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Mafia Game Threads / Re: M120: Czech Mafia
« on: November 28, 2018, 08:08:34 am »
/tag

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: M119: Towny Mafia (D3!)
« on: November 19, 2018, 09:56:54 pm »
I will do a vote: fang

better than lynching EFHW. 

Sorry, I have have just not been useful today.

Priority to lynch: Datswan, Fang
Would lynch: WCD, Joseph
Not lynching today: EFHW, mcmc, Awaclus, Dylan
Not lynching: PPS, e

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: M119: Towny Mafia (D3!)
« on: November 19, 2018, 08:00:00 am »
Was injured this weekend. Hope to do something today. No one hammer EFHW. If thatís going to happen let me do it.

Hope you are doing well

Also, yes. Hammer should be pps if anyone.

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: M119: Towny Mafia (D3!)
« on: November 19, 2018, 06:06:11 am »
Vote: Datswan

Looking back at things and reminded why I thought Dylan was town.

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: M119: Towny Mafia (D3!)
« on: November 17, 2018, 11:28:25 pm »
I lied don't have anything else for tonight. I just strongly object to lynching EFHW

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: M119: Towny Mafia (D3!)
« on: November 17, 2018, 09:57:23 pm »
Voting for EFHW is silly. I know I am already any IC, but when EFHW flips town I will be even more conf!town.

Someone please just make a case better than "EFHW is playing well"

Like, just read Dylan. 3rd on EFHW, feels the need to "build a case" and is just so conveniently voting a popular wagon. So scummy. If Dylan flips town I will consider voting efhw tomorrow.

Also, several drinks in (lost count).  More later

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: M119: Towny Mafia (D3!)
« on: November 17, 2018, 07:57:18 am »
Vote: Dylan

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: M119: Towny Mafia (D3!)
« on: November 15, 2018, 06:06:22 pm »
Sorry, work has been crazy this week.

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: M119: Towny Mafia (D3!)
« on: November 14, 2018, 09:39:40 am »
Well now I want to reread 2.7 more than I did before because thatís a scummy post and mostly for the read justification on pps.

You are telling me that you have never read someone as scum and they turned out to be a PR?

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: M119: Towny Mafia (D3!)
« on: November 14, 2018, 09:37:49 am »
Well now I want to reread 2.7 more than I did before because thatís a scummy post and mostly for the read justification on pps.
Space tracked e and got that he targeted no one.

That doesn't clear me though

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: M119: Towny Mafia (D3!)
« on: November 14, 2018, 08:37:17 am »
Sorry I missed the end of the day and haven't done anything to start out today. Need to do a reread in light of the flips/IC that we have. PPS' play makes sense that I read him as scum when he is actually a PR.

Not sold on EFHW as scum still based on what I posted yesterday, but again- need to look back at things with the new info

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: M119: Towny Mafia (D1!)
« on: November 09, 2018, 10:08:43 pm »
Just look at that beautiful prose and yet I am the bad guy for townrreading that?

so PPS has a lot of stuff, and I am giving up on quoting tons of stuff and commenting on it, but here is the crux of it all.  Here we have PPS expressing disbelief that someone would scumread them.   "I am playing such a good game, how could you possibly scum read me"

Then later in his defense against EFHW's early D1 case:
All of your case is predicated on me being a typical, logic based player which I never have been.
  I for one have never thought of PPS as a "typical, logic based player" but again this is PPS expressing the idea that his play does not warrant being scum-read. 

This idea that "I am playing good, how could anyone scumread me" is tricky - it can come from town or scum.  When I feel as though I am an IC I usually get a bad case of it and post the most obnoxiously scummy things because "people could never see me as scummy - I am clearly town"

But for PPS?  not so sure.  I think it could be scum there.  Like I just said with mcmc - the obvious answer could very well be the right answer.

vote: PPS

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: M119: Towny Mafia (D2!)
« on: November 09, 2018, 09:58:51 pm »
E your townread of efhw really seems to be that she is playing a good game, not sheís playing a towny game. I agree she hasnít done anything insanely scummy but for god sakes yesterday we lynched robz after all of three posts from him and I at least see her pushing cases on people I find townie which makes her more than likely scum.

I do have a soft spot for people who play good games.  How about we just lynch EFHW tomorrow if she is still alive and we haven't lynched scum?  If she is playing a good game we want to keep her around to help us.  Lets lynch.....say.....PPS?  Let me reread him

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: M119: Towny Mafia (D2!)
« on: November 09, 2018, 09:56:41 pm »
te and then unvote.  This puts EFHW in the "me vs the world" category, which I think is towny.  She feels as tho

sorry, typed "scummy" instead of "towny"

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: M119: Towny Mafia (D2!)
« on: November 09, 2018, 09:55:02 pm »
and I just read through EFHW D2 and it is nothing but townie.  How are people even voting her????  It makes no sense

I think, for me, it has something with her being such good scum last game.  That and she keeps voting for me.

well, are you scum?  It would be a good reason for her to vote for you.

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: M119: Towny Mafia (D2!)
« on: November 09, 2018, 09:54:06 pm »
because you asked politely:

Robz is IC. Interesting twist.

RIP faust. vote: WCD.

This is a classic town response to a mislynch.  "we lynched someone, not who I wanted, they turned out town.  Doubling down on my D1 scum read"

vote: efhw

Rereading how the end of day went I still think both the robz and Joseph wagons were awful. I think hey are likely both town (despite Josephís scummy should I claim statement. Note joseph constantly sticks his foot in his mouth as town and is frequently mislynched do to it). Efhw bouncing between the wagons is scum not caring which one gets lynched.

I can also see space being scum, they became a last chance wagon as robz/joseph were stalling (due to scum not being super invested in forcing one or he other through). And space has had a very mudslingy start to day two.
In actuality, when WCD voted Robz I concluded he was probably town. Then I got on the Joseph wagon because it was the only other viable one. If I didn't care who got lynched, I would have just stayed on Robz. I had no reason to jump around.

Are you being sloppy or trying to mislynch me? vote: mcmc

Iím not sloppy you arenít getting my point. Scum!Efhw knows both robz and Joseph are town and so there is no reason for you to need to stay on either wagon. You were pushing the Joseph lynch, happy to move over to the robz wagon which grew outrageously quickly and was built on nothing so itís a super safe wagon to be on, but then it stalled and when wcd joined it your narrative for why you were on the robz wagon was going to look bad so you jumped off and went back to Joseph not caring if that prevented the robz wagon from going through.
Ok, I forgot about the don't want to be caught on a town wagon angle. Your theory, while wrong, is no longer scummy. unvote

Then you have the quick mcmc vote and then unvote.  This puts EFHW in the "me vs the world" category, which I think is scummy.  She feels as though she is playing hard, having good input, and people just find her scummy for it.  well screw them, I will vote them.  Except after cooling off and looking at it unvotes and then.....back to WCD a little bit after the reread.

Then just some other random stuff.

I you can build up master!scum!EFHW in your head if you want, but the simplist answer is usually right, and it is pretty simple to see town!EFHW

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: M119: Towny Mafia (D2!)
« on: November 09, 2018, 09:41:10 pm »
and I just read through EFHW D2 and it is nothing but townie.  How are people even voting her????  It makes no sense

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: M119: Towny Mafia (D1!)
« on: November 09, 2018, 09:37:47 pm »
calls out pps for a vote she doesn't think pps should have:

Maybe I'll try being a bit more direct. Pingpongsam, why does Space seem town to you this time?

Gut read only. Mainly, I always think Space is scum and Iím not getting that feel this time. Space is usually way more analytical and buddying with people. They seem pretty much like uninformed town right now though.
In between your town read post and fang's question,  Space has a bunch of fluffy posts, nothing serious.  Your explanation doesn't fit her play.

vote: pps

doubles down on pps in the next couple posts here and here.  (I really like how she is doing this)

and more defense of the pps vote

and more

and trying to get other people (mcmc particularly) to talk about pps

then kind of takes offense (?? not sure if that is the best word - actual wording is "I am not comfortable with this post") at how WCD perceives her case, which is enough to move her vote to WCD in the next post seeing that PPS is gaining no traction.

jumps on Robz' "lets quick lynch somebody" comment and joins the lynch

jumps around at the end of D1 a bunch of times, then immediately begins D2 voting WCD. 


I dont even have to read D2.  EFHW is town, I will not vote her this game.  period.  Maybe if she claims scum.  The way she jumped on PPS early, then moved to WCD, then tried to help out for a lynch jumping around.  Everything just feels so much town.  so much town.

I am interested in PPS now though because of her early case on him.  maybe I will do PPS next.

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: M119: Towny Mafia (D2!)
« on: November 09, 2018, 09:18:06 pm »
I should also

unvote

I will vote again before the night is through

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: M119: Towny Mafia (D2!)
« on: November 09, 2018, 09:16:37 pm »
who should I do next? 

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: M119: Towny Mafia (D2!)
« on: November 09, 2018, 09:14:48 pm »
out of the gate, buddying up to the newer players, also with a random EFHW vote:
Hey everybody! Good to be back in a game for the first time in almost a year.

vote: EFHW

infang and WestCoast, nice to meet you guys (well, meet through this mostly anonymous, virtual world in which we find ourselves). If and only if the games are over, how did your first games here on f.ds go for you?

posts 3&4 (skipped 2, didn't see much in it:
Strong town read: Awaclus, e.
Normal town read: mcmc, faust, space
Normal scum read: EFHW, Robz (although I think I always tend to scumread him, I'll reread him after this post).

Everyone else is either null or just pretty neutral.
lolz, Robz has like 2 posts. Yeah, my default is just to scumread Robz. Move him to null.

Very meta aware.  Awaclus and I get strong town reads, which is interesting to me since those are town reads that I have as well.  Then mcmc, faust, and space get town, EFHW (why????) and Robz (because meta) get scum reads.




and....screw it.  I think dylan is town now.  His posts feel very much more in line with "me against the world" than "me and my team trying to nail down townies as lynches"

like this post:
Post 198 from fang reminds me of something I did in (I think) NM9, when as scum I pointed out some flawed reasoning a guy was using to townread me, and basically told him not to give me town points for that. You don't see many people (especially town) actively turn away town points unless doing so has even more pro-town benefits than having someone reading you as town correctly, even though the reasons are wrong. So this seems like a very new scum post.  Combined with his voting pattern at EoD and the recent stuff, I'm very happy leaving my vote on infangthief for a while, preferably until he's on guillotine.

and this post:
Vote: Dylan for putting me on his scum list and then reconsidering.

Robz, I don't necessarily remember how my gut used to read everyone here that I've played with, but I definitely remember having to fight against gut reading you as scum.  When I posted that list, my gut said you were scum, but then as I typed it, I remembered the aforementioned fact and decided to see if there was anything specific that I saw that justified that read. I decided to hit post and then check rather than checking so I could edit my post to make sure it was just right.

and even a little bit of this post:
E also seems to be trying to stay in the background. I think most of the people who have been doing a lot of talking (pps, EFHW, infang) have been doing so from a towny perspective.

It feels like we are playing with like 7 people instead of 14. There are definitely some folks whoíve had very little interaction. They respond to a prod and then disappear again. E, robz, mcmc, Joseph, Dylan, Swan, and Space all seem to me to be on the fringes, perhaps allowing us to just pick on one another.
Upon cursory investigation, at least 2 of those actually have more posts than you...

My list might well have some inaccuracies (I'm on my phone so limited searching ability) but my question is, is my impression correct? Does it feel like everyone is playing? More to the point, is that normal?

My whole purpose in continuing to play a game that I am not very good at is to learn how to do it better. It seems like being around infrequently and/or randomly would be better for scum. Is that right?

Responding specifically to italics: This just depends on the person. Some people are very good at being very active, controlling the discussion, and actively manipulating town as scum, while others do what you are suggesting and try to blend into the background and only post the bare minimum. I tend to operate under the assumption that most people's activity level is a result of irl business and so I don't look at activity level as being a worthwhile starting point for a case. A point in a more comprehensive case, sure, but not the primary one, outside of extreme cases.

I'll be back on later this evening with a lot more free time to reread the last few pages.

although that last one is more of just big concept theory

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: M119: Towny Mafia (D2!)
« on: November 09, 2018, 09:00:40 pm »
3 beers in, grabbing the 4th.  building the case now.  Its gonna be good.  Better than my atrocious dominion play over the last 2 hours.

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: M119: Towny Mafia (D2!)
« on: November 09, 2018, 06:08:57 pm »
bah.  I promised to do a reread and case on Dylan but I have yet to do it. 

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