Composed at post #946. I won't review before submitting no matter what the forum tells me to do.
I'm biased...I think you're mafia, so I'm not actually reconsidering my position. You've tried to pick apart my argument which makes me naturally want to defend it. We could go back and forth, but what's the point? You could ignore me, and I could read that as deflecting. You could go black, and I could point out that you went away from a losing argument and make Robz vote for you. There is no case in which your words have any value to me...if i make exceptions I'll just be persecuting personalities that I disagree with. And you're not even under pressure yet.
this teaches me not to skim over very long posts; I missed this bit of ridiculousness. Mafia mistake or arrogant + bad town play to say "and make Robz vote for you"? Probably arrogant town
"so I'm not actually reconsidering my position"
Yes, yet again I'm defending Dsell, Sir Captain Frisk. This strongheadedness (which Dsell highlighted) really really bothers me.
Also in response to Robz's following post.
I'm going to respond to this real quick since it's obviously being misunderstood: It was sarcasm. Sorry, I thought it would be obvious. The reasoning is as follows: If DSell backed down, he'd be going dark after losing an argument. Robz stated that this was one of the things he looks for as mafia tell (admittedly from someone under pressure which is not how I would characterize DSell). So if he goes dark, [sarcasm] Robz
has to vote for him[/sarcasm]. It's a totally stupid argument which is why I thought it was obvious sarcasm.
As to the strongheadedness of not listening to the defender, I consider it less-so than Robz's strong-headedness of never changing his vote. At least I'm willing to listen to others.
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Re: Axxle-wagon.
-Axxle is being judged on his
actions not his
rhetoric. Robz: you seem very clearly to judge words more than acts, and think of posts as evidence. Not surprising you don't see this.
-The people joining the bandwagon seem to be reviewing the evidence and drawing their own conclusions. Often citing different reasons for thinking he's mafia. This reads especially townie, because good townie's are going to look for evidence not simply agree with others' evidence. Mafia will agree with others where possible, to make the townie feel more united with them.
-Short story, the Axxle wagon seems like several people that may not agree with each other on specifics finding the same person suspicious. They aren't a unified front excepting that they all think Axxle is likely enough to be mafia to merit a vote.
-Concerns, conclusions, and things to watch for: If there are several mafia, I find it hard to believe that he won't get bussed. I mean if they manage a joth lynch, and joth flips town, that'll look pretty bad. If they're all opposed to Axxle, and he flips mafia, that'll look pretty bad too. I'm a little worried Axxle
is town, and the mafia are steering clear. i.e. this is a town-wagon, but it's against town. There are already 8 people suspicious of Axxle (Glooble, Tables, and me as current non-voters). If he's town, and mafia just steer-clear they may need to supply only 0-or-1 votes and watch the fallout. I'll review everything in the morning...I don't honestly think we'll hit on a more likely target, but I am of the opinion that longer days are better, so I won't push it, unless discussion seems to go downhill.
DSell, O, Robz, and clearly Axxle stand opposed. Who else is in the game? (I'm a little tired from young child not willingly going to bed last night, and I am definitely not a night-person)
@Green-any new comments? (specifically about current events, i.e. Axxle)
@Insomniac: forum issues and all notwithstanding, I'd still love to see your longer post.
@Grujah: anything? You've been real quiet lately...let's see ah, you wanted more specific...Okay: what do you think of the current situation? In addition, who do you think is scummy? You didn't vote on jo, you're not weighing in on Axxle. Forum's been down a lot lately, so I won't hold your silence against you. You felt you were easily manipulated earlier...Well, I'd like to hear something original from you. I'll give you the challenge I didn't give before but which Green took on of his own accord: who are the 4 scummiest-sounding players in your opinion (you don't even need good reasons).