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[Glooble]

I didn't think of Axxle being bulletproof. That's another possibility.

[Voltgloss]

I just looked over the role PMs at the beginning of the thread, and it doesn't say anything about the roleblockers protecting their targets from night kills. It looks like they block their roles, and that's it. Volt, confirm?

Confirmed.  Roleblockers do not stop their targets from dying.

[Axxle]

@Axxle2 - Why did you vote for the Jo lynch - knowing that the plan would involve shooting yourself?

Plenty of reasons.  Mostly I knew that the loss of me was less of a burden to a town than the loss of someone else.

This situation is so confusing.  Either we had EXTREMELY lucky town, but what I think might be more likely is that both Mafia and SK decided to set themselves up for a roleblocker/protection roleclaim and DSell or myself for the lynch since there was serious talk about mass roleclaiming today.

[Tables]

DSell was blocked, doctor protected the mafia target (there is no SK)
DSell was blocked, doctors protected both mafia and SK tagets
DSell did not kill, mafia did not kill or were blocked.
DSell is mafia/SK, his kill was blocked, or he did not kill

And lots of other possibilities. In particular, how likely is it that both the SK and mafia decided not to kill today, while DSell did? I think a very plausible situation is:

DSell is blocked, the mafia hit the SK, the SK hits the doctor target. Which is... interesting, to say the least. Unlikely, too.

Also I'm not sure why people are suggesting Jailkeepers. We can't have one. It's not one of the listed roles.

[Captain_Frisk]

Also I'm not sure why people are suggesting Jailkeepers. We can't have one. It's not one of the listed roles.

Snap!  @Volt - can we get a confirmation?

[Voltgloss]

Also I'm not sure why people are suggesting Jailkeepers. We can't have one. It's not one of the listed roles.

Snap!  @Volt - can we get a confirmation?

There are no roles in the game beyond those listed in the intro post.  I don't know if people are using the term "jailkeeper" to colloquially (and imprecisely) mean "roleblocker."  But I can confirm that there is no role in this game that both roleblocks AND protects its target (i.e., a "jailkeeper" as the term is properly used).

[Glooble]

That's what I was just saying about roleblockers not protecting their targets.

We could still have doctor + roleblocker though, although that seems unlikely to me.

[Captain_Frisk]

Also I'm not sure why people are suggesting Jailkeepers. We can't have one. It's not one of the listed roles.

Snap!  @Volt - can we get a confirmation?

There are no roles in the game beyond those listed in the intro post.  I don't know if people are using the term "jailkeeper" to colloquially (and imprecisely) mean "roleblocker."  But I can confirm that there is no role in this game that both roleblocks AND protects its target (i.e., a "jailkeeper" as the term is properly used).

Thank you.  I was using jailkeeper as a proper term - as I (mistakenly) assumed that it was one of the possible roles.  That does make things alot harder.

[Tables]

Having thought about it, I think it's time we confirmed the presence of a serial killer. I am not a woodcutter/militiaman.

It's possible we have another woodcutter, which could potentially eliminate the need for a SK. But first I think we need to check that.

[Captain_Frisk]

Having thought about it, I think it's time we confirmed the presence of a serial killer. I am not a woodcutter/militiaman.

It's possible we have another woodcutter, which could potentially eliminate the need for a SK. But first I think we need to check that.

Didn't we do this yesterday?  I haven't gone back through to confirm that everyone did or did not, but I'll do it again:

I am not a woodcutter/militiaman.

[Captain_Frisk]

So the first piece of the puzzle is: What did DSell do?

I see a bunch of branching paths from there - but lets start with that.

Where is everyone!

[Tables]

We started, but it was a bit too early, which is why I didn't. I remember SFS, Pops and Axxle confirmed they weren't. Adding me and you and DSell gives us 6/8 without me even needing to look back.

[Axxle]

We started, but it was a bit too early, which is why I didn't. I remember SFS, Pops and Axxle confirmed they weren't. Adding me and you and DSell gives us 6/8 without me even needing to look back.

I'm about 80% sure that Robz started it.

[Tables]

I thought it was Frisk, actually. Not sure it really matters.

[SwitchedFromStarcraft]

I'm caught up through 2913, but will be out most of the afternoon.

This is NOT what I expected.  Can't wait to hear Dsell's story.

[Captain_Frisk]

Yeah it was me.  Tables didn't like it.  RobZ didn't claim - and mentioned that if someone did claim, then it would be a contest between the newclaimer and DSell - which I didn't buy.  (Hypothetically assume I am a mafia / SK would would be willing to claim false claim 3rd vig - i convince the rest of town that DSell is lying because i'm the real vig.  DSell is lynched.  He flips vig.  I'm boned harder than Personman was after Donald X.'s epic conversion of a thread into a game of forum mafia.

Pops of course didn't claim.

I tend to view no-one claiming 3rd vig as evidence that there are no other vigs, because if there was a true vig - they would have claimed and we would have lynched DSell.  That doesn't necessarily clear DSell's claim, but it also doesn't make him an auto lynch.

[Robz888]

Hi guys, I just got caught up on the thread.

I did NOT start the roleclaiming thing yesterday. I didn't even weigh in on it. Didn't see the point. But now, for the record, I am NOT a militiaman/woodcutter.

[Robz888]

Anyway, we do not have another vigilante. If we did, it would have contradicted Dsell's claim. Because Grujah is already a confirmed Vig, and Dsell makes 2, and their could not be 3 of them. You could have had like 4 deaths the first night. The game wouldn't have been balanced.

[Robz888]

I think it will have to be strongly considered at this point that Dsell is lying.

[Dsell]

I shot Axxle2. This looks almost as bad for the mafia as it does for me, though.

Also, I'm attending a wedding later today so I will not be on much at all until much later tonight.

[Axxle]

For the record, now that Joth flipped town I'm pretty sure CF is town for reasons I've stated earlier (the lynch window he had in an earlier day)

[Dsell]

For the record, now that Joth flipped town I'm pretty sure CF is town for reasons I've stated earlier (the lynch window he had in an earlier day)

It's still possible that he's SK though. I think it's somewhat less likely than Robz, but still very possible.

[Axxle]

@Robz: who did you shoot at yesterday? It might help us track down mafia.

[Robz888]

@Robz: who did you shoot at yesterday? It might help us track down mafia.

I shot myself. Which means the doctor protected me, but the doctor was roleblocked, but the roleblocker was bus drivered. No one. I don't get a night shot, you trickster.

[Captain_Frisk]

Ok - so as long as a town roleblocker didn't block DSell and / or town doctor didn't protect Axxle, then it is confirmed that there is scum within that pair.  Agreed? 

The only other scenarios I can think of are:

- Mafia Roleblocker blocks Town Vig DSell who was targeting Vanilla Town (per his claim) Axxle valid as a way to cause confusion and make for an easy lynch today (and tomorrow i suppose)
- Axxle is really a doctor / roleblocker and falseclaimed VT yesterday - and protected himself from the DSell shot.  This one is even worse because it involves town lying, and intentionally wasting DSell's shot.