Here are almost all of scola's. Stops partway through Day 3.
Scolapasta
63 D1, my favorite. Though I really do like this theme.
64 How do you get two or three? 8 town points, so it'd be at least 3, no?
73 I like this approach - I mean even if not helpful, I don't see how it can hurt.
91 How so? It would just be speculating about the roles, not who has them.
100 I still don't see the harm, but in case I'm missing something, I'll just enumerate the point combinations (people can just replace the points with roles fairly easily on their own anyway):
121 Ha! This is great. And reflects my general feels on D1. I'm on board for a different approach. (sadly I don't have one myself)
160 Right, I think there's value added in both. I also don't think my enumeration was rocket science, but was useful enough for me to start wrapping my head and what kinds of combinations we might have.
161 Those who have played with popsofctown before, is this their usual style of play? (it's fairly different from the rest of y'all so just trying to calibrate my radar).
163 My heart desires a lot of things... reading through a bunch of old games on my vacation day is not exactly one of them... ;)
I will say your posts do seem in character for you from other non mafia posts I've read, so there's that, which feels towny.
I am trying to hone in on some non RVS D1 vote, but while I have some ideas, it's still at my usual elusive D1 distance...
187 Honestly, it's a small thing, but as I've never played with you, I'm trying to just find something to get any kind of bearing. Are you saying it's wrong?
I hear everyone on D1 - clearly it's something I need to get better at. Not sure it's going to happen this game, though.
188 I'll bite. Why are you voting for Galz?
201 Man, you're hurting my head... so the reasons I would give you some town cred are really reasons I should think you're scum. Which why would you say that, if you were scum.
I don't know, I'm leaving this thread for a little and going to join in with joth.
Vote: galz
222 You know what, I'm switching my vote:
Vote: popsofctown
She went from indignation at setup talk, without really offering an alternative - except general discussion of D1 importance. And now hearthstone (?). Add in that the weird WIFOM back and forth with me...
Meanwhile I'll still keep my eyes on Galz' lurking / aggressiveness (though of course, it feels like this will suffer from the Observer Effect).
269 Re: off topic posts
By themselves, agreed they are anti-town and not scummy.
But the context of my vote was more than that - if there were both off topic and on topic, sure, but what's the point of just off topic? whether purposeful or not, it is distracting. And it makes later days harder because going back to reread is more of a chore.
Seems like a good smoke screen to hide behind. i.e.
Step 1. do anti-town things.
Step 2. Declare it's not scummy, just anti-town.
Step 3. Repeat step 1.
Add in no actual helpful topics?
(and I agree, there is room for friendly fluffiness, because we're all in effective quarantine (I hope) and it's nice to have some chatter, but this Hearthstone talk (know I at least know the reference) ain't that.)
tldr: just because anti-town isn't always scummy doesn't mean anti-town is always not scummy
325 So while I much on some popcorn and watch this Galz - Robz whatever it is...
Y'all have convinced me to retract my pops vote.
Unvote
It seems logical that scum would not actually fluff post without some other plan as it is so clearly anti-town that it's too easy a target (note to future scumapasta, remember to fluff post someday!). And pops has posted some actually content since.
The above is also ironic, because I am about to fluff post. But just one and only because I feel it is inclusive and well, sharing is caring:
Today was my birthday (observed). A friend came down for a socially distanced outdoor lunch, then tennis, then socially distanced (and masked) Opening Day watching, and lastly socially distanced outdoor dinner*, with two other friends. It was so nice to see friends in 3D!
* for joth and other Boston people: Blue Ribbon, yum!
359 Thanks for the birthday wishes - to be clear, yesterday was the "observed" version, like when you get July 5th off, if the 4th falls on a Sunday.
For some actual content, trying to figure out a vote... I do see merit in Mix's and Didds' lists. I'm also wondering if one of Galz or Robb could be though these kinds of back and forth often tend to end up town v town. Doesn't make them any less fun to watch).
I also consider anyone who didn't send me birthday wishes scummy.
407 Why are you so sure of those three? I'm still wary of pops and the whole fluff posting, but she has added some actual content more recently.
I think I agree on:
Vote: chairs
414 As y'all know I still have my eye on Isis - i.e. reading her posts as if it were scum!isis. This one fits that bill - if she sees that partner chairs is going to exiled, it gets her some town cred, and if he's not, it's already laying a framework to suspect MiX.
it is something town!isis would do as well, though, but wouldn't there then be a vote for chairs here? I could go back to voting here.
419 M128 was multiball, though, so that's already different enough.
489 Except he doesn't need you specifically to have that reaction - just anyone who was voting for him.
497 I don't get this - you think chairs is scum, you'd 100% rather get scum, but when you had the chance to hammer you didn't.
505 I generally understand the desire to scumhunt, in this case it just seems a bit sketchy - we're already nearing end of day (tomorrow at noon?).
Also MiX saying "I'm usually too scared to hammer" just sounds wrong. That's not the image of MiX I have.
514 I mean, maybe? Everything you always post is with such confidence (as exhibited by joth's quote wall), to then hear a timid "I'm usually too scared to hammer".
515 Man, now I'm torn - I was about to switch my vote to MiX, and now the chairs vote has quickly grown again.
I still like chairs for scum. so leaving my vote. Let's see if we can get this done.
516 Also, I completely side with joth on the "that's what'll do then". It's NAI.
543 This seems designed to get a reaction. I gotta say, I'm not sure what to make of Isis's play. At least it's different.
546 I still don't buy that Mix was afraid to hammer one of his scum reads.
Vote: MiX
should be X-1
582 I agree, but I'm willing to give her a pass, as she seems to be in my "struggles with D1" boat.
585 I don't know, maybe? I know I won't actually do it, but I need to go back and look at games I've played in the past with him. I feel like this is the first time I've seen a "waver" of confidence like this. I mean, maybe his hammering has never come up? I'm fairly certain I've seen more than one "intent to hammer" posts from him.
Another thing is that, especially in D1 he usually jumps votes around a decent amount. I *did* do a quick search in this gamer and he voted early RVS for isis (back when she was pops), then switcged once to joth. And that was it, until this non chairs hammer happened.
I'm really not sure how to interpret that.
586 Who is Chris? (chairs?) Too late this game, but next game I think I may try to figure out a different D1 approach. Well, unless I'm scum, and then I'll have to figure that out.
641 fyi, catching up on over night posts - have a work meeting 11-12, but hopefully it'll end on time and I can contribute some before DL. (in the meanwhile, I'm still OK with my MiX vote, if for some reason I can't)
668 Here now, meeting ran a little long, worried I won't have much time to catch up.
So MiX has claimed VT. Hmmm... I get the reasons to doubt, but here's where WIFOM always gets to me; i.e.
• scum would claim a role here
• so VT claim means not scum
• so VT claim is good claim for scum...
etc.
I just didn't get a sense of joth being scum, frankly. If these are the two wagons, I still prefer MiX for un-MiX like play.
671 I could still go back to chairs. But not sure that happens in 20 minutes. Didds, why do you think MiX is town?
673 Problem here is CC isn't rock solid, since there can be clone heroes.
713 Vote: joth
717 Unlike MiX, I'll go ahead and hammer. Let's not do this end of day crap again, ok?
720 Wow, I did not realize that! Add another to my f.ds mafia firsts...
723 Yeah, if I mis-hammered, I owe you a beer in the After Times.
DAY 2
735 Man, from the excitement of the last minute (second!) hammer to finding out Joth was town. Sorry all. Please, let's not do that again.
I'll likely going back to voting one of MiX or chairs. But want to review that end of day 1 for any shenanigans first.
745 You'd understand if you weren't afraid to hammer. :)
Still scumreading MiX and/or chairs, but not so strongly that I don't want to reread and get a better feel on others.
751 See, this is more like the MiX I'm used to. SO why was D1 MiX so different?
(that said, I'm curious about your Robz hypothesis, will add him to my reread list for sure)
772 Why chairs instead of you, though? I mean I guess if you're partners, it doesn't really matter. But I think it's also possible it's just one of you.
My D1 scum reads (at different times) were chairs, MiX, and Isis.
MiX is starting to feel more like what I'm used to from town!MiX*. Isis has started added real content, so that's good. Chairs hasn't posted much (any?) since they were X-1. Not sure how to interpret that.
* I'm always wary of this though, especially with MiX. I mean scum!Mix wants to play like town!Mix, no?
Will *try* to find some time to do a reread of D1 for Robz and anything else that jumps out this weekend. (and this is where I'll grumble at Isis for all the fluff posts!)
854 I think I actually agree. My main MiX argument was the unwillingness to hammer. My gut said it was un-MiX like, but the more I think about it, I don't actually recall him wanting to hammer. (one of my early games was MiX vs Ash accusing each other of being the last scum; ash is someone who loved to hammer and I may have mixed them up).
I'm not a big fan if exiling lurkers, as I am sometimes that, as well. Though I would like to hear from them.
I think I'll join the
vote: Robz
crowd as the anti lurker who does seem to be trying to control the narrative.
866 She's on my list, but I prefer Robz or chairs.
879 Yeah, daychat for scum is interesting.
Normally, I'd say lurking is not the best reason to exile, as I tend to get into "lurking periods" and the one time I did exile a lurker vs not (it was a 3 person Lylo), I was wrong. But, I do agree that the daychat dynamic changes thing some.
Which, WIFOM, but makes me wonder if Dylan bringing it up is an attempt to appear towny.
954 Bad math feels like it should be scummy. Makes me want to vote for chairs.
But I don't think it is actually scummy. Since it's easy to be shown wrong, not actually lead anywhere.
On another note, sorry I haven't been around much the past few days, though I have not lurked like others for the entirety of the game. A tree fell on my car, so been dealing with that / generally unhappy about it. Good news is it looks like it is covered; bad news will take 2.5 weeks (!)
Vote: Dylan
Have a work meeting now, so will add more after, but wanted to get it out there, see what others think.
960 ;D Yeah, the write more later meant I would explain my vote.
961 OK, so my Dylan vote:
I'll admit it's not super strong, but I feel like I have two choices:
MiX / chairs: Like I've said, I'm now leaning more town for Mix, based on D2. I'm. not sure they'll ever be a game where I fully believe anything, but that's where I am for now this game. Similar with chairs, though more null, I guess. I think the bad math was not scummy.
Other: I don't love the galz wagon. I am still fine with Robz vote, but that doesn't seem to be getting any traction. So thought I'd throw out someone new. It comes from the discussion about scum daychat earlier - I believe it was Dylan that started suspecting lurkers, then in a later post, had something about me specifically - "I didn't even realize he was in this game". And that just seemed off. While I haven't posted much in the past few days (I'll add an image of my poor car at the end of this), I don't fit in the lurker bucket.
973 I just looked at the count - we have two people at 3 votes and a bunch of 1's and not a lot of posting.
I still don't like the idea of exiling lurkers just for lurking, but I don't know anymore. Seems like it'd be a good move for scum right now to do that, since nothing's really happening.
Between the two wagons, if I need to move, still prefer chairs to galz. Anyone willing to help me understand the case on galz? Anyone interested in joining me on Dylan?
979 I am definitely gun shy about another last minute (second!) exile. So time to hop on a wagon...
Vote: chairs
(X-1)
982 unvote
983 OK, got the unvote out of the way, now time to think things through...
[984 MiX votes scola]
991 Not really sure where this is coming from.
Anyway, three cases to consider:
1. Chairs is Ironman - possible (even likely?)
2. Chairs is scum and claiming to save self - possible
3. Chairs is town, but claiming false role - seems quite unlikely.
Not sure how to decide between 1 and 2. We don't have the usefulness of counter claims, since we can have duplicates. We just have total # - if true, we've know seen 4 of our 8 points, leaving 4 more. i.e. no way to definitively disprove - yet.
1014 I've kept going back and forth on MiX, but I'm back on the MiX is scum side of things.
Vote: MiX
Reasons: Mix was so confident about 3 targets, but didn't hammer. Turns out all three are town* (if we believe chairs' claim). This just work too well into scum!mix trying to pass off as town!mix.
* while the earlier math had some issues, the high percentage that 1/3 randomly would be scum was valid, unless the 3 were purposefully chosen.
I mean, this is perfect cover.
1017 It's this kind of statement ^^ "I didn't hammer the PR" that worries me. Of course town wouldn't choose to hammer a PR. But we didn't know that at the time, so phrasing like this just feels so "leading the witness". EOD1 chairs was a decent case (which you supported) and if anything, a VT because they didn't claim when they had the chance.
In fact, thinking about it, that would be a perfect (and more plausible than "I'm afraid to hammer one of my top three suspects) reason for scum!Mix not to hammer there, no? Wouldn't scum rather hammer a PR than a VT?
Re: deadline - I should be around later tonight.
1024 Ok, sigh, you're making me go look at the tapes:
You posted at (forum times):
14:26, 14:39, 14:45, 14:49, 15:17, 15:29
chairs posts at 16:05
Robz unvotes at 16:33
So, yeah, you could've easily have gone to bed...
EXCEPT, you then posted again at 16:58, 17:01, 17:03, 17:05, 17:08, you get the picture.
It's as if you chose to conveniently be away when you could've hammered.
Look, I'm not saying this is a slam dunk, but it's a better vote than what else is out there.
1030 Looking at what people don't do or say is as important (and sometimes more important as what they do. It's possible you had things to do, of course, we do play asynchronously. But can you admit it's a convenient time for you to have been away?
So it's do as I say, not as I do?
1037 So, trying to reread some to see if I like anyone as much as MiX and I noticed this possible scumslip.
Do we really believe chairs claim? I mean, I thought I did, but this makes me wonder.
1043 Only scum knows our exact PRs. There could well be 2 (up to 4, 3, if chairs is actually Iron Man) Groot*.
* I feel like the plural of Groot should still be Groot.
It's weak, but it pinged my radar.
1046 Yeah, I said it was weak. :)
I just thought it'd be worth pointing it out to those who have played more with chairs and know if they are the kind of person who carefully examines the setup (I mean, I consider myself one of those, and I even then, I missed the day chat aspect until Dylan pointed it out, so I get it).
1065 OK, fine. I'm in. Vote: Robz
1070 I was X-1, this was the hammer. So do you think Robz? was lying with his claim? Or did you just exile our Rolestopper???
1074 SW also stops the other villains too, no? Well, anyway, I hope you're right; if not having her still in the game could've still been useful.
1077 True. I'm also reading Robz lack of posting post hammer as a good sign (since I'd at least expect a N1 report on who he role stopped, otherwise).
DAY 3
1093 First off, Nice shot chairs! Now let's get this done!
Every game, I'm inclined to vote MiX, I'm sure I'm not the only one. I'm not sure that's where my vote is any more today.
MiX has been so off this game, we could ask him for his towniest read and then exile that person! :P
I can see the reasoning behind:
Vote: EFHW
1095 Not sure I agree with the logic that last PR is Scarlet Witch, could also be Antman. Why would Robz specific claim matter here?
1099 Right, this is what I was thinking. Well, sort of, I mean I think either could CC if that's what Robz was going for. (at this point the multiples argument is no longer relevant, I think)
All said, I agree no reason for PR to claim right now, regardless of what they are.
1102 Has been lurking and not very involved; wasn't on Robz wagon.
1106 Was she?? I have in my notes that she was on Galz. Let me go check.
(what do you mean by non-alignment confirmed?)
1108 OK, yeah, of course. Clearly, I knew that at some point, since she was just before my X-1 vote. It just didn't get into my notes. My bad.
OK, then:
Vote: MiX
1112 Honestly, part of it is stubbornness. The other part is (and I hesitate to say) respect.
I wanted to exile you D1, it did not happen. I had 2nd thoughts, but then was convinced to exile you D2, again did not happen. Again second (third?) thoughts. Maybe you are town, but you are a good enough player to play a super town game, with "bad" reads and be scum.
It definitely could be wrong. But I'm really not sure where else to go right now. And if it is wrong, at least you're not the potential IC.
I'm willing to consider others, faust among them. But don't have what I feel is as compelling a case on anyone else.
1117 We're back to RVS, then?
1118 Making sure I follow the rules about currently running games: in all past game that have ended, I have not yet been scum. :)
1125 This is similar to what I was trying to say above (where Dylan decided calling me out as novice scum).
1142 Ha! That would be pretty ironic if that were how it had gone. Sadly, I have to inform you that it's not. I went back and looked at the times of posts:
I voted X-1 at 11:49:15
Robz claimed at 11:49:26 (11 seconds!)
Robz posted again at 11:50:02
Dylan posted at 11:50:48
Dylan hammer at 11:51:14
So either scumapasta and Robz coordinated this in daychat, had Robz claim seconds later, but then waited 2 minutes to do anything about it (i.e. why didn't Robz direct scumapasta to immediately unvote?)
OR
Robz was watching closely, waiting for someone to X-1, claimed, and was thinking I would unvote, based on the fact that I had also previously unvoted after chairs claimed.
1143 Um, I can go back and look at the vote counts if you need me to, but my memory of most of these cases is I was an early voter on what eventually became wagons. (Notable exceptions I remember are near DL votes of joth (hammer) and Robz (X-1). And X-1 vs chairs, which I backed off of, as soon as he claimed).
Also, no idea what this means: There is one snapshot where scola unvoted before hammering Robz, as neither hammered Robz (which you should know) nor unvoted around then.