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[Robz888]

I'm here, and will be til deadline. Let's talk this out. I guess the benefit is that we actually CAN get just about any lynch since it takes so few votes.

[pingpongsam]

I'm here, and will be til deadline. Let's talk this out. I guess the benefit is that we actually CAN get just about any mislynch since it takes so few votes.

FTFY

[pingpongsam]

It arguably takes all the votes to get scum.

[pingpongsam]

I feel supremely good about voting SA or Lekkit as only those I feel good about being town are looking to vote there.

[Robz888]

I have a sinking feeling the following things are going to happen:

1. We plurality lynch Space with like three freaking votes
2. Space flips town
3. Tomorrow: Everyone will be like "OMG Robz drove this wagon on town, must be scum." I'll be like, "Actually it just kind of happened because nobody did anything." Everyone will respond, "Shut up, scum."

[Eevee]

I'm back, a couple pages to catch up on.

[pingpongsam]

I have a sinking feeling the following things are going to happen:

1. We plurality lynch Space with like three freaking votes
2. Space flips town
3. Tomorrow: Everyone will be like "OMG Robz drove this wagon on town, must be scum." I'll be like, "Actually it just kind of happened because nobody did anything." Everyone will respond, "Shut up, scum."

Pretty sure I drove the wagon. Also, I think step 2 is not very likely at all.

[SpaceAnemone]

PPS, your list omits a number of people who expressed openness to lynching Eevee - Robz, gkrieg, IDPTG and yourself.

I think it would be better organized by lynchee rather than by voter. I added to the Eevee list and added Eevee to RR's list, otherwise I went by yours and didn't doublecheck anything.

Wagon: Willing voters
Eevee: EFHW, Robz, gkrieg, IDPTG, pps
SA: gkrieg, Eevee, Robz, PPS
RR: gkrieg, IDP, PPS, Eevee
Robz: IDG, gkrieg, Lekkit
Lekkit: gkrieg, Robz, PPS
PPS: SA, Lekkit
EFHW: Dylan, IDP
gkrieg: IDP, Lekkit
IDP: Robz

Not sure where I agreed to lynch Eevee, did I?

I'll vote for him if it comes to it.. and I've already said I'm also feeling scummy vibes from EFHW and Robz. I'd also consider voting for a lurker wagon if it's them or me, so I'll include RR too:

Wagon: Willing voters
Eevee: EFHW, Robz, gkrieg, IDPTG, pps
RR: gkrieg, IDP, PPS, Eevee, SA
SA: gkrieg, Eevee, Robz, PPS
Robz: IDG, gkrieg, Lekkit, SA
Lekkit: gkrieg, Robz, PPS
EFHW: Dylan, IDP, SA
PPS: SA, Lekkit
gkrieg: IDP, Lekkit
IDP: Robz

Anyone else want to pick it up and edit? It's likely to be more informative if we all try to use more or less the same criteria/thresholds to fill it out.

[Eevee]

Well, certainly don't like the Eevee lynch! Gkrieg, can you expand how I'm being ridiculous? I tried to address all of what EFHW pointed out, I don't really even know why you are suspecting me, except for the lack of good enough content. I mean, the reason I've played less and less mafia is, I've lately started finding it more and more hand-waving guesswork until very late days. It's just impossible to know, but you have to take stances or scum can just skate by and not vote for each other and win. So, if my posts feel vague, it really is just the best I can do.

[pingpongsam]

It arguably takes all the votes to get scum.

Okay, forgot about plurality. Funny, I've brought this up a few times and either I'm being ignored with shaking heads or just invisible altogether.

[Eevee]

I feel a consensus lynch like this makes things the easiest for scum. Really easy for them to manipulate the situation and then say "well, i didnt say i liked it, i just went along with it" when it hits town (like me!).

[Eevee]

It's probably too late to do EFHW or PPS.

RR is not here.

SA has seemed much townier lately, but I don't really have a great alternative target either. And I might just be blinded by SA's long posts with reasonable points. Always been my big weakness.

[pingpongsam]

I feel a consensus lynch like this makes things the easiest for scum. Really easy for them to manipulate the situation and then say "well, i didnt say i liked it, i just went along with it" when it hits town (like me!).

Uh, you have exactly one wavering vote on you, I don't think you are going to get lynched. I don't think the current leading wagon is coming over to you.

[IDontPlayThisGame]

I feel a consensus lynch like this makes things the easiest for scum. Really easy for them to manipulate the situation and then say "well, i didnt say i liked it, i just went along with it" when it hits town (like me!).

I agree; this seems like a really good spot for scum. We need to do something. I'm still prefering the RR lynch, but I'm willing to swap. Deadline's in 30 minutes, right?

[Robz888]

I feel a consensus lynch like this makes things the easiest for scum. Really easy for them to manipulate the situation and then say "well, i didnt say i liked it, i just went along with it" when it hits town (like me!).

Uh, you have exactly one wavering vote on you, I don't think you are going to get lynched. I don't think the current leading wagon is coming over to you.

What are you talking about? He absolutely could be lynched, anyone could. It would only take three more votes! Have you never seen an end of day before? (Rhetorical question because obviously you have.)

[IDontPlayThisGame]

I'm an idiot. 1 hour and 30 minutes

[Robz888]

I feel a consensus lynch like this makes things the easiest for scum. Really easy for them to manipulate the situation and then say "well, i didnt say i liked it, i just went along with it" when it hits town (like me!).

I agree; this seems like a really good spot for scum. We need to do something. I'm still prefering the RR lynch, but I'm willing to swap. Deadline's in 30 minutes, right?

We have an hour and a half I think

[pingpongsam]

Think it's a bad deal to lynch the VLA guy on D2 when we expect at least 2 more scum to find today.

IDP, why are you not pro-SA lynch?

[gkrieg13]

Well, certainly don't like the Eevee lynch! Gkrieg, can you expand how I'm being ridiculous? I tried to address all of what EFHW pointed out, I don't really even know why you are suspecting me, except for the lack of good enough content. I mean, the reason I've played less and less mafia is, I've lately started finding it more and more hand-waving guesswork until very late days. It's just impossible to know, but you have to take stances or scum can just skate by and not vote for each other and win. So, if my posts feel vague, it really is just the best I can do.

I agree that it is a little bit of hand-waving guesswork, but that is the part that is fun sometimes!

Anyway, I think you are being ridiculous with your analysis of some things. 

Re: EFHW (Apparently there is a limit for quotes per post, as it wouldn't let me quote anymore)


I usually hate hate hate scumslip arguments, but this looks VERY promising.

It would explain so many things! Why did was Calamitas killed (I really dislike the redirector/lighting rod theories in a normal game), why McG's play was so weird for a doctor (ding ding ding), and the mistake for EFHW would be understandable as she subbed in in a hurry.

Robz, what makes you so sure he is town? I've started to build a PoE scum read on him, as other people have started looking townier today, and I think RR's contributions have really fallen off since yesterday. Am I being unfair? That's only a couple of posts today that are longer than 1-2 sentences.

My huge town read on him stems from his play at the end of day 1, where I watched him go thru basically all the exact same emotions I did regarding the Jake/McG/Calamitas lynch choices. I hadn't realized how absent he was today, but that doesn't necessarily make me think he's scum. Being confused and disinterested on a difficult day 2 is almost more townie than scummy.

To me it's weird to be active and on top of everything day 1, but then appear confused/disengaged day 2. Or, well, suddenly hanging back makes me think he is happy with the direction we are going (which in the scum narrative would be not towards him or his partners of course). We have WAY more information now than we did yesterday, I don't think RR's play is reflecting that.

Sort of feels like Robz is making excuses for RR here. I'm not saying I'm sure he is scum, but saying his play today is strengthening your townread seems crazy to me. Unreasonable even!

These two in particular.  I don't think scum can be happy with the situation now seeing as one of their own could be quicklynched without much warning.  I think they will be among the lurkers who are viewing the page but not contributing to the discussion.

I also think that the scum slip argument is ridiculous, but that is partially because I thought the same thing as EFHW before I realized that it could cause cases where scum was unable to kill anyone, because everyone left alive was of their same alignment.

[SpaceAnemone]

I'm an idiot. 1 hour and 30 minutes

Yeah, it's about 80 minutes now. I'm going to be offline for about 30 of those minutes now, because of leaving work and heading up to Haddock's, where I hope to steal his wifi for the actual EoD.

While I'm gone, how about people look at Vote: EFHW, and see whether anyone feels like that can gain any more traction than my PPS vote. I seriously don't understand why I'm getting so little support given how much suspicious stuff there is there!

[Robz888]

The scum slip argument is not "ridiculous." It might not be right, but it's not unthinkable given the cloud of suspicion already around EFHW.

[gkrieg13]

One other thing from the wagon analysis "who would vote for who" is that we should just lynch Eevee because the highest number of people were willing to lynch them.  We have the most information from his flip.

Still don't want to lynch EFHW.

[gkrieg13]

The scum slip argument is not "ridiculous." It might not be right, but it's not unthinkable given the cloud of suspicion already around EFHW.

Ok that's fair.  I just thought it was silly because I had had the exact same thought, and I know that I'm town, so the thought that another town thought the same thing isn't that ridiculous.

[Lekkit]

Here now. Will read the last few pages properly.

[pingpongsam]

One other thing from the wagon analysis "who would vote for who" is that we should just lynch Eevee because the highest number of people were willing to lynch them.  We have the most information from his flip.

Still don't want to lynch EFHW.

Not true, I was mistakenly included in his willing voters and I'm not willing.