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[shraeye]

xeiron has subbed in for modestguineapig.  Starting now.

[shraeye]

Vote Count 1.10
mail-mi (3): Eevee, sudgy, ashersky
Robz (4): mail-mi, liopoil, spiritbears, nkirbit
liopoil (1): mcmcsalot
sudgy (2): yuma, Robz888

Not voting: AHoppy, xeiron

With 12 players alive, it takes 7 to lynch

[sudgy]

To those not voting for mail-mi/Robz (I know xeiron that this will be harder for you as you're subbing in): who do you want to lynch?  It would be nice to get consensus for who will lynch who.

[xeiron]

Hi.
I have been kind of following this game, but I am not up to date.

I will read the game to catch up, but I would be nice if someone could sum up the main cases.

Do we have a a deadline?

[sudgy]

Hi.
I have been kind of following this game, but I am not up to date.

I will read the game to catch up, but I would be nice if someone could sum up the main cases.

Do we have a a deadline?

Deadline is this Friday, soft deadline is today...  Kind of a hard time to replace in...

Anyway, mail-mi's case is that he has been more scummy in general (more than he usually is).  He's had a fair bit of posts that didn't say anything relating to the game.  There's also this post:

Mail-mi, you said previously that the only reason you weren't voting for him already was that he was V/LA. why did that matter to you and why did you decide that didn't matter anymore?

Because I didnt want him quick lunched before he got back, but then he came back with a super scummy post, so I voted.

He wasn't close to being lynched back then.  Not sure what you were worried about.  Losing a partner?

Really. Who would choose me as a partner? Did you even see me in the Ninjas game? I suck at scum.

and something I called him out on:

OKay guys really, Im just not into this game, I won't be a help to town later, and I'm not important. I do not care if i am the lynch, however i have learned from my mistake in bankers and will not self hammmer.

A misslynch hurts town, always. If you are town, fight your lynch, if you are scum, carry on.

So, after being called out for it, he says this:

@all: sorry about not being in this game really, I will try to get into it more. Don't lynch me cuz im town and that would be bad.

I think Robz's case is that he has been playing differently than he usually is, and people say that he's played dumb a couple times.  Someone more on his case should be able to say a bit more.

Yuma made a bit of a case on me for strangely voting for Eevee (when I was trying to give him pressure), and for acti-lurking, and here was my defense for it:

(This post starts off in a random direction, but you'll see what I'm getting at here)

I've noticed a couple things about my mafia playstyle:

1. Depending on certain random conditions (availability, who I am in the game, etc.), my playstyle significantly changes.  This is kind of nice usually, as it will make it harder to read me when I'm scum.  But sometimes it isn't (see below)
2. I tend to make decisions without saying them in thread.  This is probably a result of being an introvert.  This usually isn't nice.

Now, this game, I was V/LA for the first bit.  As such, it was harder to get into it later.  This affected my playstyle, as I didn't want to post much.  To fix this, however, I decided to force myself to post.  Whatever I could.  So I usually would just post a little bit at a time.

And what does that look like?  Acti-lurking.  I don't mean to do it, but it happened anyway.

I know that this is kind of a weird and sudden-ish defense, but I wanted to get this out there.

All in all, not the greatest cases, but okay for D1.

[spiritbears]

Mcm--
No one is buying your Lio case. Will you help us and get on either wagon or not?

[spiritbears]

xeiron has subbed in for modestguineapig.  Starting now.

Thank you X!

[Robz888]

Vote: Ahoppy

Gotta lynch all the lurkers.

[mail-mi]

Hey xeiron!

Advice to the Plastics: don't kill xeiron N1 for the third time in the row.

[nkirbit]

Vote: Ahoppy

Gotta lynch all the lurkers.

Do you really think that's going to happen today?

[xeiron]

I think none of the cases is particularly strong.
Not strong enough to make me vote yet.

[spiritbears]

Vote: Ahoppy

Gotta lynch all the lurkers.

Do you really think that's going to happen today?

Of course he doesn't this is just more of the same.
X--if you're unsure of Robz, go back and read his flip on me (and his later notsobelievable explanation). I believe it was quoted heavily about 5-10 pages back

[Robz888]

I think none of the cases is particularly strong.
Not strong enough to make me vote yet.

I agree.

[liopoil]

ugh, I really am having trouble getting into this game. I agree none of the cases are particularly strong, but that's D1 for you. I think sudgy is a better lurker lynch than Ahoppy. I'll re-read him.

[Robz888]

Why tho?

[nkirbit]

Yuma's already made a case for Sudgy.  It's far from convincing, but it's a lot better than the absolute lack of anything we have on Ahoppy.  If you want to make a case for Ahoppy, go for it, and I'll consider it, but I'm not going to vote Ahoppy over Sudgy without someone making a case.

[liopoil]

PPE: yuma made a case on sudgy? hmmm, I haven't seen it, I'll look at it after I make this post. Obviously this is completely separate from his case. The reason my first instinct that sudgy is a better lurker lynch than ahoppy is that ahoppy has been contributing a lot when he does post, and is unlikely to be chosen by scum. I also thought I remembered thinking there was good reason to actually find sudgy scummy.

sudgy:

-37 posts. Not sure where this is in relation to other players now, but it probably isn't actually much of a lurker. many of these posts are quite short though.

-votes a lot. players he's voted for, in order: mail-mi, robz, eevee, mail-mi, mail-mi (again?), mail-mi, (again!!). Not sure what to make of this. He votes mail-mi 3 times in a row without changing his vote or unvoting, which is odd, but probably towny.

-inconsistant on who he would choose for partners. first "I have no idea who would be picked as scum partners, other than the obvious robz.", then, "I probably would have picked someone in the in between group and a vet as my partners.", and finally: "If you're looking for specific people I would choose, I would probably choose mail-mi as the middle person and yuma for scum."

- a lot of talking about how he's been quiet:
"Sorry I haven't been doing much, I'm kind of busy this week.  It should be better by next week."
"I've been busy, and I've already said that.  I'll be back next week.  I've just been barely keeping up."
"Actually, it is pretty funny how nobody has noticed me.  Maybe I should start lurking"
"Man, when you aren't home for a bit it's always hard to get into the mafia games again..."

This is scummy because he seems a bit overly self-conscience of his lurking.

Other than this, I got nothing. slight scum read. At this point:

want to lynch: nobody
willing to lynch: robz888, mcmcsalot, sudgy
maybe lynch: Yuma, ashersky, eevee, xeiron, Ahoppy
opposed to lynching: mail-mi, nkirbit, spiritbears

I know today's the soft deadline, and I will very likely put a vote down today, but I am not confident that robz is currently the best lynch anymore. Unvote

[ashersky]

Guys, soft deadline coming up.  Let's work on this.

[Eevee]

I think none of the cases is particularly strong.
Not strong enough to make me vote yet.

I agree.

Well, do need to vote for someone though, the despair of the deadline is near.

[liopoil]

Deadline is friday night right? I know that time is dead on the forums, but I'll be here I think.

Agree that we should lynch someone soon of course. Open to hearing new cases on anyone really.

[nkirbit]

Lio:  I do agree with you that it appears that Sudgy has been more conscious of the fact that he hasn't been posting or contributing as much, and is actively apologizing for it, while AHoppy just seems busy.  Ahoppy addressed that he was busy just once, I believe, after it had been pointed out that he hasn't posted that much.  I would certainly be opposed to lynching Ahoppy.

This is my first time playing any sort of game like this online, and it's been a bit frustrating for me at times because of the entire availability issue.  Obviously, it's no one's fault, and it's just how the game is set up, but it's quite the change for me from playing games like this (mostly The Resistance) in person.  In a game in person, no one doesn't participate because they're "busy", because everyone's sitting in the same location.

I commented on the timing Yuma's posts about Robz, and I just can't possibly know if the timing by Yuma was deliberate, or that's just when he happened to be online.  It's an issue that doesn't come up in in-person games, and probably the most frustrating part of this experience so far for me (It's been a fun experience overall, though!)

[ashersky]

mail-mi (3): Eevee, sudgy, ashersky
Robz (3): mail-mi, spiritbears, nkirbit
liopoil (1): mcmcsalot
sudgy (1): yuma
aHoppy (1): Robz888

Not voting: AHoppy, xeiron, liopoil

With 12 players alive, it takes 7 to lynch

Updated.  So with yuma and liopoil changing/unvoting, they've successfully derailed our most likely lynch options right before the soft deadline.  Good job scum!

[Robz888]

I feel like nothing has happened this game and I don't know why.

[liopoil]

I've said before, I'm happy to go back to robz if it'll go through and the only other option is mail-mi. I think it's time to look elsewhere.

[ashersky]

I feel like nothing has happened this game and I don't know why.

Argh.  vote: Robz

Nothing is happening because you aren't making it happen, man.  Town makes things happen, scum avoids the happenings.