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I think e should definitely be taken off the table, at least for now. If he's scum, then at least they'll keep faust alive in order to keep e's cover. If he's Town, then they probably have no way of getting past e's Bodyguard since the we generally believe that scum probably wouldn't have taken JoAT. If faust dies, that probably means e is scum, but may mean they have a JoAT.

does joat kill through bodyguard? Because bodyguard doesn't prevent a kill it just deflects it onto yourself. Strongman says that the NK can't be blocked. Deflected seems different to me.

[Jimmmmm]

From the JoAT PM: "This kill will unable to be blocked by any method."
I take that to mean that it gets through a Bodyguard.

yuma: If Player 1, a JoAT, performs a Strongman kill on Player 2, and Player 3, a Bodyguard, guards Player 2 on the same Night, is it correct that Player 2 will die and Player 3 will not?

[yuma]

From the JoAT PM: "This kill will unable to be blocked by any method."
I take that to mean that it gets through a Bodyguard.

yuma: If Player 1, a JoAT, performs a Strongman kill on Player 2, and Player 3, a Bodyguard, guards Player 2 on the same Night, is it correct that Player 2 will die and Player 3 will not?

The Bodyguard is a protective role and one that a Strongman kill would go through. As such in this scenario only Player 2 would die.

[Morgrim7]

Vote: Jorbles

[ashersky]

Vote: Jorbles

That's L-2.

[yuma]

Vote Count 1.9

Robz (1): Teproc
2.7 (4): Walrus, mcmcsalot, Jorbles, Faust
ashersky (1): Voltaire
Jorbles (5): Jimmmmm, Robz, 2.7, ashersky, Morgrim (L-2)

Not Voting (1): manda

With 12 alive it takes 7 to lynch.

Day1 will end in ~ 3 days on December 4 at 10 pm forum time

[Morgrim7]

Who unvoted? Or maybe I'm tired. Or maybe I'm sick. Or maybe I'm dead...
unvote

[manda2014]

Woah woah woah I missed a big day apparently....

I agree that, after claiming, 2.7 should be taken off the table for now until we have more solid information to analyze than just D1 speculation (I'm not counter-claiming, by the way).

I didn't like the idea of a random-ish Jorbles lynch at first, but the more I think about it the more it seems like, while perhaps not an elegant solution, it's no less of a good idea than anything we can get out of D1 analysis. I think I'm cool with doing that and seeing what comes out of it, so, especially with the soft deadline fast approaching, vote: Jorbles

[Robz888]

Just to reiterate, we need every currently living non-e2.7 player to say whether he/she is/isn't the Bodyguard... before we lynch Jorbles.

So Unvote until that happens.

[ashersky]

Just to reiterate, we need every currently living non-e2.7 player to say whether he/she is/isn't the Bodyguard... before we lynch Jorbles.

So Unvote until that happens.

Town cred grab?  Scum!robz.

Noted for future discussion.

[Morgrim7]

I am not the bodyguard.

[Jimmmmm]

I'm intrigued at how easy it was to transfer everyone from e to Jorbles...

[Jimmmmm]

Woah woah woah I missed a big day apparently....

I agree that, after claiming, 2.7 should be taken off the table for now until we have more solid information to analyze than just D1 speculation (I'm not counter-claiming, by the way).

I didn't like the idea of a random-ish Jorbles lynch at first, but the more I think about it the more it seems like, while perhaps not an elegant solution, it's no less of a good idea than anything we can get out of D1 analysis. I think I'm cool with doing that and seeing what comes out of it, so, especially with the soft deadline fast approaching, vote: Jorbles

Not sure I like this reason.

[Robz888]

I'm intrigued at how easy it was to transfer everyone from e to Jorbles...

Agreed.

[Robz888]

Just to reiterate, we need every currently living non-e2.7 player to say whether he/she is/isn't the Bodyguard... before we lynch Jorbles.

So Unvote until that happens.

Town cred grab?  Scum!robz.

Noted for future discussion.

No, I was actually fearful that this might get ignored. Claim Bodyguard in face of likely lynch, hope town is too lurky to get true claim posted in time? Would not be the strangest scum play ever.

[ashersky]

I'm intrigued at how easy it was to transfer everyone from e to Jorbles...

Agreed.

Deadline approaches and we've had little activity up to now due to holiday vla. 

The claim was just so wrong for scum, I think.  It could be a Brilliant ploy to stay alive, but risky if there is a real bodyguard and not worth much to out him.

[Robz888]

Yeah I think the claim is very likely true but still.

[WalrusMcFishSr]

OK OK. Crazy developments.

e claims? Interesting. Well I'm not counter-claiming. At first glance it's believable to me. I guess that would explain why he seemed to have been acting differently (although the last couple long reads posts have been more what I expected).

I am blown away by how quickly this Jorbles thing grew. I don't think it's natural. I just did a reread of Jorbles. Yeah it's not much of a presence. It could conceivably be scummy. But for 5 people to collectively decide that some random person needed to be lynched? That seems irrational to me. Are you afraid of the soft deadline? Confused in the aftermath of e's early claim? Or trying to make a bad lynch happens? It feels like falling into another of the D1 mislynches I've seen in other recent games. It would be nice to at least hear from the guy to see how he reacts.

So I feel like there's more likely scum on this wagon right now. I think I'm going back to vote: Robz

[Robz888]

Why? Why are you voting for me?

[WalrusMcFishSr]

I changed my mind actually. vote: ashersky

[Robz888]

Okay. Why?

[WalrusMcFishSr]

I had misremembered the timing of your Jorbles vote. I feel like ash's vote feels the scummiest here, working on the hypothesis that Jorbles is a mislynch. He was late on both the e wagon and now this wagon, pushing things along.

[ashersky]

I had misremembered the timing of your Jorbles vote. I feel like ash's vote feels the scummiest here, working on the hypothesis that Jorbles is a mislynch. He was late on both the e wagon and now this wagon, pushing things along.

Throwing stuff around to see what sticks?

If you want a scummy voter on Jorbles, look no further than manda.  I was pushing things along.  More than you, mr one post a day to lurk my way through the game as scum.

[WalrusMcFishSr]

I considered manda. And Morgrim. manda is new and I thought might be disproportionately swayed by the importance of the soft deadline. Morgrim just likes to lynch people.

If you don't like my posting style I don't know what to tell you. I'm just doing my thing man.

[Jimmmmm]

I think we should use what time we have, unless of course that results in a lack of urgency causing little to no posting. As long as we'll have people around to hammer before deadline, there's no reason to end the Day early.