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[EFHW]

I think I have some understanding of joth's game so far now, and it's making a bit more sense. I think the "stick to a read" plan explains the vibe I (and I gather Swowl) was getting, and it sounds likely to be a premeditated (ie non-alignment-dependent) plan. I think I'm leaning slight Town, but also that he warrants further investigation on a future Day.

I would like to know why MiX said joth voting for EFHW was a scumslip - was that ever explained? Was it just because it contradicted his plan?

He explains in #555.

[Jimmmmm]

Ah, thanks.

[Jimmmmm]

He didn't vote me when he said he wanted to policy exile me.

So, you would only find a policy exile suggestion scummy if it's accompanied by a vote? Does the fact that it's not accompanied by vote indicate it's not serious?

[Jimmmmm]

I actually do think Jimmmmm is scummy  -- because I think I see careful maneuvering that an experienced player who hasn't played for a bit might try. Pick a fight, be righteous about how town should play, buddy someone who voted you (me), and seem to move on with a level head.

I'm trying to understand this. faust is Town in this scenario, yes? Is the idea that get myself into some deep water, and trust my ability to reason my way out with the Towny posts I could make with my eyes closed and one hand tied behind my back?

[WestCoastDidds]

Hi friends- I am not caught up at all BUT I just realized that deadline is this afternoon. I am heading to the lake and I’m not going to have service. It’s a bad happenstance!

So I’m looking for advice… if not EFHW, who?

[Jimmmmm]

I might go back to Jimmmmm. I am feeling uncomfortable ever since joth got involved.

Should there be some kind of a "but" between these sentences? IE, this is explained by your #451?

[EFHW]

He didn't vote me when he said he wanted to policy exile me.

So, you would only find a policy exile suggestion scummy if it's accompanied by a vote? Does the fact that it's not accompanied by vote indicate it's not serious?

He made it clear he was resisting the urge. Very different from advocating.

[WestCoastDidds]

Can anyone do a vote count?

[Jimmmmm]

Hi friends- I am not caught up at all BUT I just realized that deadline is this afternoon. I am heading to the lake and I’m not going to have service. It’s a bad happenstance!

So I’m looking for advice… if not EFHW, who?

Oh shoot! I've been super mixed up by timezones. I thought the deadline had been pushed back for some reason, as first it was saying September 18, 2021, at 3:00 PM server time, and then it changed to saying September 19 at 5:00 AM. But I went back and checked just now and the latter has changed to saying "Today at 5:00 AM" and I realised that it's showing the time in my timezone. So deadline is in fact less than 4 hours away, and it's already past 1am for me. I thought I'd have tomorrow to settle on a vote.

[MiX]

Hi friends- I am not caught up at all BUT I just realized that deadline is this afternoon. I am heading to the lake and I’m not going to have service. It’s a bad happenstance!

So I’m looking for advice… if not EFHW, who?

joth? That's my guess.

[MiX]

Can anyone do a vote count?

Vote Count 1.MiX

EFHW (2): WestCoastDidds, Swowl
Jimmmmm (3): mathdude, EFHW, jotheonah
faust (1): Jimmmmm
mathdude (3): 2.71828....., iguanaiguana, gkrieg13
MiX (1): LaLight
joth (2): faust, MiX

Not Voting (0):

EoD is in 3:39 hours.

[MiX]

Can anyone do a vote count?

Vote Count 1.MiX

EFHW (2): WestCoastDidds, Swowl
Jimmmmm (3): mathdude, EFHW, jotheonah
faust (1): Jimmmmm
mathdude (3): 2.71828....., iguanaiguana, gkrieg13
MiX (1): LaLight
joth (2): faust, MiX

Not Voting (0):

EoD is in 3:39 hours.

I hereby veto the faust wagon on the grounds of "it's never correct to exile faust D1. No, this is not why town lost last game".

All the other wagons are viable though. This is fun.

[faust]

Hi friends- I am not caught up at all BUT I just realized that deadline is this afternoon. I am heading to the lake and I’m not going to have service. It’s a bad happenstance!

So I’m looking for advice… if not EFHW, who?

I'm pretty sure everyone's adivce is going to be "the person I'm voting for".

[Jimmmmm]

If we end up defaulting to a lurker exile I would suggest e. He's posted a bit without really contributing, whereas Swowl has made a couple of solid-looking posts despite having a lower post count.

[Jimmmmm]

I better look at mathdude.

[WestCoastDidds]

Thank you for the vote count, MiX.

I’m straight up sheeping my town reads. I’m sorry I don’t have more time. I thought I was couch lounging today, not going to the lake. I might be able to check in later, but I’m just not sure.

Vote: Joth

[Jimmmmm]

Initial thought on mathdude. His re-reads don't seem super genuine to me. Could be that he was tired, so he had to struggle through them, and could be that I already knew he started on me and never moved.

Checked the votes on him, and there is no case, beyond "eager for wagons" and "third on the wagon". I'm not joining a late-Day wagon full of reasonless votes.

[Jimmmmm]

I'm not loving any of the wagons.

[Jimmmmm]

LaLight would be another contender for the lurker exile. Has basically no content aside from that he'd love to see MiX or faust exiled but not me. I kind of feel like scum would make more of an effort to contribute something though.

[jotheonah]

Thank you for the vote count, MiX.

I’m straight up sheeping my town reads. I’m sorry I don’t have more time. I thought I was couch lounging today, not going to the lake. I might be able to check in later, but I’m just not sure.

Vote: Joth

Can I suggest Jim?

[Jimmmmm]

Okay I just said I'm not joining the mathdude wagon but I have to put my vote somewhere more useful than where it is, and I prefer mathdude to the other options. Sorry folks, but I'm going to have to turn it in. Might be around for another 10 minutes or so if there are any last-minute questions or anything.

Vote: mathdude

[iguanaiguana]

I'm here. I would exile elsewhere to avoid nexile, but right now where I'm at looks best.

[mathdude]

Okay I just said I'm not joining the mathdude wagon but I have to put my vote somewhere more useful than where it is, and I prefer mathdude to the other options. Sorry folks, but I'm going to have to turn it in. Might be around for another 10 minutes or so if there are any last-minute questions or anything.

Vote: mathdude

I realize I'm after those 10 minutes, and I'm guessing you voted me solely for self-preservation since I had the most votes. But you really should have looked at one of the people others have actually expressed a willingness to vote for. Someone whose some will actually give us reads on other people once we see a flip.

I honestly don't get the votes on me. There's nothing to defend against.

e voted me early, hasn't moved, hasn't participated much.

Iguana is the only vote I respect. He's looked at others, and decided to stick with me. It's wrong, but I respect it. And until his post just before this, it was like a tunnel, joth-like, not planning to go anywhere else (though I can no longer say that, since he's now said he's willing to move to get an exile).

gkrieg had a naked vote, I believe as well. And he hasn't said much else... regarding me or others. Just let the vote stick.

If we're going to exile someone, Jimmmmm seems the most helpful, and IMO, most likely to be scum.
EFHW should also be good tp get future reads on people, but I think she's town so I won't vote there.
Joth would also be a good vote, or maybe MiX.

[MiX]

Almost no activity 2 hours before deadline.

What a time to exile people.

EFHW (2): WestCoastDidds, Swowl
Jimmmmm (3): mathdude, EFHW, jotheonah
mathdude (4): 2.71828....., iguanaiguana, gkrieg13, Jimmmmm
MiX (1): LaLight
joth (2): faust, MiX

[iguanaiguana]

Almost no activity 2 hours before deadline.

What a time to exile people.

EFHW (2): WestCoastDidds, Swowl
Jimmmmm (3): mathdude, EFHW, jotheonah
mathdude (4): 2.71828....., iguanaiguana, gkrieg13, Jimmmmm
MiX (1): LaLight
joth (2): faust, MiX

Didds is voting Joth