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Re: M137: Hatchling Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #825 on: March 02, 2022, 03:37:47 pm »

For example, there are very few posts from gkrieg between these two:

I'm wondering what people's thoughts are about joth.  Specifically, I'd like to hear from fang and gkrieg about this... but other people's thoughts might be helpful too.

I think I already elaborated a little, I think there are certain partnerships where scum!joth doesn't make sense.

Beyond that, pretty neutral.

scola is definitely my top choice of exile, then joth, then math. As in, I would change my vote to joth to stop math from being exiled.

I think we are at math 4, joth 3, scola 3, with infangthief voting alone?

How do we go from "pretty neutral" to #2 exile choice?

Just going where the current wind blow? Just finding anything that seems in vogue do you don't upset any apple carts?

Just feels so opportunistic coming out strong against scola and then on board with any main wagon. No actual scum hunting coming from gkrieg
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Re: M137: Hatchling Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #826 on: March 02, 2022, 03:39:46 pm »

This joth wagon though with Didds, pasta, EFHW....it just feels like a bad wagon.
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Re: M137: Hatchling Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #827 on: March 02, 2022, 04:06:12 pm »

What do you think about my post ~815?
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Re: M137: Hatchling Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #828 on: March 02, 2022, 04:20:17 pm »

joth, could you take a look at #781 please.
What's insurance, and why were you thinking Didds might be scum on D1?

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As for Didds, the cases that I found convincing in the moment were Galzria's and e's, but that was building on me already scumreading Didds day 1 based on mostly a gut read. So it was kind of all piling up.
This reads scummy to me, joth. Galz's case saw what he wanted to see. e's case is that she was around at EOD1. And you feel those are convincing, plus you have a non-specific gut read. It seems like you don't have any scumreads at all if this is the strongest one.

vote: Joth

I feel like you are stating all the reasons that joth is town, then calling him scum. I felt his transition onto the Didds wagon was towny.
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Re: M137: Hatchling Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #829 on: March 02, 2022, 04:22:48 pm »

This is a solid case. I'm honestly loving the Didds cases, but I was nervous because of my scumread on e. But that was a day 1 case, so maybe it's time to let it go and go for something stronger.

Vote: WCD

Especially the flip from calling me scum straight out of the gate, then joining me on Didds.

Scum don't flip-flop like that early D2
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Re: M137: Hatchling Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #830 on: March 02, 2022, 04:55:23 pm »

vote: gkrieg13

I would recommend Didds or MiX also.
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Re: M137: Hatchling Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #831 on: March 02, 2022, 04:58:20 pm »

For example, there are very few posts from gkrieg between these two:

I'm wondering what people's thoughts are about joth.  Specifically, I'd like to hear from fang and gkrieg about this... but other people's thoughts might be helpful too.

I think I already elaborated a little, I think there are certain partnerships where scum!joth doesn't make sense.

Beyond that, pretty neutral.

scola is definitely my top choice of exile, then joth, then math. As in, I would change my vote to joth to stop math from being exiled.

I think we are at math 4, joth 3, scola 3, with infangthief voting alone?

How do we go from "pretty neutral" to #2 exile choice?

Just going where the current wind blow? Just finding anything that seems in vogue do you don't upset any apple carts?

Just feels so opportunistic coming out strong against scola and then on board with any main wagon. No actual scum hunting coming from gkrieg

Going from "pretty neutral" to #2 of the current wagons. I'm not saying he is my #2 exile choice of all players. I was strictly stating my preferences on the current wagons. How does "As in, I would change my vote to joth to stop math from being exiled." make any sense with how you are interpreting that quote?

Outside of misunderstanding the post you link above, has anything else I've done been opportunistic? I have been telling people scola is scum since the beginning of the Day, and I'm first on the wagon.
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Re: M137: Hatchling Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #832 on: March 02, 2022, 04:59:32 pm »

gkrieg, I'd be interested in your responses to #708 (by me) and #749 (by mathdude).

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Re: M137: Hatchling Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #833 on: March 02, 2022, 05:11:15 pm »

EFHW, you did a Didds reread and don't think she's scum.

What do you think of my observation here (post #668)?

As much as I like the metaphor of the nest, I am not at all fond of the idea that anyone could be pushed out of the nest to splat on the sidewalk!

I could see a Didds/MiX/X team

you doing the good drugs? that makes no sense to me at all.
I want to ask, why? I mean, if you are town then you don't need to say this, you just know that it's wrong. Weird (for you, I think?) to say "that makes no sense". Someone's probably already asked why, I'll read on.
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Re: M137: Hatchling Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #834 on: March 02, 2022, 05:13:42 pm »

The joth not buying the case on me is interesting. On the one hand, if he were scum I think he'd try to jump on it, as if I get exiled, he can easily play it off. So town points for him not jumping on.

But WIFOM always exists. I just don't see it as much.

I am starting to like the case on gkrieg. One thing I noticed is that he did seem more active on D1 that in other recent games.

Vote: gkrieg
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Re: M137: Hatchling Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #835 on: March 02, 2022, 05:15:04 pm »

scolapasta, what is the case on gkrieg?
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Re: M137: Hatchling Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #836 on: March 02, 2022, 05:23:34 pm »

I think we're currently at:

mathdude (3) : Galzria, Swowl, jotheonah
jotheonah (3) : WestCoastDidds, mathdude, EFHW
gkrieg13 (3) : 2.71828......, infangthief, scolapasta
scolapasta (2) : gkrieg13, MiX

mathdude has been on 3 for longest, then joth, then gkrieg.
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Re: M137: Hatchling Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #837 on: March 02, 2022, 05:26:56 pm »

The joth not buying the case on me is interesting. On the one hand, if he were scum I think he'd try to jump on it, as if I get exiled, he can easily play it off. So town points for him not jumping on.

Why should he have jumped on your wagon? It was joth-5, scola-3, mathdude-3. Joth could have made it 5-4-2, but that doesn't help him that much.
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Re: M137: Hatchling Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #838 on: March 02, 2022, 05:27:05 pm »

I'm happy with my vote staying on joth. But I'm also very willing to switch to pasta. At this point, I would only switch to someone other than those 2 for self-preservation.
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Re: M137: Hatchling Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #839 on: March 02, 2022, 05:33:36 pm »

I do think scum!WCD is willing to save her partner scum!e, like she did.

What does this mean?

It looks to me like you are saying that you think WCD and e are both scum. But elsewhere you are saying that you think e is likely town, and that people who think WCD is scum should be voting for her, which you're not.

Am I missing something?

I think this is missing hypotheticals.

I'm mainly saying that if e and WCD are scum, she would have saved e by boldly voting for Dylan at the last moment.

I think it is likely that e and WCD are town though.
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Re: M137: Hatchling Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #840 on: March 02, 2022, 05:35:22 pm »

I'm wondering what people's thoughts are about joth.  Specifically, I'd like to hear from fang and gkrieg about this... but other people's thoughts might be helpful too.

I think I already elaborated a little, I think there are certain partnerships where scum!joth doesn't make sense.

Beyond that, pretty neutral.

Other than the post a few before this quoted one, I don't see that you really mention joth - so I'm not sure what this "elaboration" is, unless it was just that other post.  And if that's the case, you seem to contradict yourself - if e is scum, then potential partner joth made an expert move to ensure Dylan's exile.  But then you say you don't think joth thinks about those things.  And now you say there are certain partnerships where scum!joth doesn't make sense.

So basically, I'm completely not following your train of thoughts here.

I think this might be another hypotheticals problem.

I think that if both e and joth are scum, joth does not make the move he made and fully know that it saves e. I think you are correct though, that this does not mean that joth is not scum.
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Re: M137: Hatchling Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #841 on: March 02, 2022, 06:07:44 pm »

I am starting to like the case on gkrieg. One thing I noticed is that he did seem more active on D1 that in other recent games.

I feel like gkrieg gets active, is exiled over it, goes less active, is killed over it, and just keeps going in this loop without anyone seriously listening to him.

I have a funny feeling this is just part of the cycle, instead of him being scum now.
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Re: M137: Hatchling Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #842 on: March 02, 2022, 06:59:36 pm »

Thanks gkrieg.

vote: Didds
I think that's where I want to be.

I'm happy with my vote staying on joth. But I'm also very willing to switch to pasta. At this point, I would only switch to someone other than those 2 for self-preservation.
Why not Didds?
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Re: M137: Hatchling Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #843 on: March 02, 2022, 07:03:41 pm »

EFHW, you did a Didds reread and don't think she's scum.

What do you think of my observation here (post #668)?

As much as I like the metaphor of the nest, I am not at all fond of the idea that anyone could be pushed out of the nest to splat on the sidewalk!

I could see a Didds/MiX/X team

you doing the good drugs? that makes no sense to me at all.
I want to ask, why? I mean, if you are town then you don't need to say this, you just know that it's wrong. Weird (for you, I think?) to say "that makes no sense". Someone's probably already asked why, I'll read on.
I think I see the angle you are taking - it sounds to you, I think, like she doesn't know her own alignment.  I read it as she can't see how e got to that team from the available information.
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Re: M137: Hatchling Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #844 on: March 02, 2022, 07:07:17 pm »

ok, thanks, I will ponder that angle then.
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Re: M137: Hatchling Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #845 on: March 02, 2022, 07:08:19 pm »

Ok, cool. I feel like I'm not playing the same game as everyone else!
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Re: M137: Hatchling Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #846 on: March 02, 2022, 07:11:02 pm »

Ok, cool. I feel like I'm not playing the same game as everyone else!

Why is this?


Unrelated, I'm trying to ISO scola, it's so not fun that he was active in his latest scum game. It makes me not want to read it. So I need to go aaaaall the way back to find a game where scola was this inactive. Does anyone know one off the top of their head?
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Re: M137: Hatchling Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #847 on: March 02, 2022, 07:11:50 pm »

joth, could you take a look at #781 please.
What's insurance, and why were you thinking Didds might be scum on D1?

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As for Didds, the cases that I found convincing in the moment were Galzria's and e's, but that was building on me already scumreading Didds day 1 based on mostly a gut read. So it was kind of all piling up.
This reads scummy to me, joth. Galz's case saw what he wanted to see. e's case is that she was around at EOD1. And you feel those are convincing, plus you have a non-specific gut read. It seems like you don't have any scumreads at all if this is the strongest one.

vote: Joth

I feel like you are stating all the reasons that joth is town, then calling him scum. I felt his transition onto the Didds wagon was towny.
Case in point.  Which part of the transition was towny?
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Re: M137: Hatchling Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #848 on: March 02, 2022, 07:14:06 pm »

Ok, cool. I feel like I'm not playing the same game as everyone else!

Why is this?
Because people are reading Didds as scummy and I can't see it. And then e says the reasons I find joth scummy are actually reasons he is towny.
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Re: M137: Hatchling Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #849 on: March 02, 2022, 07:16:04 pm »

I think we're currently at:

mathdude (3) : Galzria, Swowl, jotheonah
jotheonah (3) : WestCoastDidds, mathdude, EFHW
gkrieg13 (3) : 2.71828......, infangthief, scolapasta
scolapasta (2) : gkrieg13, MiX

mathdude has been on 3 for longest, then joth, then gkrieg.
I didn't notice the Didds wagon dissolving. Interesting.
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