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[Eevee]

I think it's significantly harder for scum to produce believable fakeclaims in rmm, so that's good.

[EFHW]

Banked day wise, there's no difference between lynching now and between lynching anywhere before 8:30 tomorrow, right?

right.

I'm interesting in looking into EFHW and eevee. Maybe xeiron, but I'm not sold on that. People are a bit overeager on him.

which people are overeager?

[EFHW]

Okay.  So we can just have sudgy whisper someone trustworthy tonight. I would pick eevee.

I'm fine with Eevee being the whisperee, but he's not an IC, people!

[Eevee]

It doesn't matter much who he whispers anyways. At best scum could make it a 1-1 trade.

[ashersky]

9. This game will have "bankable deadlines."  See http://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Bankable_deadline.  The rules for calculating deadlines are as follows:
- Day 1 is 14 days long.
- Twice the number of unused days, rounded down, at the end of Day 1 are banked.
- Day 2 and each subsequent day will last for:
-- three "free" days plus all banked days up to a total of 14 days;
-- if more than 11 days are in the bank, the remainder will be saved for future days;
-- all unused "banked days" left over at the end of each Day are returned to the bank.

To clarify, since there has been some discussion on the subject of how I will calculate banked time.

I will take the remaining time, rounded to the nearest hour, and double it.  For example:

A hammer vote is cast 2 days, 4 hours, 22 minutes before the end of the day.  52 hours, doubled, is 104 hours.  104 hours is  is 4 days and 8 hours.  4 days and 8 hours of banked time is available.

[nkirbit]

It doesn't matter much who he whispers anyways. At best scum could make it a 1-1 trade.

Yes, it does. Suppose we mislynch today, have a nk tonight, have whoever he whispers be scum and have sudgy and his lover lynched tomorrow, and then a nk that night. Game over, right?

We need to figure out who we as a collective group trust the most

[Twistedarcher]

Okay.  So we can just have sudgy whisper someone trustworthy tonight. I would pick eevee.

I'm fine with Eevee being the whisperee, but he's not an IC, people!

I think it should be unannounced and Sudgy's decision alone. And he shouldn't tell us.

[nkirbit]

Okay.  So we can just have sudgy whisper someone trustworthy tonight. I would pick eevee.

I'm fine with Eevee being the whisperee, but he's not an IC, people!

I'm the only one to suggest eevee, right?

[Twistedarcher]

Ok, so the sooner we lynch, the better.

Lio, what are your reservations with the Xeiron lynch?

[nkirbit]

Okay.  So we can just have sudgy whisper someone trustworthy tonight. I would pick eevee.

I'm fine with Eevee being the whisperee, but he's not an IC, people!

I think it should be unannounced and Sudgy's decision alone. And he shouldn't tell us.

What?  If he's scum, he would just whisper another scum, right?  And we learn nothing

[Eevee]

Sudgy deciding himself and not telling us until tomorrow is the best way I think.

[nkirbit]

Sudgy deciding himself and not telling us until tomorrow is the best way I think.

Well, if we let sudgy decide, should we have him claim who got the whisper before they say they did?  Or just wait for the person to come forward?

[Eevee]

hmm yeah, scum whisperer would be very weird. I don't even know. if we announce the target, that person will be nightkilled. if we don't, there is no way to verify sudgys claim.

[EFHW]

Did he know about the Eevee plan?  If he knew and didn't object, then we can pick someone else.  If he was scum and lying and not Eevee's partner, he'd object.

[EFHW]

raerae is totally lurking, btw.

[nkirbit]

No, he said goodnight in the same post he claimed.

[raerae]

raerae, what is your read on me, now that I'm back posting?

I lean townie but you're a damn fine scum player so I'm not putting all my eggs in that basket.

[Twistedarcher]

Okay.  So we can just have sudgy whisper someone trustworthy tonight. I would pick eevee.

I'm fine with Eevee being the whisperee, but he's not an IC, people!

I think it should be unannounced and Sudgy's decision alone. And he shouldn't tell us.

What?  If he's scum, he would just whisper another scum, right?  And we learn nothing

Well, except it ties the two together, if they're both scum.

I think having Sudgy choose N1, then announce D2 before the recipient says anything, it the way to do it. It should not be town-directed, though.

[nkirbit]

Okay.  So we can just have sudgy whisper someone trustworthy tonight. I would pick eevee.

I'm fine with Eevee being the whisperee, but he's not an IC, people!

I think it should be unannounced and Sudgy's decision alone. And he shouldn't tell us.

What?  If he's scum, he would just whisper another scum, right?  And we learn nothing

Well, except it ties the two together, if they're both scum.

I think having Sudgy choose N1, then announce D2 before the recipient says anything, it the way to do it. It should not be town-directed, though.

Okay.  I would support this plan... I hadn't thought about the announced target being NKed when I said we should choose.

[raerae]

You called me out initially on post #283.  It's now post #431.  Everyone knows what your case is.  Why haven't you moved on?

Because I think you're scum! But no one else does so I will table it for today I suppose.

Want to lynch: nkirbit
Would lynch: lio xeiron raerae

Would lynch me? Because I don't find merit in your case? Good idea. I guess I should trust you and your reads without question.

I never said that!

I'm suspicious because you are asking questions most of the time, but when I asked you several questions, you avoided the answers. You wouldn't give a list of reads until the end of d1. More suspicious though you were very quick to dismiss people who agreed with either mine or nkirbits case. I think it's some of the most important information we have, and we should be analyzing it rather than dismissing it.

By "avoided" I know you actually mean didn't answer immediately but did answer maybe one or two hours later. 

I never give reads until the end of the day.  I'm not changing that.  Tough cookies.

I will decide what I find most important and what I want to focus on.  You say you've read games with me in them yet you seem to think you can tell me what to do.  Where in the world do you get that idea?

[Eevee]

Raerae, you are being uncharacterastically unhelpful in this situation of need for town.

[EFHW]

I'm going to go, have an early morning tomorrow.  I'll be back mid-day.

[liopoil]

raerae, this IS the end of the day.

Eevee, now that we have time, I'd like to hear your full thing on EFHW.

Don't direct the message. sudgy, don't say who you sent the message to. At the start of D2, whoever got the message should come forward, and sudgy verifies it.

[Twistedarcher]

You called me out initially on post #283.  It's now post #431.  Everyone knows what your case is.  Why haven't you moved on?

Because I think you're scum! But no one else does so I will table it for today I suppose.

Want to lynch: nkirbit
Would lynch: lio xeiron raerae

Would lynch me? Because I don't find merit in your case? Good idea. I guess I should trust you and your reads without question.

I never said that!

I'm suspicious because you are asking questions most of the time, but when I asked you several questions, you avoided the answers. You wouldn't give a list of reads until the end of d1. More suspicious though you were very quick to dismiss people who agreed with either mine or nkirbits case. I think it's some of the most important information we have, and we should be analyzing it rather than dismissing it.

By "avoided" I know you actually mean didn't answer immediately but did answer maybe one or two hours later. 

I never give reads until the end of the day.  I'm not changing that.  Tough cookies.

I will decide what I find most important and what I want to focus on.  You say you've read games with me in them yet you seem to think you can tell me what to do.  Where in the world do you get that idea?

Okay. Can you stop trying to scold me, and start helping town?

[raerae]

Sudgy is going to flip town, I think.

I think Xeiron is town.

EHFW is actually my top suspect for flipping scum, but it's sort of late to start building a late from a scratch.

I could support this, Eevee.  She was semi-active in the beginning and has all but disappeared since then.