Dylan re-read, with a strong "what if he's scum" sort of bias:
Early game vote on Mathdude, and a bunch of engagement with the concept of RVS.
Then goes on the post a bunch about stuff like the Space Gambit. It isn't too relevant to the game at that point, and isn't going to help with alignment, but on the flipside, it's getting conversation moving early on, so only really a source of scumpoints in a retrospective re-read where I'm looking for reasons Dylan might not be townie.
Ash made a post at #129 townreading MiX, Mathdude and gkrieg (and voting Joth). Dylan picked up on that in the very next post because gkrieg hadn't really said anything to warrant a change in opinion on his alignment. That's kind of a scum-hunting post, but also we now know that Ash's townreads were all good, so it's something scum would worry about. He did kind of back down at #145, after Ash gave a good response.
#146 now seems to be expressing suspicion on Joth. So now Dylan pivots from questioning Ash to joining him on putting pressure on Joth.
#152 Specific comments inviting MiX to put an EFHW case forward, which is interesting. I'm not sure whether to take it as a townie admission of lack of info, or a scummy "there's no case on EFHW" defensive case, or an alternatively-scummy challenge to MiX to build an EFHW case that scum can then utilise.
#178 Re-votes Mathdude, this time making it clear it's for a scumread rather than RVS. Though for vote count purposes, Dylan still remains the instigator of the wagon, since this was just a re-vote. However, it serves to get the thread talking about mathdude being scummy, especially because it looked like the third such vote in four posts. (For context, Mathdude had dropped a protest vote on me for low activity).
#196 Quite a long post engaging with MiX basically about why Mathdude is scummy, and it's scummy for MiX to suggest that voting there is scummy.
#219 Responding to my post at #218, which was trying to be a gentle reminder that being a newbie here is tough because there's a big learning curve around what the community sees as scummy vs what actually necessarily comes from a scum mindset. Dylan's response was basically that too many people are willing to defend Mathdude. This could just be a totally misguided town tunnel on a newbie, but if so, Dylan's being really blinkered by not even trying to absorb the defenses he's complaining that other people are putting forward.
#287 Keen to squash a possible Robz town-slip.
#289-#290 Lots of reasoning about Robz, with an undertone of worrying about what powers scum will have picked. It's too early for town to be really worrying about what's out there, but hard to say now whether his interest in scum powers is just idle curiosity or if it's because he's on the scummy side.
#365 Like MiX, Dylan claims to have jumped to a conclusion about how Mathdude must be fakeclaiming. We know MiX's was a lie, and that he didn't really think Mathdude was scum fake-claiming, but does Dylan actually believe it, or is he also lying to town in order to lock in the mixile?
#371 Hedgey defence of MiX, in encouragement of the Mathdude exile. No townpoints from me there.
#373 I'm very much not a fan of a post that starts "Wait a second" and then just piles more on the wagon instead of waiting even a fraction of a second...
#386 Weird post-hammer words to Mathdude about why he can't point to anything he did wrong, whereas before, Dylan was really pushing the "bad claim" line.
Day 2
#401: Happily jumps on the MiX wagon with me. I kind of give that townpoints, but not many.
#406: Says he originally thought Mathdude was claiming Vig, before following MiX's lead and reading traitor. We now know that MiX also read Vig initially, but deliberately didn't say so in-thread.
Quite a long absence, then a catch-up post at #555, which sounds really quite reasonable and non-scummy. After-note: I may have been buttered up by his accurate explanation to MiX of why he was just so un-followable this game.
Another long absence, then a small note to the thread at #702 saying he's busy. I can definitely sympathise.
#712 Unvotes MiX, and stays not voting until EoD2, which is disappointingly non-committal, but also probably better than a bad vote if he really didn't have the capacity to engage. Slight scumbells, especially since he was watching and commenting at #743 and #760, saying he was going off a gkrieg exile, but not making any move to offer an alternative by voting anywhere else. The hammer was at #768.
Day 3
#808 Biggish defense of why he stated D1 that he wanted to wait for what Mathdude said, but didn't unvote so that Mathdude wasn't poised at E-1. I think faust had a decent point.
Note: If EFHW's scum then #806 was a bus putting Dylan up to be the leading early-D3 wagon. However, EFHW then uses Dylan's post to say she's now townreading Dylan and scumreading faust. If they're a scum pairing then it's quite nice playing on EFHW's part because she's actively responding to content posted by faust in D3, quite possibly with no cooperation from Dylan if she was indeed the traitor.
#813 Says the risk of quickhammers seemed low in general, which implies that he actually considered it at the time, which just feels like a bit too much detail to give retrospectively.
#814: "I was thinking EFHW might be scum, but I'm not sure if scum!EFHW would have unvoted me right there like that." -- honestly with a decent scum-suspicion on the Dylan-EFHW pairing, this sounds like well-placed distancing, since of course scum!EFHW would want to make exactly the performance she made of unvoting Dylan for townreading him.
#848 another catching-up post. Oddly many mentions of EFHW, who at this point may still be an unrecruited traitor. Even if my traitor theory is off the mark, they could still both have been scum from the start, just with EFHW putting down particular weird votes with respect to mcmc.
#889 puts faust to E-1, which is something scum would want to do on a wagon that is being run up by town.
Day 4
#960 Comes back briefly about having been on vacation. It's true he said in-thread that he was making travel plans, but also I think it was quite easy to miss.
#961-#969 stream of catching-up posts. Picks up on my note about Didds being the only other off-Mathdude person left, with relation to whether scum really thought Mathdude was the traitor. Does a Didds re-read. I'll leave D6's alive townies to think through the wifom implications of that, given that I think I support Dylan as the D5 exile.
#985 Jumps onto the no-Exile wagon, which I think is clearly a bonus for scum.
Also #985, makes a possible scumslip in "but then I remembered that the traitor wasn't recruited N0".
#986 Immediately corrects the possible scumslip, with a plausible-sounding cover story, but it's still out there, and I think we really should consider that Dylan-EFHW is a decent possibility.
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