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Re: BM30: MacGuffin Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #800 on: May 01, 2020, 08:13:49 pm »

I wonder if there is two of every role, but only enough stuff for one person to use it.
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Re: BM30: MacGuffin Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #801 on: May 01, 2020, 08:37:16 pm »

I received an item, but I wasn't told who from
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Re: BM30: MacGuffin Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #802 on: May 01, 2020, 08:39:43 pm »

I wonder if there is two of every role, but only enough stuff for one person to use it.

Based on the wording of my role, I can (mostly, unless Glooble is trolling me) confirm that I’m not the only one of my role in the game (it’s possible there are more than 2 - but a specific phrasing suggests exactly 2). Hence my belief that Mail-Mi/Skip doesn’t necessarily equal 1v1 - however, I very much believe that my “counter” player/power is scum.
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Re: BM30: MacGuffin Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #803 on: May 01, 2020, 08:40:58 pm »

I wonder if there is two of every role, but only enough stuff for one person to use it.

Based on the wording of my role, I can (mostly, unless Glooble is trolling me) confirm that I’m not the only one of my role in the game (it’s possible there are more than 2 - but a specific phrasing suggests exactly 2). Hence my belief that Mail-Mi/Skip doesn’t necessarily equal 1v1 - however, I very much believe that my “counter” player/power is scum.

I believe this is correct based on everything I know.

And obviously scum stole Didds' thing, but I think that was obvious.
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Re: BM30: MacGuffin Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #804 on: May 01, 2020, 09:31:37 pm »

I wonder if there is two of every role, but only enough stuff for one person to use it.

Based on the wording of my role, I can (mostly, unless Glooble is trolling me) confirm that I’m not the only one of my role in the game (it’s possible there are more than 2 - but a specific phrasing suggests exactly 2). Hence my belief that Mail-Mi/Skip doesn’t necessarily equal 1v1 - however, I very much believe that my “counter” player/power is scum.

Interesting. I had no idea that I had a matching role. I mean, if that's more common, it would make it way too easy to just say "lynch one of the 1v1s" and find all the scum that way. So skip being a counterpart in no way means he's scum.
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Re: BM30: MacGuffin Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #805 on: May 01, 2020, 10:28:26 pm »

Joseph, did you receive part of a useful item last night?
I received an item yes
What makes you think that it would be useful to me?

I don't want to say too much yet, but given what you said you wanted, I was thinking what I had was a part of it.  I was going to say that if it was useful, anybody else who has a similar part should probably give it to you.  But if it's not, then it doesn't matter.
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Re: BM30: MacGuffin Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #806 on: May 01, 2020, 10:29:52 pm »

I am leaning more town vs town on skip vs mail-mi, but I could still see one of them being scum (from a design standpoint).  I am even less on the "two people with the same role must be a 1v1" train now that it looks like it's more common.
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Re: BM30: MacGuffin Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #807 on: May 01, 2020, 10:30:37 pm »

I wonder if there is two of every role, but only enough stuff for one person to use it.

Based on the wording of my role, I can (mostly, unless Glooble is trolling me) confirm that I’m not the only one of my role in the game (it’s possible there are more than 2 - but a specific phrasing suggests exactly 2). Hence my belief that Mail-Mi/Skip doesn’t necessarily equal 1v1 - however, I very much believe that my “counter” player/power is scum.

Why didn't you say this yesterday?  It might have been helpful.
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Re: BM30: MacGuffin Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #808 on: May 01, 2020, 10:38:08 pm »

I wonder if there is two of every role, but only enough stuff for one person to use it.

Based on the wording of my role, I can (mostly, unless Glooble is trolling me) confirm that I’m not the only one of my role in the game (it’s possible there are more than 2 - but a specific phrasing suggests exactly 2). Hence my belief that Mail-Mi/Skip doesn’t necessarily equal 1v1 - however, I very much believe that my “counter” player/power is scum.

Why didn't you say this yesterday?  It might have been helpful.

I think the reason is pretty obvious - and it’s not as if I didn’t argue hard for the conclusion of this knowledge.
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Re: BM30: MacGuffin Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #809 on: May 01, 2020, 10:39:39 pm »

I wonder if there is two of every role, but only enough stuff for one person to use it.

Based on the wording of my role, I can (mostly, unless Glooble is trolling me) confirm that I’m not the only one of my role in the game (it’s possible there are more than 2 - but a specific phrasing suggests exactly 2). Hence my belief that Mail-Mi/Skip doesn’t necessarily equal 1v1 - however, I very much believe that my “counter” player/power is scum.

Interesting. I had no idea that I had a matching role. I mean, if that's more common, it would make it way too easy to just say "lynch one of the 1v1s" and find all the scum that way. So skip being a counterpart in no way means he's scum.

Definitely interesting thoughts here. I could well be wrong on the "not 2 sailors" path. And true, if there are multiple pairs, then they likely aren't all be 1v1. Unless they're both in opposite scum factions?

But clearly some things can happen without an item, since things were stolen.

Galz, can you say anything about the specific phrasing that makes he think "exactly" 2?
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Re: BM30: MacGuffin Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #810 on: May 01, 2020, 10:46:45 pm »

I wonder if there is two of every role, but only enough stuff for one person to use it.

Based on the wording of my role, I can (mostly, unless Glooble is trolling me) confirm that I’m not the only one of my role in the game (it’s possible there are more than 2 - but a specific phrasing suggests exactly 2). Hence my belief that Mail-Mi/Skip doesn’t necessarily equal 1v1 - however, I very much believe that my “counter” player/power is scum.

Interesting. I had no idea that I had a matching role. I mean, if that's more common, it would make it way too easy to just say "lynch one of the 1v1s" and find all the scum that way. So skip being a counterpart in no way means he's scum.

Definitely interesting thoughts here. I could well be wrong on the "not 2 sailors" path. And true, if there are multiple pairs, then they likely aren't all be 1v1. Unless they're both in opposite scum factions?

But clearly some things can happen without an item, since things were stolen.

Galz, can you say anything about the specific phrasing that makes he think "exactly" 2?

I started to answer this by making the meaning explicitly clear (which I’m confident I could do without violating any rules) - but I realized that in doing it would also make pretty clear to the other player with this role that I am exactly what I am - and as I’ve stated my belief that they’re scum, I’m not certain revealing that fully now is wise. I’m open to thoughts on this though.
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Re: BM30: MacGuffin Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #811 on: May 01, 2020, 10:49:29 pm »

I wonder if there is two of every role, but only enough stuff for one person to use it.

Based on the wording of my role, I can (mostly, unless Glooble is trolling me) confirm that I’m not the only one of my role in the game (it’s possible there are more than 2 - but a specific phrasing suggests exactly 2). Hence my belief that Mail-Mi/Skip doesn’t necessarily equal 1v1 - however, I very much believe that my “counter” player/power is scum.

Interesting. I had no idea that I had a matching role. I mean, if that's more common, it would make it way too easy to just say "lynch one of the 1v1s" and find all the scum that way. So skip being a counterpart in no way means he's scum.

Definitely interesting thoughts here. I could well be wrong on the "not 2 sailors" path. And true, if there are multiple pairs, then they likely aren't all be 1v1. Unless they're both in opposite scum factions?

But clearly some things can happen without an item, since things were stolen.

Galz, can you say anything about the specific phrasing that makes he think "exactly" 2?

I started to answer this by making the meaning explicitly clear (which I’m confident I could do without violating any rules) - but I realized that in doing it would also make pretty clear to the other player with this role that I am exactly what I am - and as I’ve stated my belief that they’re scum, I’m not certain revealing that fully now is wise. I’m open to thoughts on this though.

Good point.
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Re: BM30: MacGuffin Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #812 on: May 02, 2020, 12:16:00 am »

I’m getting such a strong scum vibe of Galz this game. I can not pinpoint why, but I’ve played with him a lot and he feels off. So not super inclined to trust him on this without some corroboration.
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Re: BM30: MacGuffin Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #813 on: May 02, 2020, 12:19:41 am »

I mean if Galz and 1 of Skip/mail-mi. is, this would e a good way to get us away from it? (especially since there was a though that if we prove the 1-1, we might target galz next, so that'd be two quickish scum lynches.

i.e. trying to get us to believe there are multiple paired roles could be a scum gambit.
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Re: BM30: MacGuffin Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #814 on: May 02, 2020, 12:23:57 am »

I mean if Galz and 1 of Skip/mail-mi. is, this would e a good way to get us away from it? (especially since there was a though that if we prove the 1-1, we might target galz next, so that'd be two quickish scum lynches.

i.e. trying to get us to believe there are multiple paired roles could be a scum gambit.

That could also explain why Galz wouldn't have talked about it until today.  You know what, for now I'm going to go with a Vote: Galzria.  I'll come up with more of a case tomorrow.
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Re: BM30: MacGuffin Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #815 on: May 02, 2020, 12:41:48 am »

I’m getting such a strong scum vibe of Galz this game. I can not pinpoint why, but I’ve played with him a lot and he feels off. So not super inclined to trust him on this without some corroboration.

What sort of "corroboration" are you looking for? This seems like an attempt to get town to claim things unnecessarily
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Re: BM30: MacGuffin Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #816 on: May 02, 2020, 03:18:02 am »

Joseph, did you receive part of a useful item last night?
I received an item yes
What makes you think that it would be useful to me?

I don't want to say too much yet, but given what you said you wanted, I was thinking what I had was a part of it.  I was going to say that if it was useful, anybody else who has a similar part should probably give it to you.  But if it's not, then it doesn't matter.
Okay without saying too much, yes you're correct, it was partially helpful (as I'm looking for something with multiple pieces)
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Re: BM30: MacGuffin Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #817 on: May 02, 2020, 03:18:25 am »

i.e. trying to get us to believe there are multiple paired roles could be a scum gambit.
Well, I have the same role as LaLight.
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Re: BM30: MacGuffin Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #818 on: May 02, 2020, 03:20:14 am »

Joseph, did you receive part of a useful item last night?
I received an item yes
What makes you think that it would be useful to me?

I don't want to say too much yet, but given what you said you wanted, I was thinking what I had was a part of it.  I was going to say that if it was useful, anybody else who has a similar part should probably give it to you.  But if it's not, then it doesn't matter.
Okay without saying too much, yes you're correct, it was partially helpful (as I'm looking for something with multiple pieces)
And because if this, I think sudgy is towny, because they're trying to be helpful, and scum wouldn't try to help me because I'm not scum
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Re: BM30: MacGuffin Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #819 on: May 02, 2020, 08:11:02 am »

i.e. trying to get us to believe there are multiple paired roles could be a scum gambit.
Well, I have the same role as LaLight.

Can you tell us more?
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Re: BM30: MacGuffin Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #820 on: May 02, 2020, 08:18:28 am »

i.e. trying to get us to believe there are multiple paired roles could be a scum gambit.
Well, I have the same role as LaLight.

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« Reply #821 on: May 02, 2020, 08:18:37 am »

i.e. trying to get us to believe there are multiple paired roles could be a scum gambit.
Well, I have the same role as LaLight.

Can you tell us more?
I could, but unless you give me a reason to provide more info I would prefer not to.
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Re: BM30: MacGuffin Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #822 on: May 02, 2020, 08:20:38 am »

so, unless i misread and/or forgot something, no one needs an item I have. weird
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« Reply #823 on: May 02, 2020, 08:43:59 am »

so, unless i misread and/or forgot something, no one needs an item I have. weird

You can’t use it? It seems like it would be useful to someone
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Re: BM30: MacGuffin Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #824 on: May 02, 2020, 08:46:22 am »

i.e. trying to get us to believe there are multiple paired roles could be a scum gambit.
Well, I have the same role as LaLight.

Can you tell us more?
I could, but unless you give me a reason to provide more info I would prefer not to.

No good reason. Just curious. I wonder if the item he has would be useful to you? It doesn’t make sense that it would....if you have the same role it would be useless to both of you, but I wonder if there is something important about finding our pair.
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