Okay, Eevee Day 2:
zvote:raerae
if Mail-mi is town, it's really bad dest didnt get to claim (would have cleared him or Mail).
voting raerae because see no reason to deviate from it. Mail-mi's claim looks plausible.
Continues voting for raerae since he has "no reason to deviate from it", but again, he gave very little reason for voting for her in the first place.
Eh. Jorbles, is your theory of there being exactly one ent based on something in your pm? I know this sounds like rolefishing but I have a reason for asking this. Don't answer if it's too bad.
I have a feeling I've asked this before, and I don't remember if I got an answer. Eevee, what was your reason for asking this?
Jorbles, is your "only one ent" thing more than a hunch? I'm a little slow, but I might be starting to get the puzzle.
Same again.
As for the people voting for me, meh. I'm not the most valuable member of the town (although I did probably prevent Arche's death last night), but I am town. I was told there is an elven beloved princess, and also explicitly that she probably doesnt even know that I exist, so I'm not surprised Archetype didnt hear of me. Realizing I was probably the reason for no mafia kill is why I flip-flopped so much about mail-mi. But meh, I was probably the one who stopped the mafia kill, that doesn't mean he couldnt be what he claimed, I think our best option is going after someone who hasnt claimed yet.
Seems to want to appear like he doesn't care if he gets lynched. Repeats that he was "probably" the reason for no Mafia kill.
I'm a guard for Archetype, meaning I get to name one person, if that person is the elven beloved princess, that person is safe from all night kills. Obviously I named Archetype last night, I think it's probable that's the reason there was no mafia kill.
Again repeats the no-kill thing. He really wants us to get the point that he saved someone.
.. oh and just a heads up, if you are foolish enough to decide on lynching one of us (=me) to verify our claims, I will fight you tooth and nail. It would not be a good lynch.
I've said this before, but this seems to contradict his previous "meh" attitude towards him possibly being lynched.
I supported a vote on you for the same reasons I did yesterday, nothing really changed inbetween.
Again, the same nothingness about his vote on raerae.
It's awfully convenient, in that lynching cops is baad. Really interested in her explanation for inestigating Jorbles.
I think I don't believe her, but lynching a cop would be terrible.
Not sure what to make of this. Despite having had his vote on raerae since the previous day, he seems entirely unclear on whether he thinks raerae should be lynched. The "lynching a cop would be terrible" sounds like it could be one of those things that scum say to make them sound Townier, and at the same time he's doing nothing to dissuade people from lynching a claimed Cop.
A little but out of chronological order now, since the next three posts are related (the first is pretty much just for context).
It's possibly just my biases, but I believe raerae and not Eevee.
What bias would that be?
Why do you not believe me?
Becuause you are such a sneaky good player!
I don't know guys. It's just a feeing.
I really don't think the evidence supports your opinion.
Nothing wrong with this, but a couple of posts later:
As I said, I investigated jorbles as he's been a bit of a leader. I wanted to hold off claiming so I didn't investigate some of the scummier people because it's easier to make cases on scum than on null and I think null is scarier than scum.
Sudgy, actually say why you don't believe me. Actually make a case on me. Actually do anything other than just state your feelings. This isn't therapy, put some weight behind your words.
I think playing by feel and making gut reads is a fine way of playing this game.
And I don't understand, a cop should try to catch scum, period. If you have to claim early because you found scum, it's just freaking amazing. Jorbles wasnt that much of a leader.
So one minute Eevee's telling Robz to look at the evidence and not his feelings, and less than 45 minutes later he thinks that "playing by feel and making gut reads is a fine way of playing this game". Also note that he said this to defend sudgy's opinion on raerae. It seems like Eevee's opinion on how the game should be played depends on what's convenient for him at the time.
I have reason to disbelieve raerae, is that enough or should I go into detail?
Vote: raerae
it's enough for me.
And no, kooshie, my claim was not convenient. I started breadcrumbing it the minute archetype claimed, I never said I'm particularly useful / vital. Also a missing night kill supports my claim, it makes sense that scum would have targeted archetype.
He's ready to lynch based on one line from someone we had no reason to trust. Great way of adding to the people to blame if the raerae lynch hits Town. Also, again reminding everyone that he might have stopped a kill.
So what happens when I flip exactly what I claimed? What do you people do then?
suspect axxle more, I guess. mmh.
Lining up another non-teammate as someone to blame for tomorrow's lynch.
I dont see the point in everyone claiming.
well, to me the point would be to find a lynch target. the downside is considerably lessened with this many claims already.
Find a lynch target? I thought you had decided, sir?
Oh absolutely not. I doubt your claim the most of the claimants, but having a cop die would be very bad. I'm very much a moving voter still.
Claims to be a moving voter. Seems a great way of distancing himself from the raerae lynch.
do you think scumJimm would be that brash though? His opinions are kind of controversial, and he isn't afraid of continuing to push the point even though he isn't getting much support.
Do you disagree that it's unlikely that we have two Orc-Cops?
Also, Arch's lie was weird. You can't argue with that. Obviously the two of you have to defend him since if either of you are Town you know that Arch is Town. And yeah, the fact that if Arch is scum then all three of you have to be scum makes it less likely. But it was weird.
I do think it's weird, although Axxle is/would be "just" a one-shot. I think one of them is likely to be scum, but do we have to decide today? If we do it tomorrow, we'll have more information we know to come from town (whether we lynch the right person or not).
I think one of them is scum, but let's keep them both alive for now. That's not an argument I've heard from a Townie before, Townies want to lynch scum as soon as possible.
I'm not really concerned how I look to others at this point, really. Too excited trying to figure out who is lying and who is not!
We clearly don't see eye to eye though, as you are inclined to vote for Axxle. I don't want Axxle lynched today.
The "I'm not really concerned how I look to others at this point, really" seems ingenuine to me. If you look at the context, the only thing I can find said against Eevee was Robz saying "So stop pushing me, you just make me think you two are scum and you're jumpy" and "Now that I've said it, it's harder to shake. Eevee and Archetype for scum?". It sounds like Eevee has seen a little suspicion on him and overreacted by using the well-known fact that scum cares more what people think about them than Town do. It kind of seems like it came out too easily, like it was a pre-prepared response.
I don't agree really, but I do think it's a good possibility Axxle is scum. It's just, if he is town, he probably has pretty good powers. If we decide between raerae and Axxle later (say tomorrow) ((is it ok to assume one of them likely is scum?)), we get TWO sets of night action results from confirmed townies after the lynch. Town is in pretty great shape at this point, as we've lost one player from both factions (and the sk is still out there, ofc).
Oh right, just in case people are forgetting. What explains last night's missing mafia kill better than me protecting Archetype? Robz, if you seriously think us both being scum is the most likely explanation for this (with Axxle too?), wow.. ![Smiley :)](http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/Smileys/default/smiley.gif)
Again arguing that one of Axxle and raerae is scum but we should put off lynching either, and again reminding everyone that he thinks he saved Arch.
Vote: Axxle
Eevee, that was paraphrased, right? ![Shocked :o](http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/Smileys/default/shocked.gif)
Yyeah (if I know what that word means). I don't know if flavor could come into play in this game (say someone else was present when I creeped you from the shadows too!), so I thought I'd tell some of the stuff I was told about you. Maybe I should have checked from the mods first, really sorry if that was too much.
His apology here doesn't really seem genuine. He's played enough of this game to know what's acceptable and what's not. It looks like he's trying to play the innocent.