Ok here are my thoughts:
So I agree with TA about ash and Andrew. More so about Andrew, but I believe at this point that this whole thing has been town v town. I am less sure about ashersky for a variety of reasons, but I am pretty confident that WW is not Andrew's partner. Ash I have read your posts. I thought about them, I promise you with an open mind. But I disagree on them. When I combine that with my previous town read on Andrew and my previous experience with Andrew--and his previous experiences--I DO NOT think they can be partners.
- This is established by WW voting for andrew and then you and then andrew all through day1. I agree that the "there must be one scum in this group" can be used as scum. But I think it is more often used as newbie scum to try and get two mislynches... Miss on the first... oh well, must be the second!
- how WW had a huge back and forth with Andrew Day2. I don't think that was contrived. Well it was contrived as WW was pushing to get Andrew lynched for what I think were faulty reasons, but I don't think it was contrived between the two of them. There were too many little odd ball things going on, miscues, miscommunications. If it was fake both of them would know too easily what the other was talking about. Instead lots of clarification was needed and it was really confusing on both parties. Looks real. I almost didn't shoot WW because of this interaction.
- furthermore by how Andrew responded to WW day2, particularly before my suggestion to Dayvig him and compounded by how he responded after my suggestion.
Now as for why I believe that you aren't partners with WW:
- I already talked about WW switching back and forth from Andrew to ash. I don't think he does that to a partner. Leaves a mislynch to go to a partner and then back and then the other and then back. More likely going back and forth from one mislynch to the next...
- ash's response to me saying I wanted to dayvig WW day1. Ash could very easily realize that he would have to respond that way, but I think he would know that people would expect him to react that way. Plus it is me. I think ash would believe he could talk me out of it... and he probably could have and would have tried if WW was a partner.
- point to remember when I asked about the trio ash didn't talk about WW other than to say he was active. He said arch was towniest and "ADK is playing" so didn't really push for a shot either way... more town ash behavior I think.
TA:
I am still not fully convinced that TA is town. Ash is implying as much. And ash, do you think that your implications from yesterday might be why you were ultimately roleblocked? Especially note that in particular WW picked up on whatever hints you were dropping even if others in the game didn't. But regardless I don't want to lynch TA right now. Ash's stuff, plus how he responded to me make him less likely to be scum, even if not an IC from my point of view at the moment.
So that leaves: Jimmmmm, xerxes, xeiron and Archetype.
Jimmmm:
WW - started pretty hard on Jimmmmm day2. Like very aggressive. Second probably only to how was aggressive to Jimmmm. Kinda similar in how many miscommunications and clarifications there were...
WW made two large reads posts: I'll quote both under each individual player:
Jimm.. everyone thinks he's scummy. I don't recall much explanation though. I'll have to look back here too.
In addition he has a reread of Jimmmm where he basically says "people think Jimmmm is scummy. I don't really see it, but see why they might think that." This is how I think newer scum busses.
I already posted my reread results on Jimmm. His play reminds me of Faust (scum) in the same game, who was fairly non-present during Day 1, but came in with a pre-established reason to hammer the mislynch (in Faust's case, a VT claim; in Jimm's case, a strategy policy of preferring lynching over non-lynching).
In addition Jimmmmm was second onto the WW wagon. I believe it was after I had stated intent to shoot one of them, so he chose WW. Hmmm.... But that was immediately after I posted my intention and I don't know if he saw that post or not. Regardless if Jimmmm is scum he was bussing and kinda OMGUS bussing as well.
Xerxes:
Xerxes .. what mostly stands out is the claiming. He has a flavor claim and a role claim that fits the flavor (not what I would have guessed, but it does fit very well), but he decided to claim them without anyone asking, any suspicion on him, or anyone agreeing that claiming was good. And his role seems to be non-verifiable (today). Not sure what to take from it.. he says it helps us narrow down scum, but it doesn't really at all if it doesn't make him look any more town.
Okay so.. I would want someone from the set of {ADK, Xeiron, Xerxes, Jimmm, Archetype, Ash}. My preferences would probably be ADK or Jimm, maybe Xerxes. I'd prefer to wait on Ash unless he comes back before deadline.
I guess I have some thoughts on Xerxes. He flavor claimed out of the blue on day 1, and then role claimed unprompted on day 2. And his target died, so the claim (which I assume would normally be easy to confirm) can't be confirmed. Okay that's suspicious. On the other hand, flavor and role match up pretty well. Not what I would have guessed, but it makes sense. Comes out voting Ash and I don't really follow his explanation.
xerxes has a complete lack of presence with WW and wasn't around to give an opinion--or just didn't give--on who I should shoot...
Xeiron:
Xeiron. There was a lot of talk about him being super scummy towards the end of Day 1. I think from Andrew. I didn't really follow it, so I'll have to go back.
Xeiron... he had that weird interaction with Jimm at the beginning of the game about questioning Yuma's claim.. and then a much larger discussion today about a similar thing. Xeiron and Jimm seemed to switch sides on the issue, which I found a little odd, but, like has been said, people change their minds. I still didn't figure out why people said he was super scummy on Day 1... I don't think anyone ever justified it. His Day 2 behavior with Yuma I find more questionable, because of my first paragraph.
he expressed a solid townread on WW. Did you ever explain why you had this xeiron?
Archetype:
Archetype.. very quiet. Comes out with a vote on Ash without much of a reason, except saying he wanted to do it yesterday. I'm not sure why he wanted to do it yesterday. And a very confusing argument about Andrew being alive incriminating Ash. I don't think it makes sense. If anything is to be gained from the Andrew is alive, ADK's point seemed more reasonable. So suspicious.
Archetype.. non-present as well. When he does post he seems to post about reads, but doesn't ever say why, or when he does the explanations don't really resonate with me.
I think that if WW is partners with Archetype that he says more about him in these posts. In addition I am confused why WW is questioning his logic on Ash/Andrew, who he wanted to lynch day1 and kinda did day2. Makes me think that he is changing his view and trying to make Archetype look scummy for what he thought previously (because he somehow knows that suspecting ash/andrew is a scummy thing to do because he as scum is doing it).
This post is also interesting:
Quick post from work using buddies phone...
I hate to do this as I don't think it is optimal ic play but I feel given our status we have to... I am limiting the field of potential candidates to: ADK witherweaver and Archetype.
Please focus hunting efforts on these three! consider l1 intent to hammer from me and claim at that point if you desire.
Focus on who their partners could or could not be. I would like to shoot when I get home from work... so we have time to talk and lynch again if I hit scum.
I understand that you might have scum reads on others but please focus on these three. I have thought hard about this and hopefully am on the right track.
Well not me 
ADK and Archetype feel very similar to me. It's tough to think in terms of partners because they've barely been interacting.
ADK with Ash could make some sense. ADK and Andrewis both did the "slip", and Ash jumped on Andrewis a lot harder than ADK. There was a cover that ADK allowed for some uncertainty in his wording, but that is a little flimsy. It's possible Ash could be deflecting from suspicion on ADK by focusing heavily on Andrew.
If ADK and Archetype are both scum, then their partner probably has to be someone more present.
As he doesn't separate out ADK and archetype here... ADK is known town. IF arch is scum does he push more aggressively to get ADK lynched instead. I think probably yes. But he doesn't making arch appear more townie so WW was willing for either of them to be the dayvig target... I think...
Another post here that I want to note:
...for people I'd be willing to lynch. In order from most wanting to lynch to least:
ashersky > xeiron > A Drowned Kernel > Jimmmmm > Witherweaver >>> Twistedarcher
I think that TA is town, but a Scum thief isn't unheared of. So he's not off the table, but you'd have to twist my archer arm to get him lynched.
Did you have a reread of Xeiron and ADK that puts them in this position?
ADK is confirmed town. Why is WW concerned about Xeiron being ahead of ADK? Makes me suspicious of Xeiron.
So of the four I least want to lynch Archetype I think. Jimmm probably next. Xerxes and xeiron are my top candidates. At the least I think both should full claim at some point... NOT RIGHT NOW. Xerxes because he already has claimed quite a bit and xeiron to explain what is going on with him... I might change my mind about the main candidates after hearing from them...
I want to hear from others and then we can discuss mass claiming and I'll set up a tree to do that with...
Keep in mind I could be wrong about ashersky (and andrew as well) and TA's read is mostly predicated on ash's results...
prod Jimmmm please
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