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* Plunder Previews #4: Next Time *
« on: December 15, 2022, 03:00:10 am »
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Plunder has a sub-theme for its Duration cards: next time. Cards that do something the next time a certain thing happens. They just sit around in play turn after turn, waiting for that thing. The thing may immediately happen of course, so that they're discarded that turn. Or it may never happen, and all they do is help out your Swamp Shacks and Tools. Let's see some.



Secluded Shrine is a basic one. Get a Treasure, and you'll get to trash two things. When you're done getting Treasures, Secluded Shrine will quietly leave your deck and just sit there forlornly in play.

Abundance is also simple: get an Action, and you get +$3 and +1 Buy. You can save up for a big turn, or just pop it immediately as a warped Workshop.

Flagship replays your next Action, skipping tricky things like other Flagships.

Landing Party is an exotic one: you have to have a turn that you launch with Treasure, and then all your Landing Partys will topdeck.

Now some landscapes!



Rush lets an Action leap into play; more useful with some Actions than others.

Inherited is a Trait that has you start the game with a particular card (usually replacing an Estate, but it's up to you). Good times.

Hasty makes a particular card leap into play, albeit a turn later. This one is useful on almost anything. A Hasty Territory goes into play but doesn't do anything else for being played; as always there's a rulebook.

Tomorrow: more stuff.
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Re: * Plunder Previews #4: Next Time *
« Reply #1 on: December 15, 2022, 04:33:57 am »
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Inherited an Overlord and the game is on 😁
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Re: * Plunder Previews #4: Next Time *
« Reply #2 on: December 15, 2022, 07:08:42 am »
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Any particular reason Flagship doesn't say "afterwards" like Citadels and Landing Party? I assume it has the same timing?

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Re: * Plunder Previews #4: Next Time *
« Reply #3 on: December 15, 2022, 07:33:41 am »
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The most interesting difference between these cards and Reserves is that they can activate when you don't really want them to.

Abundance might be one of my favourite cards yet in terms of the tactics around playing it.
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Re: * Plunder Previews #4: Next Time *
« Reply #4 on: December 15, 2022, 07:37:26 am »
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Does Inherited work from the top of the pile first, or are we all starting with a Fortune this game?
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Re: * Plunder Previews #4: Next Time *
« Reply #5 on: December 15, 2022, 07:41:27 am »
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Does Inherited work from the top of the pile first, or are we all starting with a Fortune this game?
No, you all get a Gladiator. Except in a 6 player game, then the last Player is the lucky one :-)
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Re: * Plunder Previews #4: Next Time *
« Reply #6 on: December 15, 2022, 07:46:03 am »
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Does Inherited work from the top of the pile first, or are we all starting with a Fortune this game?
No, you all get a Gladiator. Except in a 6 player game, then the last Player is the lucky one :-)
Also funny with split piles from Allies in a 5 player game, and Castles with any player count (although in 2 player both would start with Humble).

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Re: * Plunder Previews #4: Next Time *
« Reply #7 on: December 15, 2022, 07:54:35 am »
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Does Inherited work from the top of the pile first, or are we all starting with a Fortune this game?
No, you all get a Gladiator. Except in a 6 player game, then the last Player is the lucky one :-)
Also funny with split piles from Allies in a 5 player game, and Castles with any player count (although in 2 player both would start with Humble).

The Castle pile is simply Victory-Castle, so Traits don't apply to it. I think Territory is the only non Action/Treasure card that can get caught up in Traits.
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Re: * Plunder Previews #4: Next Time *
« Reply #8 on: December 15, 2022, 08:00:51 am »
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Does Inherited work from the top of the pile first, or are we all starting with a Fortune this game?
No, you all get a Gladiator. Except in a 6 player game, then the last Player is the lucky one :-)
Also funny with split piles from Allies in a 5 player game, and Castles with any player count (although in 2 player both would start with Humble).

The Castle pile is simply Victory-Castle, so Traits don't apply to it. I think Territory is the only non Action/Treasure card that can get caught up in Traits.
Right!
... Knights is one that will potentially unbalance the game from the start with any player count.

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Re: * Plunder Previews #4: Next Time *
« Reply #9 on: December 15, 2022, 08:04:14 am »
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Territory is the only non Action/Treasure card that can get caught up in Traits.
Kinda unlucky being player 13-16 in a game with an Inherited clashes pile
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Re: * Plunder Previews #4: Next Time *
« Reply #10 on: December 15, 2022, 08:06:03 am »
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Seems like some Traits make cards pretty bonkers (Cheap Seer, Hasty Experiment, Inherited Possession), but the probability is low enough that it doesn't matter.

I can also imagine a few card (shaped things) seeming a lot weaker in full random than in the previews like Prosper, Pendant, Wealthy Village.
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Re: * Plunder Previews #4: Next Time *
« Reply #11 on: December 15, 2022, 08:31:24 am »
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Inherited Rebuild. Now there's a time you may want to replace a Copper.
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Re: * Plunder Previews #4: Next Time *
« Reply #12 on: December 15, 2022, 08:42:33 am »
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Inherited Rebuild. Now there's a time you may want to replace a Copper.
Also when Inheritance is on the table  :)
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Re: * Plunder Previews #4: Next Time *
« Reply #13 on: December 15, 2022, 09:32:25 am »
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Any particular reason Flagship doesn't say "afterwards" like Citadels and Landing Party? I assume it has the same timing?

Yes Flagship is a Royal Carriage.

For the wording, well I can't speak for Donald X., but I'll just assume that, no playtester was ever confused by it and there were other things to work on. And these other things include that command clause.

The command clause exists because Band of Misfits / Overlord would have generated infinite money with Flagship. At the same time, Flagship working with other Flagships would probably confuse too many people (I think people are still confused/annoyed by Mastermind Mastermind? not sure). So the command thing was the simplest solution (other than, killing the card).

And I'll just answer this here:
-If you play Flagship and then BoM, Flagship replays the card that BoM plays.
-If you play Flagship and then Necromancer, Flagship replays the Necromancer (so you have a pick a different action in the trash).
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Re: * Plunder Previews #4: Next Time *
« Reply #14 on: December 15, 2022, 10:24:59 am »
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For clarification: You say that Inherited can replace any starting card - this would include any Heirlooms, right?
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Re: * Plunder Previews #4: Next Time *
« Reply #15 on: December 15, 2022, 10:35:29 am »
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For clarification: You say that Inherited can replace any starting card - this would include any Heirlooms, right?
Correct
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Re: * Plunder Previews #4: Next Time *
« Reply #16 on: December 15, 2022, 10:54:23 am »
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Landing Party/Prepare is a neat and even kind of thematic combo.
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Re: * Plunder Previews #4: Next Time *
« Reply #17 on: December 15, 2022, 11:18:48 am »
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Landing Party would be really strong with Capitalism
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Re: * Plunder Previews #4: Next Time *
« Reply #18 on: December 15, 2022, 11:23:52 am »
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Crown is another nice Landing Party interaction.
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Re: * Plunder Previews #4: Next Time *
« Reply #19 on: December 15, 2022, 12:24:20 pm »
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So, barring things like Ways or Enchantress, Landing Party would never get discarded from play, right? You play it, then it sits around until a turn where the first card you play is a Treasure, and at that point it gets top-decked, so when it comes to the Clean-Up phase, the only time it'll ever be in play is if it's still waiting for that trigger
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Re: * Plunder Previews #4: Next Time *
« Reply #20 on: December 15, 2022, 01:08:35 pm »
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So far my favorite Landing Party enabler is..Band of Misfits :D
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Re: * Plunder Previews #4: Next Time *
« Reply #21 on: December 15, 2022, 01:13:03 pm »
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So, barring things like Ways or Enchantress, Landing Party would never get discarded from play, right? You play it, then it sits around until a turn where the first card you play is a Treasure, and at that point it gets top-decked, so when it comes to the Clean-Up phase, the only time it'll ever be in play is if it's still waiting for that trigger

Landing Parties can never be Schemed or Improved it looks like.
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Re: * Plunder Previews #4: Next Time *
« Reply #22 on: December 15, 2022, 01:41:12 pm »
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So far my favorite Landing Party enabler is..Band of Misfits :D

Hmm... so if you Band of Misfits / Landing Party, the Band of Misfits is discarded from play on the turn it's played, as if it were Lost City, is what you're saying? I guess that's because:
* Band of Misfits stays in play for as many turns as the Duration card it's commanding still has something left to do;
* the only thing that the Landing Party has left to do is top-deck itself from play;
* since Landing Party is not in play, we know it's not going to do that;
* therefore the Landing Party has nothing left to do;
* therefore the Band of Misfits is discarded this turn.

...Ah, I see, it's the same reasoning as Band of Misfits / Conjurer.
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Re: * Plunder Previews #4: Next Time *
« Reply #23 on: December 15, 2022, 01:56:52 pm »
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Does Inherited work from the top of the pile first, or are we all starting with a Fortune this game?
No, you all get a Gladiator. Except in a 6 player game, then the last Player is the lucky one :-)

Is that the actual rule for Inherited split piles? Seems very unfair at least with Glad./Fortune, almost game over before turn 1...
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Re: * Plunder Previews #4: Next Time *
« Reply #24 on: December 15, 2022, 02:22:53 pm »
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Any particular reason Flagship doesn't say "afterwards" like Citadels and Landing Party? I assume it has the same timing?
"Afterwards" might be good on Flagship for clarity; it's just an oversight that it's not there.
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