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Re: M89: Best Dominion Card Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #1200 on: December 01, 2016, 11:45:09 am »

My top two for lynching are RR and EFHW

RR:
He really hasn't given us much content to go on and his posts haven't had much substance. I could see scum trying to stay quiet the day after getting our Cop lynched. I think RR is the safest lynch.

EFHW:
This stems from the strange McGarnacle sitution. Doctor seems like an awful fake claim for town and yet McGarnacle survived the night. Someone mentioned scum leaving McGarnacle alive for WIFOM and I think that's definitely a possibility. However, when EFHW took over there was the strange first post. I'm almost ready to gamble on McGarnacle having lied.

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Re: M89: Best Dominion Card Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #1201 on: December 01, 2016, 11:46:43 am »

What exactly is the particular "McGypsy issue" you want me to address and feel I'm neglecting? I've pretty much laid out all my (scuppered!) plans already in that respect, and I'm still suspicious of the both of you.

All I recall and am currently finding is where you analyze me in regards to my response and positioning around the fact that McEGghead survived the night. Maybe I missed where you directly address this seeming anomaly without just brushing it aside as well Calamitas was the obvious play. If EFHW is the town Dr why did she get to play today?

The "if EFHW is town" possibilities:
1) If she's town and you're town, the it would seem likely that scum knew what PRs are out there, and figured that the NK would be watched, so targeted someone else. It doesn't do a good job of explaining RR being the doc target, or your investigative roll being used on Dylan and not to catch scum.
2) If EFHW is town and you're scum, then my case on you doesn't need to justify your weird NK decision, and we're in a better position because we may still have town PRs out there. This also would explain why you seem to have a result on Dylan, since you wouldn't actually have had to think about who to target to such a degree. And I've seen how you work in a scum QT before.. you liked the wild plays but didn't necessarily think the details through.

There are also the "if EFHW is scum" possibilities:
1) EFHW scum and you not-scum. This would make sense of the odd RR doc-claim because it's a safe lie, and would make perfect sense why someone other than McG died in the night. It doesn't make sense of the fact that you didn't use your investigation on McEFHW, though, or the part where you refused to help with the scum-trap/ignored my suggestions.
2) Both you and EFHW are scum. Most of the big evidence makes sense: someone other than McG dieing, your odd choice of claimed investigation target, and your reluctance to try to compare notes in order to "out" a scum.

I think the likelihood of them both being scum has to be pretty small.  That would leave town with just a vanilla cop?  That just seems like the chances are way too low.  I think the fact that town has a vanilla cop leads me to believe that town has quite a few PRs, and that scum probably is something like PR/PR/goon, which kind of fits with PPS's claim.  Especially since all of the PRs that are claimed are pretty weak, especially if PPS is what I think he is.
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Re: M89: Best Dominion Card Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #1202 on: December 01, 2016, 11:47:06 am »

Welp, this is why I don't like plurality lynch. Not going to be much to analyze about a three-person wagon. And there's a weird and total lack of urgency going. No one lobbying people to vote for someone else, no meaningful interactions, just a big haze. This isn't good, people.
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Re: M89: Best Dominion Card Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #1203 on: December 01, 2016, 11:50:07 am »

My top two for lynching are RR and EFHW

RR:
He really hasn't given us much content to go on and his posts haven't had much substance. I could see scum trying to stay quiet the day after getting our Cop lynched. I think RR is the safest lynch.

EFHW:
This stems from the strange McGarnacle sitution. Doctor seems like an awful fake claim for town and yet McGarnacle survived the night. Someone mentioned scum leaving McGarnacle alive for WIFOM and I think that's definitely a possibility. However, when EFHW took over there was the strange first post. I'm almost ready to gamble on McGarnacle having lied.

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I could definitely go for an RR lynch, the fact that he still isn't present is weird, although maybe he had V/LA?  I'm actually remembering something like that from him.  But he still was so active D1.  If RR is scum, I think it makes EFHW much more likely to be scum.  The fact that he was on last EoD when the two major wagons were town/town is more of a town tell for me?

The problem with D1 analysis is that I have a feeling all of the major wagons were on town, which means that there isn't really much to go off of.  I think you look at the people that were trying to make sure that we would only focus on the major wagons, so maybe you vote for Eevee or Robz?  I mean I guess I was in that boat as well to a certain degree. 

I guess I'm not convinced on RR or EFHW at the moment.
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Re: M89: Best Dominion Card Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #1204 on: December 01, 2016, 11:50:44 am »

Welp, this is why I don't like plurality lynch. Not going to be much to analyze about a three-person wagon. And there's a weird and total lack of urgency going. No one lobbying people to vote for someone else, no meaningful interactions, just a big haze. This isn't good, people.

I agree.  I'm trying to make some of those interactions happen, but people are content having their own lynch pools and not really changing them.
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Re: M89: Best Dominion Card Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #1205 on: December 01, 2016, 11:56:45 am »

RR, from the V/LA thread:

"I'll have pretty limited access from Wednesday morning to Saturday evening, forum time."

This makes me less inclined to lynch based on lack of content, but there was plenty of time earlier in the day.

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Re: M89: Best Dominion Card Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #1206 on: December 01, 2016, 12:02:56 pm »

Do we want to leave EFHW alive for one more night, just in case?

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Re: M89: Best Dominion Card Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #1207 on: December 01, 2016, 12:05:25 pm »

Do we want to leave EFHW alive for one more night, just in case?

I do.

Trying to reread to get everyone's pool to see if we have a winner...
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Re: M89: Best Dominion Card Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #1208 on: December 01, 2016, 12:08:17 pm »

I'm going to make another list with my current reads.  Mostly for me, but I figured I would share it.

3. Roadrunner7671 - This is another one that I just don't really know.

5. SpaceAnemone - I really thought they were scum, but my scum read died down on them slightly.  I don't think my case was good enough for scum to bus, and so because my other major scum reads jumped on their wagon I became a little less sure of the wagon.  I still think they are a fine lynch, but I don't think I'll be actively pushing their case.

6. McGarnacle EFHW - I really feel they are town.  McGarnacle's claim last EoD is enough for me at this point to think they are town.

7. Idontplaythisgame - Just reads newb!town to me.  They haven't been the most active, but it feels like they are trying to get a handle on the game.

8. Lekkit - My vote on this is for other cases people have put forward mixed with the lurking factor.  I'm also still not sure why he was so sure that scum was within {me, Robz, PPS} but then only puts together a case on PPS.

9. Dylan32 - I have my eye on him, and if someone presented a good case, I could definitely jump on this wagon.

10. PingPongSam - Not really feeling it today.  I just outlined my reasons for this.

11. Robz888 - Definitely would lynch.  I don't like his play D1, and I just modded him being scum.  I don't know anymore.  The more I read his recent posts, the more I think he is town.  ugh.

12. Eevee - I think this is a valid target for lynch today.  His stuff on the last page about RR is pretty ridiculous.  With plurality lynch, I don't think anyone is happy with things are now.  It only takes 2 votes for you to have as many as SA and be the lynch target.  No one should feel safe right now.

I actually feel like I don't have a very good grasp on this game again, and we only have a few pages since my last reread!  I think my main read that persists from my earlier reads is Eevee.  His posts still seem very scummy to me.  Lekkit is a new scum read.  Something just doesn't seem right with his posts.
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Re: M89: Best Dominion Card Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #1209 on: December 01, 2016, 12:28:26 pm »

Looking over the past few pages (bold shows consistent preference for lynch) (italics are my comments):

Gkrieg: Robz, RR, SA, Lekkit, Eevee

EFHW: Eevee (seems odd to be almost alone here, although she just got into the game and would not have all the context reads that McGiggles had, also, she is clear about needing to consolidate votes)

IDP: Robz, Gkrieg, RR, EFHW

Dylan: EFHW (not alone but pretty far left of center)

Eevee: SA

SA: PPS (omgus much or are you and your partner lekkit that scared of me?)

Robz: SA, Lekkit, IDP

Lekkit: Robz, PPS, GKrieg (not really sure how you can get both Robz and Gkrieg on a scumteam in your head; oh, I see, they are both interested in your lynch, more omgus)

PPS: SA, RR, Lekkit

So dropping those with less than 3 instances we get:
SA with 4 instances
Robz with 3 instances
Lekkit with 3 instances
RR with 3 instances

Removing myself from the voting pool, although these are verifiable quantities I gleaned from the post history:
SA = 3
Robz = 3

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Re: M89: Best Dominion Card Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #1210 on: December 01, 2016, 12:28:50 pm »

apologies the bolded string on Gkrieg should be italics
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Re: M89: Best Dominion Card Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #1211 on: December 01, 2016, 12:29:28 pm »

apologies the bolded string on Gkrieg should be italics

or on lekkit after the word Gkrieg: I'll just repost it fixed, already
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Re: M89: Best Dominion Card Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #1212 on: December 01, 2016, 12:30:09 pm »

Looking over the past few pages (bold shows consistent preference for lynch) (italics are my comments):

Gkrieg: Robz, RR, SA, Lekkit, Eevee

EFHW: Eevee (seems odd to be almost alone here, although she just got into the game and would not have all the context reads that McGiggles had, also, she is clear about needing to consolidate votes)

IDP: Robz, Gkrieg, RR, EFHW

Dylan: EFHW (not alone but pretty far left of center)

Eevee: SA

SA: PPS (omgus much or are you and your partner lekkit that scared of me?)

Robz: SA, Lekkit, IDP

Lekkit: Robz, PPS, GKrieg (not really sure how you can get both Robz and Gkrieg on a scumteam in your head; oh, I see, they are both interested in your lynch, more omgus)

PPS: SA, RR, Lekkit

So dropping those with less than 3 instances we get:
SA with 4 instances
Robz with 3 instances
Lekkit with 3 instances
RR with 3 instances

Removing myself from the voting pool, although these are verifiable quantities I gleaned from the post history:
SA = 3
Robz = 3 (for the record, I'm wholly opposed here)
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Re: M89: Best Dominion Card Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #1213 on: December 01, 2016, 12:33:31 pm »

apologies the bolded string on Gkrieg should be italics

or on lekkit after the word Gkrieg: I'll just repost it fixed, already

PPS, the king of forgetting people. Has RR voted anyone other than me today?

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Re: M89: Best Dominion Card Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #1214 on: December 01, 2016, 12:37:38 pm »

PPS, your list omits a number of people who expressed openness to lynching Eevee - Robz, gkrieg, IDPTG and yourself.
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Re: M89: Best Dominion Card Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #1215 on: December 01, 2016, 12:39:02 pm »

apologies the bolded string on Gkrieg should be italics

or on lekkit after the word Gkrieg: I'll just repost it fixed, already

PPS, the king of forgetting people. Has RR voted anyone other than me today?

I didn't forget. He's not present in the last few pages where people are posting their pools so he is automatically discluded. He won't be here at deadline. He's voting IDP which would still only put him at 2 instances so is irrelevant altogether.
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Re: M89: Best Dominion Card Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #1216 on: December 01, 2016, 12:40:12 pm »

apologies the bolded string on Gkrieg should be italics

or on lekkit after the word Gkrieg: I'll just repost it fixed, already

PPS, the king of forgetting people. Has RR voted anyone other than me today?

I didn't forget. He's not present in the last few pages where people are posting their pools so he is automatically discluded. He won't be here at deadline. He's voting IDP which would still only put him at 2 instances so is irrelevant altogether.

My bad, sorry. I thought it was a longer read-through.

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Re: M89: Best Dominion Card Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #1217 on: December 01, 2016, 12:40:46 pm »

PPS, your list omits a number of people who expressed openness to lynching Eevee - Robz, gkrieg, IDPTG and yourself.

Look, it was a quick run through looking at the bottom each post for a string of usernames indicating willingness to lynch or watching for bolded votes themselves.

If you think you can do better with the time we have go for it. I think it works for the moment where people are free to amend right now.
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Re: M89: Best Dominion Card Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #1218 on: December 01, 2016, 12:41:37 pm »

Vote Count 2.6

IDontPlayThisGame (1): Roadrunner7671
RoadRunner7671 (1): IDontPlayThisGame
EFHW (1): Dylan32
SpaceAnemone (3): pingpongsam, Eevee, Robz888
pingpongsam (2): SpaceAnemone, Lekkit
Eevee (1): EFHW
Lekkit (1): GKrieg13

Not Voting (0):


With 10 alive, it takes 6 to lynch. The day ends on Thursday Dec 1, 3 pm
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Re: M89: Best Dominion Card Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #1219 on: December 01, 2016, 12:42:44 pm »

I started my list at Mod Vote Count post #1050 to give some context to its' length and breadth.
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Re: M89: Best Dominion Card Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #1220 on: December 01, 2016, 12:43:54 pm »

Vote Count 2.6

IDontPlayThisGame (1): Roadrunner7671
RoadRunner7671 (1): IDontPlayThisGame
EFHW (1): Dylan32
SpaceAnemone (3): pingpongsam, Eevee, Robz888
pingpongsam (2): SpaceAnemone, Lekkit
Eevee (1): EFHW
Lekkit (1): GKrieg13

Not Voting (0):


With 10 alive, it takes 6 to lynch. The day ends on Thursday Dec 1, 3 pm

I really don't like this. Votes are super spread out and it's plurality lynch.

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Re: M89: Best Dominion Card Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #1221 on: December 01, 2016, 12:45:06 pm »

PPS, your list omits a number of people who expressed openness to lynching Eevee - Robz, gkrieg, IDPTG and yourself.
I think it would be better organized by lynchee rather than by voter. I added to the Eevee list and added Eevee to RR's list, otherwise I went by yours and didn't doublecheck anything.

Wagon: Willing voters
Eevee: EFHW, Robz, gkrieg, IDPTG, pps
SA: gkrieg, Eevee, Robz, PPS
RR: gkrieg, IDP, PPS, Eevee
Robz: IDG, gkrieg, Lekkit
Lekkit: gkrieg, Robz, PPS
PPS: SA, Lekkit
EFHW: Dylan, IDP
gkrieg: IDP, Lekkit
IDP: Robz
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Re: M89: Best Dominion Card Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #1222 on: December 01, 2016, 12:46:07 pm »

Sorry, I have to go now.  I'll check in if I get a moment.
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Re: M89: Best Dominion Card Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #1223 on: December 01, 2016, 12:46:13 pm »

If RR is town then it will take full town consensus or a scum bus to make a scum lynch today...
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Re: M89: Best Dominion Card Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #1224 on: December 01, 2016, 12:48:24 pm »

PPS, your list omits a number of people who expressed openness to lynching Eevee - Robz, gkrieg, IDPTG and yourself.
I think it would be better organized by lynchee rather than by voter. I added to the Eevee list and added Eevee to RR's list, otherwise I went by yours and didn't doublecheck anything.

Wagon: Willing voters
Eevee: EFHW, Robz, gkrieg, IDPTG, pps
SA: gkrieg, Eevee, Robz, PPS
RR: gkrieg, IDP, PPS, Eevee
Robz: IDG, gkrieg, Lekkit
Lekkit: gkrieg, Robz, PPS
PPS: SA, Lekkit
EFHW: Dylan, IDP
gkrieg: IDP, Lekkit
IDP: Robz

Not sure where I agreed to lynch Eevee, did I?
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