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[jotheonah]

do people actually think MiX is scum? And if so why?

[infangthief]

We shouldn't do any testing. We have two ICs now, no need to tell scum which is the useful one. Dylan and Joseph should try to only vote together as most likely they're 1 Mayor/1 Drunk.

Cool. Yes, this is the plan. Two IC's is a good outcome, and we still have plenty of day 1 to get on with scum hunting.

[infangthief]

I also wondered of this was some kind of gambit Dylan would try to pull off. But discounted it based on his suggested plan. (I don't think he would predict that faust would suggest not doing the tests, though if he had, that would work so well for scum!Dylan).

I mean, there I was happy that Dylan was IC but... this here is a double scumslip isn't it? Anyone read it differently?
unvote

[MiX]

I also wondered of this was some kind of gambit Dylan would try to pull off. But discounted it based on his suggested plan. (I don't think he would predict that faust would suggest not doing the tests, though if he had, that would work so well for scum!Dylan).

I mean, there I was happy that Dylan was IC but... this here is a double scumslip isn't it? Anyone read it differently?
unvote

I don't see it. I think it's a strange sentence overall, but I don't see how it's partnered with Dylan.

[infangthief]

do people actually think MiX is scum? And if so why?

I do. At least, I did before scola's post.
Biggest reason so far is how he was trying to determine whether Joseph is mayor or drunk when that was the only claim.

[WestCoastDidds]

Cool VC. Let me just structure it as standard:

Vote Count 1.1:

faust (1): MiX
jotheonah (1): Dylan32
MiX (3): infangthief, Joseph2302, faust
WestCoastDidds (1): gkrieg13

Day 1 ends at 3:00pm EST on Tuesday, December 7th


I reread Dylan and I think he's town. I see very little reason for scum!Joseph to claim when he did. So I'm okay with calling them ICs.

Vote: EFHW, let's move on with the day.

Yeah, but why??

[Joseph2302]

I think Dylan is town based on the posts
Will be around more tomorrow (technically today, Saturday) later on

[Swowl]

Busy day sorry - I do not think either of the Mayor claims are likely skum.

Need to actually read todays posts properly through- will do this evening.

[EFHW]

Can we talk about something else now?

Joseph, why did you vote MiX here?

Unvote

Voote: Mix

Don't like unvotes. We need wagons not no-exiles

So it was a policy vote? And what should we make of your recent unvote?

[Swowl]

Right, so.

It's probably good to make an IC, right?

So we need a Mayor/Drunk to claim please.

Actually all of them need to claim, otherwise this won't work.

What was "this"?

[infangthief]

I also wondered of this was some kind of gambit Dylan would try to pull off. But discounted it based on his suggested plan. (I don't think he would predict that faust would suggest not doing the tests, though if he had, that would work so well for scum!Dylan).

I mean, there I was happy that Dylan was IC but... this here is a double scumslip isn't it? Anyone read it differently?
unvote

I don't see it. I think it's a strange sentence overall, but I don't see how it's partnered with Dylan.

There are three sentences, but it's the first one. Why Dylan? Very reasonable to wonder whether a scum player might try fake claiming mayor/drunk. But instead of saying "a scum player" he said "Dylan". Am I missing something? Is there some meta about Dylan that I don't know, that he tries this sort of thing regularly?

[infangthief]

Cool VC. Let me just structure it as standard:

Vote Count 1.1:

faust (1): MiX
jotheonah (1): Dylan32
MiX (3): infangthief, Joseph2302, faust
WestCoastDidds (1): gkrieg13

Day 1 ends at 3:00pm EST on Tuesday, December 7th


I reread Dylan and I think he's town. I see very little reason for scum!Joseph to claim when he did. So I'm okay with calling them ICs.

Vote: EFHW, let's move on with the day.

Yeah, but why??

I'd be more interested to know what you think of EFHW, actually.

[faust]

Right, so.

It's probably good to make an IC, right?

So we need a Mayor/Drunk to claim please.

Actually all of them need to claim, otherwise this won't work.

What was "this"?

Testing the claims.

[faust]

I also wondered of this was some kind of gambit Dylan would try to pull off. But discounted it based on his suggested plan. (I don't think he would predict that faust would suggest not doing the tests, though if he had, that would work so well for scum!Dylan).

I mean, there I was happy that Dylan was IC but... this here is a double scumslip isn't it? Anyone read it differently?
unvote

I don't see it. I think it's a strange sentence overall, but I don't see how it's partnered with Dylan.

There are three sentences, but it's the first one. Why Dylan? Very reasonable to wonder whether a scum player might try fake claiming mayor/drunk. But instead of saying "a scum player" he said "Dylan". Am I missing something? Is there some meta about Dylan that I don't know, that he tries this sort of thing regularly?

I'm confused about your confusion. Dylan was the most recent player to claim, so of course he is going to be the topic of discussion when talking about potential fakeclaims?

[infangthief]

I also wondered of this was some kind of gambit Dylan would try to pull off. But discounted it based on his suggested plan. (I don't think he would predict that faust would suggest not doing the tests, though if he had, that would work so well for scum!Dylan).

I mean, there I was happy that Dylan was IC but... this here is a double scumslip isn't it? Anyone read it differently?
unvote

I don't see it. I think it's a strange sentence overall, but I don't see how it's partnered with Dylan.

There are three sentences, but it's the first one. Why Dylan? Very reasonable to wonder whether a scum player might try fake claiming mayor/drunk. But instead of saying "a scum player" he said "Dylan". Am I missing something? Is there some meta about Dylan that I don't know, that he tries this sort of thing regularly?

I'm confused about your confusion. Dylan was the most recent player to claim, so of course he is going to be the topic of discussion when talking about potential fakeclaims?

"gambit Dylan would try to pull off".
The "would" here shows scola was thinking this before Dylan claimed. By the time he's claimed he's already trying to pull off the gambit. Or, you know, is actually mayor/drunk and not trying to pull off a gambit at all.

vote: scolapasta

[infangthief]

Like, when you suggested the plan of mayors claiming, faust, I started to think through the likelihood of a scum player fakeclaiming. (And I thought it unlikely, and the further conversation people had about testing claims seemed helpful in dissuading fakeclaims.)

But it seems like scola has been thinking through his scum team wondering who would fake claim. "well there's me, I could, but I'd rather say I'm against the plan. But now how about Dylan, maybe he'll try?"

[faust]

FWIW, I don't read that at all. It just seems to me that scolapasta looked at the claim like "okay, either Dylan is town or scum. Let's consider the hypothetical where he is scum. In htat hypothetical, would he try to pull off such a gambit?"

I don't think the "would" implies some sort of past tense here.

[MiX]

The post before scola's also talks about Dylan, so I don't think it's a stretch to then think about Dylan primarily.

[Joseph2302]

Cool VC. Let me just structure it as standard:

Vote Count 1.1:

faust (1): MiX
jotheonah (1): Dylan32
MiX (3): infangthief, Joseph2302, faust
WestCoastDidds (1): gkrieg13

Day 1 ends at 3:00pm EST on Tuesday, December 7th


I reread Dylan and I think he's town. I see very little reason for scum!Joseph to claim when he did. So I'm okay with calling them ICs.

Vote: EFHW, let's move on with the day.

Why EFHW?

[EFHW]

vote: fang. Bad case.

[Swowl]

Right, so.

It's probably good to make an IC, right?

So we need a Mayor/Drunk to claim please.

Actually all of them need to claim, otherwise this won't work.

What was "this"?

Testing the claims.

But then they claimed and you said no testing should be done right? What changed?

[MiX]

Just reread EFHW. I see no reason to think she's town. She focused on both mayor claims, and is now voting fang for acting scummy. Feels like the easiest thing in the world.

Vote: EFHW, let's move on with the day.

Why EFHW?

Why not? I felt like EFHW hadn't done anything.

[Dylan32]

--snip the setup--

*Note: Day-type roles that are role-blocked at night become a VT the following day (both Mayor and Drunk revert to VT for the day).

So this line actually suggests that today is the only day where we can guarantee that testing the drunkmayors will yield true results, because if Joseph or I are roleblocked at night, the next day we would be VT and actually have 1 vote.

I don't know whether or not this would be something scum!faust would have noticed, but I am starting to see a potential scum narrative for his play so far. Propose revealing mayor/drunk to reveal the player that would likely be IC later so they could be killed before it matters. When two people claimed, back off of the plan to verify the ICs so that scum could leave them alive just long enough to throw suspicion at the claims (given the potential for town to have an insane cop, that is potentially another way we are made to look sus) and then when town feels the need to verify our claims, one of us could be roleblocked and framed to look like a liar. Obviously there are several assumptions in this, but it's the best case I've come up with so far.

[faust]

Right, so.

It's probably good to make an IC, right?

So we need a Mayor/Drunk to claim please.

Actually all of them need to claim, otherwise this won't work.

What was "this"?

Testing the claims.

But then they claimed and you said no testing should be done right? What changed?

That was always my intention, but until the claims I had to maintain the idea that we would verify claims in order to discourage fakeclaims.

[faust]

I don't know whether or not this would be something scum!faust would have noticed, but I am starting to see a potential scum narrative for his play so far. Propose revealing mayor/drunk to reveal the player that would likely be IC later so they could be killed before it matters. When two people claimed, back off of the plan to verify the ICs so that scum could leave them alive just long enough to throw suspicion at the claims (given the potential for town to have an insane cop, that is potentially another way we are made to look sus) and then when town feels the need to verify our claims, one of us could be roleblocked and framed to look like a liar. Obviously there are several assumptions in this, but it's the best case I've come up with so far.

If I am following you, you think that my plan as scum was:
- remove 2 townies from the exilepool today
- use the scum Roleblocker in a way that potentially helps town (by allowing a Drunk to vote)
- profit by having one of the two ICs that I created no longer be an IC, but instead in the position they would have been without my plan, and the other one still an IC

I mean... I like to think that I can come up with better plans.