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[Cuzz]

Robz what is the downside for town of a massclaim at this point? 3 PRs have claimed so if Frisk or Grujah are not lying there's a lot of NK targets and protection WIFOM. If I'm the only one not lying, then I'm dead tonight no matter what. Even if someone claims cop scum have to kill the protective role first.

If someone claims cop I'm lynching them first. (This setup cannot have a cop)

Damnit Insomniac, you spoiled my trap!

(kidding. I guess I meant rolecop/other investigative role/I'm an idiot for not reading setup)

[Robz888]

Robz what is the downside for town of a massclaim at this point? 3 PRs have claimed so if Frisk or Grujah are not lying there's a lot of NK targets and protection WIFOM. If I'm the only one not lying, then I'm dead tonight no matter what. Even if someone claims cop scum have to kill the protective role first.

If someone claims cop I'm lynching them first. (This setup cannot have a cop)

Shhh! Don't tell them.

[Captain_Frisk]

Robz what is the downside for town of a massclaim at this point? 3 PRs have claimed so if Frisk or Grujah are not lying there's a lot of NK targets and protection WIFOM. If I'm the only one not lying, then I'm dead tonight no matter what. Even if someone claims cop scum have to kill the protective role first.

DING DING DING!  (Except for the cop thing)

[Robz888]

Robz what is the downside for town of a massclaim at this point? 3 PRs have claimed so if Frisk or Grujah are not lying there's a lot of NK targets and protection WIFOM. If I'm the only one not lying, then I'm dead tonight no matter what. Even if someone claims cop scum have to kill the protective role first.

DING DING DING!  (Except for the cop thing)

But I lean toward thinking they ARE lying...

[Captain_Frisk]

Robz what is the downside for town of a massclaim at this point? 3 PRs have claimed so if Frisk or Grujah are not lying there's a lot of NK targets and protection WIFOM. If I'm the only one not lying, then I'm dead tonight no matter what. Even if someone claims cop scum have to kill the protective role first.

DING DING DING!  (Except for the cop thing)

But I lean toward thinking they ARE lying...

I've already told you that you're wrong.

[Robz888]

Robz what is the downside for town of a massclaim at this point? 3 PRs have claimed so if Frisk or Grujah are not lying there's a lot of NK targets and protection WIFOM. If I'm the only one not lying, then I'm dead tonight no matter what. Even if someone claims cop scum have to kill the protective role first.

DING DING DING!  (Except for the cop thing)

But I lean toward thinking they ARE lying...

I've already told you that you're wrong.

I know, and I respect that position! But you would tell me that even if you were lying, you know?

[Captain_Frisk]

Perhaps you should consider discarding the tunnel for gold instead, and try scum hunting in the other pool. 

For all the abuse of Grujah and I for lurking, why have you given sparky a pass?

[Cuzz]

Robz what is the downside for town of a massclaim at this point? 3 PRs have claimed so if Frisk or Grujah are not lying there's a lot of NK targets and protection WIFOM. If I'm the only one not lying, then I'm dead tonight no matter what. Even if someone claims cop scum have to kill the protective role first.

DING DING DING!  (Except for the cop thing)

But I lean toward thinking they ARE lying...

I've already told you that you're wrong.

I know, and I respect that position! But you would tell me that even if you were lying, you know?

People can lie about the fact that they're not lying? What kind of crazy ass game is this anyway?

[Robz888]

Perhaps you should consider discarding the tunnel for gold instead, and try scum hunting in the other pool. 

For all the abuse of Grujah and I for lurking, why have you given sparky a pass?

Well, he was lurking less than the two of you when I last did a post count, a bajillion posts ago. Since then, yes, he has lurked like crazy relative to you guys. He's lucky he hasn't earned more scrutiny sure.

What do you want me to say? Anyone could be scum. And as this day has warn on, I have gotten drastically less sure of my reads (relative to Grujah, Frisk, Cuzz, O, and Jo), and we've possibly outed 3 prs (or just 1). So from my perspective things have gotten bad, and now we are willingly revealing our roles, probably at the request of scum.

Great!

[Robz888]

I might as well mention something else that has really, really rubbed me the wrong way: Jotheonah's enthusiasm for this massclaim. He just loved Frisk's plan to out every PR. If Frisk is actually not scum, I could easily see Jo being scum. If Frisk and Grujah are scum, perhaps Jo is their third.

[Captain_Frisk]

It does kill me that Jo is on my side.

[Insomniac]

Robz what is the downside for town of a massclaim at this point? 3 PRs have claimed so if Frisk or Grujah are not lying there's a lot of NK targets and protection WIFOM. If I'm the only one not lying, then I'm dead tonight no matter what. Even if someone claims cop scum have to kill the protective role first.

DING DING DING!  (Except for the cop thing)

But I lean toward thinking they ARE lying...

I've already told you that you're wrong.

I know, and I respect that position! But you would tell me that even if you were lying, you know?

People can lie about the fact that they're not lying? What kind of crazy ass game is this anyway?

To be fair we know jo is lying because he hasn't used PINL all game!

No but seriously, Grujah is lying scum, Frisk I know you're claim makes it possible that Grujah ISN't lying but even with it. We can see the following rolls are true

H - Eevee
K - ashersky
TT - cayvie, pingpongsam


Now if we assume frisk isn't lying and at least one of the doctors is telling the truth then we have
H - Eevee
K - ashersky
TT - cayvie, pingpongsam
PP - Frisk, X (Where X is either Grujah or Cuzz)

now in a 13 player setup that leaves 6 unknown roles. Each role has a 10% chance of generating another protective roll

I don't feel like computing the odds that we have an additional doctor. But the chance that if there is another doctor it was assigned to Grujah or Cuzz is exactly 10%.

[Robz888]

Did Insomniac do that right? I'm not sure.

[Captain_Frisk]

Insomniac, they only role 7 times.  Cayvie and PPs aren't guaranteed to be TT.  You add VTs to make up for the discrepency between 13 - #scum - #prs.

[Robz888]

Did Insomniac do that right? I'm not sure.

I'm really bad at this sort of thing, but we don't know that cayvie and PPS were Ts, do we? They could have just been VTs added to the game after computation, right?

[Robz888]

PPE, I'm right.

[Robz888]

So if we knew total PRs, then we do, uh 7 minus total PRs = number of Ts. And then we could know the scum setup.

Hmm. Maybe we should do that.

[Captain_Frisk]

So if we knew total PRs, then we do, uh 7 minus total PRs = number of Ts. And then we could know the scum setup.

Hmm. Maybe we should do that.

And scum ALREADY know how many town PRs there are (+/- 1), because they can look at their own roles and reverse engineer it.  They only thing they don't know is whether or not they have a SK - and I think that as town - we want them to know.

[Robz888]

Ok, who hasn't claimed yet?

[jotheonah]

I might as well mention something else that has really, really rubbed me the wrong way: Jotheonah's enthusiasm for this massclaim. He just loved Frisk's plan to out every PR. If Frisk is actually not scum, I could easily see Jo being scum. If Frisk and Grujah are scum, perhaps Jo is their third.

The way I see it, at this point, scum is either Robz, Cuzz, X or Frisk, Grujah, X.

My hunch is it's Robz, and X is O. It nicely ties together all my theories. But it could go either way.

Re: the mass claim. Why focus on me? Cuzz is also for it. So is Frisk. O participated. This thing has town consensus behind it. And now you are refusing to go along with it. So be it, but we're not going to assume you're doing that for pro-town reasons.

What rubs me the wrong way is how dead sure you've been that Grujah is lying and Cuzz is telling the truth when there's no particular reason to believe it's not the other way around.

[jotheonah]

NVM, you're not refusing to go along with it. Anymore. And to answer your question, theorel.

[Robz888]

I'm really worried that this is the moment where spectators will say, "NO ROBZ! YOU WERE DOING SO WELL, AND THEY TRICKED YOU INTO MASSCLAIM! NOOOOO...."

I'm really, really worried scum are Grujah, Frisk, and Jo, and am about to look like an idiot. On the other hand, they are desperate to know this scum setup, which is something scum don't need to know, so... fine.

[Captain_Frisk]

theorel, sparky, RobZ, insomniac have all not claimed i think?

[Robz888]

......... I am a Tracker.

[jotheonah]

Oh, well than you lied about your VT claim. Lynch All Liars.