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[Tables]

All right - I was wrong:  If DSell is mafia - we may not have a serial killer.

Ok - If we assume a scenario with 3 vigs is impossible:

Scenario 1: Tables is telling the truth - and we have 3 vigs.  This is impossible per the assumption.
Scenario 2: Tables is telling the truth - and we have a different serial killer who is responsible for the death(s) of the additional night kill (s).
Scenario 3: Tables is lying and is Serial Killer - and is using the one shot vig for cover of a future kill.  He made the extra night kill(s).  A 2nd vig may have also assisted.
Scenario 4: Tables is lying and is mafia - and we have a serial killer responsible for the night kill(s).
Scenario 5: Tables is mafia - and we have a vig who is responsible for the extra night kill (s).

So - lets give everyone  some time to come in and claim partial vig.  If we agree that 3 vigs is extremely unlikely - then anyone claiming vig results in scenario 3, 4 or 5 - and a guaranteed lynch of scum.

I'll start us off:

I am not a vig.

If I were even a partial vig - I'd claim here, because even if that means I'll be night killed, trading 1:1 scum for town seems like it is in our interest, and I might have doctorly protection coming. 

If no-one claims - then we have a serial killer - because the 5th scenario  (DSell = mafia + Grujah Kill + Other Vig Kill) is off the table.

How does it help us to know if we have a SK? This is reading like a massive, unashamed rolefish, and I'm not sure what knowledge it's supposed to give us.

[Captain_Frisk]

How does it help us to know if we have a SK? This is reading like a massive, unashamed rolefish, and I'm not sure what knowledge it's supposed to give us.

If someone claims vig - we can execute DSell without worry.

[Robz888]

How does it help us to know if we have a SK? This is reading like a massive, unashamed rolefish, and I'm not sure what knowledge it's supposed to give us.

If someone claims vig - we can execute DSell without worry.

Well, no. We would execute Dsell or the other Vig claimant. One of them would be lying, not necessarily Dsell.

[Axxle]

How does it help us to know if we have a SK? This is reading like a massive, unashamed rolefish, and I'm not sure what knowledge it's supposed to give us.

If someone claims vig - we can execute DSell without worry.

I don't think we have to go through this whole massclaim of who isn't vig.  If we have another vig they should just say so, otherwise the end.  For the record, I'm not vig, obviously.

[Robz888]

Well, things just got interesting. I'm inclined not to believe DSell's claim, but agree we should essentially agree two targets today and let the night help our decision. Reasonable/likely candidates are: Frisk, Axxle and Joth. Pops, Glooble and Robz aren't off the table, but I think they're less good targets personally. Although I suspect, for obvious reasons, if we have a SK it's likely Robz (hey, Robz predicted I'd say that! Does that mean I lose because of OMGUS? Speaking of which I can prove I'm not investigation immune - just have someone shoot me and when I survive you know I picked BP).

I'm still really not sure on Joth, Axxle and Frisk. Frisk I'm now reading more town on, and both Axxle and Joth I can still see as mafia. Especially if we're too believe DSell, which is the more likely mafia? I'm really sitting on the fence here. Is there some useful choices we can make, like 'if X is mafia, shoot Y, otherwise, shoot Z'?

Unvote

This, except I'm much less sure Dsell is telling the truth (although I see the wisdom in not lynching him). And of course I'm not the Serial Killer, and I'm going to be in a lot of trouble here when inevitably we have to decide who the SK is. But I won't waste our time arguing why I'm not the SK right now.

If we really aren't lynching Dsell, we should lynch Axxle, and tell Dsell to shoot, uh... Jo, probably.

Dsell do you oppose using your shot on Jo? You have voted for him both rounds, so I would think you expect him to turn up mafia or SK, more than anyone else.

[jotheonah]

If we think the SK might be bulletproof, we want Dsell to shoot a mafia suspect instead.

Otherwise he can use potential bulletproof SK to explain if he doesn't manage to effect the asked-for kill.

So I nominate Frisk.

[SwitchedFromStarcraft]

Now it's really getting interesting. A "free' correct answer appeals to me. Are we going to set a time limit for everyone to weigh in?

I don't see how it can be anti-town to participate (hope I haven't screwed up), so I'll go next.  It's not new news to you guys, having used my one-shot, but

I am NOT a vig.

[Axxle]

I don't mind getting lynched/shot as long as we *do* keep DSell alive to take that shot.  I second the proposal for CF to be lynched/shot alongside me.

[Captain_Frisk]

How does it help us to know if we have a SK? This is reading like a massive, unashamed rolefish, and I'm not sure what knowledge it's supposed to give us.

If someone claims vig - we can execute DSell without worry.

I don't think we have to go through this whole massclaim of who isn't vig.  If we have another vig they should just say so, otherwise the end.  For the record, I'm not vig, obviously.

I just figured we should put it on the record because we're not all online all the time etc. etc. 

How does it help us to know if we have a SK? This is reading like a massive, unashamed rolefish, and I'm not sure what knowledge it's supposed to give us.

If someone claims vig - we can execute DSell without worry.

Well, no. We would execute Dsell or the other Vig claimant. One of them would be lying, not necessarily Dsell.

This isn't a cop claim / counter claim type of situation.  If you were a mafia / SK who was going to counter claim against DSell - you'd be in world of hurt if when he flipped vig.

[SwitchedFromStarcraft]

Well, we should have a lot more info this time tomorrow. Goodnight all.

[SwitchedFromStarcraft]

Oh, and to be safe I guess I

UNVOTE

[jotheonah]

I'm not a vig, obv. I stand by my day 1 claim, even if most of my day 1 play makes me cringe.

[Axxle]

most of my day 1 play makes me cringe.

(ノಠ益ಠ)ノ彡┻━┻

I changed my mind. Can we lynch or shoot me and Joth for the policy lynch he had coming?

Unvote till we figure things out.

(sorry for flipping you tables)

[Captain_Frisk]

Vote: Axxle

I don't mind getting lynched/shot as long as we *do* keep DSell alive to take that shot.  I second the proposal for CF to be lynched/shot alongside me.

The nightmare tonight scenario here is: 3 Town Kills.  If Axxle2 is truly town - he's volunteering to guarantee 1 of them.  That's offensive play - even worse than J self voting.

Lynch Axxle - Request DSell shoot J.
If J doesn't die - then debate lynching J or DSell. 
If only J dies - then lynch DSell unless someone claims protective role.

PPE - It looks like Axxle agrees with me.

[Captain_Frisk]

Bah - Unvote

Axxle agreeing with this approach makes me angry.

[Axxle]

Vote: Axxle

I don't mind getting lynched/shot as long as we *do* keep DSell alive to take that shot.  I second the proposal for CF to be lynched/shot alongside me.

The nightmare tonight scenario here is: 3 Town Kills.  If Axxle2 is truly town - he's volunteering to guarantee 1 of them.  That's offensive play - even worse than J self voting.

Sorry, what I meant here was basically "Lynch me, not DSell"

[popsofctown]

Axxle is suicidal?

I need a gif of kyon facepalming.

kinda have to lynch Axxle now.  Self voters flip bad more often then not, and the only explanation for a player trying to cause their own death is WIFOM so that they actually survive - which then becomes a survivalist tell.

[Captain_Frisk]

40 minutes of inactivity == dead thread?  I'm about to go to bed folks - anyone have some insights?

RobZ?  Any megaposts?

[Captain_Frisk]

I tend to agree pops, but man I don't like it.  Please stop being sensible. 

[popsofctown]

No.
You'll get nothing and like it.

[Axxle]

Axxle is suicidal?

I need a gif of kyon facepalming.

kinda have to lynch Axxle now.  Self voters flip bad more often then not, and the only explanation for a player trying to cause their own death is WIFOM so that they actually survive - which then becomes a survivalist tell.

Can we kill Joth for the same reason though?

[Voltgloss]

Vote Count 3-12

Axxle (2): popsofctown, jotheonah

Not voting {7}: Dsell, Glooble, Robz888, Tables, SwitchedFromStarcraft, Axxle, Captain_Frisk

With 9 alive, it takes 5 to lynch

Lynch Deadline:  Thursday, July 12, 4:59 p.m. EDT

[Axxle]

Vote: Joth

[popsofctown]

Joth doesn't know any better.  Burden of Proficiency

Thank you very much for the gif.

[Axxle]

Joth doesn't know any better.  Burden of Proficiency

Thank you very much for the gif.

Its a jpeg >