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[Swowl]

Ok, thanks. Sorry for the rant.

its cool. I am moderately DAMA, sorry if it came off too harsh.

[scolapasta]

example. they have day chat right.
We are assuming that whichever one was the role cop, copped Isis Night 1.

Then mix just tunnels the balls out of Isis all day? Alone?

I mean I would assume they would just stay away from it all together to then kill them at night and avoid the potential X-1 claim... but like... why would he stick on them?

I don't think this is a good example.

Once D3 started (with Isis the N2 NK), it seemed clear that scum had role copped her. (even if we hadn't known the chairs reveal, I think we would've at least suspected they knew her role, rather than just get wicked lucky).

So having one scum tunnel Isis actually makes sense (*especially* with daychat to coordinate). If you look back at the vote count, you'll see she never got more than 1 vote. i.e. MiX could've always switched gears and left if /when the wagon built up. And MiX is the perfect one of the three to play this role, since his D1 "reads" were so bad, so who's going to follow him (and in fact, no one did).

k fair point! excepppppttt Robz got lynched. What is the point of coordinated day chat and having Mix off if they never go and like... get on a counter wagon?

So you made me go and look in more detail at the Vote Counts (which, I'm using post #1236, so EFHW, thank you!).

There were already wagons early on, Galz and chairs, one pushed by Robz, one by space. Robz was never really even in trouble* until near DL (11pm FT) when Galz, you, EFHW, and I all voted in relatively quick succession.

* a couple of times Robz gets to 3 votes, but it drops back to 2 within 13 posts each time...


Amusingly, galz even tried to get MiX to join the wagon right after his vote:

MiX, move your vote to Robz. It’s a much better exile than Swowl.

ppe 4

[EFHW]

EFHW - If we were to lynch mix, and then let's say they flip town, then they obviously kill me. who do you look at tomorrow?

No idea. I'm reading all the others as towny.

[Swowl]

example. they have day chat right.
We are assuming that whichever one was the role cop, copped Isis Night 1.

Then mix just tunnels the balls out of Isis all day? Alone?

I mean I would assume they would just stay away from it all together to then kill them at night and avoid the potential X-1 claim... but like... why would he stick on them?

I don't think this is a good example.

Once D3 started (with Isis the N2 NK), it seemed clear that scum had role copped her. (even if we hadn't known the chairs reveal, I think we would've at least suspected they knew her role, rather than just get wicked lucky).

So having one scum tunnel Isis actually makes sense (*especially* with daychat to coordinate). If you look back at the vote count, you'll see she never got more than 1 vote. i.e. MiX could've always switched gears and left if /when the wagon built up. And MiX is the perfect one of the three to play this role, since his D1 "reads" were so bad, so who's going to follow him (and in fact, no one did).

k fair point! excepppppttt Robz got lynched. What is the point of coordinated day chat and having Mix off if they never go and like... get on a counter wagon?

So you made me go and look in more detail at the Vote Counts (which, I'm using post #1236, so EFHW, thank you!).

There were already wagons early on, Galz and chairs, one pushed by Robz, one by space. Robz was never really even in trouble* until near DL (11pm FT) when Galz, you, EFHW, and I all voted in relatively quick succession.

* a couple of times Robz gets to 3 votes, but it drops back to 2 within 13 posts each time...


Amusingly, galz even tried to get MiX to join the wagon right after his vote:

MiX, move your vote to Robz. It’s a much better exile than Swowl.

ppe 4

Why is that amazing?

[Swowl]

EFHW - If we were to lynch mix, and then let's say they flip town, then they obviously kill me. who do you look at tomorrow?

No idea. I'm reading all the others as towny.

k. no offense meant - but that is what I am talking about.

Color Mix and Me green. go and check plz - who do you think is skum?

[EFHW]

It's too late to do that now. I'll look at it tomorrow.  I don't expect to come up with much of a different answer, though. And if MiX is scum, that makes a lot of sense.  Therefore my vote on him. But I'll check out the vca with added green tomorrow.

[faust]

example. they have day chat right.
We are assuming that whichever one was the role cop, copped Isis Night 1.

I'm definitely not assuming that.

[MiX]

I'm back.

Galz you can hammer me now.

Swowl, you're done reading today, right?

It's too late to do that now. I'll look at it tomorrow.  I don't expect to come up with much of a different answer, though. And if MiX is scum, that makes a lot of sense.  Therefore my vote on him. But I'll check out the vca with added green tomorrow.

I guess it would help to get this answer, but why isn't everyone assuming I'm green and finding their top scumread? That's what's going to happen tomorrow, might as well get it started earlier. Or town wins, sure, but covering the worst case scenario's the whole point.

[scolapasta]

On the one hand, why bother? It seems like others are all in the same, or similar boat, I am, thinking you're scum and trying to find scum amongst remaining town seems forced.

But devil's advocate - what if we're wrong? well, then it seems like revealing our thoughts for tomorrow would only help scum* figure out who they should NK. Unless, talking about it makes us change our mind for today. Which I don't think is going to happen.

* once again, if it weren't for Swowl effectively being an IC, I would have found the question itself scummy.

[Galzria]

Faust, Scola, EFHW:

At least two of you are Town. Are each of you certain this is the exile you want for today?

[mail-mi]

Vote Count 4.3

scolapasta (1): Galzria
MiX (3): faust, scolapasta, EFHW {X-1}
EFHW (2): MiX, Swowl
 
Not Voting (0):

With 6 alive it takes 4 to exile.

Day 4 ends at 12:00AM FT on Saturday, August 22nd.

[Swowl]

example. they have day chat right.
We are assuming that whichever one was the role cop, copped Isis Night 1.

I'm definitely not assuming that.

were you not the one that originally brought that idea up?

[EFHW]

On the one hand, why bother? It seems like others are all in the same, or similar boat, I am, thinking you're scum and trying to find scum amongst remaining town seems forced.

But devil's advocate - what if we're wrong? well, then it seems like revealing our thoughts for tomorrow would only help scum* figure out who they should NK. Unless, talking about it makes us change our mind for today. Which I don't think is going to happen.

* once again, if it weren't for Swowl effectively being an IC, I would have found the question itself scummy.

Agree with all of this. Also want to see if Swowl does die tonight.

Galzria's question has a scummy feel to it, like he doesn't want the responsibility of hammering.  We have to each make our own decisions.  The presence of our votes gives you the info you need.

[MiX]

Whoever wants to continue this day raise your hand, or I'll hammer before Galzria gets the chance to.

I feel like town's just getting incredibly lazy thinking they caught me, so we might be at a point where it's best to keep the game going with my flip and kickstart town back to solving than keeping the atrophy which only helps scum in XiLo.

I wish I was alive in XiLo so I could vote incorrectly and go down as the worst town to ever town, but I guess that's not happening.

[Galzria]

vote: EFHW

[MiX]

MiX (3): faust, scolapasta, EFHW
EFHW (3): MiX, Swowl, Galzria

Where's scum? What has scum been doing today?

I have no idea, which is why I'm asking.

[MiX]

mail-mi's keep copying the vote count from Day 2.

I see you, sir mail-mi. Lazy. I love it.

Scum-to-IC: EFHW, scola, faust, Galzria, Swowl.

This changes if Swowl lives to XiLo, which would be epic.

Everyone I've cased is town, so chances are scum's EFHW/scola/Swowl.

My posts are useless but I feel like making them anyway.

[EFHW]

EFHW - If we were to lynch mix, and then let's say they flip town, then they obviously kill me. who do you look at tomorrow?

No idea. I'm reading all the others as towny.

k. no offense meant - but that is what I am talking about.

Color Mix and Me green. go and check plz - who do you think is skum?

Have you made a case for anyone being scum other than MiX? Why am I supposed to look at the hypothetical vca? What did you see when you looked at it?

Oh, I see, you are on me. Do you have as strong a case on me as we have on MiX? The case on MiX is not perfect, but it has many separate elements.

Misexiling me isn't the end of the world. But then someone will still have to decide what to do about MiX. Who will you exile tomorrow if you misexile me today?

[EFHW]

If MiX is town, I would likely suspect scola or faust. Unless one of you is doing a great white knight performance. Scum can't just hammer for the win, so chances are they are already on town!MiX. If they got caught off-wagon, their best option would be to pursue a different option and take the towncred if MiX is mixiled.

Look, I get it. He feels super towny. That's what mafia do, though. I've been fooled before!

I've already decided all of you are towny. So I have to go with where the strongest case is, and that is definitely on MiX.

If MiX is town, then someone is doing a great performance. Who would that be?

[EFHW]

Whoever wants to continue this day raise your hand, or I'll hammer before Galzria gets the chance to.

I feel like town's just getting incredibly lazy thinking they caught me, so we might be at a point where it's best to keep the game going with my flip and kickstart town back to solving than keeping the atrophy which only helps scum in XiLo.

I wish I was alive in XiLo so I could vote incorrectly and go down as the worst town to ever town, but I guess that's not happening.

If you are town, do NOT self-hammer. So long as we are talking anything can happen.

[MiX]

Whoever wants to continue this day raise your hand, or I'll hammer before Galzria gets the chance to.

I feel like town's just getting incredibly lazy thinking they caught me, so we might be at a point where it's best to keep the game going with my flip and kickstart town back to solving than keeping the atrophy which only helps scum in XiLo.

I wish I was alive in XiLo so I could vote incorrectly and go down as the worst town to ever town, but I guess that's not happening.

If you are town, do NOT self-hammer. So long as we are talking anything can happen.

If I'm town, who do you think has better odds in XiLo, you or me? We won't be NK'd, so thinking about this matters.

[EFHW]

Odds of being misexiled or odds of figuring out the right person to exile?

[MiX]

Odds of being misexiled or odds of figuring out the right person to exile?

Odds of winning the game.

You're scum.

[EFHW]

One counter-indication of scum!MiX:

494 Robz v. MiX (4, with Dylan, faust and joth).

I did notice this before. Getting on partner!MiX's wagon is a bit risky, unless Robz really believed he is unexilable.

[MiX]

One counter-indication of scum!MiX:

494 Robz v. MiX (4, with Dylan, faust and joth).

I did notice this before. Getting on partner!MiX's wagon is a bit risky, unless Robz really believed he is unexilable.

I've told every partner I've had to bus me early, as I can't mimic the wagon I get as town when I'm scum.