Topic: Mafia IV: Within These Estate Walls (GAME OVER - MAFIA WINS!) (Read 340915 times)

Robz888 · « **Reply #2625 on:** July 02, 2012, 04:50:17 pm »

UNVOTE: DSELL

If you have something to say, say it. Then I'm re-voting.

jotheonah · « **Reply #2626 on:** July 02, 2012, 04:50:50 pm »

Unvote.

There better be a reason for that.

Edit: Ninja'd. But seriously.

Dsell · « **Reply #2627 on:** July 02, 2012, 04:52:47 pm »

I am a Woodcutter (1-shot vigilante). I have not used my kill yet. Like I've mentioned in the past about the woodcutter, I believe it is much more useful late in the game when there is a good shot at actually hitting mafia. This is why I was quite confident about a serial killer. I am a woodcutter and I know that none of the NKs so far have been from me.

jotheonah · « **Reply #2628 on:** July 02, 2012, 04:54:23 pm »

And you didn't claim this before now? All the times when we were talking about...

Dammit.

jotheonah · « **Reply #2629 on:** July 02, 2012, 04:55:03 pm »

No, I get why you didn't claim before hitting L-1, it's fine. It's just that this changes a lot, IMO.

Robz888 · « **Reply #2630 on:** July 02, 2012, 04:55:32 pm »

Quote from: Dsell on July 02, 2012, 04:52:47 pm

I am a Woodcutter (1-shot vigilante). I have not used my kill yet. Like I've mentioned in the past about the woodcutter, I believe it is much more useful late in the game when there is a good shot at actually hitting mafia. This is why I was quite confident about a serial killer. I am a woodcutter and I know that none of the NKs so far have been from me.

The interesting thing about this is that I did believe Dsell was a Vigilante since Day 2. When I insisted that the second kill Night 1 was not due to a SK, and I hinted that I suspected there was a Vig, Dsell was the one whom I suspected.

However, the basis of that suspicion was that he would killed Theorel, because he had quarreled with theorel, and theorel would appear scummiest to Dsell.

So while I would have believed the claim, it was contigent upon him having killed Theorel, which he claims he did not. Also, i believe I mentioned already today that I suspected Dsell of being the Vig, so he might just be copying that.

So I don't know if I believe this. He would be the second Woodcutter, after Grujah, who is confirmed.

jotheonah · « **Reply #2631 on:** July 02, 2012, 04:58:13 pm »

That's the thing. It's a stupid-ass claim for mafia or SK to make right now. Which makes me inclined to believe it's the truth. There are a million better fakeclaims.

Dsell · « **Reply #2632 on:** July 02, 2012, 05:00:17 pm »

I hoped I wouldn't get to L-1 but I couldn't risk letting mafia quickhammer me.

I don't believe in partial-claiming or hinting. It only puts me at risk for getting NK'd and it's important that I stay alive to the late game to make my kill count.

jotheonah · « **Reply #2633 on:** July 02, 2012, 05:01:09 pm »

Also, why the heck didn't you Vig me? you've been FoSing/voting me all game, you've never indicated any level of confidence that I'm town, and if I am town you knew I wasn't a PR since day 1.

Robz888 · « **Reply #2634 on:** July 02, 2012, 05:03:06 pm »

Quote from: jotheonah on July 02, 2012, 05:01:09 pm

Also, why the heck didn't you Vig me? you've been FoSing/voting me all game, you've never indicated any level of confidence that I'm town, and if I am town you knew I wasn't a PR since day 1.

That's a great point. Actually, it makes me disbelieve your claim entirely. Why not kill Jo? Two days of voting for him, and you don't kill him?

Dsell · « **Reply #2635 on:** July 02, 2012, 05:06:04 pm »

Quote from: jotheonah on July 02, 2012, 05:01:09 pm

Also, why the heck didn't you Vig me? you've been FoSing/voting me all game, you've never indicated any level of confidence that I'm town, and if I am town you knew I wasn't a PR since day 1.

Because I wanted to save it till the late game. Like I've said. I believe you are scum but I expect myself to have better reads on night 4, for example, than night 1 or 2.

The SK probably has been trying to hit mafia too, and I don't know why my reads would be better than theirs.

popsofctown · « **Reply #2636 on:** July 02, 2012, 05:08:01 pm »

oh my god

my eyes are bleeding

such bad mafia play

dude, you don't have to hardclaim after a soft claim like that. Just stick with the softclaim. Capslocked posts asking for unvotes are rather clear softclaims.

getting him to L-1 so quickly was also bad mafia play to start with.

Dsell · « **Reply #2637 on:** July 02, 2012, 05:10:51 pm »

Quote from: popsofctown on July 02, 2012, 05:08:01 pm

oh my god

my eyes are bleeding

such bad mafia play

dude, you don't have to hardclaim after a soft claim like that. Just stick with the softclaim. Capslocked posts asking for unvotes are rather clear softclaims.

getting him to L-1 so quickly was also bad mafia play to start with.

I don't believe in softclaims, and if I didn't follow that post up with a claim, I would be back to L-1 faster than you can say "mislynch."

jotheonah · « **Reply #2638 on:** July 02, 2012, 05:13:47 pm »

Quote from: popsofctown on July 02, 2012, 05:08:01 pm

oh my god

my eyes are bleeding

such bad mafia play

dude, you don't have to hardclaim after a soft claim like that. Just stick with the softclaim. Capslocked posts asking for unvotes are rather clear softclaims.

getting him to L-1 so quickly was also bad mafia play to start with.

you want to cool it with the meta-commentary and get with some useful commentary pops? Do we buy this claim? (Robz doesn't. I'm leaning toward no.)

Glooble · « **Reply #2639 on:** July 02, 2012, 05:15:46 pm »

Why not kill jo is the big question. I totally buy multiple 1-shot Vigs.

Axxle · « **Reply #2640 on:** July 02, 2012, 05:16:15 pm »

I believe DSell's claim. It fits with what I know about his play in other games (like Mafia III). He really doesn't seem to like to take action as town without being incredibly certain.

I'm obviously still wanting a CF lynch. Most of my time was taken up by MVI today, but I'll come back tonight with more moreness.

jotheonah · « **Reply #2641 on:** July 02, 2012, 05:21:53 pm »

How good is Robz's Dsell-Axxle team looking now?

Captain_Frisk · « **Reply #2642 on:** July 02, 2012, 05:29:14 pm »

Quote from: Axxle on July 02, 2012, 05:16:15 pm

I believe DSell's claim. It fits with what I know about his play in other games (like Mafia III). He really doesn't seem to like to take action as town without being incredibly certain.

I'm obviously still wanting a CF lynch. Most of my time was taken up by MVI today, but I'll come back tonight with more moreness.

Clearly MVI is significantly more important at this point - it being at Lylo and all.

Axxle · « **Reply #2643 on:** July 02, 2012, 05:30:15 pm »

Quote from: Captain_Frisk on July 02, 2012, 05:29:14 pm

Quote from: Axxle on July 02, 2012, 05:16:15 pm
I believe DSell's claim. It fits with what I know about his play in other games (like Mafia III). He really doesn't seem to like to take action as town without being incredibly certain.

I'm obviously still wanting a CF lynch. Most of my time was taken up by MVI today, but I'll come back tonight with more moreness.

Clearly MVI is significantly more important at this point - it being at Lylo and all.

... more to read. I never said I have my priorities straight.

Robz888 · « **Reply #2644 on:** July 02, 2012, 05:31:36 pm »

Quote from: Robz888 on June 13, 2012, 02:20:06 pm

Fine, I’ll just say it: I believe there is a Vigilante who killed Theorel. I also think I know who it is. I am picking up on some tells that possibly other people didn’t notice, but yeah. So that’s why I think it. If the person I have in my head is a Vigilante, the Theorel kill makes a lot of sense. I obviously don’t want to out the person, and I could be wrong. So anyway, that’s why I am so sure.

You don’t know why Theorel was killed, but I do. He was killed by the Vigilante. I think I know who the Vigilante is, and why he killed Theorel. So there.

I said this way back at the start-ish of Day 2. The person I had in my head was indeed Dsell, but only because I believed he killed Theorel. But recently, I confessed this:

Quote from: Robz888 on June 29, 2012, 12:30:13 am

I must admit it is only recently that I began to even consider Dsell. He was not an Axxle1 voter. Also--and this is important--I thought he was a Vigilante, off a hunch. It seemed to me he would have killed theorel, because they argued. But now I'm not sure we have anymore Vigs.

SO he could have chosen to claim this, because I did use to believe it. But only because I believed he killed Theorel.

Dsell · « **Reply #2645 on:** July 02, 2012, 05:33:06 pm »

It seems to me like obviously bad woodcutter play to use your kill right away. I mentioned that when discussing SKs and it's why I also doubt that Grujah used his shot.

Axxle · « **Reply #2646 on:** July 02, 2012, 05:33:28 pm »

@Robz: FWIW: I thought you were setting yourself up for a claim when you said that.

Robz888 · « **Reply #2647 on:** July 02, 2012, 05:33:44 pm »

It seems plausible to me he picked Vig because he knew I already believed that he was Vig. I did say I thought it was because he killed theorel, but I also hinted there were other reasons I thought he was Vig. There weren't. So, he may have erred in not claiming to have killed Theorel. It's possible he didn't because he's afraid that whoever did kill Theorel--if not Grujah, a true, living Vig, or our Serial Killer pretending to be a Vig--would contradict him.

Voltgloss · « **Reply #2648 on:** July 02, 2012, 05:35:11 pm »

Vote Count 3-10

Captain_Frisk (1): Axxle
Dsell (2): Tables, SwitchedFromStarcraft
Axxle (1): popsofctown

Not voting {5}: Dsell, Captain_Frisk, Glooble, Robz888, jotheonah

With 9 alive, it takes 5 to lynch

Lynch Deadline: Thursday, July 12, 4:59 p.m. EDT

Axxle · « **Reply #2649 on:** July 02, 2012, 05:36:05 pm »

I'm pretty sure we have a Bulletproof SK if we have 2 vigs.

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