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[ashersky]

And for fairness's sake, here is Ozle's case on me:

I honestly dont think Jimm is the best lynch anymore. I'd still be willing to lynch him, especially if he goes back to non-content posting, but he isnt doing that now, and we have a much better candidate.


Vote: Ashersky

Summary:
Self Voting
Refuses to vote Jimm for seemingly no reason
Terrible case on me (Which is seemingly wholely down to the fact I gave out other reads while the Kooshie wagon was going on.
Terrible case on Yuma (which essentially amounts to, Ozle is scummy, you dont agree with me, therefore you must be scummy)
Spamming 'tell' posts to increase post count day 1. Which stopped when someone noticed.
Terrible Sheeping.
If we're going to lynch wrong he apparently is the best one to do. (His own words)
Vote for Sudgy out of the blue. Which seems desperation to save Jimmm (when he has nothing but a gut read on Jimm)


Detail:

vote: liopoil

Mcmc is contributing plenty but Kooshie gets your lurker tag?  They have the exact same number of posts in your quote.  Sounds like trying to form a bad case on D1.  Scum tell (really).

Defense of Kooshie.

vote: kooshie

That's 7 and L-2.  Good time for increased activity, I say.

Switches to Kooshie with NO REASON AT AT ALL (reasons came later on). This is getting on the wagon if I have ever seen it. And in one of the scummiest spots no less

Terrible scum play, that.

I think we're looking for more newbie scum.

Says we're looking for Newbie scum, then tries to build a case on Yuma and me.

vote: mcmc

2 reasons--this post is scummy (is this about sudgy or me?) and yuma's case. 

I will unvote if raerae says you are town.

Sheeps Yuma (who he has previously been saying is scummy
And then offers to unsheep Raerae

Probably means we should be looking at the lurkers.

His own words, which he then completely ignores.

Are you good with a soft Jimmmmm lynch deadline?  Say tomorrow at 8:00 p.m. forum time?

Suggests soft Jimmm deadline, doesn't stick to it.

Actually, I'm happy to leave mail-mi alive to be NKed at this point.

This one might be important later.

Jimmmmm has until midnight tomorrow to contribute his promised reads, a deadline he himself proposed.  I say we just leave it at that.

Separately, unvote based on raerae's read, as I said I would.  Not that mcmc is free of suspicion now, but he's not D2's lynch.

I think mail-mi is just playing badly as town right now, and not intentionally as scum.

Jorbles seems scummy from recent comments, and could see a Jorbles lynch being a good one.  I don't like the "let's see if he lives through the night" comment at all, and his vote jumping with regards to Jimmmmm seems opportunistic ("oh, he was at L-2?  Gotta keep that chance going!").

vote: jorbles

The proposed sheep of raerae
Confirmation of Jimmmm deadline that Ashersky doesnt stick too
Vote  for Jorbles


"Then there his interaction with Yuma calling him out as scummy because he was ignoring my scummy play (No real reference to my scummyplay)" There's a lot of quotes there, but they are just back and forth. I dont consider it scummy.

We are at even parity...we could no lynch.

Suggest No lynch.
We cannot get a concensus on Jimmmm, how on earth are we going to get a no lynch.

If jimmmmm flips town, Yuma knows we are coming after him hard for pushing a mislynch against all opposition. 

Basically, jimmmmm flips town (as I think he will) and I open D3 with a Yuma vote that will not go away.

Back to Yuma again.
Not considering other options ever is a bad move.

yuma, if I hammer Jimmmmm, will it change your mind about me?

Offer to hammer Jimmm. (Later claims not a serious offer, just trying to trick Yuma)

"Then comes the big switch from Yuma to me, been over that one already"

I could switch to sudgy, if that got going.  Insom's case on him is better than a Jimmmmm lynch.

Completely out of the blue offer to vote for Sudgy based solely on Insoms case.
Someone who has not appeared on ANY of his 'i think is scummy lists' so far!

Also, Ozle, for what it's worth, I find the lack of suspicion of Eevee by the town very odd.  I mentioned that in my re-read.  That would seem to be something you would appreciate, given you also suspect Eevee.

Interesting that the previous buddying with Eevee now becomes suspicion.
(and I do appreciate it!)
One of his big critisizms of me was I was saying Eevee was scummy while the Kooshie wagon was going on.
So when I voice suspicions, its scummy. When the rest of you dont, its suspicious!


And then we have all the recent stuff which people should be able to read for themselves.

[raerae]

Just got back to the hotel and feel like trash so no reading tonight.  I know I'll have time tomorrow and I'm really sorry guys.  I knew this month would be busy but I didn't anticipate this much busy.  My final vote for today will be cast tomorrow evening by 11pm forum time.  I, again, encourage everybody to long hard look at mail-mi as he still hasn't done anything.  Lio, I understand he's claimed to have something valuable to town but what makes you believe him?  Feel free to quote if you've already answered this.

[mail-mi]

I just got home from Moab and will be retreading soon.

[ashersky]

I just got home from Moab and will be retreading soon.

mail-mi did have a real and announced VLA, so I think he deserves a pass for the past few days.  His contributions from here on out should be scruitinized.

[sudgy]

I just got home from Moab and will be retreading soon.

Mail-mi is retreating!  Attack!  (Sorry, I can't help myself...)

[mail-mi]

I just got home from Moab and will be retreading soon.

Mail-mi is retreating!  Attack!  (Sorry, I can't help myself...)

No retreat means "stop attacking!" Please, no! *cowers in fear*

[Eevee]

Vote: ozle if I wasn't on him already.

I haven't seen ozle defend himself like this, but this feels like a classic scum brig frustrated for getting caught for wrong reasons defense. He isn't explaining why he is town, he is escaping why the reasons to vote for him are in his opinion inadequate.

[ashersky]

Vote: ozle if I wasn't on him already.

I haven't seen ozle defend himself like this, but this feels like a classic scum brig frustrated for getting caught for wrong reasons defense. He isn't explaining why he is town, he is escaping why the reasons to vote for him are in his opinion inadequate.

I had the same thought.  I call it the Mcmc Syndrome.  He was scum and caught in DS9, but for what he felt were all the wrong reasons.

[mcmcsalot]

Vote: ozle if I wasn't on him already.

I haven't seen ozle defend himself like this, but this feels like a classic scum brig frustrated for getting caught for wrong reasons defense. He isn't explaining why he is town, he is escaping why the reasons to vote for him are in his opinion inadequate.

I had the same thought.  I call it the Mcmc Syndrome.  He was scum and caught in DS9, but for what he felt were all the wrong reasons.

Haha, all of the frustrations that game. At least I was caught for the wrong reasons by another scum, so I can say congratulations to yuma(after yelling obscenities through my computer screen)

But I do agree its a scummy frustration.

[Jimmmmm]

On the other hand, Cuzz was accused of the same thing that game.

[liopoil]

I do not think that frustration is scummy. Mafia is a frustrating game.

as Jimmmmm said, we mislynched cuzz partially because he was frustrated. scum!mcmc in DS9 was frustrated, but in the newbie game as scum he didn't get frustrated at all. Town or scum can be frustrated.

[yuma]

Jimm (1) -- mail-mi
sudgy (4) -- Insomniac, Jimm, Jorbles, lio
mail-mi (1) -- raerae
Ozle (5) -- Eevee, yuma, ashersky, sudgy, mcmc (L-3)
ashersky (1) -- Ozle

Not Voting (2) -- Archetype, Lekkit

unofficial vote count. People on only wagons with only one person need to move... mail-mi, raerae, ozle.

And if we lose this game. A huge chunk of the blame is going to fall on archetype and lekkit (if they are town, if they are scum they are going to get lynched eventually because they are lurking sooo bad!!!). If we want to win, we need all of town to contribute.

I have the suspicion that we are going to get ozle to the l-1, l-2 stage and stall once again because everyone else will be adamantly agains the lynch or won't be participating so their vote will be moot.

[Robz888]

Vote Count 2.11

Jimm (1) -- mail-mi
sudgy (4) -- Insomniac, Jimm, Jorbles, liopoil
mail-mi (1) -- raerae
Ozle (5) -- Eevee, yuma, ashersky, sudgy, mcmcsalot {L-3}
ashersky (1) -- Ozle

Not Voting (2) -- Archetype, Lekkit

With 14 alive, it takes 8 to lynch. The game ends on April 29th at 7:00 PM. There are 25 days left.

[Jimmmmm]

I think the last person voting for Ozle should be mcmc, not the man himself.

[Robz888]

I think the last person voting for Ozle should be mcmc, not the man himself.

Yep. Fixed.

[Eevee]

It is awfully hard to lynch anyone, let alone scum when two people don't vote or post anything.

I argued heavily against Cuzz's lynch (I was town with no extra information) in DS9. To me that was obvious town frustration and I was co-frustrated at everyone for not seeing it. I guess the lynch was mostly scum-driven in the end.

This is different. I'm not saying Ozle couldn't be town, but there is nothing towny about his reasons for being frustrated. I'm happy with this lynch and just hoping it'll go through.

[Jimmmmm]

Hmm yes, Arch has offered two posts, both about doing a re-read.

[Robz888]

I prodded Archetype.

[yuma]

screw this:

vote: archetype LALL. If you think ozle has a good defense there is no way you think arch has one. PS I am totally willing to vote ozle if we get enough, but at least with voting arch, we can hopefully include ozle on the wagon and have one more person to push a lynch through.

[Jimmmmm]

Vote: Archetype. Let's hear about that re-read.

[yuma]

and I am completely willing to lynch him w/o hearing from him first if anyone has that concern. two lurkers in a row in sparky and arch... maybe it is because they both think the game is lost now that they are already down one man.

[Jimmmmm]

and I am completely willing to lynch him w/o hearing from him first if anyone has that concern. two lurkers in a row in sparky and arch... maybe it is because they both think the game is lost now that they are already down one man.

I'm not sure I buy that argument though. With 3 scum still to hunt down, and no opposing scum to take each other out, Town still has a long way to go to win this game. All it takes is 1.

[mail-mi]

Yeah Vote: Archetype what about that reread?

[Jimmmmm]

Hmm just realised Arch replaced sparky. Still, he's had 5 days.

[Eevee]

I forgot that. Vote: archetype is fine for me then, I've been suspicious of sparky for a long time. I think I'd prefer Ozle though, not sure why we are giving up in that already.