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[Jimmmmm]

48 hours to lynch. Absent a super-compelling case, I'm very likely to vote for the person who's the most viable lynch.

I guess scum would be less likely to say something this scummy, but I dislike this theory. It's like you are telling scum "no worries, we won't even try to hit you today, just vote for some townie and I'll follow".

Or you are scum and just bold.

Or I am Town and just have no idea.

Even if you are, telling that to scum is rather unhelpful, don't you think? Seems more like scum trying to absolve themselves from responsibility for a bad vote beforehand.

You could consider it that I'm encouraging people to make cases because they're likely to get my support. Fact is we need a lynch, and while I have a scumread in Gveoniz, I have no idea how to feel about anyone else.

[yuma]

well arch's return left a lot to be desired... whereas lio's at least at something to it.

I am fine with lynching arch. Best case he is scum, worst case we lose someone who barely cares enough to post in the game and explain made up reads.

[Jimmmmm]

well arch's return left a lot to be desired... whereas lio's at least at something to it.

I am fine with lynching arch. Best case he is scum, worst case we lose someone who barely cares enough to post in the game and explain made up reads.

I do agree that I prefer Arch over lio.

[yuma]

48 hours to lynch. Absent a super-compelling case, I'm very likely to vote for the person who's the most viable lynch.

Move to arch. There is a 1/2 decent case on him by 2.7 and he is the most viable lynch at this point.

[Robz888]

Vote: Archetype

Will also vote for Gveoniz. Liopoil and Jimm have done enough to avoid the lurker lynch, at which point I would need like other reasons to lynch them, and I don't have any.

If Archetype is scum, I think Eevee is suspicious. I know Eevee is voting for Arch, but I feel like he keeps trying to subtly push things in a different direction. Like just now when he said, okay doesn't matter which lurker, let's do the one Voltaire thinks (even though we all mostly prefer Arch), and then tried to find Jimm scummy for something that even he doesn't really think is scummy.

[Voltaire]

Eh, don't like an arch lynch.

vote: Robz

[2.71828.....]

Voltaire, I am willing to follow where you lead us, provided you explain your reasoning.

e is the non-faust voter I'd be most comfortable being the lynch. I definitely think LAL is going to apply here, and I think the best bet is vote: liopoil right now.

Only reason I wouldn't go with Archetype is his mislynched meta. His vote on faust was easily the worst (least useful/helpful) of the lot.

vote: archetype after seeing that he hasn't responded to 2.7's case for 72 hours. The guy does have a mislynch meta, but 72 hours? He has had time to send out pms and start a game (I think this needs to be addressed elsewhere... but if you don't have time to play the games you are in, should you be running them? I think it is a question that we need to address, maybe not here, but it has kinda become a thing....)

But does that make him more likely to be scum? Archetype is not my preferred lurker lynch at all.

Let's all sheep the dead ashersky and vote: liopoil!

Eh, don't like an arch lynch.

vote: Robz

You have done quite a bit of back and forth since you left your yuma vote.  First you come out and say LAL, and put liopoil out as they lurker of choice.  You give a reason for not wanting to lynch archetype due to his mislynch meta (which I understand for D1, but D2?), confirm again that archetype is not your preferred lurker lynch, then after an unvote go gack to liopoil with the (partially joking? maybe serious) comment about sheeping ashersky, then switch over to Robz after he joins the archetype wagon.

I really don't want to go against the IC, but please, help us out and explain yourself a little more.  You do not even have to worry about your reasoning coming across scummy. 

We will trust you, you are the doctor, but you have to give us a little more than what you have in the past few posts.

[yuma]

Eh, don't like an arch lynch.

I disagree. What to you looks town about his latest post? What looks town about his complete lack of response to 2.7's case.

I realize that scum wants to look townie, but we need to hold arch accountable. I have already brought this up with him and he is aware of it. (parts clipped from the quote to make it shorter)

I really didnt' want to vote for you arch. Because you are constantly mislynched... but is these sort of things that sometimes force my hand. Seriously... do you see that these sort of things make you look scummy? Or do you think that we are just a bunch of dummies who keep mislynching you. Someone is to blame, I thought that it might have just been f.ds getting you wrong, but now I am thinking that a lot of the blame falls on you for being a scummy player when town, you have to take some responsibility for that... so I guess I won't vote for you, but maybe you are scum this time?

I take almost all responsibility for me being mislynched so often. I am a scummy player. I don't think I've ever said I wasn't (not that you're saying I have). If you think I'm scum, then vote for me. They're your reads, man.

So basically what we have here is archetype saying that he is responsible. That means that he acknowledges that his play is scummy and if he is town he should change it and try to not be mislynched. But he hasn't! So either he is town who is purposely misleading town by purposely being scummy (some sort of badge of honor of being mislynched so often?) or he is scum hiding behind a scummy meta.

either way he should go down. I have completely changed my view point on this but he knows his meta is scummy and has been given the opportunity to change it. But he hasn't.

[sudgy]

As yuma said, Arch's return wasn't great.  Vote: Archetype.

[Robz888]

That's the hammer.

[sudgy]

That's the hammer.

IT IS?!?!?

[sudgy]

That's the hammer.

IT IS?!?!?

It isn't, he's at L-1, I just checked (based on the last vote count).

[Robz888]

Oh I thought it was 5 to lynch.

[Gveoniz]

I can see that the case against me is mainly frequent mention of newness and uncertainty, buddying and acting differently from NMIV.

The frequent mention of my newness was already talked about and I cannot do much to it unless I am out of my newness or lie to you that I am confident.

Jimmmmm:
For the buddying part, are you taliking about this post?

On things I think about is the toleration of my inactivity (form robz and 2.7?), I personally of course like to be tolerated and understand and appreciate your understandings. But comparing myself with archetype, who is considered (quite) scummy partially because of inactivity. I do have a concern (although there are reasons like "I have more actual content" and  "I am just a semi-newbie") that one may get some benefits that I cannot perceive yet.

It is possible that I just think a bit too much about this and mistreated your kindnesses, if that is the case, please accept my apology.

My intention for that post was to express the concern of them buddying me. to get potential benefits.

I did also stated that 2.7 did a good job in this game considering his newness D1, but I don't think that is buddying considering that he was generally agreed to be doing a great job.


For acting differently, I also have also talked about it. I of course do no act exactly the same in two game, but how differently were they? I cannot see clear different myself (but of course it is not up to me to judge myself).
Jimmmm said that I have used more "I don't know", "I can't say" and "I am unable to feel" in this game. I read through my own post can find 7 posts contining uncertainty, newness and that sort of thing, that is lower than yuma's count here. I can say that is that box in that game is acting clearly scummily so I can do better there
Sudgy also mentioned it but do not said anything in detail.

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I can accept a lurker lynch, 2.7 is also possible.

[2.71828.....]

I wake up to L-1.  I don't want another quickhammer when people still have things to say.  Liopoil explicitly mentioned that he will continue his post from yesterday.  I want to see that before a lynch. 

[2.71828.....]

vote count 2.2.7

2.7 (1)- Archetype
Archetype (5)- Robz, sudgy, yuma, 2.7, eevee
Gveoniz (1)- Jimmmmm
Robz (1)- Voltaire

Not Voting (2)- Liopoil, Gveoniz

[Jimmmmm]

I can see that the case against me is mainly frequent mention of newness and uncertainty, buddying and acting differently from NMIV.

The frequent mention of my newness was already talked about and I cannot do much to it unless I am out of my newness or lie to you that I am confident.

Jimmmmm:
For the buddying part, are you taliking about this post?

On things I think about is the toleration of my inactivity (form robz and 2.7?), I personally of course like to be tolerated and understand and appreciate your understandings. But comparing myself with archetype, who is considered (quite) scummy partially because of inactivity. I do have a concern (although there are reasons like "I have more actual content" and  "I am just a semi-newbie") that one may get some benefits that I cannot perceive yet.

It is possible that I just think a bit too much about this and mistreated your kindnesses, if that is the case, please accept my apology.

My intention for that post was to express the concern of them buddying me. to get potential benefits.

I did also stated that 2.7 did a good job in this game considering his newness D1, but I don't think that is buddying considering that he was generally agreed to be doing a great job.


For acting differently, I also have also talked about it. I of course do no act exactly the same in two game, but how differently were they? I cannot see clear different myself (but of course it is not up to me to judge myself).
Jimmmm said that I have used more "I don't know", "I can't say" and "I am unable to feel" in this game. I read through my own post can find 7 posts contining uncertainty, newness and that sort of thing, that is lower than yuma's count here. I can say that is that box in that game is acting clearly scummily so I can do better there
Sudgy also mentioned it but do not said anything in detail.

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I can accept a lurker lynch, 2.7 is also possible.

Mostly it's the general feel of your posts. You seem a lot more settled and comfortable in the other game; in this one you seem like you feel the need to constantly remind us that you're not sure and you don't know what you're doing.

[Jimmmmm]

I'm not against the Arch lynch. I'm against anyone except Volt hammering now, but will hammer before deadline if no one else does.

[yuma]

speaking from experience an easy way to prevent a hammer is to..... unvote the person at L-1

[liopoil]

That's the hammer.

dude... that was scary! check next time before you say that...

Liopoil explicitly mentioned that he will continue his post from yesterday.  I want to see that before a lynch. 

Indeed. continuing....

Also, I see yuma unvoted to put arch back at L-2. good.

E: I don't get the suspicion on him today much at all. reading through the thread to find why people suspect him, I see a lot of vague reasons, that don't really make much sense. Could someone explain the case on him, if there is one? Apart from that, I think most likely he's getting suspected because he's said a lot and so there are more things to potentially find scummy. Not someone I want to lynch unless someone presents something I haven't seen yet.

Gveoniz: The biggest thing I remember about him is that yuma made a post showing how he says something about his newness/un-sureness in the majority of his posts. Yeah, a lot of newer people talk about how new they are a lot, but this is above normal. Okay, rereading him:

- he was actually the first to comment on the "do not kill" thing, but did not press it. After faust's response, he said he still thought it was weird.

- there's the D > A thing, but he says in that very post that he isn't sure and hasn't really organized his thinking.

- ... but then in his next post he re-affirms D > A, and again says he is not sure! This is more suspicious.

I am surprised that Gveoniz has not gotten as much attention as other lurkers. I think I probably prefer this lynch over an archetype lynch. He does have a bit more content than arch though.....

[liopoil]

whoops, accidentally posted before I was done. I still have Jimmmmm and Eevee to do. Back to work.....

also, yay, inflating post count! 

[2.71828.....]

whoops, accidentally posted before I was done. I still have Jimmmmm and Eevee to do. Back to work.....

also, yay, inflating post count! 

I am usually against these ideas, but I think it has merit this time.

1. It helps scum shoot each other.  We want that.  I think this is the best part.
2. The doc still won't die, and we have an IC, which is good.


Now, Vote: 2.71828..... because he inflated his post count at the beginning.  He even admitted it.

hmmmm....  makes me wonder about liopoil....

[yuma]

I am surprised that Gveoniz has not gotten as much attention as other lurkers. I think I probably prefer this lynch over an archetype lynch. He does have a bit more content than arch though.....

At least Gveoniz responds when you ask him something or present a case on him...

[liopoil]

whoops, accidentally posted before I was done. I still have Jimmmmm and Eevee to do. Back to work.....

also, yay, inflating post count! 

I am usually against these ideas, but I think it has merit this time.

1. It helps scum shoot each other.  We want that.  I think this is the best part.
2. The doc still won't die, and we have an IC, which is good.


Now, Vote: 2.71828..... because he inflated his post count at the beginning.  He even admitted it.

hmmmm....  makes me wonder about liopoil....

is this a joke? you know that post is by sudgy, not me right?

[2.71828.....]

whoops, accidentally posted before I was done. I still have Jimmmmm and Eevee to do. Back to work.....

also, yay, inflating post count! 

I am usually against these ideas, but I think it has merit this time.

1. It helps scum shoot each other.  We want that.  I think this is the best part.
2. The doc still won't die, and we have an IC, which is good.


Now, Vote: 2.71828..... because he inflated his post count at the beginning.  He even admitted it.

hmmmm....  makes me wonder about liopoil....

is this a joke? you know that post is by sudgy, not me right?

I know.  I was just stealing his line, so I thought I should give him credit.  And of course that would be a serious RVS vote.....but we aren't in RVS now are we.  So yes, a joke