There's a few suspicions I've got floating around right now. Firstly, I agree with DSell's analysis of the three mid-bandwagoners, and especially, it's made me a lot more suspicious of Pops. My day 1 read of him wasn't good - it was pretty neutral IIRC. But today I've been getting more and more suspicious. I won't regurgitate the reasons DSell gave, but just know I agree with them, and Pops general lack of good justification of his vote now has me worried.
I'm going to try and do this objectively but obviously, I'm slightly biased, so: Pops, why should SFS be more likely protected than me? If his claim is true, then he has no role remaining. He's no better to protect than Joth would be. In fact, his death would confirm to everyone the result he got on me - which while it can't be trusted 100%, is certainly a useful piece of information later on. If his claim is false, considering the way he's played, it seems pretty likely he's mafia rather than lying town, and in that case he can very easily fabricate a claim on any townie, and be correct. But more to the point, SFS hasn't done really anything to convince me he's town, you seem 'convinced' he is yet there's really no evidence of that, and given his claim, objectively, unless there's some very suspicious thing I've done that nobody has pointed out yet, aren't I the one whose a) More likely town and b) Certain to have a role at least as good as his (VT is the worst role, and I at least have that) if I'm town?
Overall, I'm just not happy with Pops' play at the moment. His assertions, such as that SFS is 'obvtown' when it's certainly FAR from obvious feel a lot like he's trying to ram what he believes down our throats without us arguing it. And that's bad. Especially when I don't feel he has a redeeming day 1 to look back at, and I feel reasonably comfortable doing this right now.
Vote: PopsOn another note, I'm pretty suspicious of SFS right now. This cop claim seems like a really good way to draw attention away from one or even two mafiosos, while offering the town almost no helpful information. It's also totally full of holes:
1. If SFS really is an investigative role, why investigate Tables of all people? Better suspects included: jo, who everyone wants to lynch; pops, the subject of the first bandwagon, who's alignment would have been so much more instructive to know (and who has consistantly defended SFS for almost no reason I should add), Galz, who led the bandwagon on a VT, theorel, who hammered it, Grujah, Me for that matter. I could go on, I just think Tables was a really random choice.
2. Why share this information immediately? This makes no sense to me. There was no discussion going about Tables, virtually no chance of him being lynched, and he wasn't even involved in the Axxle lynch. Why did the town need to know immediately that he was town? I don't understand SFS's reasoning here at all and it's bugging me.
But if SFS is mafia, he just made a lot of people trust both him and, potentially, Tables. A bold play, yes, given the high risk of a counterclaim (which we haven't had yet) but definitely worth it if people buy it. SFS, I could use a stronger defense on why you chose to use your night action in such a manner. Right now its looking very scummy to me.
I want to adress this post because of a number of holes it has. Firstly Glooble claimed this was new analysis in post 1316, when if you look back over pages 48-52, you'll see just about every argument Glooble made here was already made, except the SFS-Me pairing. I pointed out it in no way clears SFS, someone (Galz?) pointed out there are better targets for an investigation, LOTS of people have explained about sharing it immediately. So, another rehash of old arguments into something that can't really be called a new one. Not suspicious itself, but not overly helpful. Secondly Switched had already adressed most of the arguments in post 1239 - which Glooble conveniently ignores in his analysis (as this is post 1,300, almost 18 hours later, the 'not seen the post' argument can't really be applied). I mean, he kinda hinted at having seen this post in the penultimate line, but, well what more would you expect? Thirdly, except Pops, I don't think trust of SFS increased much at all. And finally, there's no risk of a counterclaim, as all roles can occur any number of times. Although I'm willing to chalk that up to forgetting the rule, since it is non standard.
In short, I have my two main suspects, and I'll let my vote show which I'm more certain about.
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