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[ashersky]

LDO?

Lol, duh, obvious.

There were 6 people off the kooshie wagon, 3 of them have flipped town, 1 scum and 2 are yet to flip anything. Hmm. I think I might actually be warming up to an Insomniac lynch, or do we think 2 scum bussed Kooshie?

I think two scum bus kooshie more often than two stay off the wagon.

[Eevee]

LDO?

Lol, duh, obvious.

There were 6 people off the kooshie wagon, 3 of them have flipped town, 1 scum and 2 are yet to flip anything. Hmm. I think I might actually be warming up to an Insomniac lynch, or do we think 2 scum bussed Kooshie?

I think two scum bus kooshie more often than two stay off the wagon.

And we both think Jimmm is town, so Insomniac?

[ashersky]

LDO?

Lol, duh, obvious.

There were 6 people off the kooshie wagon, 3 of them have flipped town, 1 scum and 2 are yet to flip anything. Hmm. I think I might actually be warming up to an Insomniac lynch, or do we think 2 scum bussed Kooshie?

I think two scum bus kooshie more often than two stay off the wagon.

And we both think Jimmm is town, so Insomniac?

Out of the two remaining off-wagon people that are alive, yes.

Here's something though: everyone that has died from the Kooshie wagon has been town.  We mislynched two, and scum actively decided to kill 2.  Meanwhile, they reduced the off-wagon pool down to two people from five non-scum through NKs.

If you are taking into account what group you are in as scum, which group do you decide to kill from?

Can someone do possible remaining pairs?

[Eevee]

I'm too confused..

[ashersky]

All possible combos.  Now start striking off unlikely ones.

ashersky - Eevee
ashersky - Insomniac
ashersky - Jimmmmm
ashersky - Jorbles
ashersky - raerae
ashersky - sudgy
Eevee - Insomniac
Eevee - Jimmmmm
Eevee - Jorbles
Eevee - raerae
Eevee - sudgy
Insomniac - Jimmmmm
Insomniac - Jorbles
Insomniac - raerae
Insomniac - sudgy
Jimmmmm - Jorbles
Jimmmmm - raerae
Jimmmmm - sudgy
Jorbles - raerae
Jorbles - sudgy
raerae - sudgy

[Jimmmmm]

Kooshie has been quieter than I would normally expect but she hasn't done anything I find particularly offensive.  I don't know if I'd call this scummy but I do find it odd so I've got my eye on her.

Kooshie, have you actually given reads yet?

Whoops, just saw ash's quote of kooshie's reads.  Ignore my previous post and I'll go read that more carefully.

I have to agree with Ash and Lio, that list is shady.  The other thing that's super off to me is the mail-mi read.  Mail-mi is fitting his meta and I see no reason to point fingers at it yet.  I am concerned that lio may be bussing but I'm less convinced of his scumitude now. 

I'll Unvote for now.

Does anybody object to me putting Kooshie at L-1?

Vote: Kooshie

This was everything that raerae said about Kooshie on Day 1. Note that Kooshie was on L-2 before the second quote. "I've got my eye on her" is definitely something I can see scum saying early on about a teammate. I'm not sure on whether this makes raerae scummy, but I don't think she gets a lot of credit for being on the Kooshie wagon.

[ashersky]

Kooshie has been quieter than I would normally expect but she hasn't done anything I find particularly offensive.  I don't know if I'd call this scummy but I do find it odd so I've got my eye on her.

Kooshie, have you actually given reads yet?

Whoops, just saw ash's quote of kooshie's reads.  Ignore my previous post and I'll go read that more carefully.

I have to agree with Ash and Lio, that list is shady.  The other thing that's super off to me is the mail-mi read.  Mail-mi is fitting his meta and I see no reason to point fingers at it yet.  I am concerned that lio may be bussing but I'm less convinced of his scumitude now. 

I'll Unvote for now.

Does anybody object to me putting Kooshie at L-1?

Vote: Kooshie

This was everything that raerae said about Kooshie on Day 1. Note that Kooshie was on L-2 before the second quote. "I've got my eye on her" is definitely something I can see scum saying early on about a teammate. I'm not sure on whether this makes raerae scummy, but I don't think she gets a lot of credit for being on the Kooshie wagon.

Compare that interaction with how you would expect town!raerae to build a case.  I don't think it matches up.  Now, it was D1 and she replaced in, so there's some leeway there.  But this looks like a series of posts that denote bussing.

[Eevee]

On the other hand she did miss Kooshie giving reads. I dont think people usually miss their scumbuddies posts, but could happen or could be fake, obviously.

The scum pair list is sad, how can we eliminate anything but the ones where we are ourself?

[Jimmmmm]

Here's something though: everyone that has died from the Kooshie wagon has been town.  We mislynched two, and scum actively decided to kill 2.  Meanwhile, they reduced the off-wagon pool down to two people from five non-scum through NKs.

If you are taking into account what group you are in as scum, which group do you decide to kill from?

Well, Ozle doesn't count. They've killed 2 on and 2 off, but the 2 off have been more significant since regardless there were less Townies off than on. So I guess your point is if I and/or Insom were scum we probably wouldn't've been PoEing down to us like that.

[Jimmmmm]

All possible combos.  Now start striking off unlikely ones.

ashersky - Eevee
ashersky - Insomniac
ashersky - Jimmmmm
ashersky - Jorbles
ashersky - raerae
ashersky - sudgy
Eevee - Insomniac
Eevee - Jimmmmm
Eevee - Jorbles
Eevee - raerae
Eevee - sudgy
Insomniac - Jimmmmm
Insomniac - Jorbles
Insomniac - raerae
Insomniac - sudgy
Jimmmmm - Jorbles
Jimmmmm - raerae
Jimmmmm - sudgy
Jorbles - raerae
Jorbles - sudgy
raerae - sudgy

Are we really still looking at sudgy? He was talking about the key Day 1. I just don't see a way for him to be confident that was going to work.

[Eevee]

Here's something though: everyone that has died from the Kooshie wagon has been town.  We mislynched two, and scum actively decided to kill 2.  Meanwhile, they reduced the off-wagon pool down to two people from five non-scum through NKs.

If you are taking into account what group you are in as scum, which group do you decide to kill from?

Well, Ozle doesn't count. They've killed 2 on and 2 off, but the 2 off have been more significant since regardless there were less Townies off than on. So I guess your point is if I and/or Insom were scum we probably wouldn't've been PoEing down to us like that.

Had you realized that anyways. It's just one wagon.

[Jimmmmm]

Sorry, is that a question? I'd realised Insom and I were the last two off the Kooshie wagon, but I hadn't really thought about that in relation to nightkills and scum being more likely to eliminate from the group of players they're not in.

[Eevee]

Sorry, is that a question? I'd realised Insom and I were the last two off the Kooshie wagon, but I hadn't really thought about that in relation to nightkills and scum being more likely to eliminate from the group of players they're not in.

I mean while an ok point, I dont think that completely clears the two of you (namely Insomniac in this case).

But okay, we still see eye-to-eye. So who to lynch? Really freaking important to hit scum..

[Jimmmmm]

ashersky - Eevee
ashersky - Insomniac
ashersky - Jorbles
ashersky - raerae
Eevee - Insomniac
Eevee - Jorbles
Eevee - raerae
Insomniac - Jorbles
Insomniac - raerae
Jorbles - raerae

Well here's the list from my point of view. Until we have a sensible explanation for how scum sudgy could have known about the key from Day 1, I'm treating him as an IC.

[ashersky]

Sorry, is that a question? I'd realised Insom and I were the last two off the Kooshie wagon, but I hadn't really thought about that in relation to nightkills and scum being more likely to eliminate from the group of players they're not in.

That's why I brought it up.  If Insom was scum paying good attention to the game (I think whatever his alignment, he isn't paying attention), I don't see him (or Jimmmmm) POEing themselves into this situation, even not knowing they were going to lose Ozle as a possible mislynch.

So I think on-wagon is a better option, ironically, since we still haven't caught the busser, of which there must be at least one.

Are we really still looking at sudgy? He was talking about the key Day 1. I just don't see a way for him to be confident that was going to work.

Don't think so, but I was just being complete in my list.  I included myself, even though I know (even if others don't) that they aren't valid.

[Jimmmmm]

I mean while an ok point, I dont think that completely clears the two of you (namely Insomniac in this case).

No of course not. The two off-wagoners they've killed are yuma and mcmc. It's quite possible they killed yuma just for being yuma. And they may have had some good reason for killing mcmc.

[ashersky]

Eevee - Insomniac
Eevee - Jimmmmm
Eevee - Jorbles
Eevee - raerae
Insomniac - Jimmmmm
Insomniac - Jorbles
Insomniac - raerae
Jimmmmm - Jorbles
Jimmmmm - raerae
Jorbles - raerae

All the possibles from my perspective are above.  All the possibles in order of possibility from my perspective are below (spaces denote a jump in suspicion):

Jorbles - raerae

Insomniac - raerae
Insomniac - Jorbles

Eevee - raerae
Eevee - Jorbles
Eevee - Insomniac

Insomniac - Jimmmmm
Jimmmmm - Jorbles
Jimmmmm - raerae

Eevee - Jimmmmm

[Eevee]

ashersky - Eevee
ashersky - Insomniac
ashersky - Jorbles
ashersky - raerae
Eevee - Insomniac
Eevee - Jorbles
Eevee - raerae
Insomniac - Jorbles
Insomniac - raerae
Jorbles - raerae

Well here's the list from my point of view. Until we have a sensible explanation for how scum sudgy could have known about the key from Day 1, I'm treating him as an IC.

I'm fine with accepting the premise of you being town for today, so from my perspective:

ashersky - Insomniac
ashersky - Jorbles
ashersky - raerae
Insomniac - Jorbles
Insomniac - raerae
Jorbles - raerae

Not sure if this really gets us anywhere..

[Jimmmmm]

I have to head off. Soft deadline's in a couple of hours, I know. I should be able to check in before then. It'd be great if you could do some work on raerae and Jorbles to try to figure out who's the better lynch.

[Jimmmmm]

I'm fine with accepting the premise of you being town for today, so from my perspective:

ashersky - Insomniac
ashersky - Jorbles
ashersky - raerae
Insomniac - Jorbles
Insomniac - raerae
Jorbles - raerae

Not sure if this really gets us anywhere..

Well if the three of us are in some sort of agreement, then for the moment we're looking at:

Insomniac - Jorbles
Insomniac - raerae
Jorbles - raerae

[Eevee]

I've got to get up in 6 hours, I should start going to sleep soon too. Jimmm, just really quick, out of Jorbles, raerae and Insomniac, what are your preferences?

[Eevee]

I'm fine with accepting the premise of you being town for today, so from my perspective:

ashersky - Insomniac
ashersky - Jorbles
ashersky - raerae
Insomniac - Jorbles
Insomniac - raerae
Jorbles - raerae

Not sure if this really gets us anywhere..

Well if the three of us are in some sort of agreement, then for the moment we're looking at:

Insomniac - Jorbles
Insomniac - raerae
Jorbles - raerae

Which still hasnt gotten us any closer as those are just the three we are trying to make a decision of.

[ashersky]

I've got to get up in 6 hours, I should start going to sleep soon too. Jimmm, just really quick, out of Jorbles, raerae and Insomniac, what are your preferences?

raerae is my preference.

[Eevee]

Hmm, I recall you suggesting Jorbles earlier, which makes this feel less like scum leading me. I'm still sort of baffled as to why Insomniac isn't getting more suspicions, but okay. I guess we should absolutely hear from sudgy and the suspects too before deciding anything. Pretty hard soft deadline tomorrow night? Even a bit earlier is fine for me, it's very late in Finland. Or what do you think? Should we just go ahead now? I'm really worried the possible scum in us winds up making the actual decision..

[ashersky]

Hmm, I recall you suggesting Jorbles earlier, which makes this feel less like scum leading me. I'm still sort of baffled as to why Insomniac isn't getting more suspicions, but okay. I guess we should absolutely hear from sudgy and the suspects too before deciding anything. Pretty hard soft deadline tomorrow night? Even a bit earlier is fine for me, it's very late in Finland. Or what do you think? Should we just go ahead now? I'm really worried the possible scum in us winds up making the actual decision..

I think its important for everyone to continue to weigh in.  No matter if we lynch correctly or not, D6 will be key, and we'll want interactions from today to analyze.

Insomniac is suspicious, don't get me wrong.  But here's why lurking is so great for scum -- scummy play/posts from others end up being better cases to act on.

Even with the three of us voting, we're not getting a lynch through without someone.  I don't know that there's harm in getting two votes or even L-1 on someone, given a quickhammer by scum is a terrible idea.