First off, Yuma is different from other players. You can't suspect him for some things (like you would for other people) because... he never does them. This is why he so very rarely gets lynched. You also can't give him towncred (like you would for other people) for some things because he always does those things, regardless of alignment. Example of this are contributing heavily, and making bold moves. A prime example of this is mean girls, where he spontaneously claimed watcher under no pressure on D2 as scum. I think the best way to catch scum!yuma is to look at the motives behind his posts. At the core, that's what all scum hunting is about.
I'm also a bit more confident in my read than perhaps I should be because I've had success catching scum!yuma before. Again, mean girls is a good example. I didn't buy his watcher claim, and so suspected him for it and advocating his lynch. I caved in because everyone else wanted to lynch my second scumread, who flipped town. That night I was nightkilled, and scum!yuma ended up winning. And I was not happy in the speccy watching it happen.
Okay, reasons to suspect yuma:
- As I said in my robz reread, his only comment on voltgloss was a slight townread, so his partner was probably the one who suspected voltgloss.
Here yuma votes for voltgloss. He defends this vote a couple times later.
- Hammers faust. I've done a 180 on this since I had a townread on yuma for this previously, but I don't think it's confirmation bias. At first I thought it was townie because it's a bold move that he doesn't have to make as scum, and gains very little from it, but now I consider that it is yuma. As scum he does have something to gain, and if he is scum, he did gain. Many people gave him towncred for the hammer. It also cut the day short, perhaps made it less likely for him to be NKed. It made the faust lynch go from 99% going to happen to 100%. Lastly, if faust did flip whatever type of scum yuma isn't, yuma doesn't get quite as much suspicion for it. What does he risk? really, not much. He got some rage votes for it, but really, we never lynch those who quickhammer for quickhammering. What's more, he has done similar things as town before, so he has an excuse for it. Could he have done it as town too? totally, so the hammer is pretty null. Just explaining why I no longer think he should get towncred for it.
- he then says it's unfortunate that he isn't dead. And has to check to see if he isn't dead... this I feel is fake because I for one always eagerly check the first post of the day, not so much to see if I'm dead, but to see what happened in general. He claims not to have done it. Especially in a multiball game where there's a very real chance of scum dying overnight! Also, as town he shouldn't want to draw a NK, he should want scum to hit each other. There aren't and town PRs to protect anyway, the only one we have had already claimed. This is actually a big deal, because he seems to be saying that part of the reason behind the hammer was to draw the NK. Again, compare to mean girls, where he claimed watcher. This was suspicious, because there was no reason for him to claim watcher as town. Here, this is suspicious because there is no reason for him to want to draw the NK. This sort of anti-towniness isn't suspicious for other people because they do it often... yuma usually only does this sort of thing as scum.
- When he votes archetype, it appears to be just to get him to talk, and he specifically says that he doesn't particularly suspect arch. But then he ends up wanting him lynched? He had been emphasizing that arch has a mislynch meta prior to that... he makes a post looking at the times when arch was scum, but I'm not sure what the point/conclusion was...
- Has had a lot of heavy emotions. When he hammered faust, when voltaire rage voted him, and when arch flipped town. Especially the one where arch flipped town seems exaggerated... not because he shouldn't be that mad (I think that's understandable) it's that he didn't really express it prior to the flip. Was he just assuming that arch was scum before that?
- questions my post where I suspect him as eevee's partner... and then when I explain it, backs off, saying he can't explain why eevee had those interactions with him. Then, when I press him, asking if he would disagree with the points if they were made on a different player:
E.i., is there a reason that you would disagree with said points if they were made on a different player?
I don't know. Maybe. That is hard to say because that is a situation that doesn't exist, so I can't really say what I would think. Right now I know the points are incorrect because I know what I know. If I didn't know what I know it might have more weight--probably would--but I can't hypothesize what I would think in that situation because I am not in that situation.
So I guess I would consider it and see if it was of worth, whereas here I am just completely rejecting it because of what I know.
...And then a couple hours later in his next post he votes for me, citing POE. But this I think is really scummy. It's avoiding the question. He doesn't have a refutation, but doesn't want to admit it. If he were town I think he would just look at if the reasoning behind my suspicion was valid, and then tell the truth, perhaps even admitting that it looks bad, but is an unfortunate coincidence.
- gets ice and fire mafia backwards twice, something that I think is likely fake. I can believe it happening once, but twice? I think he's doing it to make it look like he isn't either one, because if he was either one he wouldn't make those mistakes.
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So that's the stuff yuma himself said. The stuff eevee/robz said about him:
robz said very little about yuma's hammer, ended up saying that he just didn't want to lynch him. Right after yuma's hammer he said "Thanks for hammering your partner". This makes sense if yuma is his partner because it separates the two of them if faust flips scum (sort of bussing), and if faust flips town no harm done.
eevee (modified from my reread post on him:
I recall Voltgloss having some strong opinions. Should go back to check what they were in the light of someone wanting to kill him.
What were they?
I went back to look now, and seems the thing I was recalling was nothing Voltgloss said himself - it was the fact yuma suspected him day 1, which isn't something I'd expect to happen. No idea what to make of that though.
Why doesn't he know what to make of it? this is something that's pretty clearly scummy in this setup. player A suspects player B, player B turns up dead, player A is suspicious. But eevee doesn't know what to make of this. Now, this is especially interesting because eevee's team didn't kill voltgloss, robz888's team did. So, if yuma is eevee's partner, eevee KNOWS that yuma suspecting voltgloss isn't scummy, because he didn't kill him! but if he isn't eevee partner, eevee should suspect yuma for this.
- has scumread on yuma for hammer, talks w/yuma a fair bit about why, explaining himself, etc. But he never votes for yuma!
- posts reads w/out explanation (including townread on yuma all of a sudden), says will explain later. does:
yuma: Should probably explain this in it's own post, especially as I'm blanking on verbalizing the reasons for the 180° right now.
He never explains his reasoning for the sudden townread on yuma!
So that's just about it.
Vote: Yuma, but
Unvote because no lynch is better.
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