I think
this is neither a vote nor a v0te, but you're welcome to revote.
Stats thing seems odd and scummy to me, so V0te: Eevee.
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Why is it scummy?
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might have time to do the homework tonight...
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I would point out I assigned this because I can't do it myself. You have to look for something in a new light, a light I could already see.
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Looking at all of the wagons that went to L-1 or further
Vote Count 1.1:
silverspawn (3): Awaclus, Eevee, Gkrieg, Ashersky (L-1)
Awaclus (1): Yuma
Eevee (2): Roadrunner, silverspawn
Ashersky (1): Joseph2302
Not Voting (1): Hydrad
With 9 alive, it takes 5 to lynch.
Day 1 ends on December 12 at 11:00 a.m. forum time.
Vote Count 1.3:
silverspawn (2): Ashersky, Eevee
Eevee (2): Yuma, Roadrunner
Ashersky (1): Joseph2302
Roadrunner (4): Awaclus, silverspawn, Gkrieg, Hydrad (L-1)
Not Voting (0):
With 9 alive, it takes 5 to lynch.
Day 1 ends on December 12 at 11:00 a.m. forum time.
Thread locked
Vote Count 1.Final:
Gkrieg (3): Roadrunner, Joseph2302, Hydrad,
Joseph2302 (5): silverspawn, Yuma, Gkrieg, Eevee, Awaclus
silverspawn (1): Ashersky
With 9 alive, it took 5 to lynch.
Joseph was lynched. He was Tree and now is Tree Stump
Night 1 ends on December 12 at 11:00 a.m. forum time. Night actions are due in 24 hours
Treestopher had... different priorities than the other trees. While they focused on tree-things, like pollination and photosynthesis, Treestopher always had his face in a book studying math and social theory. "Books!?" Treeson once yelled at him. "Books!? Do you have any idea where books come from!?" But nothing could turn Treestopher away from his passion.
Perhaps it was only natural that the other trees would suspect Treestopher somewhat at such a tense moment. When the votes stacked up, Treestopher decided rather than attempting to allay the suspicion, he would simply embrace the life of a stump. In fact, it was partially at his own bidding that the woodcutters came to cut him down.
Final Vote Count: Day 2
Roadrunner (1): Gkrieg
Ashersky (5): Hydrad, Eevee, Roadrunner, Yuma, Ashersky
Eevee (1): silverspawn,
Not Voting (1): Awaclus
With 8 alive, it took 5 to lynch. Ashersky was Treestopher the Tree.
Night 2 begins now and ends at 4:30PM on Tuesday, December 15.
Analysis to follow
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So yuma and Eevee were the only two on both of the mislynches. Neither of them were on the RR L-1.
The biggest thing I have is a strong town read on Awaclus.
Ash made his wagon analysis a little more difficult with the self-hammer.
Assuming both scum were on the last mislynch, we need one person that wasn't on the first mislynch, and were on the second.
This leaves yuma or Eevee, and RR or Hydrad.
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I don't get those assumptions.
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I don't get those assumptions.
They seem to be biased towards Gkreig's scumreads.
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I don't get those assumptions.
They seem to be biased towards Gkreig's scumreads.
Well they target 4 people out of 6, so I don't see how they are super biased. I have a town read on ss and Awaclus because of this analysis is pretty much what I got out of it.
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I don't get those assumptions.
They seem to be biased towards Gkreig's scumreads.
Well they target 4 people out of 6, so I don't see how they are super biased. I have a town read on ss and Awaclus because of this analysis is pretty much what I got out of it.
Fair enough, I suppose. With stumping, it's hard to remember how many people are really alive.
And do you think comparing my play in Switch to this game is fair? I've evolved rapidly since then.
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Vote Count 3.2:
Not Voting (7): Awaclus, Gkrieg, Hydrad, Eevee, Roadrunner, Yuma, silverspawn
With 7 alive, it takes 4 to lynch. Day 3 will end on December 22 at 4:30PM forum time.
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I'd like re-reads of yuma by everyone, including yuma.
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Vote Count 3.2:
Not Voting (7): Awaclus, Gkrieg, Hydrad, Eevee, Roadrunner, Yuma, silverspawn
With 7 alive, it takes 4 to lynch. Day 3 will end on December 22 at 4:30PM forum time.
Thanks
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I'd like re-reads of yuma by everyone, including yuma.
before or after the reread of you...?
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I'd like re-reads of yuma by everyone, including yuma.
before or after the reread of you...?
After. Everyone is behind.
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Rereading yuma, 62 posts which I'm guessing is around average. I'm pointing out things I find noteworthy / potentially helpful.
First "real" contribution about another player, not theory or flavor or RVS is suspicion on me for saying it's scummy silver isn't saying he is town (with a vote).
it is a problem because it focuses on what was not said instead of what was said.
one is exclusionary and is thus more susceptible to manipulation. the other is limited. there are lots of things people don't say, and it is easy to find that scummy. it is much harder to find things that people have said scummy, if you are scum trying to get someone else lynched.
Then saying RR is scummy for his reaction to emojigate.
then saying Joseph is coming out the scummiest from the silliness (and voting for him in the next post)
RR uses "i'm an aggressive person" as a defense, and yuma disagrees that that's true.
Votes for me when I ask people to vote someone.
After I weep for getting votes and explain my suspicion on ash, he changes his vote to ashersky (L-1).
Nothing of interest (to me) today yet.
Conclusion: I don't know, I would say he isn't very engaged in the game yet, as you'd expect to see stronger opinions and pushing them more from yuma. I wouldn't say that's a scum trait for him since he is very good at playing an aggressive scum game. Actually being town would probably most correlate with having problems with effort and interest levels. yuma wouldn't be my lynch choice for today.
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I'd like re-reads of yuma by everyone, including yuma.
Should I do another one?
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I'd like re-reads of yuma by everyone, including yuma.
Should I do another one?
No.
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I'd like re-reads of yuma by everyone, including yuma.
I will do this, but I'm upset that you make an anti-town play then expect us to comply to your demands.
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I'd like re-reads of yuma by everyone, including yuma.
I will do this, but I'm upset that you make an anti-town play then expect us to comply to your demands.
Oh well. That's the price you pay to have an IC that cares.
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Okay, ash mentions day 2
ashersky:
claims he will counterclaim anyone that claims treeson. Could mean that he is treeson. Could mean he is ash.
votes for ss
wants the hammer on ss
calls two 3-person scum teams with Joseph on each of them. Calls everyone but Hydrad, RR, and me on one of the teams.
Says he would've hammered RR.
votes RR for not voting for Joseph ever
goes back to voting for ss
asks for a mass claim
D2:
votes for RR
Revotes for RR for having the fake "I thought we lynched gkrieg instead of Joseph"
Interesting thing here is that there isn't that much substance to his posts. There isn't any theory talk to be had, so that might be one reason. He only votes for RR and ss, both people he has a history of voting for. He might be trying to emulate his meta, or he might just think they are scum this game. Overall null read on him. Nothing too scummy, and nothing too towny.
that is sort of non-commital while painting you as scummy, but I agree with the post, so I can't really give scum points for it
ash actually comes off scummiest in your rereads. vote: ash
ah. did I mention that I agreed with him?
oh nice rereads! you get town points for that. like 134.6 points.
judging by your rereads I kinda agree with silver here and like Vote: ash the most.
this is prob worse, but not by much.
I'm getting an increasingly scummy feeling on ashersky. And kgriek seems a lot townier after the rereads.
Hydras is different than I'd expect, less active and more.. subdued. I still feel RR is town because he feels like town, not really what he says but how he says it. Awaclus has been a voice of reason
all game, my intuition has been to trust it but that's probably wrong.
Calling ash-awaclus for the alphabetical scum team.
now this is actually bad.
then yuma dismisses your case on me
I think ashersky might be scum here.
this is null
I think ashersky might be scum here.
I agree!
this I'd say makes the above hydrad thing null, too
This is too many people agreeing too fast here. I think this makes me feel townier about ash.
interesting
then I say your wagon ramps up too quickly and switch to Eevee. that's obv!town
The biggest things I'm taking away from this are a scum read on Eevee and a town read on gkrieg. I think I'm voting for Eevee already? but not sure. v0te: Eeevee
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Unofficial Vote Count 3.3:
Eevee (2): silverspawn, Joseph2302
Awaclus (1): Hydrad
Roadrunner7671 (1): gkrieg13
Not Voting (5): Awaclus, yuma, Eevee, Roadrunner7671, ashersky
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I'd like re-reads of yuma by everyone, including yuma.
I will do this, but I'm upset that you make an anti-town play then expect us to comply to your demands.
Oh well. That's the price you pay to have an IC that cares.
Better than the other IC, who hasn't done anything...
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I'd like re-reads of yuma by everyone, including yuma.
I will do this, but I'm upset that you make an anti-town play then expect us to comply to your demands.
Oh well. That's the price you pay to have an IC that cares.
Better than the other IC, who hasn't done anything...
Come play!
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V0te: Gkrieg
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I'd like re-reads of yuma by everyone, including yuma.
I will do this, but I'm upset that you make an anti-town play then expect us to comply to your demands.
Oh well. That's the price you pay to have an IC that cares.
Better than the other IC, who hasn't done anything...
Come play!
I'm on annual leave from work starting tomorrow, until 4 Jan, so should be more active.
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starting homework:
ash stuff:
Please, everyone still alive, go back and retread any post interacting with my, discussing me, disparaging me, etc. with that in mind.
I promise you scum finds me to be an easy player to call scummy without needing much to back it while also knowing I'm not THAT likely to get lynched.
ash votes for ss - back and forth with him for a bit
Joseph jokes about Kim Jung-Un, back and forth vote disintegrating into RVS
silver comments about how it went back to RVS
ash put ss at L-1
ash calls eevee-yuma team or ss-awa team with joseph as third
eevee asks ash if he has any theory ideas about the setup, says ash finds scum in people that posted recently
awaclus says ash/ss faked townslips
eevee talks about how doesn't think it possible to think there were 3 scum in 9 player game
ss reiterates that it is unlikely that ash forgot about the 2 scum setup thing
ash explains that he made that assumption after ss talked about it first, silver buys that explanation
I say in response to eevee that ash not talking setup is unusual, eevee responds that ash hadn't read the setup
ash says he would have hammered RR
ash says there wasn't any setup theory to talk about, ash states joseph is town since only 2 scum on the team
back and forth with RR about RR being town and not on scum teams ash predicted
ash/ss have a back and forth about RR's defense
ash calls awaclus unhelpful
bakc and forth with RR about whether or not he is scum
awaclus not ok with an ash lynch
gkrieg doesn't respond to ash asking why he voted for gkrieg
RR refuses to vote for Joseph, ash votes him- have back and forth
ash votes for ss - worst case he is a tree stump IC, suggests mass claim - awaclus says no
Day2:
Discussion about how the treestump should vote with awaclus and ss
ashs says rr's confusion about the lynch is fake, votes RR, revotes him after RR responds
(PS) I figured out why I can't see Eevee's avatar. It only occurs when I am at work. I think my company blocks the site that is hosting the picture, or the site that Eevee obtained the picture from... or something. Cause I can see it at my house and I can't see other pictures on f.DS occassionally when at work)
gkrieg rereads ash - calling out lack of substance and only voting for RR and ss
ss says ash comes off scummiest from gkrieg's reread, talks to ash about lurking til something controversial comes up. talk about that concept, talks more about how ash always suspects ss
hydrad votes ash from gkrieg's reread
grammar mistake debate (glossing over this again)
eevee has increasinly scummy reads on ashersky
ash says he looks forward to driving everyone crazy when town (hasn't happened yet ash...)
i say I don't like ash's case on ss from the grammar stuff above
rr says ash might be scum
eevee votes for ash
gkrieg says too many people agreeing, makes him feel townier on ash
ash says I should know him too well to think he would do this... still not sure what the "this" was...
rr votes for ash
ash calls out eevee for the historical record thing
I vote for ash
gkrieg intents to hammer...
ash self votes
tl:dr
This was really weird. I kept needing to remind myself that ash wasn't scum as generally we do rereads of dead players when they are scum looking for partners. Not as much looking for interactions with dead town players... maybe we should. This will be interesting case study to see if this is effective or not for future rereads in future games....
So things I noticed: awaclus was pretty much absent from anything surrounding the ash getting lynch discussion. He just kinda avoided it all together. Everyone else was involved somehow... gkrieg starting the case (but not voting), hydrad, eevee following the case and voting (ss too, but he eventually unvoted), I voted and then ash hammered... I think scum!awaclus does something there. I don't know what... but I dont' think he completely ignores it.
gkrieg I found perplexing. started the case which gets others to vote, but doesn't vote himself. says he sees him townier, but then intents to hammer... There are some players that I think could have a scum narrative for this behavior, but I don't think gkrieg fits that mold.
i would say eevee/hydrad are most suspect. they use gkrieg's case for a vote, but apparently aren't concerned that the person who created it isn't voting. I don't know if they are both scum here, but they both responded pretty similarly (ss did as well, but eventually left the wagon, so I don't know if this applies as much to him). That makes me feel like they are less concerned about whether or not the case was created with genuinity or not and more about whether or not it was a safe place for their vote.
Based off this alone I would be more likely to vote for one of them, but would probably want to look closer at both to determine which one...
But first I get to reread myself in the next little bit...? Yay!
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Day two is ending soon, I don't really want an Eevee lynch, but it won't cause me to lose sleep or anything.
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how many days do we have?
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Day two is ending soon, I don't really want an Eevee lynch, but it won't cause me to lose sleep or anything.
Why not? He has a great case on him!
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With 7 alive, it takes 4 to lynch. Day 3 will end on December 22 at 4:30PM forum time.[/color]
We still have like 5 days. No worries.
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With 7 alive, it takes 4 to lynch. Day 3 will end on December 22 at 4:30PM forum time.[/color]
We still have like 5 days. No worries.
Oh, I found December 18 and got all panicky.
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Day two is ending soon, I don't really want an Eevee lynch, but it won't cause me to lose sleep or anything.
Why not? He has a great case on him!
Great? Can you tell me the 'great' part? The case is fairly solid, but I wouldn't throw words around like 'great.'
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Ok maybe not great, but I want to hear your reasoning for not wanting to lynch him.
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Ok maybe not great, but I want to hear your reasoning for not wanting to lynch him.
Because I don't see him as scum. It's not clear to me. This is probably because I have never played with Eevee, but I just don't see it.
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Reread of me...
I'd like re-reads of yuma by everyone, including yuma.
- RVS implying scum team is awaclus/ss followed by a vote
- flavor discussion with ss
- voted eevee for suspecting ss because he didn't say he was town in his defense and because it focused on what wasn't said rather that what was said
- states lack of setup discussion by ash is unusual
- talks about RR's use of emoticons. Found multiple as a reaction slightly scummy
- talks with RR about his meta
- felt joseph was scummy from his reaction in regard to the ss wagon, I think, and then votes him
- silly talk with RR about sheep
- talks with RR more about his meta and then with ss about voting for joseph
Day2
- states concern with the IC voting plan
- notes that RR said he thought we lynched gkrieg instead of joseph
- stops following grammar argument
- responds to ss asking about ash's case on him.
- votes eevee cause eevee wanted non voters to vote
- responds to eevee's post asks who to vote for
- votes ashersky
Day3
- asks when assignment is due
- responds to ss about misguided suspicion over doing the assignment
- does the ash assignment
- does the other ash assignment
- comments about doing the ash assignment
- comments about commenting about doing the ash assignment
- comments about commenting about commenting about the ash assignment
- comments about commenting about commenting about commenting about doing the ash assignment
So obviously I am town...
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PS: that was also really weird. I haven't fully reread myself like that in a game before (at least not while it was in process. I don't know if I did a very good job though as I wasn't really sure what the purpose was for me... But if it works or helps somehow maybe I'll do it again at some point in another game as town.
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Wow Yuma, you talked to RR a lot. So now perhaps you have an accurate read on him (nudge, nudge)?
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Wow Yuma, you talked to RR a lot. So now perhaps you have an accurate read on him (nudge, nudge)?
only one way to find out!
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Wow Yuma, you talked to RR a lot. So now perhaps you have an accurate read on him (nudge, nudge)?
only one way to find out!
Should I claim?
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Yuma's rereads were convincing. But I think I wanna v0te: Hydrad from them
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oh boy rereads... I guess i'm not allowed to just read their rereads and use that...
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oh boy rereads... I guess i'm not allowed to just read their rereads and use that...
This seems scummy, just wanting to copy others rather than forming your own opinion.
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oh boy rereads... I guess i'm not allowed to just read their rereads and use that...
This seems scummy, just wanting to copy others rather than forming your own opinion.
Its more just being lazy. and I didn't mean I would come to the same outcome. I was more just thinking since they posted what happened I'd just analyze the short version and come to a conclusion from that. But I'll still try to do a reread anyways.
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oh boy rereads... I guess i'm not allowed to just read their rereads and use that...
This seems scummy, just wanting to copy others rather than forming your own opinion.
pretty sure that's not scummy.
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Wow Yuma, you talked to RR a lot. So now perhaps you have an accurate read on him (nudge, nudge)?
only one way to find out!
Should I claim?
Didn't you already claim? I thought I read that in my reread.l.
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RR claimed VT.
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Wow Yuma, you talked to RR a lot. So now perhaps you have an accurate read on him (nudge, nudge)?
only one way to find out!
Should I claim?
Didn't you already claim? I thought I read that in my reread.l.
So RR wants to claim again?
Go for it, if it's a different claim to last time then we'll no doubt lynch you as scum.
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oh boy rereads... I guess i'm not allowed to just read their rereads and use that...
This seems scummy, just wanting to copy others rather than forming your own opinion.
Its more just being lazy. and I didn't mean I would come to the same outcome. I was more just thinking since they posted what happened I'd just analyze the short version and come to a conclusion from that. But I'll still try to do a reread anyways.
Fair enough
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Wow Yuma, you talked to RR a lot. So now perhaps you have an accurate read on him (nudge, nudge)?
only one way to find out!
Should I claim?
Didn't you already claim? I thought I read that in my reread.l.
Yes I did!
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ok reread people talking about ash. I guess ss and eevee are my top scum reads now. I would say eevee is a bit ahead of ss for scumminess to me. Although it worries me that I think hes already the biggest wagon. Could be scum silver going for the win?
now for a yuma read
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yuma is a slight town read from my reread. he seems slightly disinterested at times and i think he would be a bit more interested if he was scum. and nothing he really said screamed scum to me.
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Wow Yuma, you talked to RR a lot. So now perhaps you have an accurate read on him (nudge, nudge)?
only one way to find out!
Should I claim?
Didn't you already claim? I thought I read that in my reread.l.
Yes I did!
???
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Wow Yuma, you talked to RR a lot. So now perhaps you have an accurate read on him (nudge, nudge)?
only one way to find out!
Should I claim?
Didn't you already claim? I thought I read that in my reread.l.
Yes I did!
???
did you randomly bold inbetween your ???'s?
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oh i get it now...
your smart.
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oh i get it now...
your smart.
you're for silver. I think... I hope?
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Also gkrieg is pretty town in my eyes. I don't remember if I said that already.
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Also. I'll do a scummy list cause I'm bored but slightly motivated.
Eevee > silver >> awaclus > roadrunner >> Yuma >>> gkrieg
more >>> = bigger difference. But I think you could of figured that out yourself.
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With that said. V0te: ss
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V0te: Eevee
I'm 99% sure I didn't hammer, but if I did, don't count it. I'm not trying to hammer, I'm trying yo force a claim.
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oh i get it now...
your smart.
you're for silver. I think... I hope?
You're is correct here
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V0te: Eevee
I'm 99% sure I didn't hammer, but if I did, don't count it. I'm not trying to hammer, I'm trying yo force a claim.
I think he has 3 votes, maybe 4
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With 5 being the hammer number
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V0te: Eevee
I'm 99% sure I didn't hammer, but if I did, don't count it. I'm not trying to hammer, I'm trying yo force a claim.
I think he has 3 votes, maybe 4
I counted 3 votes on Eevee (me, ss, RR)
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we should get more V0tes!
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Lynch SS please.
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v0te: ss
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V0te: Eevee
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Spotty access for the following 24 hours, but I'm the firefighter.
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Should the real firefighter counterclaim?
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Unofficial Vote Count 3.4:
Eevee (4): silverspawn, Joseph2302, Roadrunner7671 Awaclus {L-1}
Hydrad (1): gkrieg13
silverspawn (2): Hydrad, Eevee
Not Voting (2):yuma, ashersky
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Should the real firefighter counterclaim?
I guess he has to decide for himself? I'd say yes though
in any case, unv0te as we can't lynch a claimed firefighter if he's not counterclaimed.
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Lynch SS please.
you do know that you can v0te, right?
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this is exceedingly meh.
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Meh I like v0te: hydrad better, was really just sheeping ash to save myself but now that i've claimed, it's redundant.
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Meh I like v0te: hydrad better, was really just sheeping ash to save myself but now that i've claimed, it's redundant.
mh.
if you're really the ff, then my reads are kind of shitty this game :(
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as are mine, but hopefully we can still turn the ship around.
my frustration earlier had to do with anticipating having to claim earlier, and having a déjà vu about my reads and contributions seeming scummy to everyone when I play without a filter due to having a power role and a get out of lynch free card.
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Unv0te
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I think it's ss/Yuma, pending an eevee counter.
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I'm thinking about SS, but I'm not sold on that yet. Even so, Vote: SS
Pressure is good.
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I'm thinking about SS, but I'm not sold on that yet. Even so, Vote: SS
Pressure is good.
Pressure is good... just not on me.
also, this is a normal vote. it doesn't even pressure.
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I think it's ss/Yuma, pending an eevee counter.
I can guarantee you that that's false!
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Id rather lynch Yuma first. v0te: yuma
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Vote Count 3.4:
silverspawn (1): Roadrunner
Not Voting (6): Awaclus, Gkrieg, Hydrad, Eevee, Yuma, silverspawn
With 7 alive, it takes 4 to lynch. Day 3 will end on December 22 at 4:30PM forum time.
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Id rather lynch Yuma first. v0te: yuma
yuma is meh. I think his apathy is a town tell. Plus, I remember having town feelings on him day 1, although I don't remember why
I think I'd rather lynch Hydrad. Light-content no-presence Hydrad is scum-hydrad. It's mildly different from almost-mild-content low-presence Hydrad, which is town-hydrad. I think. v0te: Hydrad
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also, Eevee is an IC now, I guess. sheeping IC's is cool!
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I'd go back to Hydrad, I just thought that one of Eevee/yuma was scum, so with Eevee not being scum...
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I just thought that one of Eevee/yuma was scum
any particular reasoning behind that?
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noo I want to grow tall and strong. you can't chop me down I'm to young to die.
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also I was really debating claiming firefighter after so that scum wouldn't know who its safe to light on fire and stuff...
But then I realized no one would see it as that and that I would most likely just get lynched. Or even worse eevee would get lynched. But I wanted to try.
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also we can still murder ss!
trust me!
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also I was really debating claiming firefighter after so that scum wouldn't know who its safe to light on fire and stuff...
I don't really get what you mean.
But I might believe that you were about to fakeclaim, because it makes sense for scum to do here. I'd probably have pushed Eevee over you.
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also we can still murder ss!
trust me!
The question is not so much whether or not you can, the question is whether or not it's good.
And it is good... for scum. probably game ending.
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also I was really debating claiming firefighter after so that scum wouldn't know who its safe to light on fire and stuff...
I don't really get what you mean.
But I might believe that you were about to fakeclaim, because it makes sense for scum to do here. I'd probably have pushed Eevee over you.
my theory was that right now scum have a free firelighting on eevee that they know can't be protected. So I was going to be like ahha I'm a firefighter also but lets not lynch either of us. And then scum would be like whoa now I don't have a safe person to light on fire anymore. Hydrad is so good at this game.
Although 2 points made me not. First if I did claim that and then said lets not lynch either of us if people did believe that then its pretty obvious that I'm the VT one since no actual firefighter would claim to not lynch the other.
point 2 is that you probably wouldn't believe me and i'd just die or eevee and that would be bad.
although this is making me think maybe its worth it in other games... as ones with a night kill and no roleblocking if you don't kill either doctor even if one is scum that just means your doctor will not get nightkilled for a bit since once they do that you can just lynch the other player... This is genius!
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Actually, that might be a relevant line of thought
if we assume that 2 people are dripping with oil right now, then, uh. how many more days do we have to win?
so...
5/2/2 -L> 4/2/2 -NK> 3/3/2
Ah, it looks like if we mislynch today, we are at MyLo tomorrow... I think?
I guess scum can't quite all-out push whatever mislynch they can manage, then. Still, I'd suspect them to be quite aggressive.
And I guess there can always be doctored people, but only scum knows...
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also I was really debating claiming firefighter after so that scum wouldn't know who its safe to light on fire and stuff...
I don't really get what you mean.
But I might believe that you were about to fakeclaim, because it makes sense for scum to do here. I'd probably have pushed Eevee over you.
my theory was that right now scum have a free firelighting on eevee that they know can't be protected. So I was going to be like ahha I'm a firefighter also but lets not lynch either of us. And then scum would be like whoa now I don't have a safe person to light on fire anymore. Hydrad is so good at this game.
ah, I see. I hadn't even thought about the fact that the firefighter thing is a safe target.
you're right, I think, but the fact that you thought this true prob means you're scum.
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also it can be mylo right now i'm pretty sure.
we have 7 alive. we lynch town and are at 6. then 2 get burned.
we wake up with 2 town and 2 scum.
GG D:
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also I was really debating claiming firefighter after so that scum wouldn't know who its safe to light on fire and stuff...
I don't really get what you mean.
But I might believe that you were about to fakeclaim, because it makes sense for scum to do here. I'd probably have pushed Eevee over you.
my theory was that right now scum have a free firelighting on eevee that they know can't be protected. So I was going to be like ahha I'm a firefighter also but lets not lynch either of us. And then scum would be like whoa now I don't have a safe person to light on fire anymore. Hydrad is so good at this game.
ah, I see. I hadn't even thought about the fact that the firefighter thing is a safe target.
you're right, I think, but the fact that you thought this true prob means you're scum.
Or I'm just a thoughtful person!
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uh. You're right, my stats are all wrong. it's only 3 non-targeted townies alive, not 5.
so it's 3/2/2 -L> 2/2/2 -NK> 2/0/2
assuming no-one was doctored.
uw :(
all the more reason to lynch scum.
Hydrad, are you sure that you're a tree?
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uh. You're right, my stats are all wrong. it's only 3 non-targeted townies alive, not 5.
so it's 3/2/2 -L> 2/2/2 -NK> 2/0/2
assuming no-one was doctored.
uw :(
all the more reason to lynch scum.
Hydrad, are you sure that you're a tree?
I'll double check my PM one sec.
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Oh look at that. I'm totally a firefighter. that says we should not lynch eevee or me!
nah I'm just a lonely tree.
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V0te: Hydrad
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Unofficial Vote Count 3.5:
Eevee (2): Joseph2302, Awaclus
Hydrad (3): Eevee, silverspawn, Roadrunner7671
silverspawn (1): Hydrad
yuma (1): gkrieg13
Not Voting (2):yuma, ashersky
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V0te: Hydrad
:'(
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Busy saturday. Skimming and not counter claiming.
Be back tomorrow.
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V0te: Hydrad
:'(
Emojis?
Rev0te: Hydrad
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Hmm although if ss is scum I feel like we may have lynched someone they set on fire since he didn't think it's mylo.
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Hmm although if ss is scum I feel like we may have lynched someone they set on fire since he didn't think it's mylo.
doesn't really matter, because I'm not scum
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Hmm although if ss is scum I feel like we may have lynched someone they set on fire since he didn't think it's mylo.
doesn't really matter, because I'm not scum
Ya that's what I'm starting to think... But then I'm kinda left with. Awaclus. And roadrunner? That doesn't make much sense to me. I guess Yuma or gkrieg could still be scum but I am feeling good about them.
So I'm still kinda left with you.
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Still saying yuma + SS.
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Man, Mafia really quiets down with the holidays and all.
We can't massclaim (I mean we could, but why?) so what are we looking to get out of this before we lynch? A scumslip from someone?
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Sigh okay. Let me reread Hydrad. It wouldn't be the first time that I change my mind about him in a reread.
two early posts:
the weirdest part about this game is we will not be able to tell how close to lylo we are. and even scum won't fully know.
I'm excited to see how it goes.
also on the whole treeson claiming thing I think I'm slightly with ss on this one. but only to the point that I would give treeson like 2% town cred for it. So for me I guess it would almost do nothing for me reads unless I somehow see 2 people equally as likely as scum.
So overall it doesn't matter one way or the other to me!
Then a bit of Hydrad-y back and forth
votes Eevee -> ss -> RR -> gkrieg. Not on the day 1 lynch wagon.
Here is actually a more detailed summary from gkrieg:
Chimes in on Treeson claiming
Agrees with lynching all of the strong players (then votes for me!)
votes for Eevee
Then unvotes because he agrees on his case for ss.
votes for RR
Says the firefighter should claim early to get a 2-day IC. I kinda agree with this logic.
Goes back to giving Eevee a non-townie read.
Votes for me
says the hammer is interesting
Hasn't posted at all D2
request prod on Hydrad
Then after the gkrieg re-read he says this
oh nice rereads! you get town points for that. like 134.6 points.
judging by your rereads I kinda agree with silver here and like Vote: ash the most.
He's actually leading on the ash wagon
Very little stuff day 2 thoguh
oh boy rereads... I guess i'm not allowed to just read their rereads and use that...
ok reread people talking about ash. I guess ss and eevee are my top scum reads now. I would say eevee is a bit ahead of ss for scumminess to me. Although it worries me that I think hes already the biggest wagon. Could be scum silver going for the win?
now for a yuma read
IC and IC the top 2 scumreads? (okay, this isn't actually a big scum tell)
So, early on I thought that was a bit more town-hydrad because his posts were kind of opinionated. But day 2+ is worse, he has just very little content there. Also quite opportunistic.
He supposedly did a reread though...
yuma is a slight town read from my reread. he seems slightly disinterested at times and i think he would be a bit more interested if he was scum. and nothing he really said screamed scum to me.
but then doesn't post anything except 'slight town read'? Although I do agree with disinterested!yuma being slightly more likely to be town!yuma
... although that's really only a general thing. I don't even know if it's specifically true for yuma.
Ah, now that I said that he actually does post some content near the end:
Also gkrieg is pretty town in my eyes. I don't remember if I said that already.
Also. I'll do a scummy list cause I'm bored but slightly motivated.
Eevee > silver >> awaclus > roadrunner >> Yuma >>> gkrieg
more >>> = bigger difference. But I think you could of figured that out yourself.
The problem is that this kind of content is really easy to fabricate, because it's not backed up. Also, I think this was pretty in line with the consensus? Not sure. This game doesn't really have a clear consensus on who's scummy.
Well, even with it being easy to fabricate, I still think I give it mild town points.
Then there's this weird thing about wanting to claim firefighter. That's probably scummy. Why should town!hydrad even consider that.
Then he corrects my numbers. Already commented on that.
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so uhhh
town points for
- sort of content-y post style when he does post
- not being on the day 1 wagon
scum points for
- excessive lurkiness primarily during day 2
- pushing Eevee, ash, me. who're all town. Although I also pushed Eevee and ash so :/ ... still have to give scum points though
- strangely aware of game state and numbers
- agrees with me a lot despite suspecting me
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I don't feel amazing about gambling the game on this lynch, but would probably still lynch him over anyone else right now.
someone thinks there's a better alternative?
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oh and opportunistic-ness and aligned-with-common-opinion-ness is also a scum tell
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hum-de-dumb...
So I felt bad for not being able to get to this yesterday, but it appears I didn't miss much. But will respond to things needing responding to...
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did you randomly bold inbetween your ???'s?
Yes! Sometimes you need three question marks to convey your confusion, but don't want to use a stupid emoticon! I think scott pilgrim taught me that trick, so it isn't me that has the smarts...
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Spotty access for the following 24 hours, but I'm the firefighter.
Ok. So I didn't see anyone counter claim this, so eevee is off the table. I felt that hydrad and eevee were scummy for the same reason... quoting myself on this:
i would say eevee/hydrad are most suspect. they use gkrieg's case for a vote, but apparently aren't concerned that the person who created it isn't voting. I don't know if they are both scum here, but they both responded pretty similarly (ss did as well, but eventually left the wagon, so I don't know if this applies as much to him). That makes me feel like they are less concerned about whether or not the case was created with genuinity or not and more about whether or not it was a safe place for their vote.
But now that one is town it makes me wonder if it isn't actually scummy. Maybe Eevee can help? Eevee, what is your town narrative, since you are apparently town, for the above. Do you think there is a scum narrative for what you/hydrad did?
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I'd go back to Hydrad, I just thought that one of Eevee/yuma was scum, so with Eevee not being scum...
Why did you think that, again?
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Still saying yuma + SS.
Noted.
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Still saying yuma + SS.
Noted.
How do you feel about lynching SS?
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Still saying yuma + SS.
Noted.
How do you feel about lynching SS?
Hesitant.
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I'd go back to Hydrad, I just thought that one of Eevee/yuma was scum, so with Eevee not being scum...
Why did you think that, again?
Rereads are hard on a phone. I think it was because of wagon analysis.
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asher an IC wants to lynch ss so obviously you all have to. Stop your silly ideas of lynching Hydrad.
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Spotty access for the following 24 hours, but I'm the firefighter.
Ok. So I didn't see anyone counter claim this, so eevee is off the table. I felt that hydrad and eevee were scummy for the same reason... quoting myself on this:
i would say eevee/hydrad are most suspect. they use gkrieg's case for a vote, but apparently aren't concerned that the person who created it isn't voting. I don't know if they are both scum here, but they both responded pretty similarly (ss did as well, but eventually left the wagon, so I don't know if this applies as much to him). That makes me feel like they are less concerned about whether or not the case was created with genuinity or not and more about whether or not it was a safe place for their vote.
But now that one is town it makes me wonder if it isn't actually scummy. Maybe Eevee can help? Eevee, what is your town narrative, since you are apparently town, for the above. Do you think there is a scum narrative for what you/hydrad did?
I don't really understand this. Iirc, gkrieg did rereads on people, after seeing his summary of someone's play, I voted for them. I don't really need him to draw the same conclusions from the data than myself to vote, and I don't understand why it should matter to me.
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v0te: Hydrad
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Unofficial Vote Count 3.6:
Eevee (1): Joseph2302
Hydrad (4): Eevee, silverspawn, Roadrunner7671, Awaclus {L-1}
silverspawn (1): Hydrad
yuma (1): gkrieg13
Not Voting (2): yuma, ashersky
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I'm a little worried this Hydrad thing is driven by all the unknowns (from my perspective) and none of the IC's.
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I'm a little worried this Hydrad thing is driven by all the unknowns (from my perspective) and none of the IC's.
you are an IC from your perspective!
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I'm a little worried this Hydrad thing is driven by all the unknowns (from my perspective) and none of the IC's.
you are an IC from your perspective!
Only one on the wagon! Whereas Joseph and ash push other lynches (joseph inexplicably mine). Basically, out of the potential scum pool everyone but yuma, gkrieg and hydrad himself are on his wagon. Either there is bussing, or yuma or gkrieg is the partner.
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... or Hydrad is town.
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well, ash is always voting for me, so it's just Joseph
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I'm here! Don't prod me!
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I feel like this could be scum going for me since I'm not set on fire and then they potentially just win. But I don't really know how to defend myself here
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I feel like this could be scum going for me since I'm not set on fire and then they potentially just win. But I don't really know how to defend myself here
you could make a better case on someone else.
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Why haven't we really looked at Yuma?
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Spotty access for the following 24 hours, but I'm the firefighter.
Ok. So I didn't see anyone counter claim this, so eevee is off the table. I felt that hydrad and eevee were scummy for the same reason... quoting myself on this:
i would say eevee/hydrad are most suspect. they use gkrieg's case for a vote, but apparently aren't concerned that the person who created it isn't voting. I don't know if they are both scum here, but they both responded pretty similarly (ss did as well, but eventually left the wagon, so I don't know if this applies as much to him). That makes me feel like they are less concerned about whether or not the case was created with genuinity or not and more about whether or not it was a safe place for their vote.
But now that one is town it makes me wonder if it isn't actually scummy. Maybe Eevee can help? Eevee, what is your town narrative, since you are apparently town, for the above. Do you think there is a scum narrative for what you/hydrad did?
I don't really understand this. Iirc, gkrieg did rereads on people, after seeing his summary of someone's play, I voted for them. I don't really need him to draw the same conclusions from the data than myself to vote, and I don't understand why it should matter to me.
I guess that is fair. I think I took it that the two of you were agreeing with his assessment of ash, not just viewing the data that he presented. Because gkrieg presented him as scummy, but didn't vote for him...
Actually that isn't true. I had remembered incorrectly. gkrieg says this at the end:
Interesting thing here is that there isn't that much substance to his posts. There isn't any theory talk to be had, so that might be one reason. He only votes for RR and ss, both people he has a history of voting for. He might be trying to emulate his meta, or he might just think they are scum this game. Overall null read on him. Nothing too scummy, and nothing too towny.
I had remembered gkrieg finding ash scummy enough to vote but wanted to vote elsewhere and eevee/hydrad using the case that wasn't good enough as a reason to vote. But that isn't what happened.
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I'd go back to Hydrad, I just thought that one of Eevee/yuma was scum, so with Eevee not being scum...
Why did you think that, again?
Rereads are hard on a phone. I think it was because of wagon analysis.
Right that is what I meant. What made you think that from your wagon analysis. I'll find the pertinent quote:
So yuma and Eevee were the only two on both of the mislynches. Neither of them were on the RR L-1.
The biggest thing I have is a strong town read on Awaclus.
Ash made his wagon analysis a little more difficult with the self-hammer.
Assuming both scum were on the last mislynch, we need one person that wasn't on the first mislynch, and were on the second.
This leaves yuma or Eevee, and RR or Hydrad.
So I get that you made these assumptions, but I don't get how you got to those points. Why are you assuming both scum were on the last mislynch? What information do you have that would point in that direction? That is what I am asking...
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Why haven't we really looked at Yuma?
I think people have... I mean ash basically required people to look at me and a sizable group (inexplicably excluding ash himself) came away from that and found me townie...
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yuma, what do you think about the Hydrad case/lynch?
You seem to be avoiding the issue. It gives me scum partner vibes.
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yuma, what do you think about the Hydrad case/lynch?
You seem to be avoiding the issue. It gives me scum partner vibes.
How am I avoiding it...? I just barely asked Eevee to respond to what I felt was something scummy that both he and Hydrad did. But as mentioned above I misunderstood that situation.
So I don't know how I feel, I was leaning scummy on him but feel like that was based off me not understanding properly.
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mhhh
you also didn't vote.
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mhhh
you also didn't vote.
yes. I also didn't v0te. Which is two separate things...
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8 hours, huh? Well then.
vote: Hydrad
not that he's hammered by v0tes yet, but if time is running up, it's time to vote for real.
Mod note: this post is a response to my original mistaken post indicating that there were still eight hours left in the day.
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The original deadline for this day passed while I was moving across the country and had very limited internet access, so I was not able to warn people that the deadline was approaching. For this reason, I am going to add 24 hours to the day. If anyone has a problem with this, please send me a PM.
Vote Count 3.5:
silverspawn (1): Roadrunner
Hydrad (1): silverspawn
Not Voting (5): Awaclus, Gkrieg, Hydrad, Eevee, Yuma
With 7 alive, it takes 4 to lynch. Day 3 will end on December 24 at 9:30AM forum time.
Enough people have expressed that extending the deadline is incorrect. Day 3 ends in a no-lynch. Night 3 begins now and will end at 10AM forum time. My apologies for the awkwardness of the ending of this day.
Thread locked!
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Day 3 No Lynch Flavor:
The trees of the grove knew about the horrendous atrocities that occurred to pine trees around Christmas every year. Therefore, to honor the pine trees, they decided to hold a silent vigil rather than choosing one of their own to be cut down. Only time will tell whether this decision to honor the holiday spirit will help the trees find the arsonists or play into the arsonists' plan to destroy everything the trees hold dear.
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Day 4 begins now and ends at 12:00PM on Tuesday, December 31.
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Vote Count 4.0:
Not Voting (7): Awaclus, Gkrieg, Hydrad, Eevee, Yuma, Roadrunner, silverspawn
With 7 alive, it takes 4 to lynch. Day 4 will end on December 31 at 12:00PM forum time.
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Okay, that was weird.
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:(
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:(
I don't even have the will to call you out for emojis. This game is getting harder and harder for us trees.
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Well. Let's v0te: Yuma
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I would rather v0te: Hydrad
the fact that he was not hammered seems a pretty strong indication for his scuminess.
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Unofficial Vote Count 4.1:
Hydrad (1): silverspawn
yuma (1): gkrieg13
Not Voting (7): Hydrad, yuma, Eevee, ashersky, Joseph2302, Awaclus, Roadrunner7671
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How about using real votes? Clearly the system we had wasn't very good..
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How about using real votes? Clearly the system we had wasn't very good..
I agree, we should proper vote for Hydrad for the reason ss gave - he was V0te hammered
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vote: yuma
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Vote: Hydrad
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How about using real votes? Clearly the system we had wasn't very good..
It wasn't a problem with the system, the problem was that nobody realized the deadline was coming. Nobody was h4mmered either.
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Unofficial Vote Count 3.6:
Eevee (1): Joseph2302
Hydrad (4): Eevee, silverspawn, Roadrunner7671, Awaclus {L-1}
silverspawn (1): Hydrad
yuma (1): gkrieg13
Not Voting (2): yuma, ashersky
Oh, ss voted twice, so no hammer 🔨
I would have hammered with such little time to go in the day.
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Unofficial Vote Count 3.6:
Eevee (1): Joseph2302
Hydrad (4): Eevee, silverspawn, Roadrunner7671, Awaclus {L-1}
silverspawn (1): Hydrad
yuma (1): gkrieg13
Not Voting (2): yuma, ashersky
Oh, ss voted twice, so no hammer 🔨
I would have hammered with such little time to go in the day.
But I now need to work out whether or not I want to hammer now, given that we have more time, but potentially another person primed to be killed.
Also, V/LA Christmas & Boxing Days.
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Lynch SS now.
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vote: ss
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Lynch SS now.
If SS is town, I will carry this weight for several games, but Vote: SS
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How about using real votes? Clearly the system we had wasn't very good..
well, like Awaclus said, it clearly wasn't a problem with the system. If every v0te had been a vote, no-one would've been hammered either. saying otherwise is ignoring facts. You didn't realize the deadline was coming - and neither did I, of course - so we had a no-lynch.
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okay, let's forget the fact that there is not even a case on my for a moment.
Hydrad was on L-1 for several days. yuma could have hammered him. gkrieg could have hammered him. I believe at least one more person could have hammered him. One more dead town means we lose as Hydrad and I explained yesterday.
No-one did hammer hydrad. So either everyone off wagon was town, or the wagon was on scum... occam's razor says it's on scum
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at this point, it seems pretty clear tbh
vote: hydrad
we don't have to use the system if you don't want to. You never had to use it. You just chose to do so because it makes sense. If you don't want to make sense, fine.
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RR, how can you justify not voting for hydrad?
gkrieg, how can you justify not voting for hydrad?
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I would also wager to guess that either RR or gkrieg is hydrad's partner. Probably gkrieg.
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Remember that scum most likely only has to get one final mislynch through to win, and here we have a wagon forming on me for no reason at all. The chance that both people on it are town is pretty small.
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Remember that scum most likely only has to get one final mislynch through to win, and here we have a wagon forming on me for no reason at all. The chance that both people on it are town is pretty small.
Point taken. So you think Ashersky is just dead wrong?
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I'm pretty sure ashersky is right here.
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Remember that scum most likely only has to get one final mislynch through to win, and here we have a wagon forming on me for no reason at all. The chance that both people on it are town is pretty small.
Point taken. So you think Ashersky is just dead wrong?
well, I don't have to think. I know that he's wrong.
really, when I say that ash has been thinking I'm scum in every game recently, that's not me bashing ash or something like that. it's just the truth. you can look it up. Every game since our fight in whatwasitcalledmafia, he has been tunneling me. so... the fact that he's doing it now too is zero indication for my alignment.
and sure, he'll be right eventually. Maybe he's right next game. This game he's wrong.
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I'm pretty sure ashersky is right here.
I mean, you're scum. you don't have to think, you know that I'm town.
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It's also not like ash is even giving any reasons. If he made a good case, maybe I could buy that this is a wagon pushed by town.
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Your reaction is scummy here.
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Your reaction is scummy here.
it's called OMGUS
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(that is your reaction, not mine)
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(that is your reaction, not mine)
Sounds like desperate scum...?
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(that is your reaction, not mine)
Sounds like desperate scum...?
what sounds like desperate scum?
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(that is your reaction, not mine)
Sounds like desperate scum...?
what sounds like desperate scum?
You do.
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I mean, if you ignore facts and randomly choose someone to push, then sure.
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afaik I'm neither scum nor desperate, because I'm pretty confident that hydrad is going to be lynched. the evidence is there... you just have to look at it
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afaik I'm neither scum nor desperate, because I'm pretty confident that hydrad is going to be lynched. the evidence is there... you just have to look at it
If we lynch Hydrad and he's a tree, you're obv!scum. Do you realize this?
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afaik I'm neither scum nor desperate, because I'm pretty confident that hydrad is going to be lynched. the evidence is there... you just have to look at it
If we lynch Hydrad and he's a tree, you're obv!scum. Do you realize this?
uhm. I guess?
Doesn't really scare me though, because I'm pretty sure. I was moderately confident yesterday, and now I have that plus the fact that the lynch didn't go through plus what happened today. I'd say over 80%.
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Hydrad is a way better lynch than silverspawn.
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And so is RR.
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And so is RR.
Because I'm scummier or less helpful? Or both?
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Unvote
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No don't unvote. You were right!
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No don't unvote. You were right!
Gee, thanks. I don't think I will vote for you or SS until later in the day. I want no part in this debate.
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I think SS is the reason we didn't get a lynch yesterday. Scum loved the no lynch.
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I think SS is the reason we didn't get a lynch yesterday. Scum loved the no lynch.
I'm the reason you all forgot the deadline was approaching? Gee, I didn't realize I had those kinds of powers.
and it doesn't really make any sense, either. Hydrad was about to get lynched - whom you must think to be town. In what world does scum prefer no-lynch over town-lynch?
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I sort of don't want to say which way I'm leaning to not help out scum, but given it's pretty much a one or the other situation, is this the type of situation where we want to have only the IC's deciding?
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I sort of don't want to say which way I'm leaning to not help out scum, but given it's pretty much a one or the other situation, is this the type of situation where we want to have only the IC's deciding?
first you say my system that does nothing except to include the ICs into the voting process is bad, and then you say that you want to have just the ICs decide? How does that fit together?
since ash is an IC, this has a higher chance of resulting in a loss, so I don't like it.
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Upon making the first statement, it wasn't really a clear player A or player B situation (to me, anyways). Now votes don't really matter as much anyways, we just have to decide between lynching Hydrad and you it seems.
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That does make sense.
Okay, I'm pretty sure that thinking more about it will swing things in favor of a Hydrad lynch. I just don't like valuing someone's opinion more who's probably dead set on the wrong choice for the rest of the game.
If 1 scum is among Hydrad and me, there's just one more total around, so why not let everyone decide?
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Everyone includes scum, doesn't that objectively make it a worse decision making process for town?
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Everyone includes scum, doesn't that objectively make it a worse decision making process for town?
from your PoV, maybe. From mine, I already know that ash is voting for me, I have no idea what you and Joseph will think, so the chances are clearly worse than if everyone decides.
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Everyone includes scum, doesn't that objectively make it a worse decision making process for town?
from your PoV, maybe. From mine, I already know that ash is voting for me, I have no idea what you and Joseph will think, so the chances are clearly worse than if everyone decides.
Yeah, but we can't know you are town, so..
Obviously it's not my decision, but I think it's better if this is decided by town.
Ash, why are you so sure? I think silver is making a lot of sense, and Hydrad seems like the better vote. I trust your intuition better than mine (and I haven't done any rereads yet), but Hydrad not being lynched yesterday seems like a huge sign towards him being scum.
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Vote: Hydrad
It doesn't feel good, but I don't care. My gut is awful at anything.
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And so is RR.
Because I'm scummier or less helpful? Or both?
Because you're scum and he's not.
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when I get time today I think i'll actually be able to post a comment with content!
although it probably won't help.
It would also be hilarious if both me and ss are town. but I'm feeling pretty confident thats not the case.
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also SS/Awaclus is highest chance of scum team.
Just want to say that before the game ends.
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I think SS is the reason we didn't get a lynch yesterday. Scum loved the no lynch.
I'm the reason you all forgot the deadline was approaching? Gee, I didn't realize I had those kinds of powers.
and it doesn't really make any sense, either. Hydrad was about to get lynched - whom you must think to be town. In what world does scum prefer no-lynch over town-lynch?
In the situation where they can absolutely prime the firefighter without fear.
You came up with the fake voting system that kept people from casting real votes, which is why we didn't lynch anyone.
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I think SS is the reason we didn't get a lynch yesterday. Scum loved the no lynch.
I'm the reason you all forgot the deadline was approaching? Gee, I didn't realize I had those kinds of powers.
and it doesn't really make any sense, either. Hydrad was about to get lynched - whom you must think to be town. In what world does scum prefer no-lynch over town-lynch?
In the situation where they can absolutely prime the firefighter without fear.
You came up with the fake voting system that kept people from casting real votes, which is why we didn't lynch anyone.
Then he comes up with some excuse 'we wouldn't have hammered anyway,' which he can't be sure about and probably isn't true.
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I sort of don't want to say which way I'm leaning to not help out scum, but given it's pretty much a one or the other situation, is this the type of situation where we want to have only the IC's deciding?
I guess that would be true in a vacuum, but in this particular case, I'm inclined to believe that an IC is wrong.
You came up with the fake voting system that kept people from casting real votes, which is why we didn't lynch anyone.
What kept people from casting real votes was not the fake voting system, it was the fact that nobody got hammered under the fake voting system. The fake voting system did in no way contribute towards that being the case.
Then he comes up with some excuse 'we wouldn't have hammered anyway,' which he can't be sure about and probably isn't true.
We can totally be 100% be sure about it.
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ok content post hopefully. I dunno sometimes I try to make content and people don't count it and then when I feel like I'm posting fluff people say its content. So who knows. But anyways this is my thought process.
I think its Voltaire? or wait... no its someone with a red picture...P... I don't remember his name now? If I remember I'll say it.
Anyway POE is super good or something and this guy uses it.
Oh maybe its Pingpongsam? I dunno w/e I'm sure someone knows who i'm talking about.
Anyways I'm jumping to scum teams. I've never done this before but here goes.
SS/AWA seems like it just works.
SS/RR I feel like RR's reactions are really not a partner with SS at all.(also sorry silver I guess i'm doing SS capitals this time)
SS/Yuma also a scary one. I'd say this is the other one I'm worried about but awaclus just fits better in my mind. Yuma just feels townish to me this game.
SS/GK uhh GK is town to me so hes just safe.
Ok so what if SS isn't scum. Well it that case GG pretty much I'm guessing but I feel pretty good about why hes scum because I don't see many teams that work.
AWA/RR This one I feel like there could be a chance they are kinda just lurking through the game but I dunno why it just doesn't seem likely at all.
Awa/yuma. once again a kinda scary chance but I have a gut feeling that yumas town. Its really not based on anything I can think of right now.
AWA/GK NO stop it GK is town(if hes scum I feel super bad at this game though)
hmm how about RR?
RR/yuma? uhhh sure I guess... if AWA and SS were both town I guess I'd have to go here. but ya just not feeling it.
So thats pretty much why I think SS is scum. woo.
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When playing with fire remember to keep ice at your side
Vote Count 4.1:
silverspawn (1): Gkrieg
Hydrad (2): silverspawn, Roadrunner
Not Voting (4): Awaclus, Hydrad, Eevee, Yuma
With 7 alive, it takes 4 to lynch. Day 4 will end on December 31 at 12:00PM forum time.
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ah I see. everyone's so shocked by my towniness and amazed that they could ever see me as scum that they can't speak. I get that a lot.
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those random unsubstantiated town reads are scummy to me.
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Vote: Hydrad
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Vote Count 4.2:
silverspawn (1): Gkrieg
Hydrad (3): silverspawn, Roadrunner, Awaclus
Not Voting (3): Hydrad, Eevee, Yuma
With 7 alive, it takes 4 to lynch. Day 4 will end on December 31 at 12:00PM forum time.
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haven't really been following along, but a
vote: hydrad seems like the best thing to do at this point
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haven't really been following along, but a
vote: hydrad seems like the best thing to do at this point
That's the hammer 🔨 right?
Either way, I think either ss or Hydrad is scum
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haven't really been following along, but a
vote: hydrad seems like the best thing to do at this point
good job. With that you just sealed the death of all your fellow tree friends.
MUHAHAHAHAHAHA
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YOU WILL ALL DIE
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Either way, I think either ss or Hydrad is scum
you are right.
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Thread locked!
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With the arsonist's holding a larger and larger percentage of the vote, it was getting harder to find false trees among the grove. Even with the firefighter outing himself, little could be done when no one knew who was false and who was true. Finally, the trees turned on Treeofakind, taking his lovable character as hatred in disguise. But as the woodcutters came, it quickly became clear that they had been wrong once again. Now only time will tell whether the trees survive the night or their forest is lost forever.
Day 4 Final Vote Count:
silverspawn (1): Gkrieg
Hydrad (4): silverspawn, Roadrunner, Awaclus, Yuma
Not Voting (3): Hydrad, Eevee
With 7 alive, it took 4 to lynch. Hydrad was Treeofakind the Tree. N4 begins now and ends on December 28 at 11:30AM forum time.
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As the new day dawns, the arsonists come out in public, confident in their abilities to light the trees. Treebob the tree (AKA Roadrunner), and Treevee, the ancient tree housing Smoky the bear the firefighter (AKA Eevee) burst into spectacular flames like new year's fireworks. Treeson the tree (AKA Awaclus) also begins to crackle, but resists explosion due to the earlier efforts of Smoky the bear. Alas, it is not enough. After the fire, only Treeson and Treebeer (AKA Gkrieg13) remain standing. The arsonists, Larceny Larry (AKA silverspawn) and Angry Andy (AKA Yuma) dance around in gleeful abandon, delighted with themselves for proving to everyone that they are smarter than foliage.
The game is over. The mafia team of silverspawn and Yuma win in a flawless victory!
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Here are the quicktopics!
Speccy: http://www.quicktopic.com/51/H/VkSJSv8nqwCZF/p16.1
Mafia: http://www.quicktopic.com/51/H/NtfdhgePY7S/p55.39
Firefighter: http://www.quicktopic.com/51/H/cGp2fGccHQRR
Mod: http://www.quicktopic.com/51/H/yGdciYjPrtL
The MVP for this game is silverspawn. He played the role of false town leader well, and managed to divert the increasing attention toward lynching him throughout the game. MVP nod to the losing side goes to Ashersky, for calling the scum correctly and various other good plays.
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I feel like town was severely hurt by the holidays.
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I agree. I'm also glad my reads were decent this game.
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(that was to clear yuma, not to mock anyone)
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So, thanks for the mvp I guess, but I still have to address the flavor thing, because I do strongly disagree with the decision you made there, and it could have decided the game.
I was planing to fakeclaim firefighter since the start of the game...
For the trees!
I, uh, wow. We are doing this voluntarily?
sure, but that doesn't mean that they don't matter.
collective buddying! vote: Eevee
fire is evil. vote: Hydrad
flavor is relevant?
I am m pretty sure flavor is indicative of alignment unless the mod says otherwise.
good question. If I knew the answer, the game would be solved.
hey, we don't disagree.
I don't know what the point is.
The point is that I think Treeson's alignment may not be random and I like using evidence if it's there,
Okey, so. I think what that means is that lynching strong town players is better than it'd normally be, since now the drawback is smaller.
right. have you ever seen, in your entire career of mafia, a scum trying to rolefish?
and was looking forward to it if a good opportunity was to come up... which it did. I was under quite a bit of scrutiny but so was Eevee, and I was pretty confident that I would beat him in a 1 - 1 standoff. I was much less confident that I'd beat hydrad... which I did, but it was a greater risk.
But the firefighter also hides inside of a tree, and he has a unique flavor name, so if I claim firefighter and someone asks me for my flavor name, I'm rip.
I pm'd igu about this, and after a lot of back and forth, he still refused to give me a real fake name. He said I could use my 'normal' fakeclaim (i.e. treehugger), but treehugger is a pony (http://pre13.deviantart.net/ff10/th/pre/f/2015/145/b/c/treehugger__gala_vector_by_xxgenmaxx-d8trk1p.png) not a tree I don't think treehugger has any chance against a "real" name, since it's obviously one of the trees. My proposal was to do one of the following
- guarantee me that my real name sounds as firefighter-y as the firefighter's name (which I suspect isn't the case)
- give me the firefighter's flavor name
- make up another name that sounds as much as the firefighter as the ff's flavor name
But he didn't; in the end he just told me to make up my own name. I am terrible at making up names and didn't want to gamble my life on that, so I ended up not counterclaiming Eevee. I don't think that should have happened. I think the setup clearly intends the possibility for scum to fakeclaim firefighter.
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Regardless of balance, I also think it would have made the game more exciting.
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All I can say is that silverspawn's recounting of our conversation here is incredibly inaccurate to what actually occurred. I originally gave silverspawn the fake tree name "TreehuggeD," IE: a tree that has been hugged (by a treehugger). When he pointed out to me that he wanted to claim firefighter and didn't have a fake flavor name to use, and once I understood the problem sufficiently, I offered him the fake flavor name "TreehuggeR." IE: a person who hugs trees, which was the best flavor name I could think of for him, and the only one I could think of that would be able to stand up to the flavor claim I gave to Eevee, Smoky the Bear. I didn't want to give away Eevee's flavor name to silverspawn because I didn't tell Eevee that I would be doing this. I stand by that decision. It is unfortunate that I didn't think of how that could potentially skew the game before it happened, but I am a first time mod. Part of joining any first time mod's game is accepting that the mod may make mistakes and may not be able to 100% correct for them once the game has begun.
Anyway, silverspawn didn't like the name Treehugger because it had "tree" in it like all the other tree names. I then told him that I couldn't think of any other name for him besides that name, and if he didn't like the fake flavor claim that I offered him that he could use another one instead.
The way that silverspawn approached me throughout this interchange was haughty, arrogant and rude, and left me with a very distasteful modding experience. So the fact that he is bringing it up here now and continuing to berate me is really just par for the course. I do not think I will be modding again. I really have nothing else to say about this and will not be continuing this conversation.
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Since you seem to be very frustrated, I hope you're not offended by this at all, but I can understand silverspawn's frustration. In fact, I don't see why you couldn't have just given him Eevee's flavor name. In fact it looks like you thought about that:
I didn't want to give away Eevee's flavor name to silverspawn because I didn't tell Eevee that I would be doing this. I stand by that decision.
But how would this be unfair to Eevee or town? It should be assumed from the set-up that scum is allowed to counterclaim, and matching the flavor name makes that possible. Eevee will know that silverspawn is lying in either case, it's not like giving him a separate flavor name changes the outcome of the claim. So I think for sure the right call in that situation is to just give silverspawn Eevee's flavor name.
That being said, I also think silverspawn should have just gone with the name you gave him. I'm skeptical that his fake claim would have gotten him into any trouble at all. I mean I think it's just as likely for people to make the argument "Eevee is lying because his flavor name doesn't start with 'tree'" as "silverspawn is lying because his name starts with 'tree'".
Really the solution to all of this is to just post all flavor info in the thread before the game starts, at least for open games (I'm not calling out iguana specifically, a lot of mods do this).
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All I can say is that silverspawn's recounting of our conversation here is incredibly inaccurate to what actually occurred. I originally gave silverspawn the fake tree name "TreehuggeD," IE: a tree that has been hugged (by a treehugger). When he pointed out to me that he wanted to claim firefighter and didn't have a fake flavor name to use, and once I understood the problem sufficiently, I offered him the fake flavor name "TreehuggeR." IE: a person who hugs trees, which was the best flavor name I could think of for him, and the only one I could think of that would be able to stand up to the flavor claim I gave to Eevee, Smoky the Bear. I didn't want to give away Eevee's flavor name to silverspawn because I didn't tell Eevee that I would be doing this. I stand by that decision. It is unfortunate that I didn't think of how that could potentially skew the game before it happened, but I am a first time mod. Part of joining any first time mod's game is accepting that the mod may make mistakes and may not be able to 100% correct for them once the game has begun.
Anyway, silverspawn didn't like the name Treehugger because it had "tree" in it like all the other tree names. I then told him that I couldn't think of any other name for him besides that name, and if he didn't like the fake flavor claim that I offered him that he could use another one instead.
The way that silverspawn approached me throughout this interchange was haughty, arrogant and rude, and left me with a very distasteful modding experience. So the fact that he is bringing it up here now and continuing to berate me is really just par for the course. I do not think I will be modding again. I really have nothing else to say about this and will not be continuing this conversation.
I had fun and enjoyed you as mod. I disagree with ss on this one and English being his second language might influence how arrogant he sounds.
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This is why I don't use flavor in my games. Ultimately it ends up being a lot of work that a lot of people don't even read and can impact the game in a way that was not intended. In my opinion unless the setup was specifically designed to have flavor be meanibgful flavor should be strictly meaningless. That wasnt the case here, but that said, mod gets to make the rules.
Modding is hard and it isn't for everyone. There is a lot to it that isn't seen from the outside on even the simplist of games. I do think that our community could use more direction and guidelines on modding, but sometimes I get push back for that suggestion, and I don't see anything wrong with critiquing moderation choices because mistakes or correct rationales could be useful for future mods to learn from and reference.
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Also let it be known that scum!yuma is perfectly capable of lurking. All the games where I worked so hard and posted so much finally paid off. Not that I would have posted any more as town... This was a game where I just didn't have a lot of time nor incentive to post as much....
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Man...
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Modding is hard and it isn't for everyone.
I agree. I don't think modding is for me. I am not a detail person in the way that modding requires; that is what I found out by trying to mod this game. Thanks to everyone who came along for the ride anyway.
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One other take away from this game. Correct reads are nice. Getting people to believe in your reads and follow is nicer.
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At least I was right about one thing during this game.
It was when I expressed how truly, madly, deeply I suck.
Very gg scum.
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:(
ah well. was still fun. although i was wrong about yuma.
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Man, I was so incredibly right and was an IC and still no one listened.
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Man, I was so incredibly right and was an IC and still no one listened.
Lynch SS please.
I think it's ss/Yuma, pending an eevee counter.
Still saying yuma + SS.
Lynch SS now.
I think SS is the reason we didn't get a lynch yesterday. Scum loved the no lynch.
You might have been "incredibly" right, but I don't blame anyone for not listening to you. I mean looking at your posts from Day3/4 about ss and myself, you weren't all that convincing. It isn't like being an IC gives you automatically good reads...
You will have to ask the other townies why they didn't follow, but I would guess that it had something to do with your reads not being backed up by anything and the fear of them being based off a grudge held over from previous games.
Correct reads are nice. Getting people to believe in your reads and follow is nicer.
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Man, I was so incredibly right and was an IC and still no one listened.
Lynch SS please.
I think it's ss/Yuma, pending an eevee counter.
Still saying yuma + SS.
Lynch SS now.
I think SS is the reason we didn't get a lynch yesterday. Scum loved the no lynch.
You might have been "incredibly" right, but I don't blame anyone for not listening to you. I mean looking at your posts from Day3/4 about ss and myself, you weren't all that convincing. It isn't like being an IC gives you automatically good reads...
You will have to ask the other townies why they didn't follow, but I would guess that it had something to do with your reads not being backed up by anything and the fear of them being based off a grudge held over from previous games.
Correct reads are nice. Getting people to believe in your reads and follow is nicer.
It was all on purpose -- the way I usually play had not been successful at all. No one listened to me when I made actual cases and pushed super hard, so I changed my play style on purpose.
I did make a strong case on SS, which was ignored. I knew you were scum not based on any case but based on playing a million games with you. I knew SS was scum based on the case I made.
Had I been normal ash, no one would have listened to me. Go look at every game ever for proof. So I tried a different tactic -- call it fauststyle. I thought it might work given how much people sheep him. I guess no matter what I do or say, no matter how right I am, no one believes I'm any good at being town.
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All I can say is that silverspawn's recounting of our conversation here is incredibly inaccurate to what actually occurred. I originally gave silverspawn the fake tree name "TreehuggeD," IE: a tree that has been hugged (by a treehugger). When he pointed out to me that he wanted to claim firefighter and didn't have a fake flavor name to use, and once I understood the problem sufficiently, I offered him the fake flavor name "TreehuggeR." IE: a person who hugs trees, which was the best flavor name I could think of for him, and the only one I could think of that would be able to stand up to the flavor claim I gave to Eevee, Smoky the Bear. I didn't want to give away Eevee's flavor name to silverspawn because I didn't tell Eevee that I would be doing this. I stand by that decision. It is unfortunate that I didn't think of how that could potentially skew the game before it happened, but I am a first time mod. Part of joining any first time mod's game is accepting that the mod may make mistakes and may not be able to 100% correct for them once the game has begun.
I actually just didn't get that. I thought that my name was Treehugged, when you said it's treehugger, I thought that I had remembered it wrong and it was treehugger all along. I didn't think you were making it a new name.
I don't think that this changes that much, but yeah, that has been a misunderstanding.
The way that silverspawn approached me throughout this interchange was haughty, arrogant and rude, and left me with a very distasteful modding experience. So the fact that he is bringing it up here now and continuing to berate me is really just par for the course. I do not think I will be modding again. I really have nothing else to say about this and will not be continuing this conversation.
This is a pretty harsh accusation, especially because I tried to be as polite as possible. But instead of arguing, I'll just copy my messages here to let everyone else decide.
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Here are my messages (not including yours since you didn't give me permission):
Can you quote me the pm from the firefighter (without name, of course), or if not then tell me his flavor name? Otherwise I'm potentially handycapped when trying to fakeclaim.
You have a firefighter PM in the OP, but you also have an arsonist PM in the OP, and they're not identical (doesn't include my flavor name)
that's unfair. flavor is not supposed to give any faction an edge over another unless that's part of the design. You took a setup without flavor and added flavor that now gives town an advantage.
You gave us a tree fakeclaim, but not a firefighter fakeclaim. I should be able to 'safely' fakeclaim any role in the game, not just VT.
Like, let's say I claim firefighter. Then the real firefighter counterclaims me. He says his flavor name, asks me for mine. What do I claim?
My only other flavor name besides the tree fakeclaim is Larceny Larry. I have no idea where that name comes from or if it in any way indicates Arsonist over firefighter.
Thus, I need a flavor name that puts me on equal odds with the real firefighter in a claim - counterclaim scenario. Treehugger doesn't, and I'm not sure if Larceny Larry does.
It'd be sufficient to have a flavor name that's safe for claiming firefighter.
If you can guarantee that my flavor name is that, then that's fine.
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look, this is how it's going to go
- silver: Okay I have claim to make. I am the firefighter.
- B: vote: silver He is lying. I am the firefighter.
- C: silver, what is your flavor name? B, what is your flavor name?
- B: It's XXX
: silver: uhhh I don't know?
- everyone: okay silver is lying. let's lynch him
This is clearly not intended, which is why I need you to do one of the following three things:
- confirm that my real name and the firefighter's real name won't give anyone a clue about which one of us is the firefighter (if this is the case)
- tell me the firefighter's real name
- give me an adequate fake name that sounds equally like a firefighter than the firefighter's name does.
This really isn't a big deal. In the second or third game I modded, I forgot to tell scum the exact wincon of town players. they asked, I gave it to them, problem solved, everyone's happy.
I'm sorry, but this doesn't solve the problem at all.
Look. If you don't want flavor to matter, then the solution you are proposing does the opposite.
I am obviously not going to make this a discussion about flavor being that I'm scum, but others are probably going to do it, and as soon as anyone has the right idea to ask us about our flavor names, I would bet 100$ against 10$ that I am going to be lynched if I claim to be called 'Treehugged' while the firefighter has a real name.
Giving me the flavor name of the firefighter is in no way unfair. Of course I have the opportunity to claim it before he does - just like he has the opportunity to claim it before I do. Whoever claims first claims first. The only thing which is suboptimal about that is that you should have told the firefighter from the beginning that scum knows his name.
It'd probably go something like this - someone is going to wonder if scum knows the firefighter's real name, someone is going to ask in the thread, you are going to say yes, and we are on equal terms.
But you can easily sidestep the issue by making up a new name that sounds as authentic as the real one. I don't know why this is even a problem.
Okay, I got one letter wrong. It's not like this changes the issue in the slightest. 'Treehugger' won't compete with a name that doesn't have tree in its name. Claiming is still suicide.
Look. This is really a very simple issue with a very simple solution, but I assume you believe that I'm biased because I'm playing in this game. How about you ask someone outside of rhe game for advise? (faust is your best option, he's the second most active mod and isn't playing). If you explain him the situation he'll tell you to give me an adequate flavor claim.
Otherwise, your game is unfair. Dunno what else to say. You're really making a problem out of what should have been a simple answer.
I really don't think I was rude and didn't intend to be, but if others think so too, then please tell me, because that clearly means something is wrong with my way of writing
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Also note that I intentionally didn't bring this up at first (right after the game ended), because I wanted to give you the opportunity to present your side of the story before I do.
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That being said, I also think silverspawn should have just gone with the name you gave him. I'm skeptical that his fake claim would have gotten him into any trouble at all. I mean I think it's just as likely for people to make the argument "Eevee is lying because his flavor name doesn't start with 'tree'" as "silverspawn is lying because his name starts with 'tree'".
The problem is this: firefighter and arsonists are people who hide inside tree husks. This has been clear from the setup, and igu also posted this (http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=14331.msg549868#msg549868) picture.
I think there's a pretty good (maybe around 1/3) chance that no-one would have asked for the flavor thing, in which case I'm fine, but if someone does, I'm rip.
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and I still don't understand why you didn't just contact another mod for advise. Where's the problem with that?
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The problem is this: firefighter and arsonists are people who hide inside tree husks. This has been clear from the setup, and igu also posted this (http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=14331.msg549868#msg549868) picture.
I think there's a pretty good (maybe around 1/3) chance that no-one would have asked for the flavor thing, in which case I'm fine, but if someone does, I'm rip.
Well, treehugger can conceivably be a person and not a tree.
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The problem is this: firefighter and arsonists are people who hide inside tree husks. This has been clear from the setup, and igu also posted this (http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=14331.msg549868#msg549868) picture.
I think there's a pretty good (maybe around 1/3) chance that no-one would have asked for the flavor thing, in which case I'm fine, but if someone does, I'm rip.
Well, treehugger can conceivably be a person and not a tree.
that's what igu said, too. And yeah, he could, in a vacuum. But look at the flavor names in this game:
Treeboi
Treebeer
Treebob
Treehugged
Treemail
Treevee
Treeofakind
and now I say I'm called Treehugged, and Eevee says he's called something to the effect of Larry Larson. Do those names really sound equally likely?
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^ I'm called *treehugger
I kept switching them up ever since I got them
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Ultimately the problem is this:
A PR shouldn't be given a "special" flavor name. If flavor is to be used it should be fully randomized, unless the setup has been specifically designed to use flavor as a mechanism. As this setup wasn't specifically designed to have flavor--in fact as a mafiascum setup it is specifically prohibited from having flavor--any flavor used should have been random. It wasn't and that is what is causing the problem as any fake favor claim is going to be inferior to any true favor claim anyway you spin it.
This isn't the first time this has happened and it won't be the last. I don't want to be a buzzkill when it comes to flavor, but I do thing mods should think long and hard about using flavor. I know others really like it--and I have enjoyed it at times as well--but that is when it has either been fully random or specifically designed within the setup. There aren't currently great guidelines for this for mods to reference. I think maybe there should be.
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As for making changes during the game state:
I see iguana's point of view. I for one am loathe to make changes during the game from the rules that have already been established. Even if that gives one side an unintended advantage. I think that is better than to change the game midway through as I think that is more prone to potential favoritism issues.
I think the initial complaint is justified, the mod response justified and the end of game discussion here is justified.
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The only additional information I will add is flavor.
It was evident from the very beginning of the game that I was planning to add flavor to this setup. If any person had an issue with that, they could have inquired into it before the game began, or simply not joined the game in the first place.
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The only additional information I will add is flavor.
It was evident from the very beginning of the game that I was planning to add flavor to this setup. If any person had an issue with that, they could have inquired into it before the game began, or simply not joined the game in the first place.
Right. But the wording of that is vague. Does that mean randomized flavor? Does that mean flavor that has meaning? Are there safe claims for flavor? None of that was stated. And yes, the players signing up could have/should have queried you about what that wording meant and requested more information before the game started. But you know... most players don't.
I should have and take ownership for that, but didn't because I glossed over the setup information like most players. It is easy to suggest improvements after the fact, which is what I am doing. But that doesn't lessen the credibility of such improvements. I don't think meaningful flavor should have been added to this game because it wasn't designed to be played that way. As such this wasn't a standard setup. It was a tweaked setup. In my opinion, in an ideal world that would have been more explicitly made clear to allow it to be more fully vetted.
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A PR shouldn't be given a "special" flavor name. If flavor is to be used it should be fully randomized, unless the setup has been specifically designed to use flavor as a mechanism. As this setup wasn't specifically designed to have flavor--in fact as a mafiascum setup it is specifically prohibited from having flavor--any flavor used should have been random. It wasn't and that is what is causing the problem as any fake favor claim is going to be inferior to any true favor claim anyway you spin it.
This works in general. For open set-ups an even more straightforward solution is to just post all flavor names in the OP before the game starts. Then claiming [Role X] is equivalent to claiming [Role X flavor name].
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I actually just didn't get that. I thought that my name was Treehugged, when you said it's treehugger, I thought that I had remembered it wrong and it was treehugger all along. I didn't think you were making it a new name.
I don't think that this changes that much, but yeah, that has been a misunderstanding.
But I did everything possible to clarify this misunderstanding! I even sent you a link to the dictionary definition of a treehugger. Alright, these are my messages:
Other players' flavor names are not public information. The only information added to the firefighter's role PM is the flavor.
There are 9 distinct tree names. Every player has a different tree name. The only difference is that the firefighter and the arsons have actual names; you are just hiding inside of a tree during the day.
When I started this, I did not anticipate that flavor would give anyone any kind of edge. The only reason that anyone has a name is because I thought it would be funny to give the trees names. If I do another open setup, I won't give people names because of the backlash I've gotten from doing it this time.
This is my first game modding; it is experimental. Some things, once done, cannot be undone and not everything in life can be done with perfect fairness, especially on a first attempt. That being said, I don't think you are at any kind of disadvantage by not knowing the firefighter's flavor because the only person who knows it is the firefighter.
Alright, I thought about this some more.
Your fake tree name is Treehugged. If you want to claim firefighter, you can safely claim "Treehugger the firefighter" and feel free to mention the relation to your tree name.
This is not the name that the actual firefighter has and is not related to it in any way. However, it is the best I can do. Telling you the firefighter's flavor name would be giving arsonists an unfair advantage, as it would give you the opportunity to use their name before they get a chance to use it themselves. This solution doesn't perfectly balance everything, but it is the closest I can come.
In order to honor the spirit in which I made this game, please do not try to make the game about whose flavor is more authentic. It was not my intention that this game would ever be about that.
Thanks for bringing this to my attention.
Read the name I gave you again.
It is not 'TreehuggeD.'
It is 'TreehuggeR.'
TreehuggeD implies a tree being huggeD by a treehuggeR. TreehuggeR is a person who hugs trees. IE: someone who loves trees and wants to save them. IE: a believable fakeclaim for a firefighter in this game.
I will not respond to further messages on this topic.
http://beta.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/tree%20hugger
A treehugger is a person, not a tree, and is a very good fakeclaim. In fact, it is the best and most convincing fake claim that I could think of. All you need to say is "My tree name is Treehugged, but I am actually the firefighter and my real name is Treehugger."
If you don't like it, make up your own! All I did when I made up your name, your partner's name, and the firefighter's name is make up a silly name. Anyone can do that! We have been arguing about absolutely nothing.
What I took as rude was at first your insistence that I do something for you to change the game state to make it better for your faction, in the middle of the game, even though you did not bring up at the beginning of the game when I could have done something about it. Then, your continuing disapproval of every measure that I took to satisfy your complaint, despite the fact that I was doing everything in my power to provide a solution that fit the criterion of one of the solution's you requested, and to explain to you why the solution worked.
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I've been in this kind of situation before. Sometimes you just don't have that info as scum, so you have to work around it.
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The only additional information I will add is flavor.
It was evident from the very beginning of the game that I was planning to add flavor to this setup. If any person had an issue with that, they could have inquired into it before the game began, or simply not joined the game in the first place.
Right. But the wording of that is vague. Does that mean randomized flavor? Does that mean flavor that has meaning? Are there safe claims for flavor? None of that was stated. And yes, the players signing up could have/should have queried you about what that wording meant and requested more information before the game started. But you know... most players don't.
I should have and take ownership for that, but didn't because I glossed over the setup information like most players. It is easy to suggest improvements after the fact, which is what I am doing. But that doesn't lessen the credibility of such improvements. I don't think meaningful flavor should have been added to this game because it wasn't designed to be played that way. As such this wasn't a standard setup. It was a tweaked setup. In my opinion, in an ideal world that would have been more explicitly made clear to allow it to be more fully vetted.
This is all well and good and I agree with everything you are saying. I think it should be quite obvious by now that I am never going to do anything remotely like this ever again, and yes, I discourage others from taking such a path.
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I think your solution as proposed seemed fine, actually.
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I agree with ww. Ss, I think you came off as rude with your tone. Telling someone they only have three options when they are being polite to you and you are ultimately not the one in charge is demeaning. It was clear iguana was trying to figure out the best way to balance things, and that it is his first time.
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I agree with ww. Ss, I think you came off as rude with your tone. Telling someone they only have three options when they are being polite to you and you are ultimately not the one in charge is demeaning. It was clear iguana was trying to figure out the best way to balance things, and that it is his first time.
noted
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I think Iguana was a fine moderator.
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Hi, I was wrong about evertyhing in the speccy, which doesn't really count but stlll. COngrats to yuma and especially silver, had me fooled.