I'm in for anything bastard!
I’m in as long as we can wait to start for awhile (please!)
We can hold off starting for a bit if that’s what people want.I'd say just start it when it's full and people shouldn't /in when they don't have time yet. I never quite understood the purpose of that.
still watching paint dry
/in
/hammer
/in
Not voting (15): MiX, mail-mi, Galzria, shraeye, WestCoastDidds, scolapasta, LaLight, Awaclus, DatSwan, jotheonah, faust, Joseph2302, sudgy, A Drowned Kernel, Eevee
Hi everyone!
Shall we start off with flavor speculation or RVS?
Hi hi hi hi hi
I am so excited! This looks weird and fun!
Hi everyone!
Shall we start off with flavor speculation or RVS?
vote: MiX for voting Eevee. Games looks weird for me too, I think I understand WCD on this one :)
Also I know less than nothing about the flavor.
vote: MiX for voting Eevee. Games looks weird for me too, I think I understand WCD on this one :)
Also I know less than nothing about the flavor.
I agree, and can relate, with 100% of this post.
So obviously that means LaLight is town, right.
If no player has a majority of votes when the night ends, the night will end without a lynch.
Hi hi hi hi hi
I am so excited! This looks weird and fun!
Why does it look weird? From what I’ve seen there’s nothing outlandish.
Hi hi hi hi hi
I am so excited! This looks weird and fun!
Why does it look weird? From what I’ve seen there’s nothing outlandish.
I need stuff! I have stuff! I dig the whole mixed up files of Mrs. Basil Frankweiler vibe!
I need stuff! I have stuff! I dig the whole mixed up files of Mrs. Basil Frankweiler vibe!
If no player has a majority of votes when the night ends, the night will end without a lynch.
Is this intentionally worded this way? Bold for emphasis.
I need stuff! I have stuff! I dig the whole mixed up files of Mrs. Basil Frankweiler vibe!
Needing stuff AND having stuff seems OP. Probably SK. vote: Didds
skip woozum has replaced shraeye.
Hi hi hi hi hi
I am so excited! This looks weird and fun!
Why does it look weird? From what I’ve seen there’s nothing outlandish.
I need stuff! I have stuff! I dig the whole mixed up files of Mrs. Basil Frankweiler vibe!
Vote: MiX for softclaiming in a really cryptic manner
Vote: mail-mi how long has it been since we were in a game together?
Vote: MiX for softclaiming in a really cryptic manner
BM game, time to relax.
someone give me a case to sheep
Vote: MiX for softclaiming in a really cryptic manner
BM game, time to relax.
someone give me a case to sheepVote: MiX for softclaiming in a really cryptic manner
I thought I was saying yes to a speccy, but it turns out I was saying yes to subbing in.
vote: LaLight for REVENGE
That makes one of us.skip woozum has replaced shraeye.
I expected this.
Vote: MiX for softclaiming in a really cryptic manner
Vote: MiX for softclaiming in a really cryptic manner
Why would scum be more likely to do that than town?
I thought I was saying yes to a speccy, but it turns out I was saying yes to subbing in.
Hi hi hi hi hi
I am so excited! This looks weird and fun!
Why does it look weird? From what I’ve seen there’s nothing outlandish.
I need stuff! I have stuff! I dig the whole mixed up files of Mrs. Basil Frankweiler vibe!
So, Didds...maybe we're talking about the same thing, so lemme ask you something that only you can answer.
Would you rather someone else have it?
Mazel Tov!I thought I was saying yes to a speccy, but it turns out I was saying yes to subbing in.
Thanks for playing with us Skip! I think Shraeye and Raerae are supposed to have a baby this week....
Hi hi hi hi hi
I am so excited! This looks weird and fun!
Why does it look weird? From what I’ve seen there’s nothing outlandish.
I need stuff! I have stuff! I dig the whole mixed up files of Mrs. Basil Frankweiler vibe!
So, Didds...maybe we're talking about the same thing, so lemme ask you something that only you can answer.
Would you rather someone else have it?
Well, I want someone I trust to have it.
Hi hi hi hi hi
I am so excited! This looks weird and fun!
Why does it look weird? From what I’ve seen there’s nothing outlandish.
I need stuff! I have stuff! I dig the whole mixed up files of Mrs. Basil Frankweiler vibe!
So, Didds...maybe we're talking about the same thing, so lemme ask you something that only you can answer.
Would you rather someone else have it?
Well, I want someone I trust to have it.
Hi hi hi hi hi
I am so excited! This looks weird and fun!
Why does it look weird? From what I’ve seen there’s nothing outlandish.
I need stuff! I have stuff! I dig the whole mixed up files of Mrs. Basil Frankweiler vibe!
So, Didds...maybe we're talking about the same thing, so lemme ask you something that only you can answer.
Would you rather someone else have it?
Well, I want someone I trust to have it.
yo
Hi hi hi hi hi
I am so excited! This looks weird and fun!
Why does it look weird? From what I’ve seen there’s nothing outlandish.
I need stuff! I have stuff! I dig the whole mixed up files of Mrs. Basil Frankweiler vibe!
So, Didds...maybe we're talking about the same thing, so lemme ask you something that only you can answer.
Would you rather someone else have it?
Well, I want someone I trust to have it.
yo
Yo, yo. How ya now?
Do you trust yourself with it?
yo yo yo.
good enough. is little rae/shraeye really like already here-ish? that seemed fast
Hi hi hi hi hi
I am so excited! This looks weird and fun!
Why does it look weird? From what I’ve seen there’s nothing outlandish.
I need stuff! I have stuff! I dig the whole mixed up files of Mrs. Basil Frankweiler vibe!
So, Didds...maybe we're talking about the same thing, so lemme ask you something that only you can answer.
Would you rather someone else have it?
Well, I want someone I trust to have it.
yo
I'm the SK
Didds, how much of the information you’ve presented do you feel that you would have dons without MiX prompting you to do so?
Didds, how much of the information you’ve presented do you feel that you would have dons without MiX prompting you to do so?
I wouldn’t have considered the question of trusting myself sans MiX. Other than that, I’d probably have done it myself. It seems like the point of the game. We have stuff, and we need stuff, individually and collectively.
How do I find the right person to give my stuff to, and convince someone who has something useless to them that it would be better off with me? Is there any way to make the swap-o-Rama better for town and worse for the baddies?
Didds, how much of the information you’ve presented do you feel that you would have dons without MiX prompting you to do so?
I wouldn’t have considered the question of trusting myself sans MiX. Other than that, I’d probably have done it myself. It seems like the point of the game. We have stuff, and we need stuff, individually and collectively.
How do I find the right person to give my stuff to, and convince someone who has something useless to them that it would be better off with me? Is there any way to make the swap-o-Rama better for town and worse for the baddies?
I do not have stuff, and I have literally no need of stuff... unless stuff has its own Value and uses - so I wouldn’t know anything about all of that.
Well, I guess technically I have “stuff”. I have money. A certain amount of money. I cannot separate the value of money that I have, so I have an exact amount of money. I didn’t really equate that to “stuff”, because it’s money and not “stuff”... but as it’s a singular entity, maybe it should be considered “stuff”.
Still, I have no need of Stuff, so I don’t really know.
Do you think MiX is scummy for prying into your Stuff?
Skip, I'm a big fan of plans. Care to share?
vote: mail-mi
Posting just before me, the cardinal sin.
Posting just before me, the cardinal sin.
Didds, how much of the information you’ve presented do you feel that you would have dons without MiX prompting you to do so?
I wouldn’t have considered the question of trusting myself sans MiX. Other than that, I’d probably have done it myself. It seems like the point of the game. We have stuff, and we need stuff, individually and collectively.
How do I find the right person to give my stuff to, and convince someone who has something useless to them that it would be better off with me? Is there any way to make the swap-o-Rama better for town and worse for the baddies?
I do not have stuff, and I have literally no need of stuff... unless stuff has its own Value and uses - so I wouldn’t know anything about all of that.
Well, I guess technically I have “stuff”. I have money. A certain amount of money. I cannot separate the value of money that I have, so I have an exact amount of money. I didn’t really equate that to “stuff”, because it’s money and not “stuff”... but as it’s a singular entity, maybe it should be considered “stuff”.
Still, I have no need of Stuff, so I don’t really know.
Do you think MiX is scummy for prying into your Stuff?
Hi hi hi hi hi
I am so excited! This looks weird and fun!
Why does it look weird? From what I’ve seen there’s nothing outlandish.
I need stuff! I have stuff! I dig the whole mixed up files of Mrs. Basil Frankweiler vibe!
So, Didds...maybe we're talking about the same thing, so lemme ask you something that only you can answer.
Would you rather someone else have it?
Well, I want someone I trust to have it.
yo
Is this a “Hey, hello! I’ve missed you so much” yo, or just raising your hand as someone I can trust who might want what I possess?
Ooohhh, money! That is definitely stuff. Not the stuff I need, though.
Didds, how much of the information you’ve presented do you feel that you would have dons without MiX prompting you to do so?
I wouldn’t have considered the question of trusting myself sans MiX. Other than that, I’d probably have done it myself. It seems like the point of the game. We have stuff, and we need stuff, individually and collectively.
How do I find the right person to give my stuff to, and convince someone who has something useless to them that it would be better off with me? Is there any way to make the swap-o-Rama better for town and worse for the baddies?
Didds, how much of the information you’ve presented do you feel that you would have dons without MiX prompting you to do so?
I wouldn’t have considered the question of trusting myself sans MiX. Other than that, I’d probably have done it myself. It seems like the point of the game. We have stuff, and we need stuff, individually and collectively.
How do I find the right person to give my stuff to, and convince someone who has something useless to them that it would be better off with me? Is there any way to make the swap-o-Rama better for town and worse for the baddies?
Didds, how much of the information you’ve presented do you feel that you would have dons without MiX prompting you to do so?
I wouldn’t have considered the question of trusting myself sans MiX. Other than that, I’d probably have done it myself. It seems like the point of the game. We have stuff, and we need stuff, individually and collectively.
How do I find the right person to give my stuff to, and convince someone who has something useless to them that it would be better off with me? Is there any way to make the swap-o-Rama better for town and worse for the baddies?
I think I'm the one that needs your stuff, but I don't know for sure. I think my question and your answers are talking about different things.
Do you know of a good question for us to figure out if we're talking about the same thing?
Skip, I'm a big fan of plans. Care to share?I'm doing that thing where someone says they have a plan, and then that makes hype for the plan, but they don't share the plan until later.
I like the plan, but scum will just do it as well for the items they need, so all this tells us is who needs and has what items, but not whether we should give them to the people or not.vote: sudgy do scum need items? I didn't know that. Maybe the plans not so good.
Vote: skipBut what do you think of the plan?
Didds, how much of the information you’ve presented do you feel that you would have dons without MiX prompting you to do so?
I wouldn’t have considered the question of trusting myself sans MiX. Other than that, I’d probably have done it myself. It seems like the point of the game. We have stuff, and we need stuff, individually and collectively.
How do I find the right person to give my stuff to, and convince someone who has something useless to them that it would be better off with me? Is there any way to make the swap-o-Rama better for town and worse for the baddies?
Is that the point of the game? What makes you think that?
Vote: skipBut what do you think of the plan?
Didds, how much of the information you’ve presented do you feel that you would have dons without MiX prompting you to do so?
I wouldn’t have considered the question of trusting myself sans MiX. Other than that, I’d probably have done it myself. It seems like the point of the game. We have stuff, and we need stuff, individually and collectively.
How do I find the right person to give my stuff to, and convince someone who has something useless to them that it would be better off with me? Is there any way to make the swap-o-Rama better for town and worse for the baddies?
Is that the point of the game? What makes you think that?
This is from the set-up post
"You’ve each ended up with someone’s luggage, but not your own. Some of you have important items you'll need to find and retrieve. Some of you will profit from helping others get what they need."
That, combined with my role QT makes me believe that it is important that folks be reunited with their stuff, and that its better for town if that happens sooner rather than later.
I don't understand the plan. It seems that all scum has to do is scan the thread for keywords if they want to know who wants what.
Can you elaborate skip?
I like the plan, but scum will just do it as well for the items they need, so all this tells us is who needs and has what items, but not whether we should give them to the people or not.vote: sudgy do scum need items? I didn't know that. Maybe the plans not so good.
I don't understand the plan. It seems that all scum has to do is scan the thread for keywords if they want to know who wants what.
Can you elaborate skip?
We don't know what the keywords are, though. As long as you can drop the keywords discreetly enough, nobody will realize you breadcrumbed.
Unless you're scum and you've been told all of the item names? Vote: MiX, probably my first semi-serious vote.
I like the plan, but scum will just do it as well for the items they need, so all this tells us is who needs and has what items, but not whether we should give them to the people or not.vote: sudgy do scum need items? I didn't know that. Maybe the plans not so good.
Why wouldn't they? Who knows, but it's not worth risking it.
I need something. Whomever has it will likely want to be sure before they give it to the right person. Whomever has it now probably can’t do anything with it. It has two words.
I also have something that I cannot use, but is valuable to whomever can.
Ok so obvious downside.
1 - you need but can’t give.
2 - you can give but don’t need.
3 - you can give and
Claiming what you need or can give is a bad idea. It is actually probably worse than actually claiming what you have to give and what you need. I don’t think that is a good idea either.
Also - as the listed VT role is about giving items and there are a tone of people with items we should probably assume that skum could have the ability to steal items, or intercept, or block or something.
I need something. Whomever has it will likely want to be sure before they give it to the right person. Whomever has it now probably can’t do anything with it. It has two words.
I also have something that I cannot use, but is valuable to whomever can.
About the second item, assuming the person that needs it is town, would you want to give them your item or them give you their item?
This is the best question I can think about without asking Glooble if it's ok.
I need something. Whomever has it will likely want to be sure before they give it to the right person. Whomever has it now probably can’t do anything with it. It has two words.
I also have something that I cannot use, but is valuable to whomever can.
About the second item, assuming the person that needs it is town, would you want to give them your item or them give you their item?
This is the best question I can think about without asking Glooble if it's ok.
Personally, I’d prefer to give it to some other townsperson
In regard to the second one, why do you think I’d rather give than receive?
Ok so obvious downside.
1 - you need but can’t give.
2 - you can give but don’t need.
3 - you can give and
Claiming what you need or can give is a bad idea. It is actually probably worse than actually claiming what you have to give and what you need. I don’t think that is a good idea either.
Also - as the listed VT role is about giving items and there are a tone of people with items we should probably assume that skum could have the ability to steal items, or intercept, or block or something.
I don't get it. If scum can block item passing, but the items don't do anything if they're not together...then scum can't actually do anything useful. Besides, this is much better than randomly giving away items, scum's going to try to steal/intercept/whatever anyway, this is a way for town to not just have fruit vendors.
In regard to the second one, why do you think I’d rather give than receive?
Because you are Didds.
I'm going off to bed now, if you want a better answer, say so.
scum's going to try to steal/intercept/whatever anyway,
scum's going to try to steal/intercept/whatever anyway,
I rest my case.
I need something. Whomever has it will likely want to be sure before they give it to the right person. Whomever has it now probably can’t do anything with it. It has two words.
I also have something that I cannot use, but is valuable to whomever can.
Feel like there's an in joke being missed hereIn regard to the second one, why do you think I’d rather give than receive?
Because you are Didds.
I'm going off to bed now, if you want a better answer, say so.
Oh, MiX. We’ve come so far together in the last year.
You could also give or receive but would prefer to receive because you’re MiX?
Claiming what we need is probably more useful to us than claiming what we have, is what I'm thinking.Agreed, but I still don't think we should do it right now
In regard to the second one, why do you think I’d rather give than receive?
Because you are Didds.
I'm going off to bed now, if you want a better answer, say so.
Oh, MiX. We’ve come so far together in the last year.
You could also give or receive but would prefer to receive because you’re MiX?
Ok so obvious downside.
1 - you need but can’t give.
2 - you can give but don’t need.
3 - you can give and
Claiming what you need or can give is a bad idea. It is actually probably worse than actually claiming what you have to give and what you need. I don’t think that is a good idea either.
Also - as the listed VT role is about giving items and there are a tone of people with items we should probably assume that skum could have the ability to steal items, or intercept, or block or something.
I don't get it. If scum can block item passing, but the items don't do anything if they're not together...then scum can't actually do anything useful. Besides, this is much better than randomly giving away items, scum's going to try to steal/intercept/whatever anyway, this is a way for town to not just have fruit vendors.
What?
Skum can block items. We claim who have items to give. We claim who needs items. Skum blocks that from happening? Idk if it’s even a thing, it is assuredly the smallest point of what i was making.
And yes it would be better to randomly give items away without knowing what item someone actually needs other than actually knowing you are giving something useful to someone.
Is it my phrasing - i don’t get your confusion on this.
I need something. Whomever has it will likely want to be sure before they give it to the right person. Whomever has it now probably can’t do anything with it. It has two words.
I also have something that I cannot use, but is valuable to whomever can.
I have it. Fits everything
I need stuff! I have stuff! I dig the whole mixed up files of Mrs. Basil Frankweiler vibe!
Needing stuff AND having stuff seems OP. Probably SK. vote: Didds
We also have to make sure we don’t break the rules about secret codes. This plan doesn’t run afoul of the no cryptography rule does it?
I need stuff! I have stuff! I dig the whole mixed up files of Mrs. Basil Frankweiler vibe!
Needing stuff AND having stuff seems OP. Probably SK. vote: Didds
Scummy vote, not town thinking, didn't get a town role.We also have to make sure we don’t break the rules about secret codes. This plan doesn’t run afoul of the no cryptography rule does it?
Trying to stop town from continuing the plan by force. Scum behavior.
Kinda weak, but good enough for an early vote.
Feel like there's an in joke being missed hereIn regard to the second one, why do you think I’d rather give than receive?
Because you are Didds.
I'm going off to bed now, if you want a better answer, say so.
Oh, MiX. We’ve come so far together in the last year.
You could also give or receive but would prefer to receive because you’re MiX?
Feel like there's an in joke being missed hereIn regard to the second one, why do you think I’d rather give than receive?
Because you are Didds.
I'm going off to bed now, if you want a better answer, say so.
Oh, MiX. We’ve come so far together in the last year.
You could also give or receive but would prefer to receive because you’re MiX?
Eh, not a joke so much as a recognition that MiX and I have come along way in our regard for one another. In our first game I let myself get sideways about something that stemmed from his aggressive play style. In many subsequent games he has (probably) been annoyed that I am as interested in talking as in playing and it took him a minute to recognize that is legit part of my personality and not scum behavior. I feel like Mix’s style has really grown over the last year, and for him to say that he’d suppose my desire to give or receive a particular item is tied to be sense of self is particularly astute.
I think that at this point, I genuinely enjoy MiX and am glad to see him in a game. I think maybe that is reciprocal.
Or actually, nobody else with items to give has to do this.Lol, an interesting theory
Everybody who needs an item can use the word in a post in the next 48 hours, and all the givers need to do is pay attention.
If you like that version better.
I need stuff! I have stuff! I dig the whole mixed up files of Mrs. Basil Frankweiler vibe!
Needing stuff AND having stuff seems OP. Probably SK. vote: Didds
Scummy vote, not town thinking, didn't get a town role.
We also have to make sure we don’t break the rules about secret codes. This plan doesn’t run afoul of the no cryptography rule does it?
Trying to stop town from continuing the plan by force. Scum behavior.
Kinda weak, but good enough for an early vote.
Hmmmm.... and Joth is definitely smart enough to know that using words of items is not cryptography
Hmmmm.... and Joth is definitely smart enough to know that using words of items is not cryptography
There’s a history on this forum of that rule being applied very broadly. Like if someone had an item that couldn’t be casually worked into a comment, they might try to indicate it with the first letter of each word in a sentence, for instance. I’m pretty sure that exact thing has been ruled cryptography in the past by mods on this forum. So I thought it was prudent to bring it up before it became a problem for the sake of the integrity of the game.
My thoughts on this game:To be fair though, it would be pretty amusing if all posts in this game read like your example.
The thought of claiming is like a pineapple with a hard shell but a soft fruit core. Like when you're building something out of stone, metal or wood
Basically I think the claim by randomly saying words idea i silly. Because people can just post rubbish like the above avll day and we will get nowhere
Ok, if there are people who need specific items, and we want to try and get them to them, then how about this for a plan: everyone posts a list of five items. If you need an item, you include in your list, alongside four things that you just make up. You don't need an item you just make up five things. If you see an item you have on someone's list, you can make a somewhat informed decision about whether or not to give it to them. Gives people some guidance on giving items while giving scum very little actual information.It's not bad. I am not sure how well we'll be able to make things up that won't stand out as made up though, scum probably has more information to determine the scope of things that are in the game. But, it's certainly way better than previous suggestions.
Thoughts?
Vote: scolapasta
Where you at, dude?
Again, and in bold this time!
Vote: scolapasta
Where you at, dude?
Again, and in bold this time!
I was out at a rBut estaurant for dinner, then a movie theater, then went to a Mets game...
oh wait no, that would be from the before times. I was just at home.
But I did have my weekly (virtual) poker night; Friday's in general you won't hear much from me, though I can still keep up reading.
Vote: scolapasta
Where you at, dude?
Again, and in bold this time!
I was out at a rBut estaurant for dinner, then a movie theater, then went to a Mets game...
oh wait no, that would be from the before times. I was just at home.
But I did have my weekly (virtual) poker night; Friday's in general you won't hear much from me, though I can still keep up reading.
Ok, if there are people who need specific items, and we want to try and get them to them, then how about this for a plan: everyone posts a list of five items. If you need an item, you include in your list, alongside four things that you just make up. You don't need an item you just make up five things. If you see an item you have on someone's list, you can make a somewhat informed decision about whether or not to give it to them. Gives people some guidance on giving items while giving scum very little actual information.
Thoughts?
• Generally in games like these, do scum get to talk N0 or not just night N1? i.e. do we think they've had any chance to coordinate anything yet?
Yes they do always, not seen an exception• Generally in games like these, do scum get to talk N0 or not just night N1? i.e. do we think they've had any chance to coordinate anything yet?
Why wouldn't they get to talk N0?
Okay I will claim
The item I have is toilet paper. Anyone need it?
It's totally cool if I play this after drinking right?
It's totally cool if I play this after drinking right?
The item I have is toilet paper.
It's totally cool if I play this after drinking right?
It’s bastard. So, pretty much required
It's totally cool if I play this after drinking right?
It's totally cool if I play this after drinking right?
all mafia is drunk mafia now....
Speaking of which, drunk ama! Made some rum sours with my girlfriend tonight. Yummy!
Speaking of which, drunk ama! Made some rum sours with my girlfriend tonight. Yummy!
Not scumOkay I will claim
The item I have is toilet paper. Anyone need it?
I don't wanna know what you gain from having it that you didn't already have...It's totally cool if I play this after drinking right?
Yes, as long as you tell us if you're scum.
Are you scum?
Vote: scolapasta
I think scola’s “huh what does scum have N0 chat?” post is a blatant grab for newbie town cred. I don’t buy that he didn’t know that, it’s like that in literally every game.
Speaking of which, drunk ama!what happened to your eevee avatar? Best avatar on the site! (Sorry cayvie, but eevee>pidgey)
Also, down for ash's plan.adk's plan.
Also, down to lynch joth.
Also, down to give scola towncred.
This is like a buy-one, get-four bargain sale! I love a sale, but I’m not down with lynching Joth until we are ready to let the night market swap-o-Rama begin.Vote: joth
Speaking of which, drunk ama!what happened to your eevee avatar? Best avatar on the site! (Sorry cayvie, but eevee>pidgey)
If joth had less votes I would vote for him, but I don't really think he's scum.I don't follow. What mistake? What's the relevance of the story?
I'm also feeling a bit more comfortable with my MiX vote. I remember in one RMM game I was in I was scum and had the power to secretly lynch someone when they were at L-1. At one point someone got to L-2 and I freaked out, saying, "What if scum has the power to lynch early? We shouldn't get people so close to being lynched!" I didn't realize it then, but I was freaking out because I was trying to act like town, but I had the information scum has. Thankfully, they didn't lynch me for it, but I don't want to repeat that mistake here.
If joth had less votes I would vote for him, but I don't really think he's scum.I don't follow. What mistake? What's the relevance of the story?
I'm also feeling a bit more comfortable with my MiX vote. I remember in one RMM game I was in I was scum and had the power to secretly lynch someone when they were at L-1. At one point someone got to L-2 and I freaked out, saying, "What if scum has the power to lynch early? We shouldn't get people so close to being lynched!" I didn't realize it then, but I was freaking out because I was trying to act like town, but I had the information scum has. Thankfully, they didn't lynch me for it, but I don't want to repeat that mistake here.
You're also doing the thing you did then.If joth had less votes I would vote for him, but I don't really think he's scum.I don't follow. What mistake? What's the relevance of the story?
I'm also feeling a bit more comfortable with my MiX vote. I remember in one RMM game I was in I was scum and had the power to secretly lynch someone when they were at L-1. At one point someone got to L-2 and I freaked out, saying, "What if scum has the power to lynch early? We shouldn't get people so close to being lynched!" I didn't realize it then, but I was freaking out because I was trying to act like town, but I had the information scum has. Thankfully, they didn't lynch me for it, but I don't want to repeat that mistake here.
The mistake of not lynching scum. The story is relevant because MiX is doing the exact same thing as I did then, as scum.
You're also doing the thing you did then.If joth had less votes I would vote for him, but I don't really think he's scum.I don't follow. What mistake? What's the relevance of the story?
I'm also feeling a bit more comfortable with my MiX vote. I remember in one RMM game I was in I was scum and had the power to secretly lynch someone when they were at L-1. At one point someone got to L-2 and I freaked out, saying, "What if scum has the power to lynch early? We shouldn't get people so close to being lynched!" I didn't realize it then, but I was freaking out because I was trying to act like town, but I had the information scum has. Thankfully, they didn't lynch me for it, but I don't want to repeat that mistake here.
The mistake of not lynching scum. The story is relevant because MiX is doing the exact same thing as I did then, as scum.
I like ADK's plan. I'll start. We're listing items we need right?Okay I'll bite
Blueberries
Rope
Camera
Glasses
Hat
You're also doing the thing you did then.
If joth had less votes I would vote for him
vote: scolaVote: scola
Hooray for competing wagons!
Why is it important to have competing wagons?
Why is it important to have competing wagons?
Why is it important to have competing wagons?
Why is it unimportant?
Wagons, wagon.... scum jumping around on wagonsNope, town reading the thing to do with mafia powers in previous games, and preferring alternate wagon to leaving joth on L2
Vote: Joseph
vote:josephSuch a OMGUS vote
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vote:josephSuch a OMGUS vote
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Scola, if you want the vote to count, put a space between the colon and the name. :)Well maybe they don't want it to count
Scola, if you want the vote to count, put a space between the colon and the name. :)Well maybe they don't want it to count
Fake votes and fake hammers are all the rage
town reading whom?Wagons, wagon.... scum jumping around on wagonsNope, town reading the thing to do with mafia powers in previous games, and preferring alternate wagon to leaving joth on L2
Vote: Joseph
Scola, if you want the vote to count, put a space between the colon and the name. :)
Yh that just isn't true, I'm not scumScola, if you want the vote to count, put a space between the colon and the name. :)Well maybe they don't want it to count
Fake votes and fake hammers are all the rage
Joth and Joseph are scum.
This game's kinda funny when you realize you're good at reading some people and they happen to get scum.
I suggest lynching joth now, unless there's some people who haven't done their version of gathering info for their PR shenanigans.
Poor phrasingtown reading whom?Wagons, wagon.... scum jumping around on wagonsNope, town reading the thing to do with mafia powers in previous games, and preferring alternate wagon to leaving joth on L2
Vote: Joseph
Poor phrasingtown reading whom?Wagons, wagon.... scum jumping around on wagonsNope, town reading the thing to do with mafia powers in previous games, and preferring alternate wagon to leaving joth on L2
Vote: Joseph
Meant I'm town, and I was reading it
Yh that just isn't true, I'm not scumScola, if you want the vote to count, put a space between the colon and the name. :)Well maybe they don't want it to count
Fake votes and fake hammers are all the rage
Joth and Joseph are scum.
This game's kinda funny when you realize you're good at reading some people and they happen to get scum.
I suggest lynching joth now, unless there's some people who haven't done their version of gathering info for their PR shenanigans.
Joth perhaps is
Poor phrasingtown reading whom?Wagons, wagon.... scum jumping around on wagonsNope, town reading the thing to do with mafia powers in previous games, and preferring alternate wagon to leaving joth on L2
Vote: Joseph
Meant I'm town, and I was reading it
What does the thing that has to do with mafia powers in previous games have to do with your vote??Yh that just isn't true, I'm not scumScola, if you want the vote to count, put a space between the colon and the name. :)Well maybe they don't want it to count
Fake votes and fake hammers are all the rage
Joth and Joseph are scum.
This game's kinda funny when you realize you're good at reading some people and they happen to get scum.
I suggest lynching joth now, unless there's some people who haven't done their version of gathering info for their PR shenanigans.
Joth perhaps is
But like, this is your scumtell. I can't just back away now!
You can also be third-party, last time I thought you were off you were third-party. But, like, meh. And I'm voting for scum so yeah.
You overestimate the games we've played together.
Also you're literally using a scumtell sudgy said existed. Literally. And I think that's scum!Joseph behavior.
Why is scola scum?
I knew I needed to get some sleep. Between the jetlag and the Russian with the gone, it already felt like I hadn't slept in a week. Some vacation this was turning out to be. But I just couldn't stop thinking about the clues I'd already found. Something just didn't add up.
With 15 alive, it takes 8 to lynch. Deadline is April 29th at noon ET.
Vote Count 1.4:
MiX (1): sudgy
jotheonah (5): MiX, faust, A Drowned Kernel, Eevee, LaLight
sudgy (1): skip wooznum
skip wooznum (1): Awaclus
Scolapasta (3): jotheonah, mail-mi, Joseph2302
Joseph2302 (2): WestCoastDidds, scolapasta
Not voting (2): Galzria, DatSwan
You overestimate the games we've played together.
Also you're literally using a scumtell sudgy said existed. Literally. And I think that's scum!Joseph behavior.
Why is scola scum?
If players were told that X was a scum tell, wouldn't scum not do X? Doesn't that, by default, make X now more a town tell?
Scola, if you want the vote to count, put a space between the colon and the name. :)Well maybe they don't want it to count
Fake votes and fake hammers are all the rage
Joth and Joseph are scum.
This game's kinda funny when you realize you're good at reading some people and they happen to get scum.
I suggest lynching joth now, unless there's some people who haven't done their version of gathering info for their PR shenanigans.
It's not because it's a scumtell, it's because Joseph did something that sudgy said it was a scumtell. For me, that's a scumtell for Joseph.Are you suggesting that Joseph did it because sudgy said it was a scumtell? That is quite the theory.
It's not because it's a scumtell, it's because Joseph did something that sudgy said it was a scumtell. For me, that's a scumtell for Joseph.Are you suggesting that Joseph did it because sudgy said it was a scumtell? That is quite the theory.
You overestimate the games we've played together.
Also you're literally using a scumtell sudgy said existed. Literally. And I think that's scum!Joseph behavior.
Why is scola scum?
If players were told that X was a scum tell, wouldn't scum not do X? Doesn't that, by default, make X now more a town tell?
Why is it important to have competing wagons?
Why is it unimportant?
Ok, I've been sitting on some information and I should probably start divulging it.
The item I need has appeared in another player's list of 5.
The way I see it, there are 3 possibilities:
A)The player in question really needs a different item on their list, and totally by chance happened to put the item I need on their list.
B)The player needs the same item I need, and is town.
C)The player needs the same item I need, and is scum.
I have personal opinions on the relative likelihood of these possibilities, but I'd first like to hear from others, especially the people who have provided lists.
Ok, I've been sitting on some information and I should probably start divulging it.
The item I need has appeared in another player's list of 5.
The way I see it, there are 3 possibilities:
A)The player in question really needs a different item on their list, and totally by chance happened to put the item I need on their list.
B)The player needs the same item I need, and is town.
C)The player needs the same item I need, and is scum.
I have personal opinions on the relative likelihood of these possibilities, but I'd first like to hear from others, especially the people who have provided lists.
Ok that hadn't occurred to me. Though it seems like a bad idea as either alignment.Ok, I've been sitting on some information and I should probably start divulging it.
The item I need has appeared in another player's list of 5.
The way I see it, there are 3 possibilities:
A)The player in question really needs a different item on their list, and totally by chance happened to put the item I need on their list.
B)The player needs the same item I need, and is town.
C)The player needs the same item I need, and is scum.
I have personal opinions on the relative likelihood of these possibilities, but I'd first like to hear from others, especially the people who have provided lists.
Option D) The player has the item and included in their list to get this kind of reaction (I think that's possibly NAI)
To be honest, this is a pretty strange situation and I'm unsure where to go from here. Should I claim more? Should I wait for the other list posters to say more? The thing is, I want the person who posted my item to say more stuff before he's sure he's the one who posted my item. On the other hand it's probably bad for the other list posters to start saying things, because they're not really involved and should not be forced to claim anything further. So I'm more or less at a loss and have been for some time.Ok, I've been sitting on some information and I should probably start divulging it.
The item I need has appeared in another player's list of 5.
The way I see it, there are 3 possibilities:
A)The player in question really needs a different item on their list, and totally by chance happened to put the item I need on their list.
B)The player needs the same item I need, and is town.
C)The player needs the same item I need, and is scum.
I have personal opinions on the relative likelihood of these possibilities, but I'd first like to hear from others, especially the people who have provided lists.
Interesting. But I don't think I could answer A without knowing what the item name is (which isn't me asking you to claim it)
What are people's thoughts on option B versus C (ignoring option A)?
Yeah I'm town.
Who's scum, do we think?
To be honest, this is a pretty strange situation and I'm unsure where to go from here. Should I claim more? Should I wait for the other list posters to say more? The thing is, I want the person who posted my item to say more stuff before he's sure he's the one who posted my item. On the other hand it's probably bad for the other list posters to start saying things, because they're not really involved and should not be forced to claim anything further. So I'm more or less at a loss and have been for some time.Ok, I've been sitting on some information and I should probably start divulging it.
The item I need has appeared in another player's list of 5.
The way I see it, there are 3 possibilities:
A)The player in question really needs a different item on their list, and totally by chance happened to put the item I need on their list.
B)The player needs the same item I need, and is town.
C)The player needs the same item I need, and is scum.
I have personal opinions on the relative likelihood of these possibilities, but I'd first like to hear from others, especially the people who have provided lists.
Interesting. But I don't think I could answer A without knowing what the item name is (which isn't me asking you to claim it)
Why? Because someone would probably say that they needed an item from someone else's list (which you have done), and so if they benefit from being helpful, they will probably pass it to youOk that hadn't occurred to me. Though it seems like a bad idea as either alignment.Ok, I've been sitting on some information and I should probably start divulging it.
The item I need has appeared in another player's list of 5.
The way I see it, there are 3 possibilities:
A)The player in question really needs a different item on their list, and totally by chance happened to put the item I need on their list.
B)The player needs the same item I need, and is town.
C)The player needs the same item I need, and is scum.
I have personal opinions on the relative likelihood of these possibilities, but I'd first like to hear from others, especially the people who have provided lists.
Option D) The player has the item and included in their list to get this kind of reaction (I think that's possibly NAI)
What are people's thoughts on option B versus C (ignoring option A)?
I think D is most likelyWhat are people's thoughts on option B versus C (ignoring option A)?
i think the player is different alignment from you. this is pretty good idea, gameplay-wise (how to spell things with wise in the end?) to have 1 town and 1 scum to compete for one item
Let's do a Vote: skip
Ok, I've been sitting on some information and I should probably start divulging it.Seems likely multiple people might find use for the same item, why not?
The item I need has appeared in another player's list of 5.
The way I see it, there are 3 possibilities:
A)The player in question really needs a different item on their list, and totally by chance happened to put the item I need on their list.
B)The player needs the same item I need, and is town.
C)The player needs the same item I need, and is scum.
I have personal opinions on the relative likelihood of these possibilities, but I'd first like to hear from others, especially the people who have provided lists.
Let's do a Vote: skip
!Let's do a Vote: skip
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...!Let's do a Vote: skip
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Well presumably if town's aim is to broadly to get their items, then scum's aim would be to stop thatOk, I've been sitting on some information and I should probably start divulging it.Seems likely multiple people might find use for the same item, why not?
The item I need has appeared in another player's list of 5.
The way I see it, there are 3 possibilities:
A)The player in question really needs a different item on their list, and totally by chance happened to put the item I need on their list.
B)The player needs the same item I need, and is town.
C)The player needs the same item I need, and is scum.
I have personal opinions on the relative likelihood of these possibilities, but I'd first like to hear from others, especially the people who have provided lists.
Like, I'm not sure one should even give an item they see someone asking for in the thread. This is a BM game.. maybe scum cant do anything without an item for example?
Town surely can lynch people even if we play it slow with the items in the start.
Like, I'm not sure one should even give an item they see someone asking for in the thread. This is a BM game.. maybe scum cant do anything without an item for example?Seems arbitrary to assume that scum can't do anything without items, but town can.
Town surely can lynch people even if we play it slow with the items in the start.
I need stuff! I have stuff! I dig the whole mixed up files of Mrs. Basil Frankweiler vibe!
Needing stuff AND having stuff seems OP. Probably SK. vote: Didds
Vote: joth I also need stuff and have stuff. Uh in fact this is a scumslip because town would never have said this.
I know I'm having a bit too much fun item finding, but joth is still scum. So...vote for him. He's not coming from town's perspective.
Vote: joth
Vote: scolapasta
I think scola’s “huh what does scum have N0 chat?” post is a blatant grab for newbie town cred. I don’t buy that he didn’t know that, it’s like that in literally every game.
vote: joth this kind of argument absolutely comes more often from scum looking for a reason to discredit towncred
vote: joth
buying what ADK is selling
joth really IS scum
vote: joth
Also, down for ash's plan.
Also, down to lynch joth.
Also, down to give scola towncred.
This is like a buy-one, get-four bargain sale! I love a sale, but I’m not down with lynching Joth until we are ready to let the night market swap-o-Rama begin.Vote: joth
#wagons
If joth had less votes I would vote for him, but I don't really think he's scum.
Ok, I've been sitting on some information and I should probably start divulging it.
The item I need has appeared in another player's list of 5.
The way I see it, there are 3 possibilities:
A)The player in question really needs a different item on their list, and totally by chance happened to put the item I need on their list.
B)The player needs the same item I need, and is town.
C)The player needs the same item I need, and is scum.
I have personal opinions on the relative likelihood of these possibilities, but I'd first like to hear from others, especially the people who have provided lists.
Option D) The player has the item and included in their list to get this kind of reaction (I think that's possibly NAI)
Also an item could be one thing in someone's hand, another in someone else's. I'd generally be in favor of sharing info once we know more about what it means. (I dont know about others, I dont know anything about the items and how vital they'd be or how careful we should be with them yet)
If joth had less votes I would vote for him, but I don't really think he's scum.
What a weird thing to say.
Also, people tend to talk about MiX's meta a lot. Can someone fill me in?
Also, people tend to talk about MiX's meta a lot. Can someone fill me in?
I'm always scumread. Always. Literally all the time. Unless I'm scum, then I play around it.
About the non-vote, what adk said resonated with me, but at the time I had no clue how many votes you had, and i liked my sudgy vote better anyway. (I still do.)
Have we ever lynched Faust day 1 before? Let's try it vote: faust
Also, people tend to talk about MiX's meta a lot. Can someone fill me in?
I'm always scumread. Always. Literally all the time. Unless I'm scum, then I play around it.
Are we secretly brothers or something? That happens to me too!
I like joths analysis. Let's not lynch him
Have we ever lynched Faust day 1 before? Let's try it vote: faust
I like joths analysis. Let's not lynch himWhat do you like about his analysis?
Oh I forgot, I don't like skip much in that wagon re-read. His nonvote might actually be scummier than any of the votes.What about your nonvote then, how scummy is that?
Well, to be fair, you didn't really say they might have use for items, more that they definitely have use for them, or at least that's what it sounded like to me. Since then, your post #202 also troubled me, and very recently this post caught my attentionAbout the non-vote, what adk said resonated with me, but at the time I had no clue how many votes you had, and i liked my sudgy vote better anyway. (I still do.)
What do you like about voting for me? The only reason I could see from you is thinking that scum might have a use for items, which seems very likely given that this game seems centered around items.
How do you know what scum would definitely know?Also an item could be one thing in someone's hand, another in someone else's. I'd generally be in favor of sharing info once we know more about what it means. (I dont know about others, I dont know anything about the items and how vital they'd be or how careful we should be with them yet)
Town on Eevee for this, because scum would definitely know more about items than Eevee does here.
Sup joth. Looking forward to playing with you. I read war of sparks mafia a few weeks ago and you were my biggest town read so well done on that.
About the non-vote, what adk said resonated with me, but at the time I had no clue how many votes you had, and i liked my sudgy vote better anyway. (I still do.)
I take it from your omission that you don't have much interest in the fact that someone else posted the item i need?
You got it.Sup joth. Looking forward to playing with you. I read war of sparks mafia a few weeks ago and you were my biggest town read so well done on that.
About the non-vote, what adk said resonated with me, but at the time I had no clue how many votes you had, and i liked my sudgy vote better anyway. (I still do.)
I take it from your omission that you don't have much interest in the fact that someone else posted the item i need?
I'm so confused about the plan. I thought we were supposed to be making lists of what we need, not what we have. Is that right? And so the issue is that someone else also needs the thing you need?
I like ADK's plan. I'll start. We're listing items we need right?
Blueberries
Rope
Camera
Glasses
Hat
Sup joth. Looking forward to playing with you. I read war of sparks mafia a few weeks ago and you were my biggest town read so well done on that.
About the non-vote, what adk said resonated with me, but at the time I had no clue how many votes you had, and i liked my sudgy vote better anyway. (I still do.)
I take it from your omission that you don't have much interest in the fact that someone else posted the item i need?
I'm so confused about the plan. I thought we were supposed to be making lists of what we need, not what we have. Is that right? And so the issue is that someone else also needs the thing you need?
The item I need appears in mail-mi's list.
How do you know what scum would definitely know?Also an item could be one thing in someone's hand, another in someone else's. I'd generally be in favor of sharing info once we know more about what it means. (I dont know about others, I dont know anything about the items and how vital they'd be or how careful we should be with them yet)
Town on Eevee for this, because scum would definitely know more about items than Eevee does here.
Anyway, mail-mi has come back to thread and posted and ignored my revelation so I guess there's no point waiting around any longer.
The item I need appears in mail-mi's list.
Vote: mail-mi
Probably not leaving there for the rest of the day.
Have we ever lynched Faust day 1 before? Let's try it vote: faust
I feel like we've moved a bit past RVS.
BM game, time to relax.
Have we ever lynched Faust day 1 before? Let's try it vote: faust
I feel like we've moved a bit past RVS.BM game, time to relax.
I will say I struggled with whether to make this Bastard or RMM. After the game I’ll explain my reasoning and we can all decide if I made the right call. Ultimately it came down to me thinking people would be more angry about getting a bastard game when they signed up for a normal one than visa versa.
Would it be useful to claim which item I need that I listed? Perhaps I did just list his item accidentallyYeah may as well.
Have we ever lynched Faust day 1 before? Let's try it vote: faust
I feel like we've moved a bit past RVS.BM game, time to relax.I will say I struggled with whether to make this Bastard or RMM. After the game I’ll explain my reasoning and we can all decide if I made the right call. Ultimately it came down to me thinking people would be more angry about getting a bastard game when they signed up for a normal one than visa versa.
I, for one, am treating this game seriously.
Would it be useful to claim which item I need that I listed? Perhaps I did just list his item accidentallyYeah may as well.
Have we ever lynched Faust day 1 before? Let's try it vote: faust
I feel like we've moved a bit past RVS.BM game, time to relax.I will say I struggled with whether to make this Bastard or RMM. After the game I’ll explain my reasoning and we can all decide if I made the right call. Ultimately it came down to me thinking people would be more angry about getting a bastard game when they signed up for a normal one than visa versa.
I, for one, am treating this game seriously.
I agree with Glooble, we should be treating this game like a RMM gone wrong, not drunk mafia with extra roles.
DAMAs are fun and encouraged, however. At least from me, because those are always fun.
Would it be useful to claim which item I need that I listed? Perhaps I did just list his item accidentallyYeah may as well.
Would it be useful to claim which item I need that I listed? Perhaps I did just list his item accidentallyYeah may as well.
Cool. The item I need is a Rope.
sudgy seems towny
mix seems scummy. especially the "yeah when you guys think i'm scum it means i'm town because as scum i'd be so awesome you wouldn't suspect me" rubs me the wrong way
joth seems maybe more scummy than towny, but i wouldn't want to lynch anyone who puts effort into reacting their wagon like that day 1
mail-mi seems towny
I like ADK's plan. I'll start. We're listing items we need right?
Blueberries
Rope
Camera
Glasses
Hat
Hear ye, hear ye, whoever has one of these, give it to skip or mail-mi with a coinflip, hear ye, hear ye. Lol no one's gonna listen to me.
I like ADK's plan. I'll start. We're listing items we need right?
Blueberries
Rope
Camera
Glasses
Hat
Hear ye, hear ye, whoever has one of these, give it to skip or mail-mi with a coinflip, hear ye, hear ye. Lol no one's gonna listen to me.
What do you mean by this, Mix? I might be confused on the plan also at this point.
It's one of those arguments that doesn't do anything for anyone but yourself. Very easy to lie about as scum, how are we to verify?sudgy seems towny
mix seems scummy. especially the "yeah when you guys think i'm scum it means i'm town because as scum i'd be so awesome you wouldn't suspect me" rubs me the wrong way
joth seems maybe more scummy than towny, but i wouldn't want to lynch anyone who puts effort into reacting their wagon like that day 1
mail-mi seems towny
It's true. It's objectively true given evidence, looking towny is my scumtell, which is why I'm always so scummy. And me saying it is NAI.
It's one of those arguments that doesn't do anything for anyone but yourself. Very easy to lie about as scum, how are we to verify?sudgy seems towny
mix seems scummy. especially the "yeah when you guys think i'm scum it means i'm town because as scum i'd be so awesome you wouldn't suspect me" rubs me the wrong way
joth seems maybe more scummy than towny, but i wouldn't want to lynch anyone who puts effort into reacting their wagon like that day 1
mail-mi seems towny
It's true. It's objectively true given evidence, looking towny is my scumtell, which is why I'm always so scummy. And me saying it is NAI.
i'm assuming "okay now you seem town to me so time to lynch you?" is not the conclusion you are looking for
I also need the ropeWould it be useful to claim which item I need that I listed? Perhaps I did just list his item accidentallyYeah may as well.
Cool. The item I need is a Rope.
Ok so I was in a huge rush when I posted the plan, and I'm just logging on again now.
Obviously it was not fully thought through. People don't need to post what they have. Overtly posting what you need is also bad. But I think the part about trying to hide the item you need into your post has merit. Except maybe the person who needs the item I have, probably you shouldn't put the word in your post anymore, because people will catch it. That's my bad for describing the word. Sorry. I was roped into this game without warning right before a 24 hour period when I knew I would not be able to post. I had a brief amount of time to read my role and the thread, and I thought of the plan. My choices were to post it immediately or wait until after the 24 hour dark period, and considering that we're dealing with a short game-day I chose the former. So, as I said, it wasn't fully thought through.
Catching up now.
I can't say I understand the votes on me.
Do people honestly think scum!me would choose to play D1 like this?
So like, what do you think my scum plan is? Get mail-mi lynched today, then when he flips town, I somehow avoid the lynch tomorrow? There's no way I'd by choice put myself in a 1v1 on the first day. Come on.I can't say I understand the votes on me.
Do people honestly think scum!me would choose to play D1 like this?
Yes.
I also need the ropeWould it be useful to claim which item I need that I listed? Perhaps I did just list his item accidentallyYeah may as well.
Cool. The item I need is a Rope.
Agreed.I also need the ropeWould it be useful to claim which item I need that I listed? Perhaps I did just list his item accidentallyYeah may as well.
Cool. The item I need is a Rope.
Cool. So is there like any way we're both town? Maybe maybe not?
Honestly best course for town right now is to lynch one of us, then the other if they lynch town. There's just so much more likely hood that one of us is scum, the odds are pretty good.
So like, what do you think my scum plan is? Get mail-mi lynched today, then when he flips town, I somehow avoid the lynch tomorrow? There's no way I'd by choice put myself in a 1v1 on the first day. Come on.I can't say I understand the votes on me.
Do people honestly think scum!me would choose to play D1 like this?
Yes.
Ok, I re-read. Now I get it. I wasn't following at the time.
It is definitely interesting, though not exactly surprising, that there are items multiple people need (which seems more likely to me than someone randomly listing an item that skip happens to need).
I think it's more likely that the people who need the same item are on different factions -- that's much more elegant game design.
So there is merit, especially on day 1, to lynching one person out of a pair who need the same item. That said, we have only skip's word here, so if he says [so and so] needs the same item as me, he could really have just named anybody who posted a list as a scum tactic to get that person lynched. So maybe this isn't presently actionable.
Ok, I re-read. Now I get it. I wasn't following at the time.
It is definitely interesting, though not exactly surprising, that there are items multiple people need (which seems more likely to me than someone randomly listing an item that skip happens to need).
I think it's more likely that the people who need the same item are on different factions -- that's much more elegant game design.
So there is merit, especially on day 1, to lynching one person out of a pair who need the same item. That said, we have only skip's word here, so if he says [so and so] needs the same item as me, he could really have just named anybody who posted a list as a scum tactic to get that person lynched. So maybe this isn't presently actionable.
this. smart. good idea/catch.
To get the rope, which he didn't know somebody else needs.So like, what do you think my scum plan is? Get mail-mi lynched today, then when he flips town, I somehow avoid the lynch tomorrow? There's no way I'd by choice put myself in a 1v1 on the first day. Come on.I can't say I understand the votes on me.
Do people honestly think scum!me would choose to play D1 like this?
Yes.
Yes. What do you think scum!mail-mi's plan is?
To get the rope, which he didn't know somebody else needs.So like, what do you think my scum plan is? Get mail-mi lynched today, then when he flips town, I somehow avoid the lynch tomorrow? There's no way I'd by choice put myself in a 1v1 on the first day. Come on.I can't say I understand the votes on me.
Do people honestly think scum!me would choose to play D1 like this?
Yes.
Yes. What do you think scum!mail-mi's plan is?
So like, what do you think my scum plan is? Get mail-mi lynched today, then when he flips town, I somehow avoid the lynch tomorrow? There's no way I'd by choice put myself in a 1v1 on the first day. Come on.I can't say I understand the votes on me.
Do people honestly think scum!me would choose to play D1 like this?
Yes.
Nobody caught it or would have caught it ever. In fact, even after I stated that someone listed my item, you still didn't know who it was or which item. This is honestly absurd.To get the rope, which he didn't know somebody else needs.So like, what do you think my scum plan is? Get mail-mi lynched today, then when he flips town, I somehow avoid the lynch tomorrow? There's no way I'd by choice put myself in a 1v1 on the first day. Come on.I can't say I understand the votes on me.
Do people honestly think scum!me would choose to play D1 like this?
Yes.
Yes. What do you think scum!mail-mi's plan is?
That's your plan, isn't it? You breadcrumbed the item you need, which means you need to point out if someone else said it otherwise you're lynched eventually.
But if mail-mi were scum, he could just have said that the item he needed was blueberries or glasses, right? Then he could neatly sidestep the 1v1. Instead, mail-mi volunteered that the item he needed was the rope. I don't think the scum narrative makes any sense for either of them if you really scrutinize it.
After you claimed to get the rope in a future day, people would catch onto it.
But if mail-mi were scum, he could just have said that the item he needed was blueberries or glasses, right? Then he could neatly sidestep the 1v1. Instead, mail-mi volunteered that the item he needed was the rope. I don't think the scum narrative makes any sense for either of them if you really scrutinize it.If he claimed to by total chance pick out of a hat one of the thousands of words in the English language and it just happened to be the rope I need, we'd lynch him for sure. Actually I was hoping he would do that when I told him to claim
After you claimed to get the rope in a future day, people would catch onto it.I don't get this. If I were scum, why would I ever claim to get the rope?
After you claimed to get the rope in a future day, people would catch onto it.I don't get this. If I were scum, why would I ever claim to get the rope?
If I never said anything, why would they give it to me?After you claimed to get the rope in a future day, people would catch onto it.I don't get this. If I were scum, why would I ever claim to get the rope?
Because town gave it to you.
I also need the rope
If I never said anything, why would they give it to me?After you claimed to get the rope in a future day, people would catch onto it.I don't get this. If I were scum, why would I ever claim to get the rope?
Because town gave it to you.
I know it'll be hard not to read this as sarcasm, but that is funny.I also need the rope
That can be arranged! Vote: skip
Ok I honestly think they'd give it to mail-mi who explicitly put it in his list.If I never said anything, why would they give it to me?After you claimed to get the rope in a future day, people would catch onto it.I don't get this. If I were scum, why would I ever claim to get the rope?
Because town gave it to you.
Because while people that don’t have it and don’t know that it’s an item may have missed your hidden claim, the person who has it would likely have ctrl-f the thread and found it.
Vote:SwanI'm not saying it's tantamount to an investigative result. My feeling though, is that this evidence definitely is way more telling than any reads-based evidence that we're going to get D1. I think it's considerably more likely that mail-mi is scum than town, and as much as I love the idea of me having good reads and finding scum the old fashioned way, I'm prepared to admit I'm not very good at it.
All things considered, it's usually town rather than scum than comes out early with claims in games like these, the downside of doing so generally being risking an early death which town tends to mind less. I see no reason to assume that two people who need the rope couldn't both be town. The people looking most scummy to me right now are the ones that are lining up two lynches from this, just doesn't seem warranted from the information we have.
ppe: behind a bit
The other thing we could do is ask them to claim why they need the rope? That would provide us some insight into who's townier or who's scummier.
vote: skipI'm not going to claim my power, but looking from an outside point of view, it's more likely to be a town than scum power.
I'll join this. I agree that the game design seems more elegant to be different factions needing the same item. Heck, they could even both be different scum factions and thinking it's town vs scum?
The other thing we could do is ask them to claim why they need the rope? That would provide us some insight into who's townier or who's scummier.
ppe 16!; wrote this had work call, I'm sticking to it while I catch up!
Another word for “elegant” here, as it’s suggested, is “solvable”. I doubt very much it’s that.I wouldn't say it's solvable. In the first place, mail-mi didn't have to claim rope.
Vote:Swan
All things considered, it's usually town rather than scum than comes out early with claims in games like these, the downside of doing so generally being risking an early death which town tends to mind less. I see no reason to assume that two people who need the rope couldn't both be town. The people looking most scummy to me right now are the ones that are lining up two lynches from this, just doesn't seem warranted from the information we have.
ppe: behind a bit
Another word for “elegant” here, as it’s suggested, is “solvable”. I doubt very much it’s that.
FoS on Joth & Swan, extended to Scola for playing follow-the-bad-reason.
But best vote is vote: ADK
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Would be a cool argument if we knew it was a 1v1. Which we don't, so we shouldn't jump to conclusions about Glaz. If you believe this is a 1v1 then resolving it is better than going after Galz.Another word for “elegant” here, as it’s suggested, is “solvable”. I doubt very much it’s that.
FoS on Joth & Swan, extended to Scola for playing follow-the-bad-reason.
But best vote is vote: ADK
vote: Galzria
I'm not sure which one of them is your partner, but nice try saving them.
Think about it folks, if scum really is in a 1v1 here, there's no good outcome for them -- even if they manage to get town to pick the other one, their guy just gets lynched tomorrow. The only move for a scum partner here that saves their partner for real is to attack the whole premise of the 1 v 1 and attack it hard, so hard that you make people feel stupid for believing in it and they back off. That's Galz here to a T.
Another word for “elegant” here, as it’s suggested, is “solvable”. I doubt very much it’s that.
FoS on Joth & Swan, extended to Scola for playing follow-the-bad-reason.
But best vote is vote: ADK
vote: Galzria
I'm not sure which one of them is your partner, but nice try saving them.
Think about it folks, if scum really is in a 1v1 here, there's no good outcome for them -- even if they manage to get town to pick the other one, their guy just gets lynched tomorrow. The only move for a scum partner here that saves their partner for real is to attack the whole premise of the 1 v 1 and attack it hard, so hard that you make people feel stupid for believing in it and they back off. That's Galz here to a T.
Vote:Swan
All things considered, it's usually town rather than scum than comes out early with claims in games like these, the downside of doing so generally being risking an early death which town tends to mind less. I see no reason to assume that two people who need the rope couldn't both be town. The people looking most scummy to me right now are the ones that are lining up two lynches from this, just doesn't seem warranted from the information we have.
ppe: behind a bit
I think you must of mis-interpreted something I have said? I am not advocating the lynch of anyone. The last thing i posted was pulling the Joth quote... so if it is that I wanna make it super clear I am not on team "lynch one then the other here". Which is why I am not voting.
I also, previously stated that I think it is potentially likely that it could of been a town to town signal.
Whatever, regardless... not trying to line up any lynches.
Ok, I re-read. Now I get it. I wasn't following at the time.
It is definitely interesting, though not exactly surprising, that there are items multiple people need (which seems more likely to me than someone randomly listing an item that skip happens to need).
I think it's more likely that the people who need the same item are on different factions -- that's much more elegant game design.
So there is merit, especially on day 1, to lynching one person out of a pair who need the same item. That said, we have only skip's word here, so if he says [so and so] needs the same item as me, he could really have just named anybody who posted a list as a scum tactic to get that person lynched. So maybe this isn't presently actionable.
this. smart. good idea/catch.
I lean more on this being town vs town. I didn't see anything from either of them that made me think either was scum, and I feel like it is more likely for town to knowingly go into a 1v1 than scum. (skip, as scum, could have remained silent; mail-mi, as scum, could have claimed something other than the rope.)
That is not true though. And skip in particular wasn't apporaching the claim in a townie manner at all; instead he first asked what people believed about two people needing different items before going through with the claim, the only reasons for which I can see are testing the waters for how a claim would turn out and getting people to talk more about items, both of which are scummy.I lean more on this being town vs town. I didn't see anything from either of them that made me think either was scum, and I feel like it is more likely for town to knowingly go into a 1v1 than scum. (skip, as scum, could have remained silent; mail-mi, as scum, could have claimed something other than the rope.)
This is a much more reasonable response. One of Mail-Mi or Skip may in fact be scum. The fact that they've claimed need of the same item is irrelevant. It's much more worthwhile to look at the how/when/why of their claims. In neither case is it a particularly logical scum play - they've both, independently of each other and at different times, set up claims that don't make sense from scum D1. That is, both had ways to avoid being put into a 1v1 today and neither of them took that out. Scum avoids this conflict if they have the chance to do so.
That is not true though. And skip in particular wasn't apporaching the claim in a townie manner at all; instead he first asked what people believed about two people needing different items before going through with the claim, the only reasons for which I can see are testing the waters for how a claim would turn out and getting people to talk more about items, both of which are scummy.I lean more on this being town vs town. I didn't see anything from either of them that made me think either was scum, and I feel like it is more likely for town to knowingly go into a 1v1 than scum. (skip, as scum, could have remained silent; mail-mi, as scum, could have claimed something other than the rope.)
This is a much more reasonable response. One of Mail-Mi or Skip may in fact be scum. The fact that they've claimed need of the same item is irrelevant. It's much more worthwhile to look at the how/when/why of their claims. In neither case is it a particularly logical scum play - they've both, independently of each other and at different times, set up claims that don't make sense from scum D1. That is, both had ways to avoid being put into a 1v1 today and neither of them took that out. Scum avoids this conflict if they have the chance to do so.
Oh, and he let mail-mi claim the item rather than doing it himself, so that he had all the options available.
That is not true though. And skip in particular wasn't apporaching the claim in a townie manner at all; instead he first asked what people believed about two people needing different items before going through with the claim, the only reasons for which I can see are testing the waters for how a claim would turn out and getting people to talk more about items, both of which are scummy.I lean more on this being town vs town. I didn't see anything from either of them that made me think either was scum, and I feel like it is more likely for town to knowingly go into a 1v1 than scum. (skip, as scum, could have remained silent; mail-mi, as scum, could have claimed something other than the rope.)
This is a much more reasonable response. One of Mail-Mi or Skip may in fact be scum. The fact that they've claimed need of the same item is irrelevant. It's much more worthwhile to look at the how/when/why of their claims. In neither case is it a particularly logical scum play - they've both, independently of each other and at different times, set up claims that don't make sense from scum D1. That is, both had ways to avoid being put into a 1v1 today and neither of them took that out. Scum avoids this conflict if they have the chance to do so.
Vote:Swan
All things considered, it's usually town rather than scum than comes out early with claims in games like these, the downside of doing so generally being risking an early death which town tends to mind less. I see no reason to assume that two people who need the rope couldn't both be town. The people looking most scummy to me right now are the ones that are lining up two lynches from this, just doesn't seem warranted from the information we have.
ppe: behind a bit
I think you must of mis-interpreted something I have said? I am not advocating the lynch of anyone. The last thing i posted was pulling the Joth quote... so if it is that I wanna make it super clear I am not on team "lynch one then the other here". Which is why I am not voting.
I also, previously stated that I think it is potentially likely that it could of been a town to town signal.
Whatever, regardless... not trying to line up any lynches.Ok, I re-read. Now I get it. I wasn't following at the time.
It is definitely interesting, though not exactly surprising, that there are items multiple people need (which seems more likely to me than someone randomly listing an item that skip happens to need).
I think it's more likely that the people who need the same item are on different factions -- that's much more elegant game design.
So there is merit, especially on day 1, to lynching one person out of a pair who need the same item. That said, we have only skip's word here, so if he says [so and so] needs the same item as me, he could really have just named anybody who posted a list as a scum tactic to get that person lynched. So maybe this isn't presently actionable.
this. smart. good idea/catch.
There's little to misinterpret here. You even bolded the part that you were clearly agreeing with for emphasis.
"I think it's more likely that the people who need the same item are on different factions -- that's much more elegant game design."
You've said, through your agreeing statements "this. smart. good idea/catch.", that you believe that it is likely that one of Mail-Mi & Skip is scum, as they share a need of the same item. If one were lynched and flipped town, then your belief, as you've made clear here, is that the other is likely scum. That is the definition of "lining up lynches" before flips occur - and in this case, based on a bad mod design theory.
It's idiotic game design to create items such that they're used exclusively by 1 town and 1 scum. We all claim what we need, we look at the counter-claims, we lynch amongst those pools, game over. It isn't a game at that point.
I also need the rope
That can be arranged! Vote: skip
Unvote
On another note, I’m getting some scum vibes off sudgy lately. Posting a lot but not committing to many opinions. And I feel like Didds has not contributed much real substance this game, which is a flag for me.
Eh whatever let's do it now.
I have an item
It's 8 letters long, 3 of the letters are 'o's.
If you need that item, use the word in a post of yours within the next 48 hours.
I suggest that everyone with an item to give do something like this. It will probably be protown, and definitely be fun.
Joseph is not scumUnvote
On another note, I’m getting some scum vibes off sudgy lately. Posting a lot but not committing to many opinions. And I feel like Didds has not contributed much real substance this game, which is a flag for me.
This is true. Today and tomorrow are my students capstones presentations so I am only able to half-way pay attention. Plus, I have a really good idea if who might have what I need, who needs what I have, and who is scummy (Joseph) so I'm cool with letting other people with stuff figure out who needs their stuff.
But I am curious about how the rope conversation will play out...
And i have read the chat, but still want to see what happens
Joseph is not scum
I just realized that a lot of my assumptions on the setup based on my PR make no sense, unless the mod essentially lied in the opening post.
This should be clear after skip answers my detail question, I thinj.
Mixy, what you hope I have and what you have...have many letters combined?
This Mix-Didds thing is so curious, odd and interesting. Probably means they are both tow or one is scum and trying to rope in the other who is town, but not two scum from the same faction because what would be the point?
I didn't ask, but that's enough of an answer
The reason I asked people's opinions is because I wanted scums' opinions (mail-mi in particular) on record before they knew who claimed my item. After a while, I got tired of waiting.That is not true though. And skip in particular wasn't apporaching the claim in a townie manner at all; instead he first asked what people believed about two people needing different items before going through with the claim, the only reasons for which I can see are testing the waters for how a claim would turn out and getting people to talk more about items, both of which are scummy.I lean more on this being town vs town. I didn't see anything from either of them that made me think either was scum, and I feel like it is more likely for town to knowingly go into a 1v1 than scum. (skip, as scum, could have remained silent; mail-mi, as scum, could have claimed something other than the rope.)
This is a much more reasonable response. One of Mail-Mi or Skip may in fact be scum. The fact that they've claimed need of the same item is irrelevant. It's much more worthwhile to look at the how/when/why of their claims. In neither case is it a particularly logical scum play - they've both, independently of each other and at different times, set up claims that don't make sense from scum D1. That is, both had ways to avoid being put into a 1v1 today and neither of them took that out. Scum avoids this conflict if they have the chance to do so.
Oh, and he let mail-mi claim the item rather than doing it himself, so that he had all the options available.
This Mix-Didds thing is so curious, odd and interesting. Probably means they are both tow or one is scum and trying to rope in the other who is town, but not two scum from the same faction because what would be the point?
This Mix-Didds thing is so curious, odd and interesting. Probably means they are both tow or one is scum and trying to rope in the other who is town, but not two scum from the same faction because what would be the point?
Are you softclaiming a third use of Rope?
This Mix-Didds thing is so curious, odd and interesting. Probably means they are both tow or one is scum and trying to rope in the other who is town, but not two scum from the same faction because what would be the point?
Are you softclaiming a third use of Rope?
Vote: Galzria
This Mix-Didds thing is so curious, odd and interesting. Probably means they are both tow or one is scum and trying to rope in the other who is town, but not two scum from the same faction because what would be the point?
Are you softclaiming a third use of Rope?
Vote: Galzria
It was sarcasm, MiX.
I don't really have a good answer for you. It was obviously a bad idea. I've already admitted as much. I'm actually kind of embarrassed about it. My only excuse is that I had very little time to think and I knew I wouldn't be able to post for 24 hours so I just said "what the heck" and went for it. In fact, in the very next post, I had already realized it was bad to say I had an item.Eh whatever let's do it now.
I have an item
It's 8 letters long, 3 of the letters are 'o's.
If you need that item, use the word in a post of yours within the next 48 hours.
I suggest that everyone with an item to give do something like this. It will probably be protown, and definitely be fun.
Can you go over why you thought this was a good idea, in extreme detail?
I don't really have a good answer for you. It was obviously a bad idea. I've already admitted as much. I'm actually kind of embarrassed about it. My only excuse is that I had very little time to think and I knew I wouldn't be able to post for 24 hours so I just said "what the heck" and went for it. In fact, in the very next post, I had already realized it was bad to say I had an item.Eh whatever let's do it now.
I have an item
It's 8 letters long, 3 of the letters are 'o's.
If you need that item, use the word in a post of yours within the next 48 hours.
I suggest that everyone with an item to give do something like this. It will probably be protown, and definitely be fun.
Can you go over why you thought this was a good idea, in extreme detail?
I'm sorry if this is unsatisfying, but know that I feel worse about it than you do.
Mail-mi
I feel the scenario in which town and scum want the same item is significantly more likely than one in which town and town do. I have no information on the matter other than what I've posted in thread.Mail-mi
Why.
I feel the scenario in which town and scum want the same item is significantly more likely than one in which town and town do. I have no information on the matter other than what I've posted in thread.Mail-mi
Why.
I feel the scenario in which town and scum want the same item is significantly more likely than one in which town and town do. I have no information on the matter other than what I've posted in thread.Mail-mi
Why.
If mail-mi flips town, will you self-vote?
Definitely not. I'll try as hard as I can to stay alive. I doubt that will work though. I'm sorta banking on him being scum.I feel the scenario in which town and scum want the same item is significantly more likely than one in which town and town do. I have no information on the matter other than what I've posted in thread.Mail-mi
Why.
If mail-mi flips town, will you self-vote?
I feel the scenario in which town and scum want the same item is significantly more likely than one in which town and town do. I have no information on the matter other than what I've posted in thread.Mail-mi
Why.
If mail-mi flips town, will you self-vote?
vote: mix this is asinine
I feel the scenario in which town and scum want the same item is significantly more likely than one in which town and town do. I have no information on the matter other than what I've posted in thread.Mail-mi
Why.
If mail-mi flips town, will you self-vote?
vote: mix this is asinine
It's not. It's making the point that arguments based on scumminess based solely on the concept of "Two people needing the same item must mean one is scum" are dumb. If Skip finds Mail-Mi's reaction, revelation, responses to be scummy then he should be able to formulate a case based on that. The fact is that we know nothing about this mechanic - and so if the argument is "I want to make it a 1v1 based on my belief of this mechanic", then you've got to be able to own the backside of that if the player in question is lynched and flips town.
I buy the argument that skip is scummy for making this a 1v1 but then expects to not be lynched when mail-mi flips town.
I buy the argument that skip is scummy for making this a 1v1 but then expects to not be lynched when mail-mi flips town.
Why would scum put themselves in that position?
I buy the argument that skip is scummy for making this a 1v1 but then expects to not be lynched when mail-mi flips town.
Why would scum put themselves in that position?
It gives them someone to push and a smoke screen for anything else they do this day.
Do you think it's town vs town?
If joth had less votes I would vote for him, but I don't really think he's scum.I don't follow. What mistake? What's the relevance of the story?
I'm also feeling a bit more comfortable with my MiX vote. I remember in one RMM game I was in I was scum and had the power to secretly lynch someone when they were at L-1. At one point someone got to L-2 and I freaked out, saying, "What if scum has the power to lynch early? We shouldn't get people so close to being lynched!" I didn't realize it then, but I was freaking out because I was trying to act like town, but I had the information scum has. Thankfully, they didn't lynch me for it, but I don't want to repeat that mistake here.
The mistake of not lynching scum. The story is relevant because MiX is doing the exact same thing as I did then, as scum.
vote:josephSuch a OMGUS vote
(forgot to bold)
Nah, wasn't because it was on me, but because it was jumping the wagon.
Have we ever lynched Faust day 1 before? Let's try it vote: faust
Anyway, mail-mi has come back to thread and posted and ignored my revelation so I guess there's no point waiting around any longer.
The item I need appears in mail-mi's list.
Vote: mail-mi
Probably not leaving there for the rest of the day.
I buy the argument that skip is scummy for making this a 1v1 but then expects to not be lynched when mail-mi flips town.Maybe you misunderstood my response? I fully expect to be lynched tomorrow if mail-mi flips town. I'll still try as hard as I can to fight it. But anyway, mail-mi will flip scum.
I buy the argument that skip is scummy for making this a 1v1 but then expects to not be lynched when mail-mi flips town.Maybe you misunderstood my response? I fully expect to be lynched tomorrow if mail-mi flips town. I'll still try as hard as I can to fight it. But anyway, mail-mi will flip scum.
The vote didn't have to do with him not saying anything. What I meant was that my hopes of getting mail-mi to commit to an opinion on whether or not this was 1v1, before knowing if he was involved, were proving fruitless. Therefore, may as well just vote him already.Anyway, mail-mi has come back to thread and posted and ignored my revelation so I guess there's no point waiting around any longer.
The item I need appears in mail-mi's list.
Vote: mail-mi
Probably not leaving there for the rest of the day.
What does that have to do with mail-mi not saying anything? How was he supposed to know he had the doubleclaim?
I'm not sure what to say to this except I have no idea what scum!me would expect, and scum!me would never do this. Neither would scum!you or scum!anybody else in this game, which is why I'm so befuddled as to how anybody thinks I'm scum.I buy the argument that skip is scummy for making this a 1v1 but then expects to not be lynched when mail-mi flips town.Maybe you misunderstood my response? I fully expect to be lynched tomorrow if mail-mi flips town. I'll still try as hard as I can to fight it. But anyway, mail-mi will flip scum.
Okay, how about this. If you're scum, you expect to lynch mail-mi and live. I can see the future, this is what will happen if you're not lynched today.
Also doing this 1v1 as town is bad because mail-mi can easily be town.
Meh, I just don't think you're town. It's hard to explain.
If joth had less votes I would vote for him, but I don't really think he's scum.I don't follow. What mistake? What's the relevance of the story?
I'm also feeling a bit more comfortable with my MiX vote. I remember in one RMM game I was in I was scum and had the power to secretly lynch someone when they were at L-1. At one point someone got to L-2 and I freaked out, saying, "What if scum has the power to lynch early? We shouldn't get people so close to being lynched!" I didn't realize it then, but I was freaking out because I was trying to act like town, but I had the information scum has. Thankfully, they didn't lynch me for it, but I don't want to repeat that mistake here.
The mistake of not lynching scum. The story is relevant because MiX is doing the exact same thing as I did then, as scum.
Wait, what did I do that is similar to this?
If joth had less votes I would vote for him, but I don't really think he's scum.I don't follow. What mistake? What's the relevance of the story?
I'm also feeling a bit more comfortable with my MiX vote. I remember in one RMM game I was in I was scum and had the power to secretly lynch someone when they were at L-1. At one point someone got to L-2 and I freaked out, saying, "What if scum has the power to lynch early? We shouldn't get people so close to being lynched!" I didn't realize it then, but I was freaking out because I was trying to act like town, but I had the information scum has. Thankfully, they didn't lynch me for it, but I don't want to repeat that mistake here.
The mistake of not lynching scum. The story is relevant because MiX is doing the exact same thing as I did then, as scum.
Wait, what did I do that is similar to this?
It was your whole thing of "scum have powers to block, intercept, etc. item transfer". That's the reason I'm voting for you.
If joth had less votes I would vote for him, but I don't really think he's scum.I don't follow. What mistake? What's the relevance of the story?
I'm also feeling a bit more comfortable with my MiX vote. I remember in one RMM game I was in I was scum and had the power to secretly lynch someone when they were at L-1. At one point someone got to L-2 and I freaked out, saying, "What if scum has the power to lynch early? We shouldn't get people so close to being lynched!" I didn't realize it then, but I was freaking out because I was trying to act like town, but I had the information scum has. Thankfully, they didn't lynch me for it, but I don't want to repeat that mistake here.
The mistake of not lynching scum. The story is relevant because MiX is doing the exact same thing as I did then, as scum.
Wait, what did I do that is similar to this?
It was your whole thing of "scum have powers to block, intercept, etc. item transfer". That's the reason I'm voting for you.
Swan said that first. Can you double check?
Or, he could have been trying to figure out what he was doing, and was asking for advice? I feel that especially fits here with skip being suddenly thrown into the game. A lot of what seems scummy about skip can be explained as "he had little time to think of anything and has been trying to keep up ever since." Now, between him and mail-mi, I would pick him, but I don't think he is as scummy as people seem to be making him out to be.You make it sound as though he entered the game suddenly on Day 3. The post where he talked about the double item was well after his entrance into the game.
I think scum would potentially try a 1 v 1, to "hide in plain sight". Because it has worked in games in the past for scumI buy the argument that skip is scummy for making this a 1v1 but then expects to not be lynched when mail-mi flips town.Maybe you misunderstood my response? I fully expect to be lynched tomorrow if mail-mi flips town. I'll still try as hard as I can to fight it. But anyway, mail-mi will flip scum.
Okay, how about this. If you're scum, you expect to lynch mail-mi and live. I can see the future, this is what will happen if you're not lynched today.
Also doing this 1v1 as town is bad because mail-mi can easily be town.
Meh, I just don't think you're town. It's hard to explain.
If joth had less votes I would vote for him, but I don't really think he's scum.I don't follow. What mistake? What's the relevance of the story?
I'm also feeling a bit more comfortable with my MiX vote. I remember in one RMM game I was in I was scum and had the power to secretly lynch someone when they were at L-1. At one point someone got to L-2 and I freaked out, saying, "What if scum has the power to lynch early? We shouldn't get people so close to being lynched!" I didn't realize it then, but I was freaking out because I was trying to act like town, but I had the information scum has. Thankfully, they didn't lynch me for it, but I don't want to repeat that mistake here.
The mistake of not lynching scum. The story is relevant because MiX is doing the exact same thing as I did then, as scum.
Wait, what did I do that is similar to this?
It was your whole thing of "scum have powers to block, intercept, etc. item transfer". That's the reason I'm voting for you.
Swan said that first. Can you double check?
confirmed that was me that brought up that concept.
What did mail-mi do that's so scummy?
This is for everyone.
What did mail-mi do that's so scummy?I think the number of people who were willing to dismiss the one piece of hard evidence that we have as NAI was suspicious. And mail-mi hasn't done anything that scum wouldn't do.
This is for everyone.
What did mail-mi do that's so scummy?I think the number of people who were willing to dismiss the one piece of hard evidence that we have as NAI was suspicious. And mail-mi hasn't done anything that scum wouldn't do.
This is for everyone.
Also I've come around on skip a little, his explanation made sense.
MiX: joth is definitely 100% scum and I'm sure of it
also MiX: I'll just sheep whatever joth does
:P
I agree about desperately wanting to see a night. So much so that I have considered a no lynch so we can get to it and try to figure out what’s what.If you want a night so desparately, you should probably put your vote on a wagon with more than one person. It tends to speed up the process.
But then again, Joseph. Who doesn’t seem to be around or doing much other than repeating that he’s not scum.
If joth had less votes I would vote for him, but I don't really think he's scum.I don't follow. What mistake? What's the relevance of the story?
I'm also feeling a bit more comfortable with my MiX vote. I remember in one RMM game I was in I was scum and had the power to secretly lynch someone when they were at L-1. At one point someone got to L-2 and I freaked out, saying, "What if scum has the power to lynch early? We shouldn't get people so close to being lynched!" I didn't realize it then, but I was freaking out because I was trying to act like town, but I had the information scum has. Thankfully, they didn't lynch me for it, but I don't want to repeat that mistake here.
The mistake of not lynching scum. The story is relevant because MiX is doing the exact same thing as I did then, as scum.
Wait, what did I do that is similar to this?
It was your whole thing of "scum have powers to block, intercept, etc. item transfer". That's the reason I'm voting for you.
Swan said that first. Can you double check?
confirmed that was me that brought up that concept.
And looking at it, your post bringing it up had more reason to it, so I guess just Unvote.
If I had to pick between skip and mail-mi, even though skip seems more scummy to me, I would probably go for mail-mi, because skip is at least trying to be helpful. No offense mail-mi, but don't be surprised if we lynch you because are currently being pretty anti-town.
I agree about desperately wanting to see a night. So much so that I have considered a no lynch so we can get to it and try to figure out what’s what.You want a no lynch? I know it's a BM, but still doesn't seem like a good idea to me
But then again, Joseph. Who doesn’t seem to be around or doing much other than repeating that he’s not scum.
Also lynching me is not a bad choice, so long as you lynch skip after I flip town.So what do you think happened there? What is skip's game plan?
Also lynching me is not a bad choice, so long as you lynch skip after I flip town.So what do you think happened there? What is skip's game plan?
I agree about desperately wanting to see a night. So much so that I have considered a no lynch so we can get to it and try to figure out what’s what.If you want a night so desparately, you should probably put your vote on a wagon with more than one person. It tends to speed up the process.
But then again, Joseph. Who doesn’t seem to be around or doing much other than repeating that he’s not scum.
still think mail-mi and skip are both town and am most interested in lynching someone who wants our first two lynches to be them two. seems unlikely to happen but i want to be on the record
We're getting close to deadline and I'm okay with vote: mail-mi
PPE: Do you have any posts that are scummy for mail-mi?
There's no case for mail-mi other than "well, skip is somewhat towny", what is this.We're getting close to deadline and I'm okay with vote: mail-mi
Case.PPE: Do you have any posts that are scummy for mail-mi?
This is for you ADK answer my damn question.
If mail-mi flips scum I'm gonna be upset btw.
still think mail-mi and skip are both town and am most interested in lynching someone who wants our first two lynches to be them two. seems unlikely to happen but i want to be on the recordYou could always try to offer a better solution. But that doesn't seem to be something you're interested in.
He didn't realize it after he specifically asked about whether people think two people needing the same item makes one of them scum?Also lynching me is not a bad choice, so long as you lynch skip after I flip town.So what do you think happened there? What is skip's game plan?
I think Skip thought that revealing these things about his item would be a towny thing to do and didn't realize it would put us in a 1v1.
I offered Swan, most blatant example of lining up lynches I saw. Seems only Galzria thought it was an interesting line of questioning.still think mail-mi and skip are both town and am most interested in lynching someone who wants our first two lynches to be them two. seems unlikely to happen but i want to be on the recordYou could always try to offer a better solution. But that doesn't seem to be something you're interested in.
still think mail-mi and skip are both town and am most interested in lynching someone who wants our first two lynches to be them two. seems unlikely to happen but i want to be on the recordYou could always try to offer a better solution. But that doesn't seem to be something you're interested in.
I offered Swan, most blatant example of lining up lynches I saw. Seems only Galzria thought it was an interesting line of questioning.still think mail-mi and skip are both town and am most interested in lynching someone who wants our first two lynches to be them two. seems unlikely to happen but i want to be on the recordYou could always try to offer a better solution. But that doesn't seem to be something you're interested in.
It's day 1, I'm mostly trying not to get lynched myself. To offset being not useful like that, I'm trying to take clear and strong stances in the posts I do make so if I do survive, there's something about me out there for later days.
He didn't realize it after he specifically asked about whether people think two people needing the same item makes one of them scum?Also lynching me is not a bad choice, so long as you lynch skip after I flip town.So what do you think happened there? What is skip's game plan?
I think Skip thought that revealing these things about his item would be a towny thing to do and didn't realize it would put us in a 1v1.
I could go for vote: Eevee for now.
Still planning a reread and “wall post” but may not have time until evening.
He didn't realize it after he specifically asked about whether people think two people needing the same item makes one of them scum?Also lynching me is not a bad choice, so long as you lynch skip after I flip town.So what do you think happened there? What is skip's game plan?
I think Skip thought that revealing these things about his item would be a towny thing to do and didn't realize it would put us in a 1v1.
He didn't realize it after he specifically asked about whether people think two people needing the same item makes one of them scum?Also lynching me is not a bad choice, so long as you lynch skip after I flip town.So what do you think happened there? What is skip's game plan?
I think Skip thought that revealing these things about his item would be a towny thing to do and didn't realize it would put us in a 1v1.
I didn't realize he had asked this. I need to reread him, but I know I'm town, and I think that makes him scum. Could he be town? Yes, but I don't think that's the most likely story
That wagon didn't grow initially, it was skip who got all the votes to begin with.He didn't realize it after he specifically asked about whether people think two people needing the same item makes one of them scum?Also lynching me is not a bad choice, so long as you lynch skip after I flip town.So what do you think happened there? What is skip's game plan?
I think Skip thought that revealing these things about his item would be a towny thing to do and didn't realize it would put us in a 1v1.
Neither mail-mi nor skip have a good reason for the other to enter this conflict as scum. But I think scum!skip is this crazy. Also look at how quickly the mail-mi wagon grew!
It's day 1, I'm mostly trying not to get lynched myself. To offset being not useful like that, I'm trying to take clear and strong stances in the posts I do make so if I do survive, there's something about me out there for later days.Very strange. I find that I usually can avoid being lynched by being useful, why do you think these things work against each other?
This is basically my argument against lynching one of mail-mi or skip (I don't know much about skip before the game, though, other than the awesome username).He didn't realize it after he specifically asked about whether people think two people needing the same item makes one of them scum?Also lynching me is not a bad choice, so long as you lynch skip after I flip town.So what do you think happened there? What is skip's game plan?
I think Skip thought that revealing these things about his item would be a towny thing to do and didn't realize it would put us in a 1v1.
Neither mail-mi nor skip have a good reason for the other to enter this conflict as scum. But I think scum!skip is this crazy. Also look at how quickly the mail-mi wagon grew!
I don't think putting in a lot of effort day1 is a good use of anyone's time. I would totally greenlight a random lynch -> into the night right now if I could.It's day 1, I'm mostly trying not to get lynched myself. To offset being not useful like that, I'm trying to take clear and strong stances in the posts I do make so if I do survive, there's something about me out there for later days.Very strange. I find that I usually can avoid being lynched by being useful, why do you think these things work against each other?
I don't think putting in a lot of effort day1 is a good use of anyone's time. I would totally greenlight a random lynch -> into the night right now if I could.It's day 1, I'm mostly trying not to get lynched myself. To offset being not useful like that, I'm trying to take clear and strong stances in the posts I do make so if I do survive, there's something about me out there for later days.Very strange. I find that I usually can avoid being lynched by being useful, why do you think these things work against each other?
Speaking against this 1-1 is how I'm trying to be useful too. It's not like I'm being intentionally useless, I just don't think there's much of anything I can analyze yet.
Glooble's making fun of us.
I approve of this flavor direction I've grown to love.
I wanted to vote Eevee, but I reread him and there's nothing that scummy. Something does seem off about him, but I can't put my finger on it. I guess I wouldn't be opposed to his lynch?
I wanted to vote Eevee, but I reread him and there's nothing that scummy. Something does seem off about him, but I can't put my finger on it. I guess I wouldn't be opposed to his lynch?
But he's Eevee, and like you, doesn't play with us very often. Wouldn't it be better if he could hang out for a bit?
Ah, it' nice to see baiting people to lynch me is working! Oh the towncred I'll have if I survive this!
Ah, it' nice to see baiting people to lynch me is working! Oh the towncred I'll have if I survive this!
This almost makes me want to vote you.
Eevee/skip partnership
People distracting away from the 1v1 are most likely scum if one of us turns up scum (and one of us almost definitely will (it's skip btw))
Probably not leaving there for the rest of the day.
I reread the first part of the day with Skip. So first it takes him a few posts after mine (there are three of his posts between my list and the one where he brings up that we share an item) and then he lists 3 different possibilities of what it could be. At this point, he is not making it a 1v1 but leaving it open to possibilities. Then he reveals that it's on my list, then votes for me. However, again he is not making this a 1v1 because he says right after he votes me:Probably not leaving there for the rest of the day.
So he still isn't intent on making this a 1v1. I think town would be more gungho about a 1v1 because a 1-for-1 trade town-for-scum is much better for town than it is for scum, especially this early on.
Also he allows me to claim the item I need first, so he has a plan on what to go off of. He could have lied and said he doesn't need to rope, so perhaps there are some townpoints there, but not enough to make up for what happened earlier.
There's my skip case, take it or leave it (I prefer you take it cause he's scum)
Anyway, mail-mi has come back to thread and posted and ignored my revelation so I guess there's no point waiting around any longer.
The item I need appears in mail-mi's list.
Vote: mail-mi
Probably not leaving there for the rest of the day.
Interesting. I listed the item I need plus 4 random ones. I think that makes you more likely scum than town, if you happen to need the same item I do.
vote: skip
Also, who suggested people list of what they need in the first place? The more I think of it, that seems a scummy to me.
I reread the first part of the day with Skip. So first it takes him a few posts after mine (there are three of his posts between my list and the one where he brings up that we share an item) and then he lists 3 different possibilities of what it could be. At this point, he is not making it a 1v1 but leaving it open to possibilities. Then he reveals that it's on my list, then votes for me. However, again he is not making this a 1v1 because he says right after he votes me:Probably not leaving there for the rest of the day.
So he still isn't intent on making this a 1v1. I think town would be more gungho about a 1v1 because a 1-for-1 trade town-for-scum is much better for town than it is for scum, especially this early on.
Also he allows me to claim the item I need first, so he has a plan on what to go off of. He could have lied and said he doesn't need to rope, so perhaps there are some townpoints there, but not enough to make up for what happened earlier.
There's my skip case, take it or leave it (I prefer you take it cause he's scum)
Feels to me at this point we should lynch the 1v1, and we will learn a lot from that.
If town vs town, we can give further scrutiny to those who advocated for it (myself included).
If town vs scum, we can give further scrutiny to those who were against it.
And if scum vs scum (different factions), then win-win!
I reread the first part of the day with Skip. So first it takes him a few posts after mine (there are three of his posts between my list and the one where he brings up that we share an item) and then he lists 3 different possibilities of what it could be. At this point, he is not making it a 1v1 but leaving it open to possibilities. Then he reveals that it's on my list, then votes for me. However, again he is not making this a 1v1 because he says right after he votes me:Probably not leaving there for the rest of the day.
So he still isn't intent on making this a 1v1. I think town would be more gungho about a 1v1 because a 1-for-1 trade town-for-scum is much better for town than it is for scum, especially this early on.
Also he allows me to claim the item I need first, so he has a plan on what to go off of. He could have lied and said he doesn't need to rope, so perhaps there are some townpoints there, but not enough to make up for what happened earlier.
There's my skip case, take it or leave it (I prefer you take it cause he's scum)
"Not leaving there for the rest of the day" means "Not leaving this vote for the rest of the day" which means he's not moving his vote from you which means it's a 1v1.
Are you scum?
Probably not leaving there for the rest of the day.
I guess it would be better to ask skip than argue over its meaning without the person who said it.
@skip, with this sentence:Probably not leaving there for the rest of the day.
Did you mean that your vote will not be leaving me for the rest of the day, or that you won't be leaving your vote there for the rest of the day and will move it later?
I guess it would be better to ask skip than argue over its meaning without the person who said it.
@skip, with this sentence:Probably not leaving there for the rest of the day.
Did you mean that your vote will not be leaving me for the rest of the day, or that you won't be leaving your vote there for the rest of the day and will move it later?
Of course, we won't know if the answer will really be what he meant then or what he wants us now to think what he meant then.
I guess it would be better to ask skip than argue over its meaning without the person who said it.The former. I see now how you could construe it differently.
@skip, with this sentence:Probably not leaving there for the rest of the day.
Did you mean that your vote will not be leaving me for the rest of the day, or that you won't be leaving your vote there for the rest of the day and will move it later?
@mail-mi, when I revealed that I needed an item on somebody's list, you didn't acknowledge my post at all. Did you not think it was 1v1 then?ebwop
@mail-mi, when I revealed that I needed any item on somebody's list, you didn't acknowledge my post at all. Did you not think it was 1v1 then?
You could have said "whoa, that sounds like it's probably a 1v1. Tell us whose list it was so we can proceed to decide whom to lynch."@mail-mi, when I revealed that I needed any item on somebody's list, you didn't acknowledge my post at all. Did you not think it was 1v1 then?
I mean, I figured either it was someone else's list, or it was mine, and there wasn't anything I could do about it then. I didn't know you could use rope as well.
You could have said "whoa, that sounds like it's probably a 1v1. Tell us whose list it was so we can proceed to decide whom to lynch."@mail-mi, when I revealed that I needed any item on somebody's list, you didn't acknowledge my post at all. Did you not think it was 1v1 then?
I mean, I figured either it was someone else's list, or it was mine, and there wasn't anything I could do about it then. I didn't know you could use rope as well.
You could have said "whoa, that sounds like it's probably a 1v1. Tell us whose list it was so we can proceed to decide whom to lynch."@mail-mi, when I revealed that I needed any item on somebody's list, you didn't acknowledge my post at all. Did you not think it was 1v1 then?
I mean, I figured either it was someone else's list, or it was mine, and there wasn't anything I could do about it then. I didn't know you could use rope as well.
I definitely planned my post such that scum might react differently to town. Other than that, I don't really follow you. It seems like you're blaming me for mail-mi's scummy reaction?You could have said "whoa, that sounds like it's probably a 1v1. Tell us whose list it was so we can proceed to decide whom to lynch."@mail-mi, when I revealed that I needed any item on somebody's list, you didn't acknowledge my post at all. Did you not think it was 1v1 then?
I mean, I figured either it was someone else's list, or it was mine, and there wasn't anything I could do about it then. I didn't know you could use rope as well.
It's almost like you knew exactly what was going to happen if mail-mi had answered and it's completely irrelevant for your read on him.
Almost as if you just wanted him to say it's a 1v1 so you can 1v1 him and after winning it say that he's the one with the idea so how can you be scum. And use the D2 smokescreen (there's going to be a D2 smokescreen, I can see the sparks from here) to escape being the lynch.
It's so close to this being planned by you in an attempt to make him less towny regardless of what he says. Wow. Could it be?
Joth, vote this guy up, he's scum. I know it.
Vote: skip
If mail-mi had said "whoa, that sounds like it's probably a 1v1. Tell us whose list it was so we can proceed to decide whom to lynch" would that influence your read on them in any way?
To be clear, what it looks like to me happened is as follows:You could have said "whoa, that sounds like it's probably a 1v1. Tell us whose list it was so we can proceed to decide whom to lynch."@mail-mi, when I revealed that I needed any item on somebody's list, you didn't acknowledge my post at all. Did you not think it was 1v1 then?
I mean, I figured either it was someone else's list, or it was mine, and there wasn't anything I could do about it then. I didn't know you could use rope as well.
Vote: skip
That's who I was meant to be voting for, not scola
The more I read the more skip is now trying to make this a 1v1 and just accuse mail-mi of being scum
The answer to both these questions is really the same. I don't "know" mail-mi's scum. I didn't cop him. I'm just much more confident about him than anybody else. If I had to quantify it (which is a bit silly but whatever) I'd say about 75-80%.If mail-mi had said "whoa, that sounds like it's probably a 1v1. Tell us whose list it was so we can proceed to decide whom to lynch" would that influence your read on them in any way?
Another thing: at this point you """knew""" mail-mi was scum. Why do you care about what he says, if it's not about interacting with someone else to find out who his partners are?
Ok, I've been sitting on some information and I should probably start divulging it.
The item I need has appeared in another player's list of 5.
The way I see it, there are 3 possibilities:
A)The player in question really needs a different item on their list, and totally by chance happened to put the item I need on their list.
B)The player needs the same item I need, and is town.
C)The player needs the same item I need, and is scum.
I have personal opinions on the relative likelihood of these possibilities, but I'd first like to hear from others, especially the people who have provided lists.
Vote: skip
That's who I was meant to be voting for, not scola
The more I read the more skip is now trying to make this a 1v1 and just accuse mail-mi of being scum
Man, people keep confusing us. At least this time we're in the same game. :)
I disagree that that's what my claim sounded like but I guess we won't get anywhere with that.Ok, I've been sitting on some information and I should probably start divulging it.
The item I need has appeared in another player's list of 5.
The way I see it, there are 3 possibilities:
A)The player in question really needs a different item on their list, and totally by chance happened to put the item I need on their list.
B)The player needs the same item I need, and is town.
C)The player needs the same item I need, and is scum.
I have personal opinions on the relative likelihood of these possibilities, but I'd first like to hear from others, especially the people who have provided lists.
How scum reads this post:
"I have a guilty result
The way I see it, there's 3 possiblities:
A) Bus driver
B) Miller
C) Actual scum
I'll claim who is it after reactions"
If you think anyone can read this in any other way, then ?????????
Emojis intended since every time I remove them someone quotes it and forgets to remove them so what's the point.
PPE: You're acting like he's 100% scum based on this result only tbh.
ebwopI disagree that that's what my claim sounded like but I guess we won't get anywhere with that.Ok, I've been sitting on some information and I should probably start divulging it.
The item I need has appeared in another player's list of 5.
The way I see it, there are 3 possibilities:
A)The player in question really needs a different item on their list, and totally by chance happened to put the item I need on their list.
B)The player needs the same item I need, and is town.
C)The player needs the same item I need, and is scum.
I have personal opinions on the relative likelihood of these possibilities, but I'd first like to hear from others, especially the people who have provided lists.
How scum reads this post:
"I have a guilty result
The way I see it, there's 3 possiblities:
A) Bus driver
B) Miller
C) Actual scum
I'll claim who is it after reactions"
If you think anyone can read this in any other way, then ?????????
Emojis intended since every time I remove them someone quotes it and forgets to remove them so what's the point.
PPE: You're acting like he's 100% scum based on this result only tbh.
I mean, mail-mi's explanation is he could have but didn't. So, town!mail-mi sees a potential 1v1, which should be super exciting for town, and does absolutely nothing for no reason?
I disagree that that's what my claim sounded like but I guess we won't get anywhere with that.Ok, I've been sitting on some information and I should probably start divulging it.
The item I need has appeared in another player's list of 5.
The way I see it, there are 3 possibilities:
A)The player in question really needs a different item on their list, and totally by chance happened to put the item I need on their list.
B)The player needs the same item I need, and is town.
C)The player needs the same item I need, and is scum.
I have personal opinions on the relative likelihood of these possibilities, but I'd first like to hear from others, especially the people who have provided lists.
How scum reads this post:
"I have a guilty result
The way I see it, there's 3 possiblities:
A) Bus driver
B) Miller
C) Actual scum
I'll claim who is it after reactions"
If you think anyone can read this in any other way, then ?????????
Emojis intended since every time I remove them someone quotes it and forgets to remove them so what's the point.
PPE: You're acting like he's 100% scum based on this result only tbh.
I mean, mail-mi's explanation is he could have but didn't. So, town!mail-mi sees a potential 1v1, which should be support exciting for town, and does absolutely nothing for no reason?
I disagree that that's what my claim sounded like but I guess we won't get anywhere with that.Ok, I've been sitting on some information and I should probably start divulging it.
The item I need has appeared in another player's list of 5.
The way I see it, there are 3 possibilities:
A)The player in question really needs a different item on their list, and totally by chance happened to put the item I need on their list.
B)The player needs the same item I need, and is town.
C)The player needs the same item I need, and is scum.
I have personal opinions on the relative likelihood of these possibilities, but I'd first like to hear from others, especially the people who have provided lists.
How scum reads this post:
"I have a guilty result
The way I see it, there's 3 possiblities:
A) Bus driver
B) Miller
C) Actual scum
I'll claim who is it after reactions"
If you think anyone can read this in any other way, then ?????????
Emojis intended since every time I remove them someone quotes it and forgets to remove them so what's the point.
PPE: You're acting like he's 100% scum based on this result only tbh.
I mean, mail-mi's explanation is he could have but didn't. So, town!mail-mi sees a potential 1v1, which should be support exciting for town, and does absolutely nothing for no reason?
I mean, what am I supposed to do? The information is going to come out eventually. Nothing I could or should or would have said in that time would change the outcome of the scenario.
What the hell is fence-sitting. Don't you dare introduce big boy words without an explanation.
PPE: Galz, that's exactly what I'm saying. Vote skip with me.
I think rookie scum votes for the townie here, advanced scum voted for their partner early on, and galaxy brain scum does what Galz did and tries to torpedo the whole paradigm.
Current votes (I think)
skip wooznum (5): Awaclus, mail-mi, scolapasta, Joseph, MiX
mail-mi (5): skip wooznum, LaLight, faust, WestCoastDidds, A Drowned Kernel
So 10/15 people in this town have bought into this 1v1 thing enough to place a vote. Half of them think skip is scum, half think mail-mi is. Assuming no one switches one to the other, we need three of myself, Galz, Swan, Eevee, and Sudgy to commit. Galz and Eevee don't like the 1v1. sudgy doesn't seem to either, but said he'd vote mail-mi if he had to. I've been wavering. Swan .... Swan is the one who Galz accused of lining up mislynches, but weirdly he's not on either wagon.
I like that we're neatly divided into 3 boxes. If this is a 1v1, is scum fence-sitting, bussing, or trying to get the townie lynched? I can see an argument for any of the above. I think rookie scum votes for the townie here, advanced scum voted for their partner early on, and galaxy brain scum does what Galz did and tries to torpedo the whole paradigm.
If this isn't a 1v1, scum is not incentivized to do much of anything here, other than to sit around and wait for a decision to happen. They're probably split between the two wagons, with one waiting around to drop the hammer.
So it really does seem to me that whether or not skip/mail-mi is a 1v1, there's very likely at least one scum among the uncommitted. Can I interest anyone in pivoting to a Galz lynch? Or do I need to hurry up and pick a side already?
Okay, real scumhunting related question: who's reading the champion practice game cayvie was in. Raise of hands please.
Raises handI think rookie scum votes for the townie here, advanced scum voted for their partner early on, and galaxy brain scum does what Galz did and tries to torpedo the whole paradigm.
Does that make skip and mail-mi automatically rookies?
PPE: Thanks.
Well Joseph didn't consider it a 1v1 at all so he reacted pretty normally for someone who liked option D the best.I disagree that that's what my claim sounded like but I guess we won't get anywhere with that.Ok, I've been sitting on some information and I should probably start divulging it.
The item I need has appeared in another player's list of 5.
The way I see it, there are 3 possibilities:
A)The player in question really needs a different item on their list, and totally by chance happened to put the item I need on their list.
B)The player needs the same item I need, and is town.
C)The player needs the same item I need, and is scum.
I have personal opinions on the relative likelihood of these possibilities, but I'd first like to hear from others, especially the people who have provided lists.
How scum reads this post:
"I have a guilty result
The way I see it, there's 3 possiblities:
A) Bus driver
B) Miller
C) Actual scum
I'll claim who is it after reactions"
If you think anyone can read this in any other way, then ?????????
Emojis intended since every time I remove them someone quotes it and forgets to remove them so what's the point.
PPE: You're acting like he's 100% scum based on this result only tbh.
I mean, mail-mi's explanation is he could have but didn't. So, town!mail-mi sees a potential 1v1, which should be support exciting for town, and does absolutely nothing for no reason?
I mean, what am I supposed to do? The information is going to come out eventually. Nothing I could or should or would have said in that time would change the outcome of the scenario.
Skip, nobody else with a posted list reacted in the way you’re expecting town!mail-mi to have done. The fact that the item was on his list is irrelevant, no? At the time you were supposedly looking for responses, mail-mi knew just as little as everybody else.
I actually accused you of lining up mislynches, with Datswan supporting you and Scola being led astray by your arguments. The fact that you have been pushing and pushing and pushing this 1v1 but not taking sides yourself has NOT gone unnoticed.
What the hell is fence-sitting. Don't you dare introduce big boy words without an explanation.
PPE: Galz, that's exactly what I'm saying. Vote skip with me.
The fact that you have been pushing and pushing and pushing this 1v1
Galz, why did you vote for ADK when you came in and told us all the 1v1 was dumb. You FOS'd me and Swan and scola, but you voted ADK.
So it really does seem to me that whether or not skip/mail-mi is a 1v1, there's very likely at least one scum among the uncommitted. Can I interest anyone in pivoting to a Galz lynch? Or do I need to hurry up and pick a side already?If you wanted to get another wagon started, then it's not a smart move to pick the person who would be most willing to join such a wagon.
I mean I'm still up for the joth lynch. But that has the same problem of course.
MiX - why is anyone that wants to lynch Joth skum?
MiX - why is anyone that wants to lynch Joth skum?
Because he's town.
Not the answer you wanted but you ain't getting anything else.
MiX - why is anyone that wants to lynch Joth skum?
Because he's town.
Not the answer you wanted but you ain't getting anything else.
It's shocking town ever wins these games. I mean, considering every player that has ever wanted to lynch another town player is scum... scum just seriously outnumbers town...
MiX - why is anyone that wants to lynch Joth skum?
Because he's town.
Not the answer you wanted but you ain't getting anything else.
MiX - why is anyone that wants to lynch Joth skum?
Because he's town.
Not the answer you wanted but you ain't getting anything else.
I didn't have an answer I wanted. But this is... a bad one.
what's false? that joth is town?
what's false? that joth is town?
what's false? that joth is town?
Yes. Maybe idk what joth is.
More that I don't wanna answer your question and I don't like to just say "No", but I should've.
you do do a lot of demanding of answers for someone that is unwilling to answer inherently simple ones though. just saying.
you do do a lot of demanding of answers for someone that is unwilling to answer inherently simple ones though. just saying.
shrug
What did you expect anyway, me casing everyone who says "I think joth can be scum"? I just think joth shouldn't be considered today. And I also think considering him is scummy.
Swoon...
you do do a lot of demanding of answers for someone that is unwilling to answer inherently simple ones though. just saying.
shrug
What did you expect anyway, me casing everyone who says "I think joth can be scum"? I just think joth shouldn't be considered today. And I also think considering him is scummy.
well no.. .I mean if you gave a list of like 1-2-x people and said if they voted for Joth it would be skummy then yeah, list would be the question.
But you are presenting a situation in which "anyone" that votes for Joth is skum. or skummy. or whatever.
So I assume you have a general reason behind that other than "you find joth townie" because you are adept enough to accept that there will be town players in this game that do not share your general read on Joth.
Swoon...
if this is supposed to be a Sean Connery thing I love you
Regarding skip vs. mail-mi, I'll wait until mail-mi chimes in. I would be a bit worried in assuming that one of them has to be scum, but I can at least see the merit in lynching one of them today.
I want to think a bit more about the people in this game and reread some to figure out where my vote would be best, but I have classes right now. I'll look closer tonight, will vote then, and will try to be around for deadline tomorrow if I have to. I know that if I had to, I would prefer lynching skip or mail-mi over a no lynch, so I would vote for either if I have to.
you do do a lot of demanding of answers for someone that is unwilling to answer inherently simple ones though. just saying.
shrug
What did you expect anyway, me casing everyone who says "I think joth can be scum"? I just think joth shouldn't be considered today. And I also think considering him is scummy.
well no.. .I mean if you gave a list of like 1-2-x people and said if they voted for Joth it would be skummy then yeah, list would be the question.
But you are presenting a situation in which "anyone" that votes for Joth is skum. or skummy. or whatever.
So I assume you have a general reason behind that other than "you find joth townie" because you are adept enough to accept that there will be town players in this game that do not share your general read on Joth.
Good catch.
I'm trying to not do what scum!me would do, and it's hard, because I want to do it so badly. Scum!me would've said what I'm thinking about. Town!me is scared.Swoon...
if this is supposed to be a Sean Connery thing I love you
What if not hmmmmmmmmmmm Swan what if not.
*insert joke about you asking another question here*
had to do it sorry.
you can get crazy sometimes (in a good way). can you paint me a narrative in which skum opts into a 1v1 like this on Day 1?
IDK what exactly you were wanting from "closed door" but this is what I see from a quick read:
On Mail Mi: WCD, ADK, LaLight
On Skip: Scola, Joseph, Awaclus, MiX
Could go both ways: Sudgy, Joth, faust
Not for either: Swan
And then Galz. who "has their mind made up" but realistically for this should be under "could go both ways".
IDK what exactly you were wanting from "closed door" but this is what I see from a quick read:
On Mail Mi: WCD, ADK, LaLight
On Skip: Scola, Joseph, Awaclus, MiX
Could go both ways: Sudgy, Joth, faust
Not for either: Swan
And then Galz. who "has their mind made up" but realistically for this should be under "could go both ways".
Well I can't speak for anyone else, but I'm able to lynch someone else, and I'm sure more people are. Can't see how faust's position is different.
So you're scumreading the "could go both ways" group?
IDK what exactly you were wanting from "closed door" but this is what I see from a quick read:
On Mail Mi: WCD, ADK, LaLight
On Skip: Scola, Joseph, Awaclus, MiX
Could go both ways: Sudgy, Joth, faust
Not for either: Swan
And then Galz. who "has their mind made up" but realistically for this should be under "could go both ways".
Well I can't speak for anyone else, but I'm able to lynch someone else, and I'm sure more people are. Can't see how faust's position is different.
So you're scumreading the "could go both ways" group?
Anyone else in particular, or just "someone else"?
I’m not going to get to a big post tonight. I did start a reread. I’ll vote tomorrow morning.
Ok, if there are people who need specific items, and we want to try and get them to them, then how about this for a plan: everyone posts a list of five items. If you need an item, you include in your list, alongside four things that you just make up. You don't need an item you just make up five things. If you see an item you have on someone's list, you can make a somewhat informed decision about whether or not to give it to them. Gives people some guidance on giving items while giving scum very little actual information.
Thoughts?
Ok so I was in a huge rush when I posted the plan, and I'm just logging on again now.
Obviously it was not fully thought through. People don't need to post what they have. Overtly posting what you need is also bad. But I think the part about trying to hide the item you need into your post has merit. Except maybe the person who needs the item I have, probably you shouldn't put the word in your post anymore, because people will catch it. That's my bad for describing the word. Sorry. I was roped into this game without warning right before a 24 hour period when I knew I would not be able to post. I had a brief amount of time to read my role and the thread, and I thought of the plan. My choices were to post it immediately or wait until after the 24 hour dark period, and considering that we're dealing with a short game-day I chose the former. So, as I said, it wasn't fully thought through.
Catching up now.
I like ADK's plan. I'll start. We're listing items we need right?
Blueberries
Rope
Camera
Glasses
Hat
Ok, I've been sitting on some information and I should probably start divulging it.
The item I need has appeared in another player's list of 5.
The way I see it, there are 3 possibilities:
A)The player in question really needs a different item on their list, and totally by chance happened to put the item I need on their list.
B)The player needs the same item I need, and is town.
C)The player needs the same item I need, and is scum.
I have personal opinions on the relative likelihood of these possibilities, but I'd first like to hear from others, especially the people who have provided lists.
Interesting. But I don't think I could answer A without knowing what the item name is (which isn't me asking you to claim it)To be honest, this is a pretty strange situation and I'm unsure where to go from here. Should I claim more? Should I wait for the other list posters to say more? The thing is, I want the person who posted my item to say more stuff before he's sure he's the one who posted my item. On the other hand it's probably bad for the other list posters to start saying things, because they're not really involved and should not be forced to claim anything further. So I'm more or less at a loss and have been for some time.
Anyway, mail-mi has come back to thread and posted and ignored my revelation so I guess there's no point waiting around any longer.
The item I need appears in mail-mi's list.
Vote: mail-mi
Probably not leaving there for the rest of the day.
Swoon...
if this is supposed to be a Sean Connery thing I love you
My brain is fried. Students are hard! And virtual students are even harder because all the faces are close up and intense.
Swan, all the the reindeer games with Mixalot....any conclusions?
Mixy, ride or die with Joth? I think he’s town, too, but this seems over the top.
Galzy, whatcha thinking? Also, high five on the day drinking.
ADK....can you make heads or tails of any of this? I feel like we’re all talking in circles, but your position seems close to my own.
Wall postSo I'm not going to quote the whole wall post but I will address the points made, even though I feel like I've already done so, and I feel like it won't change your mind. Maybe I'll convince Joseph or pasta. I hope it's clear which point I'm responding to with each of my statements.
1)It would be trivially easy to explain my use of the word rope as just a random use of the word rope. Moreover, it is fairly unlikely anyone would have ever even have noticed it. The rope giver would have just given the rope to mail-mi, and that would be that. Why would they scour the thread for crumbs once mail-mi explicitly listed rope? (This is the main reason everyone should know I'm town.)
Also, keep in mind that I like on the west coast, so I'll only be around very close to the deadline.
1)It would be trivially easy to explain my use of the word rope as just a random use of the word rope. Moreover, it is fairly unlikely anyone would have ever even have noticed it. The rope giver would have just given the rope to mail-mi, and that would be that. Why would they scour the thread for crumbs once mail-mi explicitly listed rope? (This is the main reason everyone should know I'm town.)
Are you saying that you didn't use the word rope there purposefully? Why #1 a reason we should know you are town?
Yes. This.1)It would be trivially easy to explain my use of the word rope as just a random use of the word rope. Moreover, it is fairly unlikely anyone would have ever even have noticed it. The rope giver would have just given the rope to mail-mi, and that would be that. Why would they scour the thread for crumbs once mail-mi explicitly listed rope? (This is the main reason everyone should know I'm town.)
Are you saying that you didn't use the word rope there purposefully? Why #1 a reason we should know you are town?
He's saying that as scum, he could have explained it like that. Instead, he chose to go into the 1v1.
Anyone interested in vote: awaclus?
Intent to hammer
Where's mail-mi?
Wall postSo I'm not going to quote the whole wall post but I will address the points made, even though I feel like I've already done so, and I feel like it won't change your mind. Maybe I'll convince Joseph or pasta. I hope it's clear which point I'm responding to with each of my statements.
1)It would be trivially easy to explain my use of the word rope as just a random use of the word rope. Moreover, it is fairly unlikely anyone would have ever even have noticed it. The rope giver would have just given the rope to mail-mi, and that would be that. Why would they scour the thread for crumbs once mail-mi explicitly listed rope? (This is the main reason everyone should know I'm town.)
2)I deliberately waited to counterclaim mail-mi because I didn't want him to know initially that he was the one I was countering, and the only way to do that was by waiting for others to claim.
3)The doubt I was expressing in my post of doubt-expression was that I was unsure if getting a reaction (or non-reaction, as it were) from mail-mi and others was worth the risk of, say, Joseph inadvertently revealing more about the stuff he needs. This was genuine doubt I felt at the time. I made a decision, but I was unsure if it was the right one.
4)You seem to be saying that my reason for doing all this is to get mail-mi lynched and get the rope. I think it's fairly obvious that if mail-mi flips town, I won't be getting the rope.
Intent to hammer
Where's mail-mi?
idk. We've waited this long. I guess I'd rather wait the last 4 hours in case he turns up with a claim or useful info.
Anyone interested in vote: awaclus?
no
Intent to hammer
Where's mail-mi?
Which position is that?
Honestly, I was a bit taken aback by people being so quick to follow my plan, but my gut reaction is that getting this kind of thing out there is at least useful in getting the game going
If there is scum in mix and skip: scum is probably in the sidelines, because in that case lynching in the 1v1 is bad for them regardless of which one flips. As someone who was scum in the gladiator game being in position where you're forced into that dichotomy is very uncomfortable, and I think they would want to shift away from that
If it's town vs town... then scum's wherever.
Mail-mi, if it is town v town....who is scum?
So honestly I saw this coming. I mean realistically it was either me or skip. It's skip of course, and you'll see that once I flip town. I made a little case, though it wasn't the most thorough or convincing thing in the world but hey it was a case. I also love how no one has actually seriously made a case on me other than "he's antitown" which isn't much of a case (especially because I wanted to just take some time to have fun because of some other intense games) and being on the other side of the skip 1v1
In fact, isn't it telling how my wagon just formed without a case, while there have been actual cases on skip that have been okay at least and his wagon has just stalled?
Mail-mi, fakeclaim.
So honestly I saw this coming. I mean realistically it was either me or skip. It's skip of course, and you'll see that once I flip town. I made a little case, though it wasn't the most thorough or convincing thing in the world but hey it was a case. I also love how no one has actually seriously made a case on me other than "he's antitown" which isn't much of a case (especially because I wanted to just take some time to have fun because of some other intense games) and being on the other side of the skip 1v1
In fact, isn't it telling how my wagon just formed without a case, while there have been actual cases on skip that have been okay at least and his wagon has just stalled?
I just can't get past what I posted ... if you can sell me on why scum!skip would take this unnecessary risk on day 1, I will switch my vote to him.
Mail-mi, fakeclaim.
Hahahahahahahahaha
Mail-mi, fullclaim.
Mail-mi, fakeclaim.
Hahahahahahahahaha
Mail-mi, fullclaim.
Give it a minute. My role is better for town if it's not outed immediately. If I have to I will, but we still have 1.5 hours and I can be on the whole time.
Mail-mi, fakeclaim.
I reread the first part of the day with Skip. So first it takes him a few posts after mine (there are three of his posts between my list and the one where he brings up that we share an item) and then he lists 3 different possibilities of what it could be. At this point, he is not making it a 1v1 but leaving it open to possibilities. Then he reveals that it's on my list, then votes for me. However, again he is not making this a 1v1 because he says right after he votes me:Probably not leaving there for the rest of the day.
So he still isn't intent on making this a 1v1. I think town would be more gungho about a 1v1 because a 1-for-1 trade town-for-scum is much better for town than it is for scum, especially this early on.
Also he allows me to claim the item I need first, so he has a plan on what to go off of. He could have lied and said he doesn't need to rope, so perhaps there are some townpoints there, but not enough to make up for what happened earlier.
There's my skip case, take it or leave it (I prefer you take it cause he's scum)
I reread the first part of the day with Skip. So first it takes him a few posts after mine (there are three of his posts between my list and the one where he brings up that we share an item) and then he lists 3 different possibilities of what it could be. At this point, he is not making it a 1v1 but leaving it open to possibilities. Then he reveals that it's on my list, then votes for me. However, again he is not making this a 1v1 because he says right after he votes me:Probably not leaving there for the rest of the day.
So he still isn't intent on making this a 1v1. I think town would be more gungho about a 1v1 because a 1-for-1 trade town-for-scum is much better for town than it is for scum, especially this early on.
Also he allows me to claim the item I need first, so he has a plan on what to go off of. He could have lied and said he doesn't need to rope, so perhaps there are some townpoints there, but not enough to make up for what happened earlier.
There's my skip case, take it or leave it (I prefer you take it cause he's scum)
Also of note that I was the first to pronounce him as scum more definitively, in this post:Anyway, mail-mi has come back to thread and posted and ignored my revelation so I guess there's no point waiting around any longer.
The item I need appears in mail-mi's list.
Vote: mail-mi
Probably not leaving there for the rest of the day.
Interesting. I listed the item I need plus 4 random ones. I think that makes you more likely scum than town, if you happen to need the same item I do.
vote: skip
So I pushed more for the 1v1 than skip.
My role is better for town if it's not outed immediately.I see, unlike the many roles that are best when outed at the start of the game.
::)My role is better for town if it's not outed immediately.I see, unlike the many roles that are best when outed at the start of the game.
I will claim when there's about an hour left til deadline
I will claim when there's about an hour left til deadline
So in 20 minutes? I’m not sure why on the delay
mail-mi, claiming now is best, in case it makes us not want to lynch you. We don't have time at this point to lynch anybody else, and your stalling is making it more scummy.
Didds, I'm from Portland.
Skip is at L-2 now
Sudgy, I love Portland! Covid stole my the trip we had planned in May. Between wine, beer, edible, and good ice cream it’s the stuff of dreams!
Breakfast is fair. and feels less arbitrary than an hour.
Good morning, Galzy!
Your case was based on a misintepretation, skip pushed the 1v1 more than you.
Cool claim? Do you not have an item?
Skip, are you here? Thoughts?
For the record, I feel like tying people up to jailkeep them is a bit of a stretch. What if he's a scum roleblocker and made up the doc part?
For the record, I feel like tying people up to jailkeep them is a bit of a stretch. What if he's a scum roleblocker and made up the doc part?
For the record, I feel like tying people up to jailkeep them is a bit of a stretch. What if he's a scum roleblocker and made up the doc part?
Weird, I presumed one of skip/mail had the rope-becomes-JK part.
Mail-mi's obv!town btw. Hammer withdrawn
For the record, I feel like tying people up to jailkeep them is a bit of a stretch. What if he's a scum roleblocker and made up the doc part?
Weird, I presumed one of skip/mail had the rope-becomes-JK part.
Mail-mi's obv!town btw. Hammer withdrawn
What could a baseball cap do? If MM gets lynched, whomever needs the cap can’t get it.
What could a baseball cap do? If MM gets lynched, whomever needs the cap can’t get it.
What indeed.
There are a handful of us here....lynch MM, lynch skip, or no lynch are the most plausible options.
The stuff component make a lynch more consequential than usual (and interesting! Thanks Glooble!) so not lynching is perhaps advantageous.
Unless a ball cap is not at all valuable....
What could a baseball cap do? If MM gets lynched, whomever needs the cap can’t get it.
What indeed.
Come on, Galzy. Drop some knowledge on me.
I guess I can switch to skip to get a lynch.
Point of note: Skip is the first to claim an item, in post #100. So before even ADK's plan, Skip is out there claiming stuff. Sounds like a way to goad out other claims, which is scummy.
He also continually clarifies himself about his "I have an item to give to someone plan." I find myself correcting my plans and finetuning them unnecessarily more as scum so I don't get caught with a bad, scummy plan.
Before skip goes for me, he's not pushing a 1v1. He's keeping his options open, asking others about what he should do, etc. Not until after I post does he vote for me, and he does say he's going to leave it there for the rest of the day. So he pushes the 1v1 more than I thought he did, but what else does he do at that point?
He also allows me to claim the item first, leaving all his options open again.
Also, his defense at post 316 is perfect for tomorrow when I flip town. "Come on, you think I'd do this as scum? I'm not that dumb." It's a bunch of WIFOM that doesn't turn out to be a good defense.
Also there's his unreasonable expectation of me, which Galz pointed out, that no other person who posted a list said "Whoa this is a potential 1v1, we should look into this." Not necessarily alignment indicative, but it's still there.
What could a baseball cap do? If MM gets lynched, whomever needs the cap can’t get it.
What indeed.
Come on, Galzy. Drop some knowledge on me.
I'm waitin' on you! No?
I find all of this to be a bit silly, because I feel like all of the stuff skip has done makes sense as town.
I guess I can switch to skip to get a lynch.
Convenient
Point of note: Skip is the first to claim an item, in post #100. So before even ADK's plan, Skip is out there claiming stuff. Sounds like a way to goad out other claims, which is scummy.
He also continually clarifies himself about his "I have an item to give to someone plan." I find myself correcting my plans and finetuning them unnecessarily more as scum so I don't get caught with a bad, scummy plan.
Before skip goes for me, he's not pushing a 1v1. He's keeping his options open, asking others about what he should do, etc. Not until after I post does he vote for me, and he does say he's going to leave it there for the rest of the day. So he pushes the 1v1 more than I thought he did, but what else does he do at that point?
He also allows me to claim the item first, leaving all his options open again.
Also, his defense at post 316 is perfect for tomorrow when I flip town. "Come on, you think I'd do this as scum? I'm not that dumb." It's a bunch of WIFOM that doesn't turn out to be a good defense.
Also there's his unreasonable expectation of me, which Galz pointed out, that no other person who posted a list said "Whoa this is a potential 1v1, we should look into this." Not necessarily alignment indicative, but it's still there.
I find all of this to be a bit silly, because I feel like all of the stuff skip has done makes sense as town.
What could a baseball cap do? If MM gets lynched, whomever needs the cap can’t get it.
What indeed.
Come on, Galzy. Drop some knowledge on me.
I'm waitin' on you! No?
Not me. I don’t need the baseball cap, and I don’t have any guesses
Point of note: Skip is the first to claim an item, in post #100. So before even ADK's plan, Skip is out there claiming stuff. Sounds like a way to goad out other claims, which is scummy.
He also continually clarifies himself about his "I have an item to give to someone plan." I find myself correcting my plans and finetuning them unnecessarily more as scum so I don't get caught with a bad, scummy plan.
Before skip goes for me, he's not pushing a 1v1. He's keeping his options open, asking others about what he should do, etc. Not until after I post does he vote for me, and he does say he's going to leave it there for the rest of the day. So he pushes the 1v1 more than I thought he did, but what else does he do at that point?
He also allows me to claim the item first, leaving all his options open again.
Also, his defense at post 316 is perfect for tomorrow when I flip town. "Come on, you think I'd do this as scum? I'm not that dumb." It's a bunch of WIFOM that doesn't turn out to be a good defense.
Also there's his unreasonable expectation of me, which Galz pointed out, that no other person who posted a list said "Whoa this is a potential 1v1, we should look into this." Not necessarily alignment indicative, but it's still there.
I find all of this to be a bit silly, because I feel like all of the stuff skip has done makes sense as town.
It also makes sense as scum. Scum want to make sense as well, you see.
Point of note: Skip is the first to claim an item, in post #100. So before even ADK's plan, Skip is out there claiming stuff. Sounds like a way to goad out other claims, which is scummy.
He also continually clarifies himself about his "I have an item to give to someone plan." I find myself correcting my plans and finetuning them unnecessarily more as scum so I don't get caught with a bad, scummy plan.
Before skip goes for me, he's not pushing a 1v1. He's keeping his options open, asking others about what he should do, etc. Not until after I post does he vote for me, and he does say he's going to leave it there for the rest of the day. So he pushes the 1v1 more than I thought he did, but what else does he do at that point?
He also allows me to claim the item first, leaving all his options open again.
Also, his defense at post 316 is perfect for tomorrow when I flip town. "Come on, you think I'd do this as scum? I'm not that dumb." It's a bunch of WIFOM that doesn't turn out to be a good defense.
Also there's his unreasonable expectation of me, which Galz pointed out, that no other person who posted a list said "Whoa this is a potential 1v1, we should look into this." Not necessarily alignment indicative, but it's still there.
I find all of this to be a bit silly, because I feel like all of the stuff skip has done makes sense as town.
It also makes sense as scum. Scum want to make sense as well, you see.
Yeah, but scum is statistically less likely than town. You want to find stuff that makes sense as scum but not as town.
What could a baseball cap do? If MM gets lynched, whomever needs the cap can’t get it.
What indeed.
Come on, Galzy. Drop some knowledge on me.
I'm waitin' on you! No?
Not me. I don’t need the baseball cap, and I don’t have any guesses
Ah, well, nevermind then. I'll say that if I *had* the baseball cap to give, you would've been the person I sent it to. But I don't know any more about it than you do it seems.
Unofficial Vote Count
skip wooznum (6): Awaclus, mail-mi, scolapasta, MiX, Joseph2303, Galzria
mail-mi (6): skip wooznum, LaLight, faust, A Drowned Kernel, sudgy, jotheonah
Awaclus (1): Eevee
Not voting (1): DatSwan
Unofficial Vote Count
skip wooznum (6): Awaclus, mail-mi, scolapasta, MiX, Joseph2303, Galzria
mail-mi (6): skip wooznum, LaLight, faust, A Drowned Kernel, sudgy, jotheonah
Awaclus (1): Eevee
Not voting (1): DatSwan
Something's not right here, you have 14 people listed here when 15 are playing.
Unofficial Vote Count
skip wooznum (6): Awaclus, mail-mi, scolapasta, MiX, Joseph2303, Galzria
mail-mi (6): skip wooznum, LaLight, faust, A Drowned Kernel, sudgy, jotheonah
Awaclus (1): Eevee
Not voting (1): DatSwan
He’s missing me. I’m not voting
Something's not right here, you have 14 people listed here when 15 are playing.
Any inclination toward Awaclus?
Any inclination toward Awaclus?
Any inclination toward Awaclus?
Is there any case there besides him doing what he always does?
Ppe: 1
Any inclination toward Awaclus?
I'm still dowm to 1v1, idk.
I'm townreading the crap out of mail-mi but he can be scum, reverse for skip.
What else is there anyway?
This is exactly my role as well...mail-mi, claiming now is best, in case it makes us not want to lynch you. We don't have time at this point to lynch anybody else, and your stalling is making it more scummy.
Didds, I'm from Portland.
The good thing is, I just got to my computer and my poptarts are in the toaster, so I'm good now.
I am a Sailor, and my PM says I'm pretty good with rope and I can tie people up if I get one, which protects them and roleblocks them. So I'm a VT without the rope, a Jailkeeper with it.
This is exactly my role as well...mail-mi, claiming now is best, in case it makes us not want to lynch you. We don't have time at this point to lynch anybody else, and your stalling is making it more scummy.
Didds, I'm from Portland.
The good thing is, I just got to my computer and my poptarts are in the toaster, so I'm good now.
I am a Sailor, and my PM says I'm pretty good with rope and I can tie people up if I get one, which protects them and roleblocks them. So I'm a VT without the rope, a Jailkeeper with it.
I don't know whay that means though.
I can see VTs who have the ability to become PRs with the same item, so the limitation is the availability of the item.yes.
Skip, do you have an item to give? (Just if, not what)
Given that we have exact same flavor, I think mail-mi is probably town
What's the vote count?
I would go to awaclus.What's the vote count?
6 on both of us, 1 on awaclus, 2 off.
Given that we have exact same flavor, I think mail-mi is probably town
Well thanks, but it would also make sense to have one good sailor one bad sailor. I still think I'd prefer to lynch you over anyone else, mostly because I don't know if we can get someone else in 20min.
I don't know. Uch what a messGiven that we have exact same flavor, I think mail-mi is probably town
Well thanks, but it would also make sense to have one good sailor one bad sailor. I still think I'd prefer to lynch you over anyone else, mostly because I don't know if we can get someone else in 20min.
Do you prefer lynching him over no lynch?
I don’t think I’m willing to risk losing the items they have to give to lynch a VT.
Whomever has the rope will have to make the call on who is to be trusted with it.
But I doubt this will actually happen. Who's online?
But I doubt this will actually happen. Who's online?It says 9 of us
Given that we have exact same flavor, I think mail-mi is probably town
Well thanks, but it would also make sense to have one good sailor one bad sailor. I still think I'd prefer to lynch you over anyone else, mostly because I don't know if we can get someone else in 20min.
Do you prefer lynching him over no lynch?
But I doubt this will actually happen. Who's online?It says 9 of us
I don’t think I’m willing to risk losing the items they have to give to lynch a VT.
Whomever has the rope will have to make the call on who is to be trusted with it.
I mean, I'm doubtful that the value of any item is in and of itself worth not lynching somebody. That is, I don't think a No-Lynch is the default play to avoid lynching somebody with an item to give. I assume most people have items to give, so that road doesn't really lead anywhere.
And there's a strong argument that lynching a VT now is better than randomly lynching and hitting a PR instead. Especially given the 20 minutes we have until deadline.
The question then is, on D1 (moreso than most other days, I think), is a VT lynch worse than a no-lynch? What if there's a chance that the assumed VT is scum?
15min left.
I don't think awaclus is gonna happen.
I'll give it a couple more minutes though
But I doubt this will actually happen. Who's online?It says 9 of us
Didds, you don't want to lynch either of the essentially claimed VT's because the items that they hold will be lost - do you honestly think randomly swinging the lynch to Awaclus will have better results? There's a chance he's scum, yes. But there's also a chance he's a PR - and almost a certainty that he too has an item to give... and that he won't get to claim that item.
This is exactly my role as well...mail-mi, claiming now is best, in case it makes us not want to lynch you. We don't have time at this point to lynch anybody else, and your stalling is making it more scummy.
Didds, I'm from Portland.
The good thing is, I just got to my computer and my poptarts are in the toaster, so I'm good now.
I am a Sailor, and my PM says I'm pretty good with rope and I can tie people up if I get one, which protects them and roleblocks them. So I'm a VT without the rope, a Jailkeeper with it.
I don't know whay that means though.
One good sailor and one evil sailor? I honestly don't know.
Vote: Awaclus - let's see.
But I doubt this will actually happen. Who's online?It says 9 of us
Didds, you don't want to lynch either of the essentially claimed VT's because the items that they hold will be lost - do you honestly think randomly swinging the lynch to Awaclus will have better results? There's a chance he's scum, yes. But there's also a chance he's a PR - and almost a certainty that he too has an item to give... and that he won't get to claim that item.
Fair enough. But there is a greater chance he is scum than skip or mm, who I think are town. Chance at scum v pretty sure town seems reasonable
(The last time I felt like this is when we lynched you in the BM where we were all different scum)
You’d rather lynch skip than mm?
MiX railing here makes me like the Awaclus lynch more.
In center of the town, the mob prepared for justice.
"We have to lynch someone!" said one. "Who has the rope?"
The rest of the mob turned on him. "What did you say?"
With 15 alive, it takes 8 to lynch?. Deadline is April 29th at noon ET. That's in fifteen minutes.
Vote Count 1.8:
skip wooznum (4): scolapasta, MiX, Joseph2303, Galzria
mail-mi (6): skip wooznum, LaLight, faust, A Drowned Kernel, sudgy, jotheonah
Awaclus (4): Eevee, WestCoastDidds, skip wooznum, mail-mi
Not voting (1): DatSwan
I can see VTs who have the ability to become PRs with the same item, so the limitation is the availability of the item.
Skip, do you have an item to give? (Just if, not what)
Vote: Awaclus
I figure it’s somewhat better than random
MiX railing here makes me like the Awaclus lynch more.
Also, zero of my scum reads that have been online have moved over here. That's also promising.
MiX railing here makes me like the Awaclus lynch more.
Also, zero of my scum reads that have been online have moved over here. That's also promising.
I'm here.
The thing about both of them having the same role makes me slightly less inclined to lynch mail-mi. But probably not enough to join a random last-minute Awaclus wagon.
Joth, LL, MiX, ADK, (sudgy) have all been on and posting in the last 20 minutes.
Skip took quite literally the easiest fakeclaim anyone could, and honestly this explains why scum's in the 1v1, they want to deny the other sailor the rope.
In center of the town, the mob prepared for justice.
"We have to lynch someone!" said one. "Who has the rope?"
The rest of the mob turned on him. "What did you say?"
With 15 alive, it takes 8 to lynch?. Deadline is April 29th at noon ET. That's in fifteen minutes.
Vote Count 1.8:
skip wooznum (4): scolapasta, MiX, Joseph2303, Galzria
mail-mi (6): skip wooznum, LaLight, faust, A Drowned Kernel, sudgy, jotheonah
Awaclus (4): Eevee, WestCoastDidds, skip wooznum, mail-mi
Not voting (1): DatSwan
Glooble, skip is on here voting twice and Awaclus isn’t on here.
Serious FOS on MiX.
Serious FOS on MiX.
vote: awaclus
Serious FOS on MiX.
I hate every town on this wagon.
Awaclus is town we were masons.
Death to every single random wagon on Awaclus.
Good fucking night scum, NK me, I'm done.
oh goshI hate every town on this wagon.
Awaclus is town we were masons.
Death to every single random wagon on Awaclus.
Good fucking night scum, NK me, I'm done.
Why didn't you say this earlier?!?!?!
oh goshI hate every town on this wagon.
Awaclus is town we were masons.
Death to every single random wagon on Awaclus.
Good fucking night scum, NK me, I'm done.
Why didn't you say this earlier?!?!?!
Oh man MiX, you misplayed here, don't put this on us.
PPE: I'm lying btw good reactions and good night.
I am not Masons with MiX.
No lynch is anti-town. I would have gone for skip, but I couldn't go back to check the vote count. Had your count been accurate then skip would have been lynched.Oh man MiX, you misplayed here, don't put this on us.
Regardless of my information why would you hammer Awaclus he did literally nothing. Who gets the rope now? No one. Excellent.
This conflict will continue and will be solved tomorrow all we did was postpone the inevitable.
Anti-town.
PPE: I'm lying btw good reactions and good night.
PPE: I'm lying btw good reactions and good night.I love this though.
I am not Masons with MiX.
Fullclaim please.
PPE: I'm lying btw good reactions and good night.I love this though.
I am not Masons with MiX.
Fullclaim please.
Why? Seems like either I'm dead or we reached deadline with no lynch.
We also have to make sure we don’t break the rules about secret codes. This plan doesn’t run afoul of the no cryptography rule does it?
I am not Masons with MiX.
We also have to make sure we don’t break the rules about secret codes. This plan doesn’t run afoul of the no cryptography rule does it?
This was me breadcrumbing it. All I knew was that I needed soemthing written in a secret code.
Fine, I have an ugly hat which gives hated to whoever has it. I don't know more about my role than what the flip tells you.
We also have to make sure we don’t break the rules about secret codes. This plan doesn’t run afoul of the no cryptography rule does it?
This was me breadcrumbing it. All I knew was that I needed soemthing written in a secret code.
Breadcrumbing what, sorry, I might've missed something you said.
No lynch is also anti-town, fair, but Awaclus lynch gives us nothing other than a town flip.Well now he might still be scum? But yes, I don't have very high hopes.
We also have to make sure we don’t break the rules about secret codes. This plan doesn’t run afoul of the no cryptography rule does it?
This was me breadcrumbing it. All I knew was that I needed soemthing written in a secret code.
Breadcrumbing what, sorry, I might've missed something you said.
That I need the notebook skip has.
No lynch is also anti-town, fair, but Awaclus lynch gives us nothing other than a town flip.Well now he might still be scum? But yes, I don't have very high hopes.
I don’t know what to think about MiX here. Is he town?Yep.
I don’t know what to think about MiX here. Is he town?
I don’t know what to think about MiX here. Is he town?
You guys remember LaLL? That's why I was fine voting Awaclus.
Like town enough to trust him with the item that he probably needs town?
PPE: 2
Final Vote Count:
skip wooznum (4): Awaclus, scolapasta, MiX, Joseph2303
mail-mi (3): faust, A Drowned Kernel, jotheonah
Awaclus (7): Eevee, WestCoastDidds, skip wooznum, mail-mi, Galzria, LaLight, sudgy
Not voting (1): DatSwan
With 15 alive, it took 7 to lynch.
Final Vote Count:
skip wooznum (4): Awaclus, scolapasta, MiX, Joseph2303
mail-mi (3): faust, A Drowned Kernel, jotheonah
Awaclus (7): Eevee, WestCoastDidds, skip wooznum, mail-mi, Galzria, LaLight, sudgy
Not voting (1): DatSwan
With 15 alive, it took 7 to lynch.
faust was on Awaclus, which made 8, and it took 8 to lynch. :)
I still voted before LaLight and sudgy.Final Vote Count:
skip wooznum (4): Awaclus, scolapasta, MiX, Joseph2303
mail-mi (3): faust, A Drowned Kernel, jotheonah
Awaclus (7): Eevee, WestCoastDidds, skip wooznum, mail-mi, Galzria, LaLight, sudgy
Not voting (1): DatSwan
With 15 alive, it took 7 to lynch.
faust was on Awaclus, which made 8, and it took 8 to lynch. :)
Awaclus is Hated.
I feel like that post was missing a "THREAD LOCKED" but I ain't complainin. Also a flip.
I feel like that post was missing a "THREAD LOCKED" but I ain't complainin. Also a flip.I mean usually the thread gets locked with the flip, not with the final vote count.
Can we lynch mail-mi now?
vote: mail-mi
Can we lynch mail-mi now?
vote: mail-mi
I know that someone stole what I was giving to MiX
Can we lynch mail-mi now?
vote: mail-mi
...why mail-mi?
I'm more interested with who targeted me last night.
Can we lynch mail-mi now?
vote: mail-mi
...why mail-mi?
I'm more interested with who targeted me last night.
Because he's scum
I just realized something. Uhoh.
We are in trouble.
We should've been quieter Didds!
[Amusingly, I posted this first in the wrong game - this is a cit and paste without reading the PPE]
joth, were you told who gave you the item? or do you just know it was skip because he said he had it?
Also, a lot of things happened late day, but I find it suspicious that there would be two of the exact same role on the same faction. i.e. I'm still on board with lynching either skip or mail-mi.
I mean, both needing rope sure, but it would be much cooler if they needed it for different reasons.
Lean Skip, as Mail-mi claimed first, and skip just said me too.
I mean, there could be two sailors? But like I said, feels suspicious
I just realized something. Uhoh.
We are in trouble.
We should've been quieter Didds!
Literally the story of my life. But that’s boring! Talking is fun!!!!
People really think there aren't 2 good sailors? To me it's more likely than one good and one bad.
Who on that lynch are you suspecting in particular?I just realized something. Uhoh.
We are in trouble.
We should've been quieter Didds!
Literally the story of my life. But that’s boring! Talking is fun!!!!
I also think that scum's laughing right now.
So, you targeted me, who else?People really think there aren't 2 good sailors? To me it's more likely than one good and one bad.
Not for me. Also look at that Awaclus lynch, scum definitely did not want to 1v1.
My order of expectation:
not 2 Sailors
not 2 good Sailors
2 good Sailors
I sent an item that I had no need of to someone who I thought seemed town, as no one specifically mentioned it*. Not sure I want to say who just yet, but also not sure there's any harm in it.
* there was one possible in the lists, but it's also someone that I'm not so sure is town
Not me, I’m a good guy.
Someone tried to trade an item with me last night, but I was not given an item. So, I still need an item if I’m going to be as fully town as possible.
Not me, I’m a good guy.
Someone tried to trade an item with me last night, but I was not given an item. So, I still need an item if I’m going to be as fully town as possible.
i did, and you refused. vote: WCD
Not me, I’m a good guy.
Someone tried to trade an item with me last night, but I was not given an item. So, I still need an item if I’m going to be as fully town as possible.
i did, and you refused. vote: WCD
I was also approached for a trade, but I denied it.
Not me, I’m a good guy.
Someone tried to trade an item with me last night, but I was not given an item. So, I still need an item if I’m going to be as fully town as possible.
i did, and you refused. vote: WCD
WCD, in what order did you give/trade items? did i offer you an item you need? why did you refuse? my qt specifically says that you said no (paraphrasingly)
Not me, I’m a good guy.
Someone tried to trade an item with me last night, but I was not given an item. So, I still need an item if I’m going to be as fully town as possible.
i did, and you refused. vote: WCD
I was also approached for a trade, but I denied it.
yeah, but yesterDay Didds specifically hinted at an item i have.
WCD, in what order did you give/trade items? did i offer you an item you need? why did you refuse? my qt specifically says that you said no (paraphrasingly)
So, someone has the item I need, but cannot use it. Unless it’s like the sailor and there are more than one of my me, but my sense is that my luggage is boring for anyone else.
So, someone has the item I need, but cannot use it. Unless it’s like the sailor and there are more than one of my me, but my sense is that my luggage is boring for anyone else.
Scum has it...
...what are the odds scum can use it Didds?
Sorry, swiped mid-give. Not trade.are you talking about an item you were trying to give, or one that somebody was trying to give to you
Sorry, swiped mid-give. Not trade.are you talking about an item you were trying to give, or one that somebody was trying to give to you
Joseph, did you receive part of a useful item last night?I received an item yes
WCD, in what order did you give/trade items? did i offer you an item you need? why did you refuse? my qt specifically says that you said no (paraphrasingly)
WCD, in what order did you give/trade items? did i offer you an item you need? why did you refuse? my qt specifically says that you said no (paraphrasingly)
LaLight, do you have the option to give someone else items or can you only trade?
What makes you think that it would be useful to me?Joseph, did you receive part of a useful item last night?I received an item yes
joth, were you told who gave you the item? or do you just know it was skip because he said he had it?
I wonder if there is two of every role, but only enough stuff for one person to use it.
I wonder if there is two of every role, but only enough stuff for one person to use it.
Based on the wording of my role, I can (mostly, unless Glooble is trolling me) confirm that I’m not the only one of my role in the game (it’s possible there are more than 2 - but a specific phrasing suggests exactly 2). Hence my belief that Mail-Mi/Skip doesn’t necessarily equal 1v1 - however, I very much believe that my “counter” player/power is scum.
I wonder if there is two of every role, but only enough stuff for one person to use it.
Based on the wording of my role, I can (mostly, unless Glooble is trolling me) confirm that I’m not the only one of my role in the game (it’s possible there are more than 2 - but a specific phrasing suggests exactly 2). Hence my belief that Mail-Mi/Skip doesn’t necessarily equal 1v1 - however, I very much believe that my “counter” player/power is scum.
What makes you think that it would be useful to me?Joseph, did you receive part of a useful item last night?I received an item yes
I wonder if there is two of every role, but only enough stuff for one person to use it.
Based on the wording of my role, I can (mostly, unless Glooble is trolling me) confirm that I’m not the only one of my role in the game (it’s possible there are more than 2 - but a specific phrasing suggests exactly 2). Hence my belief that Mail-Mi/Skip doesn’t necessarily equal 1v1 - however, I very much believe that my “counter” player/power is scum.
I wonder if there is two of every role, but only enough stuff for one person to use it.
Based on the wording of my role, I can (mostly, unless Glooble is trolling me) confirm that I’m not the only one of my role in the game (it’s possible there are more than 2 - but a specific phrasing suggests exactly 2). Hence my belief that Mail-Mi/Skip doesn’t necessarily equal 1v1 - however, I very much believe that my “counter” player/power is scum.
Why didn't you say this yesterday? It might have been helpful.
I wonder if there is two of every role, but only enough stuff for one person to use it.
Based on the wording of my role, I can (mostly, unless Glooble is trolling me) confirm that I’m not the only one of my role in the game (it’s possible there are more than 2 - but a specific phrasing suggests exactly 2). Hence my belief that Mail-Mi/Skip doesn’t necessarily equal 1v1 - however, I very much believe that my “counter” player/power is scum.
Interesting. I had no idea that I had a matching role. I mean, if that's more common, it would make it way too easy to just say "lynch one of the 1v1s" and find all the scum that way. So skip being a counterpart in no way means he's scum.
I wonder if there is two of every role, but only enough stuff for one person to use it.
Based on the wording of my role, I can (mostly, unless Glooble is trolling me) confirm that I’m not the only one of my role in the game (it’s possible there are more than 2 - but a specific phrasing suggests exactly 2). Hence my belief that Mail-Mi/Skip doesn’t necessarily equal 1v1 - however, I very much believe that my “counter” player/power is scum.
Interesting. I had no idea that I had a matching role. I mean, if that's more common, it would make it way too easy to just say "lynch one of the 1v1s" and find all the scum that way. So skip being a counterpart in no way means he's scum.
Definitely interesting thoughts here. I could well be wrong on the "not 2 sailors" path. And true, if there are multiple pairs, then they likely aren't all be 1v1. Unless they're both in opposite scum factions?
But clearly some things can happen without an item, since things were stolen.
Galz, can you say anything about the specific phrasing that makes he think "exactly" 2?
I wonder if there is two of every role, but only enough stuff for one person to use it.
Based on the wording of my role, I can (mostly, unless Glooble is trolling me) confirm that I’m not the only one of my role in the game (it’s possible there are more than 2 - but a specific phrasing suggests exactly 2). Hence my belief that Mail-Mi/Skip doesn’t necessarily equal 1v1 - however, I very much believe that my “counter” player/power is scum.
Interesting. I had no idea that I had a matching role. I mean, if that's more common, it would make it way too easy to just say "lynch one of the 1v1s" and find all the scum that way. So skip being a counterpart in no way means he's scum.
Definitely interesting thoughts here. I could well be wrong on the "not 2 sailors" path. And true, if there are multiple pairs, then they likely aren't all be 1v1. Unless they're both in opposite scum factions?
But clearly some things can happen without an item, since things were stolen.
Galz, can you say anything about the specific phrasing that makes he think "exactly" 2?
I started to answer this by making the meaning explicitly clear (which I’m confident I could do without violating any rules) - but I realized that in doing it would also make pretty clear to the other player with this role that I am exactly what I am - and as I’ve stated my belief that they’re scum, I’m not certain revealing that fully now is wise. I’m open to thoughts on this though.
I mean if Galz and 1 of Skip/mail-mi. is, this would e a good way to get us away from it? (especially since there was a though that if we prove the 1-1, we might target galz next, so that'd be two quickish scum lynches.
i.e. trying to get us to believe there are multiple paired roles could be a scum gambit.
I’m getting such a strong scum vibe of Galz this game. I can not pinpoint why, but I’ve played with him a lot and he feels off. So not super inclined to trust him on this without some corroboration.
Okay without saying too much, yes you're correct, it was partially helpful (as I'm looking for something with multiple pieces)What makes you think that it would be useful to me?Joseph, did you receive part of a useful item last night?I received an item yes
I don't want to say too much yet, but given what you said you wanted, I was thinking what I had was a part of it. I was going to say that if it was useful, anybody else who has a similar part should probably give it to you. But if it's not, then it doesn't matter.
i.e. trying to get us to believe there are multiple paired roles could be a scum gambit.Well, I have the same role as LaLight.
And because if this, I think sudgy is towny, because they're trying to be helpful, and scum wouldn't try to help me because I'm not scumOkay without saying too much, yes you're correct, it was partially helpful (as I'm looking for something with multiple pieces)What makes you think that it would be useful to me?Joseph, did you receive part of a useful item last night?I received an item yes
I don't want to say too much yet, but given what you said you wanted, I was thinking what I had was a part of it. I was going to say that if it was useful, anybody else who has a similar part should probably give it to you. But if it's not, then it doesn't matter.
i.e. trying to get us to believe there are multiple paired roles could be a scum gambit.Well, I have the same role as LaLight.
i.e. trying to get us to believe there are multiple paired roles could be a scum gambit.Well, I have the same role as LaLight.
I could, but unless you give me a reason to provide more info I would prefer not to.i.e. trying to get us to believe there are multiple paired roles could be a scum gambit.Well, I have the same role as LaLight.
Can you tell us more?
so, unless i misread and/or forgot something, no one needs an item I have. weird
I could, but unless you give me a reason to provide more info I would prefer not to.i.e. trying to get us to believe there are multiple paired roles could be a scum gambit.Well, I have the same role as LaLight.
Can you tell us more?
i.e. trying to get us to believe there are multiple paired roles could be a scum gambit.Well, I have the same role as LaLight.
Yes.i.e. trying to get us to believe there are multiple paired roles could be a scum gambit.Well, I have the same role as LaLight.
Did you target me last night?
How about let's lynch skip/mail-mi because scum was on Awaclus, and there was no reason for scum to push Awaclus if they were both town? I like this plan.
I'm voting for mail-mi right now but I can go for either.Reasons. I think I don't quite want to tell because it may reveal something about the item, but it was something you said.
Why me?
so, unless i misread and/or forgot something, no one needs an item I have. weirdProbably I do then. My clue was somewhat cryptic
i.e. trying to get us to believe there are multiple paired roles could be a scum gambit.Well, I have the same role as LaLight.
Did you target me last night?
How about let's lynch skip/mail-mi because scum was on Awaclus, and there was no reason for scum to push Awaclus if they were both town? I like this plan.
I assume that someone is scum; why isn't it you?i.e. trying to get us to believe there are multiple paired roles could be a scum gambit.Well, I have the same role as LaLight.
Did you target me last night?
How about let's lynch skip/mail-mi because scum was on Awaclus, and there was no reason for scum to push Awaclus if they were both town? I like this plan.
Why? I mean, we have no reason to assume one of us is scum anymore. I don't think Skip is scum anymore, at least, because the only big reason I was scumreading him was the 1v1.
Because the text in my QT is green.I assume that someone is scum; why isn't it you?i.e. trying to get us to believe there are multiple paired roles could be a scum gambit.Well, I have the same role as LaLight.
Did you target me last night?
How about let's lynch skip/mail-mi because scum was on Awaclus, and there was no reason for scum to push Awaclus if they were both town? I like this plan.
Why? I mean, we have no reason to assume one of us is scum anymore. I don't think Skip is scum anymore, at least, because the only big reason I was scumreading him was the 1v1.
"I swear, I just need some rope to tie up my horse," said the cowboy.
"Wait, a minute, I need rope to hang the curtain back stage at my theater!" said the director.
I also don't think anyone should answers faust's fruit question until he answers it himself. As I see this as another possible scum gambit re: pairs. i.e. if someone else says they got fruit, he could say he also got it, and since Awaclus is gone, there's no way to confirm if that's truthful.I'm confused as to how this gambit is supposed to help scum!me. Also Awaclus was lynched, so I'm pretty sure he never used his Night action.
The flavor is just based on what we say at Day. Looking at it is quite literally confirmation bias.
There could easily be a sailor that works for the mafia. That seems to be the flavor in this game.
I also don't think anyone should answers faust's fruit question until he answers it himself. As I see this as another possible scum gambit re: pairs. i.e. if someone else says they got fruit, he could say he also got it, and since Awaclus is gone, there's no way to confirm if that's truthful.I'm confused as to how this gambit is supposed to help scum!me. Also Awaclus was lynched, so I'm pretty sure he never used his Night action.
The flavor is just based on what we say at Day. Looking at it is quite literally confirmation bias.So it's like... pirates?!
There could easily be a sailor that works for the mafia. That seems to be the flavor in this game.
The flavor is just based on what we say at Day. Looking at it is quite literally confirmation bias.So it's like... pirates?!
There could easily be a sailor that works for the mafia. That seems to be the flavor in this game.
so, unless i misread and/or forgot something, no one needs an item I have. weird
You can’t use it? It seems like it would be useful to someone
I tried to give mail-mi the rope, but I was somehow blocked and the rope was stolen from me. I think it's probable whoever stole the rope is scum, and that they aren't the same faction as mail-mi (why would they stop me from giving him the rope if they were?), reinforcing my belief that mail-mi is probably town.
I tried to give mail-mi the rope, but I was somehow blocked and the rope was stolen from me. I think it's probable whoever stole the rope is scum, and that they aren't the same faction as mail-mi (why would they stop me from giving him the rope if they were?), reinforcing my belief that mail-mi is probably town.
I assumed that it was more likely that mail-mi was targeted than that I was. Could be the other way around as well.
What the hell is fence-sitting. Don't you dare introduce big boy words without an explanation.
PPE: Galz, that's exactly what I'm saying. Vote skip with me.
I have a preference if it comes down to one or the other. I’m not stating which that is at this time however.
There was something new in the air that day. The previous night’s murder had everyone on edge. And when people are on edge, they don’t trust strangers.
After the... incident with the fruit vendor, that cute little cafe had been shut down by the health inspector (turns out brutal stabbings are okay, but turning around and using the same knife to chop a cucumber is a bridge too far.) So I headed to the only other brunch spot in town- a run-down little diner called Jimmy’s. I had just sat down at a greasy little booth when a familiar dame walked in. I hadn’t seen that face in years, but suddenly the memories came flooding back. I didn’t know what she was doing here, but I knew it couldn’t be a coincidence.
Vote count 2.2:
mail-mi (2): A Drowned Kernel, MiX, LaLight
Not voting (11): mail-mi, Galzria, shraeye, WestCoastDidds, scolapasta, jotheonah, faust, Joseph2302, sudgy, Eevee
With 13 alive, it takes 7 to lynch. Day 2 will end at 2 pm ET on Wednesday, May 6th.
I tried to give mail-mi the rope, but I was somehow blocked and the rope was stolen from me. I think it's probable whoever stole the rope is scum, and that they aren't the same faction as mail-mi (why would they stop me from giving him the rope if they were?), reinforcing my belief that mail-mi is probably town.
One thing I want to know about setup is how town PRs work*. i.e. as I hypothesized at one point that people who have town PRs can only do things if they get their needed item.There could also be town blocking people (and they've been trying to block scum), or maybe a third faction (like a SK or something that can block)
* I'm not saying anyone can answer me directly, because they may not want to reveal their PR
But it does seem likely scum can do things without items. I mean several blocks and steals happened on N1. Unless town could do that without items, of course.
I also was planning on calling out whoever first posted about scum being able to steal and block early in D1, but it turns out that was recently departed DatSwan. :(
so my case on skip continues:
So if scum can do things, wouldn't it make sense for them to claim the same item (and then role) as someone else and then block them from getting it.
I will be sad if we don't lynch one of skip or mail-mi today, or maybe galz. We should have yesterday, before so many moved to awaclus (including all three of the above).
My item was stolen and eevee’s item was stolen. So, if it’s scum, that’s kind of a lot of stealing power.It's interesting that my item wasn't stolen. Were there any other items that were public information and weren't stolen? I don't remember.
I did not recieve fruit.
I did send joth the notebook and I have it mod confirmed that he got it, which anyway, he claimed to have received it, but it may be useful in the future to know that people get confirmation that their gifting was successful.
I do not have the rope.
I did not recieve fruit.
I did send joth the notebook and I have it mod confirmed that he got it, which anyway, he claimed to have received it, but it may be useful in the future to know that people get confirmation that their gifting was successful.
I do not have the rope.
Hmm. I don't believe I got confirmation that my gifting was received.
Looking back in my qt, I realize it might be because I asked glooble. He only told me after I asked.I did not recieve fruit.
I did send joth the notebook and I have it mod confirmed that he got it, which anyway, he claimed to have received it, but it may be useful in the future to know that people get confirmation that their gifting was successful.
I do not have the rope.
Hmm. I don't believe I got confirmation that my gifting was received.
Me neither.
I don’t. That’s why I’m assuming it’s more likely they somehow targeted anyone targeting mail-mi with a giving action and got me that way.I tried to give mail-mi the rope, but I was somehow blocked and the rope was stolen from me. I think it's probable whoever stole the rope is scum, and that they aren't the same faction as mail-mi (why would they stop me from giving him the rope if they were?), reinforcing my belief that mail-mi is probably town.
Maybe I'm missing something, but why do you think that scum would think that you had the rope?
My item was stolen and eevee’s item was stolen. So, if it’s scum, that’s kind of a lot of stealing power.was yours stolen when trying to give it away?
I don’t remember either. I need to go back and make some notes, but that will have to wait until I’m back at “work”.Heh, sorry, posted my question before reading the whole thread. Same happened to
I assume LL still has his item and that it was not stolen.
Mine was stolen on my way to give it away. Eevee, was yours also hijacked en route?
My item was stolen and eevee’s item was stolen. So, if it’s scum, that’s kind of a lot of stealing power.was yours stolen when trying to give it away?
my flavor strongly implied i’d still have the rope if i didn’t try to gift it.
I don’t. That’s why I’m assuming it’s more likely they somehow targeted anyone targeting mail-mi with a giving action and got me that way.I tried to give mail-mi the rope, but I was somehow blocked and the rope was stolen from me. I think it's probable whoever stole the rope is scum, and that they aren't the same faction as mail-mi (why would they stop me from giving him the rope if they were?), reinforcing my belief that mail-mi is probably town.
Maybe I'm missing something, but why do you think that scum would think that you had the rope?
that does make sense.I thought this being labeled bastard was already plenty indication that there is some unusual mechanic in play.
on the other hand, other people having stuff stolen too would indicate there is some unusual mechanic in play here.
My item was stolen and eevee’s item was stolen. So, if it’s scum, that’s kind of a lot of stealing power.was yours stolen when trying to give it away?
my flavor strongly implied i’d still have the rope if i didn’t try to gift it.
This makes me believe that Didds is town too, stealing items seeming like a scum power. Could be different scum factions of course, so not definitive but pretty strong evidence.
This makes me believe that Didds is town too, stealing items seeming like a scum power. Could be different scum factions of course, so not definitive but pretty strong evidence.Seems towny enough for the people who had items stolen to not be lynch options for today at least
Also joth, was the you needed both the codebook and notebook to decode correct? Are both items that can be passed? Could anyone decode if they had both items? or just you?
Is this at all tied in with a PR or will this just provide us with some info?
Also joth, was the you needed both the codebook and notebook to decode correct? Are both items that can be passed? Could anyone decode if they had both items? or just you?
Is this at all tied in with a PR or will this just provide us with some info?
My assumption based on the info I have is that anyone with both could have decoded the message.
vote: Galzria
Also joth, was the you needed both the codebook and notebook to decode correct? Are both items that can be passed? Could anyone decode if they had both items? or just you?
Is this at all tied in with a PR or will this just provide us with some info?
My assumption based on the info I have is that anyone with both could have decoded the message.
Looking at eod yesterday, I'm a little confused. @Faust, what was your lynch preference yesterday?mail-mi > skip > Awaclus > no lynch
This makes me believe that Didds is town too, stealing items seeming like a scum power. Could be different scum factions of course, so not definitive but pretty strong evidence.Well Didds could easily be lying, so "strong evidence" seems like a bit of a stretch, it's just Didds' word that something vaguely towny happened to her.
This makes me believe that Didds is town too, stealing items seeming like a scum power. Could be different scum factions of course, so not definitive but pretty strong evidence.Well Didds could easily be lying, so "strong evidence" seems like a bit of a stretch, it's just Didds' word that something vaguely towny happened to her.
Does that mean you could pass both to people who you think are town and selectively reveal the message?
Does that mean you could pass both to people who you think are town and selectively reveal the message?
I suppose I could. Not sure that that has a ton of utility though.
I could do a skip lynch. I'm not like dead sure he's scum, but he has certainly been scummy and people made some convincing cases yesterday.
Does that mean you could pass both to people who you think are town and selectively reveal the message?
I suppose I could. Not sure that that has a ton of utility though.
I could do a skip lynch. I'm not like dead sure he's scum, but he has certainly been scummy and people made some convincing cases yesterday.
I am somewhat regretting my decision to make the days 5 days instead of seven, but it seems unfair to change it now. I also don’t want to derail conversation by having people talk about whether they want longer days. So if you have feelings let me know if your QT.
I’ll try and get a vote count out this afternoon but Monday’s are rough for me work-wise.
Well well well.
Vote: mail-mi
Looking at the end of the Day, skip's reaction to the double role claim seemed genuine. mail-mi just sort of dropped off the skip wagon and joined on Awaclus for no apparent reason, and I don't see why town!mail-mi would do that. From skip's point of view, mail-mi called out the exact role that he had, and that made him reconsider. From mail-mi's point of view, skip just parroted his claim and there was no reason to change his read.Well well well.
Vote: mail-mi
Can you explain this vote more than you have?
Also the bit where skip thought he was lynched and scrambled to get his item where it needed to go seemed genuine, so I'm not too interested in that lynch.
Also the bit where skip thought he was lynched and scrambled to get his item where it needed to go seemed genuine, so I'm not too interested in that lynch.
That's true. I momentarily forgot that Skip gave me the notebook. Dunno why scum!skip would do that.
thinking about it, i am willing to vote mail-mi/skip today (with slight preference over mail-mi), but also I think faust is scum.I am also not done with you yet.
Anyone interested in vote: awaclus?
Fits scum avoiding doing anything controversial and just skating by to a T.
Vote: Awaclus
I figure it’s somewhat better than random
vote: awaclus
I will not vote Awaclus.
vote: awaclus
Vote: Awaclus - let's see.
vote: awaclus
Yikes, was this wrong?
Vote: Awaclus
Vote: Awaclus
vote: awaclus
Not the type of lie I think they'd make, and the way they worded it makes me believe they at least new the way Glooble would word the action. I'd say I'm 80-90% certain that Didds isn't lying about having been swiped mid-give.This makes me believe that Didds is town too, stealing items seeming like a scum power. Could be different scum factions of course, so not definitive but pretty strong evidence.Well Didds could easily be lying, so "strong evidence" seems like a bit of a stretch, it's just Didds' word that something vaguely towny happened to her.
Vote: mail-mi
Looks around
Vote: small-mi
I think you are throwing suspicion towards mail-mi for playing differently than you would, and I think you should know better.Looking at the end of the Day, skip's reaction to the double role claim seemed genuine. mail-mi just sort of dropped off the skip wagon and joined on Awaclus for no apparent reason, and I don't see why town!mail-mi would do that. From skip's point of view, mail-mi called out the exact role that he had, and that made him reconsider. From mail-mi's point of view, skip just parroted his claim and there was no reason to change his read.Well well well.
Vote: mail-mi
Can you explain this vote more than you have?
Also the bit where skip thought he was lynched and scrambled to get his item where it needed to go seemed genuine, so I'm not too interested in that lynch.
I think you are throwing suspicion towards mail-mi for playing differently than you would, and I think you should know better.Looking at the end of the Day, skip's reaction to the double role claim seemed genuine. mail-mi just sort of dropped off the skip wagon and joined on Awaclus for no apparent reason, and I don't see why town!mail-mi would do that. From skip's point of view, mail-mi called out the exact role that he had, and that made him reconsider. From mail-mi's point of view, skip just parroted his claim and there was no reason to change his read.Well well well.
Vote: mail-mi
Can you explain this vote more than you have?
Also the bit where skip thought he was lynched and scrambled to get his item where it needed to go seemed genuine, so I'm not too interested in that lynch.
I could go for a faust lynch. I think he tends to be the voice of reason, and I'm disagreeing with most of his reads here.
I think you are throwing suspicion towards mail-mi for playing differently than you would, and I think you should know better.I don't think I am? Not sure where this is coming from. I'm just pointing out that mail-mi was very happy to take an opportunity to get a lynch outside of the 1v1, and that is a thing that any scum would want in his position.
I haven't claimed my role, and I don't believe faust has either. Have I somehow skipped a page, or what are you talking about? ;DI think he's confusing you with LaLight. And I have claimed my role by the way.
Also the bit where skip thought he was lynched and scrambled to get his item where it needed to go seemed genuine, so I'm not too interested in that lynch.
That's true. I momentarily forgot that Skip gave me the notebook. Dunno why scum!skip would do that.
Doesn't he kinda have to?
So, I would be very surprised if this wagon were scum-free. But I'd be surprised if there were a ton of scum on it.No kidding, you would be surprised if the statistically least likely things had happened. Quite the hot take.
So, I would be very surprised if this wagon were scum-free. But I'd be surprised if there were a ton of scum on it.No kidding, you would be surprised if the statistically least likely things had happened. Quite the hot take.
It may or may not be a hot take, but it doesn't seem like anyone else is making an effort to analyze the wagon AT ALL so I thought I would start with the basics.Quite the assumptions there. Just because I don't post a wall of mostly inconsequential observations doesn't mean I didn't do my homework.
Also the bit where skip thought he was lynched and scrambled to get his item where it needed to go seemed genuine, so I'm not too interested in that lynch.
That's true. I momentarily forgot that Skip gave me the notebook. Dunno why scum!skip would do that.
Doesn't he kinda have to?
NaH. He could claim it was stolen or he was roleblocked or that he didn't trust me. He could have asked ME for the codebook. Lots of options.
Also the bit where skip thought he was lynched and scrambled to get his item where it needed to go seemed genuine, so I'm not too interested in that lynch.
That's true. I momentarily forgot that Skip gave me the notebook. Dunno why scum!skip would do that.
Doesn't he kinda have to?
NaH. He could claim it was stolen or he was roleblocked or that he didn't trust me. He could have asked ME for the codebook. Lots of options.
Why didn't you give him the codebook?
Also the bit where skip thought he was lynched and scrambled to get his item where it needed to go seemed genuine, so I'm not too interested in that lynch.
That's true. I momentarily forgot that Skip gave me the notebook. Dunno why scum!skip would do that.
Doesn't he kinda have to?
NaH. He could claim it was stolen or he was roleblocked or that he didn't trust me. He could have asked ME for the codebook. Lots of options.
Why didn't you give him the codebook?
Because I'd already asked him for the notebook. We woulda been in a real Gift of the Magi situation if I've given him the codebook.
I haven't claimed my role, and I don't believe faust has either. Have I somehow skipped a page, or what are you talking about? ;DI think he's confusing you with LaLight. And I have claimed my role by the way.
Also joth, was the you needed both the codebook and notebook to decode correct? Are both items that can be passed? Could anyone decode if they had both items? or just you?
Is this at all tied in with a PR or will this just provide us with some info?
My assumption based on the info I have is that anyone with both could have decoded the message.
How many items did you start with?
MiX is probably the most interesting player in the panic lynch because he was so sure Awaclus was town and so against it. Theoretically, it should give him town points but I'm never that sure as town.
Honorable mention goes to MiX, whose vehement opposition to the wagon reads slightly scummy in retrospect.
I'm very self-centered.MiX is probably the most interesting player in the panic lynch because he was so sure Awaclus was town and so against it. Theoretically, it should give him town points but I'm never that sure as town.
Honorable mention goes to MiX, whose vehement opposition to the wagon reads slightly scummy in retrospect.
This is a non-read. I'm flattered that you're forced to talk about me without having anything to say, but what's your take?
Also I see a lack of a vote after such an analysis, Who is scummiest?
To answer other MiX questions: I still think you're townie, but your certainty around the badness of the Awaclus wagon reads scummy. Less so because it's you and you often act sure about things when you aren't, I've learned.
Yes, I started with another item as well. Not likely to answer questions about what it was or whether I still have it. Suffice it to say it's unrelated to the codebook/notebook situation.
I wasn't told explicitly that I needed anything. I assume skip wasn't either. During the end of the day panic, when skip revealed the existence of the notebook, I figured it wouldn't hurt to outright ask him for it. Also, I think skip only claimed to have the notebook because he was behind on reading the thread and thought he was the one who'd been lynched. But you'd have to ask him.
I'm tending to agree with this tooNot the type of lie I think they'd make, and the way they worded it makes me believe they at least new the way Glooble would word the action. I'd say I'm 80-90% certain that Didds isn't lying about having been swiped mid-give.This makes me believe that Didds is town too, stealing items seeming like a scum power. Could be different scum factions of course, so not definitive but pretty strong evidence.Well Didds could easily be lying, so "strong evidence" seems like a bit of a stretch, it's just Didds' word that something vaguely towny happened to her.
I'm very self-centered.MiX is probably the most interesting player in the panic lynch because he was so sure Awaclus was town and so against it. Theoretically, it should give him town points but I'm never that sure as town.
Honorable mention goes to MiX, whose vehement opposition to the wagon reads slightly scummy in retrospect.
This is a non-read. I'm flattered that you're forced to talk about me without having anything to say, but what's your take?
Also I see a lack of a vote after such an analysis, Who is scummiest?
Galzria, who I'm already voting for. Convenient.
I'm very self-centered.MiX is probably the most interesting player in the panic lynch because he was so sure Awaclus was town and so against it. Theoretically, it should give him town points but I'm never that sure as town.
Honorable mention goes to MiX, whose vehement opposition to the wagon reads slightly scummy in retrospect.
This is a non-read. I'm flattered that you're forced to talk about me without having anything to say, but what's your take?
Also I see a lack of a vote after such an analysis, Who is scummiest?
Galzria, who I'm already voting for. Convenient.
Are you saying you don't want to Lynch in mail-mi/skip today? Because earlier you expressed a willingness to vote for skip
To answer other MiX questions: I still think you're townie, but your certainty around the badness of the Awaclus wagon reads scummy. Less so because it's you and you often act sure about things when you aren't, I've learned.
Yes, I started with another item as well. Not likely to answer questions about what it was or whether I still have it. Suffice it to say it's unrelated to the codebook/notebook situation.
I wasn't told explicitly that I needed anything. I assume skip wasn't either. During the end of the day panic, when skip revealed the existence of the notebook, I figured it wouldn't hurt to outright ask him for it. Also, I think skip only claimed to have the notebook because he was behind on reading the thread and thought he was the one who'd been lynched. But you'd have to ask him.
How did you know you needed the notebook then?
I'm very self-centered.MiX is probably the most interesting player in the panic lynch because he was so sure Awaclus was town and so against it. Theoretically, it should give him town points but I'm never that sure as town.
Honorable mention goes to MiX, whose vehement opposition to the wagon reads slightly scummy in retrospect.
This is a non-read. I'm flattered that you're forced to talk about me without having anything to say, but what's your take?
Also I see a lack of a vote after such an analysis, Who is scummiest?
Galzria, who I'm already voting for. Convenient.
Are you saying you don't want to Lynch in mail-mi/skip today? Because earlier you expressed a willingness to vote for skip
skip, did you have any indication that if you had the codebook, you would have been able to decipher the notebook?Until the start of day 2, I assumed I could not read the notebook. There was no mention of a codebook in my qt. Even when joth mentioned a codebook at the end of day 1, I sort of assumed that was a static part of his role, not an item he could give away.
Are you referring to where you said you have the same role as LaLight? Has faust or LaLight claimed anything further? I missed it.I haven't claimed my role, and I don't believe faust has either. Have I somehow skipped a page, or what are you talking about? ;DI think he's confusing you with LaLight. And I have claimed my role by the way.
Looking back at eod, I see that joth didn't mention a codebook at all at that time. He just said he needed a something written in code. So I had no idea there was a codebook at all.skip, did you have any indication that if you had the codebook, you would have been able to decipher the notebook?Until the start of day 2, I assumed I could not read the notebook. There was no mention of a codebook in my qt. Even when joth mentioned a codebook at the end of day 1, I sort of assumed that was a static part of his role, not an item he could give away.
Still catching up on the rest of the thread.
here's what I think.
i am a pawnbroker, I can offer people a trade of items I have and they have. i think it's not really the case of two town pawnbrokers and I think faust is scum one. he is a bot afraid of going 1v1 with me, so he's withholding and said something ambiguous like "i'm not done with you" (sorry quoting hard)
also Joseph, who knows faust's role decided to vote for me for no other reason than 1v1. I also think faust would disapprove his vote. so here goes. let's lynch either of them
or lynch me if you so please, but then lynch these two.
I don't really see galz as scum unless mail-mi is scum. Truth is, I can't really see anybody as scum if mail-mi is town. Maybe joth? Maybe maybe faust? What's giving me pause is that mail-mi got thieved last night, suggesting he's town. But that could be a setup. If it's a lie, eevee would have to be in on it. And it wouldn't make any sense for scum!eevee to have the rope, as that would make me a totally useless as a pr. And if eevee was lying about having the rope at all, someone would counter. But a setup (by that I mean that scum team targeted scum!mail-mi to give him towncred) also seems a little extraordinary. Adk suggested a town!thief, but that seems mostly negative utility, so I doubt it exists.
This is where my head is at. If it's a bit confusing, it's because I'm confused.
here's what I think.This is a setup design question. You can make a setup by carefully designing everything through. In which case, it may not make a lot of sense to have 2 town pawnbrokers. Or you can have a setup idea of "let's have a bunch of double roles" and then determining randomly which of these pairs has scum in it. I don't really know what Glooble would do. But it's dubious to place so much weight in it, now that we know there are multiple double roles.
i am a pawnbroker, I can offer people a trade of items I have and they have. i think it's not really the case of two town pawnbrokers and I think faust is scum one. he is a bot afraid of going 1v1 with me, so he's withholding and said something ambiguous like "i'm not done with you" (sorry quoting hard)
also Joseph, who knows faust's role decided to vote for me for no other reason than 1v1. I also think faust would disapprove his vote. so here goes. let's lynch either of them
I don't really see galz as scum unless mail-mi is scum. Truth is, I can't really see anybody as scum if mail-mi is town. Maybe joth? Maybe maybe faust? What's giving me pause is that mail-mi got thieved last night, suggesting he's town. But that could be a setup. If it's a lie, eevee would have to be in on it. And it wouldn't make any sense for scum!eevee to have the rope, as that would make me a totally useless as a pr. And if eevee was lying about having the rope at all, someone would counter. But a setup (by that I mean that scum team targeted scum!mail-mi to give him towncred) also seems a little extraordinary. Adk suggested a town!thief, but that seems mostly negative utility, so I doubt it exists.I thought Eevee was robbed? Couldn't Eevee just have been robbed and just happen to have the rope? Was it public knowledge that Eevee had the rope and intended to give it to mail-mi?
This is where my head is at. If it's a bit confusing, it's because I'm confused.
I don't really see galz as scum unless mail-mi is scum. Truth is, I can't really see anybody as scum if mail-mi is town. Maybe joth? Maybe maybe faust? What's giving me pause is that mail-mi got thieved last night, suggesting he's town. But that could be a setup. If it's a lie, eevee would have to be in on it. And it wouldn't make any sense for scum!eevee to have the rope, as that would make me a totally useless as a pr. And if eevee was lying about having the rope at all, someone would counter. But a setup (by that I mean that scum team targeted scum!mail-mi to give him towncred) also seems a little extraordinary. Adk suggested a town!thief, but that seems mostly negative utility, so I doubt it exists.I thought Eevee was robbed? Couldn't Eevee just have been robbed and just happen to have the rope? Was it public knowledge that Eevee had the rope and intended to give it to mail-mi?
This is where my head is at. If it's a bit confusing, it's because I'm confused.
If there was an action targeting Eevee, it in no way indicates that mail-mi is town.I don't really see galz as scum unless mail-mi is scum. Truth is, I can't really see anybody as scum if mail-mi is town. Maybe joth? Maybe maybe faust? What's giving me pause is that mail-mi got thieved last night, suggesting he's town. But that could be a setup. If it's a lie, eevee would have to be in on it. And it wouldn't make any sense for scum!eevee to have the rope, as that would make me a totally useless as a pr. And if eevee was lying about having the rope at all, someone would counter. But a setup (by that I mean that scum team targeted scum!mail-mi to give him towncred) also seems a little extraordinary. Adk suggested a town!thief, but that seems mostly negative utility, so I doubt it exists.I thought Eevee was robbed? Couldn't Eevee just have been robbed and just happen to have the rope? Was it public knowledge that Eevee had the rope and intended to give it to mail-mi?
This is where my head is at. If it's a bit confusing, it's because I'm confused.
What part of Eevee being robbed makes what skip said not true?
here's what I think.This is a setup design question. You can make a setup by carefully designing everything through. In which case, it may not make a lot of sense to have 2 town pawnbrokers. Or you can have a setup idea of "let's have a bunch of double roles" and then determining randomly which of these pairs has scum in it. I don't really know what Glooble would do. But it's dubious to place so much weight in it, now that we know there are multiple double roles.
i am a pawnbroker, I can offer people a trade of items I have and they have. i think it's not really the case of two town pawnbrokers and I think faust is scum one. he is a bot afraid of going 1v1 with me, so he's withholding and said something ambiguous like "i'm not done with you" (sorry quoting hard)
also Joseph, who knows faust's role decided to vote for me for no other reason than 1v1. I also think faust would disapprove his vote. so here goes. let's lynch either of them
If I was afraid of going 1v1 against you, I would not have claimed.
Why did you use your role by the way, rather than giving away your item?
as for setup speculation, our roles are unusual from the other roles and i think you know why. I don't think it makes a lot of sense to have two towns like that and i am willing to risk it.I don't really know what you mean. Being a pawnbroker seems a pretty crappy power for scum to have anyways. I personally would rather eliminate the scum Jailkeeper.
What exactly does a pawnbroker do?
yeah, but what's really important is that I do not need an item.
I think he explained his reasoning in #945.
The first does make sense, in that it gives the recipient the chance to reject it.
A couple of questions and maybe this was already explained:
• do you know what you would get in exchange when you make the offer?
• does the person you offer the trade form know it's coming from you?
I think he explained his reasoning in #945.
The first does make sense, in that it gives the recipient the chance to reject it.
A couple of questions and maybe this was already explained:
• do you know what you would get in exchange when you make the offer?
• does the person you offer the trade form know it's coming from you?
Well I thought it was very unlikely to have a pro-town use.yeah, but what's really important is that I do not need an item.
What? Then why would you trade? What's the benefit of a trade if you don't need anything?
I'd like for both you and faust to explain this.
Maybe this game just has a bunch of borderline useless roles. I mean Awaclus was a Compulsive Fruit Vendor.
I think he explained his reasoning in #945.
The first does make sense, in that it gives the recipient the chance to reject it.
A couple of questions and maybe this was already explained:
• do you know what you would get in exchange when you make the offer?
• does the person you offer the trade form know it's coming from you?
I just mean if it's town v town, I have a hard time seeing the scum narrative of most players. I doubt that scum would push one player hard/ totally commit to one side in that situation so that would rule out adk, LaLight, mix, Joseph, sudgy, and pasta. Galz and eevee more or less totally dismissed the whole thing. And didds also seemed unwilling to think either of us were scum.I don't really see galz as scum unless mail-mi is scum. Truth is, I can't really see anybody as scum if mail-mi is town. Maybe joth? Maybe maybe faust? What's giving me pause is that mail-mi got thieved last night, suggesting he's town. But that could be a setup. If it's a lie, eevee would have to be in on it. And it wouldn't make any sense for scum!eevee to have the rope, as that would make me a totally useless as a pr. And if eevee was lying about having the rope at all, someone would counter. But a setup (by that I mean that scum team targeted scum!mail-mi to give him towncred) also seems a little extraordinary. Adk suggested a town!thief, but that seems mostly negative utility, so I doubt it exists.
This is where my head is at. If it's a bit confusing, it's because I'm confused.
That seems to be about the same as my thought process, except I don't understand the bold.
It is possible eevee was targeted. It's just that as far as I can tell, eevee made no mention of having any item at all, let alone the rope. (Let me know if I missed something, eevee.) I would think that some of the people who claimed to have items would be targeted first. Like me, galz, LaLight, and maybe others I don't remember.I don't really see galz as scum unless mail-mi is scum. Truth is, I can't really see anybody as scum if mail-mi is town. Maybe joth? Maybe maybe faust? What's giving me pause is that mail-mi got thieved last night, suggesting he's town. But that could be a setup. If it's a lie, eevee would have to be in on it. And it wouldn't make any sense for scum!eevee to have the rope, as that would make me a totally useless as a pr. And if eevee was lying about having the rope at all, someone would counter. But a setup (by that I mean that scum team targeted scum!mail-mi to give him towncred) also seems a little extraordinary. Adk suggested a town!thief, but that seems mostly negative utility, so I doubt it exists.I thought Eevee was robbed? Couldn't Eevee just have been robbed and just happen to have the rope? Was it public knowledge that Eevee had the rope and intended to give it to mail-mi?
This is where my head is at. If it's a bit confusing, it's because I'm confused.
I'm very self-centered.MiX is probably the most interesting player in the panic lynch because he was so sure Awaclus was town and so against it. Theoretically, it should give him town points but I'm never that sure as town.
Honorable mention goes to MiX, whose vehement opposition to the wagon reads slightly scummy in retrospect.
This is a non-read. I'm flattered that you're forced to talk about me without having anything to say, but what's your take?
Also I see a lack of a vote after such an analysis, Who is scummiest?
Galzria, who I'm already voting for. Convenient.
Are you saying you don't want to Lynch in mail-mi/skip today? Because earlier you expressed a willingness to vote for skip
Where did you get that from?
Does that mean you could pass both to people who you think are town and selectively reveal the message?
I suppose I could. Not sure that that has a ton of utility though.
I could do a skip lynch. I'm not like dead sure he's scum, but he has certainly been scummy and people made some convincing cases yesterday.
well, I mean people can agree or disagree with taking my item, no one yet claimed they need it, so i will try to give it to some people, but i won't end up in a situation when I would give an item to Didds which she doesn't needMight have missed it, but what was your item?
Adk suggested a town!thief, but that seems mostly negative utility, so I doubt it exists.
well, I mean people can agree or disagree with taking my item, no one yet claimed they need it, so i will try to give it to some people, but i won't end up in a situation when I would give an item to Didds which she doesn't needMight have missed it, but what was your item?
well, I mean people can agree or disagree with taking my item, no one yet claimed they need it, so i will try to give it to some people, but i won't end up in a situation when I would give an item to Didds which she doesn't needMight have missed it, but what was your item?
He didn’t say
Vote: Joseph
There's no reason for town to steal. The pro-town move is just to give the item back to whoever needs it anyway.
There's no reason for town to steal. The pro-town move is just to give the item back to whoever needs it anyway.
Do you not think scum needs/can use items?
It seems like we have two 1v1's here, and I sincerely doubt that all of the duplicate roles are town/town. We need to lynch in these players today
My preference would be mail-mi over skip and faust over lalight
There's no reason for town to steal. The pro-town move is just to give the item back to whoever needs it anyway.
Do you not think scum needs/can use items?
I think stopping scum from getting items is futile and random and will steal items from town more often than not.
At this point I would like a town thief massclaim, but it's technically better tomorrow.
There's no reason for town to steal. The pro-town move is just to give the item back to whoever needs it anyway.
Do you not think scum needs/can use items?
I think stopping scum from getting items is futile and random and will steal items from town more often than not.
At this point I would like a town thief massclaim, but it's technically better tomorrow.
There's lots of precedence for town roles that are negative utility if they hit town. Roleblocker, vigilante...
well, I mean people can agree or disagree with taking my item, no one yet claimed they need it, so i will try to give it to some people, but i won't end up in a situation when I would give an item to Didds which she doesn't needMight have missed it, but what was your item?
@faust and @LaLight, do either of you get a benefit for trading items?
My presumption is that there are items that no one needs and have some sort of benefit for the user. Remember that awaclus' item made the user hated, so maybe there's other items like that (except beneficial) out there.
It seems like we have two 1v1's here, and I sincerely doubt that all of the duplicate roles are town/town. We need to lynch in these players todayYou want to lynch in a pool because there are 1 in 4 chances, which are probably worse than the chances among all players?
My preference would be mail-mi over skip and faust over lalight
Same.@faust and @LaLight, do either of you get a benefit for trading items?
My presumption is that there are items that no one needs and have some sort of benefit for the user. Remember that awaclus' item made the user hated, so maybe there's other items like that (except beneficial) out there.
not that i know of
I thought from the chat you hadwell, I mean people can agree or disagree with taking my item, no one yet claimed they need it, so i will try to give it to some people, but i won't end up in a situation when I would give an item to Didds which she doesn't needMight have missed it, but what was your item?
didn't tell yet, why?
I thought from the chat you hadwell, I mean people can agree or disagree with taking my item, no one yet claimed they need it, so i will try to give it to some people, but i won't end up in a situation when I would give an item to Didds which she doesn't needMight have missed it, but what was your item?
didn't tell yet, why?
And if no one else wants it, can you send it to me? It may be what I'm looking for, but my list was very vague D1
LaLight if you’re item is a piece of something larger and it’s made of a particular metal, I have a use for it.
LaLight if you’re item is a piece of something larger and it’s made of a particular metal, I have a use for it.Well that's interesting. Because so do I
LaLight if you’re item is a piece of something larger and it’s made of a particular metal, I have a use for it.
Is this related to the notebook?
LaLight if you’re item is a piece of something larger and it’s made of a particular metal, I have a use for it.Well that's interesting. Because so do I
Actually first. Does your metal thing have 3 pieces?LaLight if you’re item is a piece of something larger and it’s made of a particular metal, I have a use for it.Well that's interesting. Because so do I
That IS interesting. Do you know why you need it?
LaLight if you’re item is a piece of something larger and it’s made of a particular metal, I have a use for it.
Just by way of reminder....deadline is in 28 hours
Also, I still need my stuff. No one is talking about it, which I appreciate. But if you have it, give it to me please.
Just by way of reminder....deadline is in 28 hours
Also, I still need my stuff. No one is talking about it, which I appreciate. But if you have it, give it to me please.
let's lynch faust or Joseph
No, let's lynch mail-mi. But let's definitely lynch.Just by way of reminder....deadline is in 28 hours
Also, I still need my stuff. No one is talking about it, which I appreciate. But if you have it, give it to me please.
let's lynch faust or Joseph
No, let's lynch mail-mi. But let's definitely lynch.Just by way of reminder....deadline is in 28 hours
Also, I still need my stuff. No one is talking about it, which I appreciate. But if you have it, give it to me please.
let's lynch faust or Joseph
Lots of folks seem to be voting Galzria, is that guy still around?
Okay I don't need it eitherLaLight if you’re item is a piece of something larger and it’s made of a particular metal, I have a use for it.
nope
Just by way of reminder....deadline is in 28 hoursWhat stuff did you need? Just whatever was stolen last night? Or multiple things?
Also, I still need my stuff. No one is talking about it, which I appreciate. But if you have it, give it to me please.
Just by way of reminder....deadline is in 28 hours
Also, I still need my stuff. No one is talking about it, which I appreciate. But if you have it, give it to me please.
let's lynch faust or Joseph
Let's not.
Just by way of reminder....deadline is in 28 hours
Also, I still need my stuff. No one is talking about it, which I appreciate. But if you have it, give it to me please.
let's lynch faust or Joseph
Let's not.
why?
Because I am town. And of the two people who claim to need metal pieces, Joseph is the townier one.Just by way of reminder....deadline is in 28 hours
Also, I still need my stuff. No one is talking about it, which I appreciate. But if you have it, give it to me please.
let's lynch faust or Joseph
Let's not.
why?
I started the game with a code book. It allowed me to read the coded notebook I got from skip. I'll probably share the contents of the note at some point but I need to do some thinking on the potential ramifications.
Chemicals
Statue
Golf balls
Smoothie maker
Nighlight
My list:
Driver's License
Inhaler
Wedding Ring
Sunscreen
Telescope
Just by way of reminder....deadline is in 28 hoursWhat stuff did you need? Just whatever was stolen last night? Or multiple things?
Also, I still need my stuff. No one is talking about it, which I appreciate. But if you have it, give it to me please.
Okay. I'm quickly losing track of people, what they want and how many things they wantJust by way of reminder....deadline is in 28 hoursWhat stuff did you need? Just whatever was stolen last night? Or multiple things?
Also, I still need my stuff. No one is talking about it, which I appreciate. But if you have it, give it to me please.
I need one thing. It’s not metal and it’s not in parts, I don’t think.
The item I was giving to MiX was stolen.
I don't specifically need any if these things. I need something that links about 3 of these thingsChemicals
Statue
Golf balls
Smoothie maker
Nighlight
I don't think it would be too much to say that you need the statue, right?
Not-obviously-town Galz is scum!Galz
Just by way of reminder....deadline is in 28 hours
Also, I still need my stuff. No one is talking about it, which I appreciate. But if you have it, give it to me please.
let's lynch faust or Joseph
Let's not.
why?
Why not? Why am I not Awaclus?
Because I think they're town, and they shouldn't die today.
Are you fine with being lynched and then we lynch faust after your flip?
Just by way of reminder....deadline is in 28 hours
Also, I still need my stuff. No one is talking about it, which I appreciate. But if you have it, give it to me please.
let's lynch faust or Joseph
Let's not.
why?
Why not? Why am I not Awaclus?
Because I think they're town, and they shouldn't die today.
Are you fine with being lynched and then we lynch faust after your flip?
sure. vote: LaLight
Nope, nope, nope...
No way scum LaLight was willing to give me his item
He could be like a jester or something (so wins by being lynched)Nope, nope, nope...
No way scum LaLight was willing to give me his item
No way town LaLight wants to live today, it seems.
I also don't believe faust or Joseph are scum, so here we are.
He could be like a jester or something (so wins by being lynched)Nope, nope, nope...
No way scum LaLight was willing to give me his item
No way town LaLight wants to live today, it seems.
I also don't believe faust or Joseph are scum, so here we are.
He could be like a jester or something (so wins by being lynched)Nope, nope, nope...
No way scum LaLight was willing to give me his item
No way town LaLight wants to live today, it seems.
I also don't believe faust or Joseph are scum, so here we are.
Or maybe, given the theme of the game, he merely has a jester hat?
People who aren't voting Galzria, why do you think Galzria is town?
@joth, would you mind confirming one way or the other if you will be divulging information from the notebook.
@joth, would you mind confirming one way or the other if you will be divulging information from the notebook.
BTW, I'm the one who gave joth his part of the metal item. If you guys don't trust each other, feel free to give both pieces to me. (and the third apparently).
At the time I had it, it was not actually obvious to me that it was in parts.
I trust joth more than I trust you right nowBTW, I'm the one who gave joth his part of the metal item. If you guys don't trust each other, feel free to give both pieces to me. (and the third apparently).
At the time I had it, it was not actually obvious to me that it was in parts.
"If you guys don't trust each other, trust me"
Are you scum? You look scum.
I trust joth more than I trust you right nowBTW, I'm the one who gave joth his part of the metal item. If you guys don't trust each other, feel free to give both pieces to me. (and the third apparently).
At the time I had it, it was not actually obvious to me that it was in parts.
"If you guys don't trust each other, trust me"
Are you scum? You look scum.
You, because you want all the pieces, and therefore all the power, to yourselfI trust joth more than I trust you right nowBTW, I'm the one who gave joth his part of the metal item. If you guys don't trust each other, feel free to give both pieces to me. (and the third apparently).
At the time I had it, it was not actually obvious to me that it was in parts.
"If you guys don't trust each other, trust me"
Are you scum? You look scum.
Mix or me?
I didn't give you the item, because I didn't know whether to trust you. I gave to joth, because, well I had to give to someone, and he seemed more trustworthy than most D1.
Who AM I voting for. I've been rereading D1 for a while now, wow there's a lot of nonsense.
mail-mi needs to flip.
Vote: mail-mi
Did you even give an item away?
You, because you want all the pieces, and therefore all the power, to yourselfI trust joth more than I trust you right nowBTW, I'm the one who gave joth his part of the metal item. If you guys don't trust each other, feel free to give both pieces to me. (and the third apparently).
At the time I had it, it was not actually obvious to me that it was in parts.
"If you guys don't trust each other, trust me"
Are you scum? You look scum.
Mix or me?
I didn't give you the item, because I didn't know whether to trust you. I gave to joth, because, well I had to give to someone, and he seemed more trustworthy than most D1.
Self-voting. Oy. LaLight, you know this is a terrible plan right?
Oh okay then.
Vote: LaLight
Let's hope next time you're town you'll try to win. Can you promise me that?
LaLight's way more likely to do that as town, why are we voting for him?
Llam-mi.... could I be the one who needs your item?
Llam-mi.... could I be the one who needs your item?Mail-mi already claimed his item. Did you miss it or is this sarcasm?
@faust, why did you claim your role today?Oh, I see now. You were showing that me v. mail mi might not be 1v1, by virtue of the fact that there were other duplicate roles, is that correct?
LaLight's way more likely to do that as town, why are we voting for him?
because scum sees the easy wagon.
vote: faust
Llam-mi.... could I be the one who needs your item?Mail-mi already claimed his item. Did you miss it or is this sarcasm?
Here it is.Your case was based on a misintepretation, skip pushed the 1v1 more than you.
Cool claim? Do you not have an item?
Skip, are you here? Thoughts?
Let me go reread Skip right around that time again without the misinterpretation.
I have an item. It's a Baseball Cap. It doesn't do anything for me.
Skip, what about you? Where are you located?Brooklyn.
Here it is.Your case was based on a misintepretation, skip pushed the 1v1 more than you.
Cool claim? Do you not have an item?
Skip, are you here? Thoughts?
Let me go reread Skip right around that time again without the misinterpretation.
I have an item. It's a Baseball Cap. It doesn't do anything for me.
LaLight's way more likely to do that as town, why are we voting for him?
because scum sees the easy wagon.
vote: faust
So you don't want to get lynched anymore?
Honestly I'm here thinking, a policy lynch on you trying to 1v1 faust for no apparent reason is better than what the alternatives right now.
And the alternatives are lynching mail-mi or Galz, never faust.
Oooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooor you can tell us why you voted yourself.
And then lynch mail-mi or Galz.
Self-voting. Oy. LaLight, you know this is a terrible plan right?
i mean if this convinces you faust is scum, it's the same 1v1 as it is now.
Yes.@faust, why did you claim your role today?Oh, I see now. You were showing that me v. mail mi might not be 1v1, by virtue of the fact that there were other duplicate roles, is that correct?
Who jumped on lalights self vote? No way lalight self votes as scum here.See, my thinking is, no way LaLight self-votes as town here.
Prod request Galzria
When's deadline?My extensive reasearch has revealed that it is in 5.5 hours.
When's deadline?My extensive reasearch has revealed that it is in 5.5 hours.
And I haven't even outlined my future plans!When's deadline?My extensive reasearch has revealed that it is in 5.5 hours.
Thanks. Can I fund this research?
And I haven't even outlined my future plans!When's deadline?My extensive reasearch has revealed that it is in 5.5 hours.
Thanks. Can I fund this research?
I gone back and tried to figure out why ADK and Eevee are voting for me, to no avail.
At least Eevee seems to townread LaLight then if you believe in a 1v1 the vote kind of makes sense. But ADK... like he voted LaLight after the self-vote, and then switched to me? How does that make sense?
why do we continue building random wagons on people when we have at least a something of a case on other ones?
There's a lot of people joining this galz wagon in a very sketchy fashion. No thanksSaid the person joining the faust wagon in a very sktechy fashion.
why do we continue building random wagons on people when we have at least a something of a case on other ones?I must have missed the part where you have something of a case on me.
Well, convince others first. I'm not going to leave LaLight to join a 1-person wagon.I gone back and tried to figure out why ADK and Eevee are voting for me, to no avail.
At least Eevee seems to townread LaLight then if you believe in a 1v1 the vote kind of makes sense. But ADK... like he voted LaLight after the self-vote, and then switched to me? How does that make sense?
Could I convince you to join me on ADK?
i think eevee is scum
People wanting to lynch mail-mi:Was it known that you would give the rope to mail-mi?
Do you think I'm lying about trying to give an item to him but being intercepted or that some unclaimed town power made that happen or that scum intercepted me giving an item to one of theirs?
People wanting to lynch mail-mi:
Do you think I'm lying about trying to give an item to him but being intercepted or that some unclaimed town power made that happen or that scum intercepted me giving an item to one of theirs?
No. So you think (most likely) that scum intercepted me and it's just happenstance that I was giving it to one of theirs?People wanting to lynch mail-mi:Was it known that you would give the rope to mail-mi?
Do you think I'm lying about trying to give an item to him but being intercepted or that some unclaimed town power made that happen or that scum intercepted me giving an item to one of theirs?
Don't know if I would say most likely, but it seems reasonable enough. Was it known that you had the rope?No. So you think (most likely) that scum intercepted me and it's just happenstance that I was giving it to one of theirs?People wanting to lynch mail-mi:Was it known that you would give the rope to mail-mi?
Do you think I'm lying about trying to give an item to him but being intercepted or that some unclaimed town power made that happen or that scum intercepted me giving an item to one of theirs?
Probably not. I accidentally once used the word in a sentence, might be someone thought that was breadcrumbing. Somewhat amusing if so, given how it wasn't on purpose.Don't know if I would say most likely, but it seems reasonable enough. Was it known that you had the rope?No. So you think (most likely) that scum intercepted me and it's just happenstance that I was giving it to one of theirs?People wanting to lynch mail-mi:Was it known that you would give the rope to mail-mi?
Do you think I'm lying about trying to give an item to him but being intercepted or that some unclaimed town power made that happen or that scum intercepted me giving an item to one of theirs?
Probably not. I accidentally once used the word in a sentence, might be someone thought that was breadcrumbing. Somewhat amusing if so, given how it wasn't on purpose.Don't know if I would say most likely, but it seems reasonable enough. Was it known that you had the rope?No. So you think (most likely) that scum intercepted me and it's just happenstance that I was giving it to one of theirs?People wanting to lynch mail-mi:Was it known that you would give the rope to mail-mi?
Do you think I'm lying about trying to give an item to him but being intercepted or that some unclaimed town power made that happen or that scum intercepted me giving an item to one of theirs?
vote: mail-mi
We can do this
I've been starting to get scummy vibes off of ADK.
I've been starting to get scummy vibes off of ADK.
He isn't for today. I am not repeating an Awaclus ever again.
I've been starting to get scummy vibes off of ADK.
He isn't for today. I am not repeating an Awaclus ever again.
I've been starting to get scummy vibes off of ADK.
He isn't for today. I am not repeating an Awaclus ever again.
I'm not saying for a lynch, I'm just stating a read.
I'm always here. I'm not lynching Galzria, I presume the case is just...he's not here?
Lynch preference: mail-mi -> skip -> LL -> Eevee -> Galzria
I'm always here. I'm not lynching Galzria, I presume the case is just...he's not here?
Lynch preference: mail-mi -> skip -> LL -> Eevee -> Galzria
weren't you the one who said not obvtown Galz is a scum Galz?
I'm always here. I'm not lynching Galzria, I presume the case is just...he's not here?
Lynch preference: mail-mi -> skip -> LL -> Eevee -> Galzria
I ISO'd Galzria's D2. Obviously not obv!town, but I like it. Given the fact no one else claimed to be his role (unless I missed something, I'm sure there's someone else out there that knows that they must be partnered with someone else, as Galzria knows that) that tells me it is indeed a 1v1 and scum's hiding from Galz, which means he's town.
So, yeah.
PPE 2: That answers you?
I ISO'd Galzria's D2. Obviously not obv!town, but I like it. Given the fact no one else claimed to be his role (unless I missed something, I'm sure there's someone else out there that knows that they must be partnered with someone else, as Galzria knows that) that tells me it is indeed a 1v1 and scum's hiding from Galz, which means he's town.
So, yeah.
PPE 2: That answers you?
I could see scum!Galz claiming that for town points, at least enough to make it plausible.
I am not all a fan of both ADK and then LL moving from faust to MM in lockstep
I am not all a fan of both ADK and then LL moving from faust to MM in lockstepMe neither
I ISO'd Galzria's D2. Obviously not obv!town, but I like it. Given the fact no one else claimed to be his role (unless I missed something, I'm sure there's someone else out there that knows that they must be partnered with someone else, as Galzria knows that) that tells me it is indeed a 1v1 and scum's hiding from Galz, which means he's town.
So, yeah.
PPE 2: That answers you?
I could see scum!Galz claiming that for town points, at least enough to make it plausible.
Lynching Galz is a lazy lynch, and lazy lynches don't often end up being good lynches, because scum can hide in the wagons more easilyI ISO'd Galzria's D2. Obviously not obv!town, but I like it. Given the fact no one else claimed to be his role (unless I missed something, I'm sure there's someone else out there that knows that they must be partnered with someone else, as Galzria knows that) that tells me it is indeed a 1v1 and scum's hiding from Galz, which means he's town.
So, yeah.
PPE 2: That answers you?
I could see scum!Galz claiming that for town points, at least enough to make it plausible.
Then he's inevitably caught. Meh.
I'll read your case now.
Read it. Don't like it. He's been scumhunting and pushing what town!Galzria would know to push given his claimed role. I don't see the inconsistencies.
PPE 2
I ISO'd Galzria's D2. Obviously not obv!town, but I like it. Given the fact no one else claimed to be his role (unless I missed something, I'm sure there's someone else out there that knows that they must be partnered with someone else, as Galzria knows that) that tells me it is indeed a 1v1 and scum's hiding from Galz, which means he's town.
So, yeah.
PPE 2: That answers you?
I could see scum!Galz claiming that for town points, at least enough to make it plausible.
Then he's inevitably caught. Meh.
I'll read your case now.
Read it. Don't like it. He's been scumhunting and pushing what town!Galzria would know to push given his claimed role. I don't see the inconsistencies.
PPE 2
Has one of the 3 pieces of Exodia.nice
People wanting to lynch mail-mi:Honestly I can't go ten minutes without double-guessing and triple-guessing myself on this point. It's possible scum targeted you. Is it likely? Dunno. Apparently you used the word rope? That definitely makes the scenario more plausible.
Do you think I'm lying about trying to give an item to him but being intercepted or that some unclaimed town power made that happen or that scum intercepted me giving an item to one of theirs?
What's exodia?Yu-gi-oh
I'm fine with a Galz lunch, I liked sudgy's case and he's also lurking. vote: Galz
L-1
I liked Mix's big "why are people town" post, towniest of his so far.
Would we have people for ADK? I'd go for that.
Also hi I'm present.
I'm fine with a Galz lunch, I liked sudgy's case and he's also lurking. vote: Galz
L-1
If he's hammered he's town, first law of thermodynamics, read D1, look at the Awaclus lynch, etc etc.
My vote's on you lol this is just self preservation you don't care what galz is do you.
LaLight is not taking off then? It's a shame. Self-votes are scum votes.Would be interested to see some data on this. Pretty sure it'd come up way more often upset town, especially if we removed out all the confessed scum self-hammers.
But I can Vote: mail-mi
LaLight is not taking off then? It's a shame. Self-votes are scum votes.Would be interested to see some data on this. Pretty sure it'd come up way more often upset town, especially if we removed out all the confessed scum self-hammers.
But I can Vote: mail-mi
In proportion of usual denomination of town/scum of course.LaLight is not taking off then? It's a shame. Self-votes are scum votes.Would be interested to see some data on this. Pretty sure it'd come up way more often upset town, especially if we removed out all the confessed scum self-hammers.
But I can Vote: mail-mi
Most votes are town votes, therefore voting is towny.
I'm not a huge fan of lynching Galz but way prefer it to mail-mi. Any third party candidates?LaLight.
In proportion of usual denomination of town/scum of course.LaLight is not taking off then? It's a shame. Self-votes are scum votes.Would be interested to see some data on this. Pretty sure it'd come up way more often upset town, especially if we removed out all the confessed scum self-hammers.
But I can Vote: mail-mi
Most votes are town votes, therefore voting is towny.
Well you're gonna have to factor ash out of that statistic, because he is going to distort it beyond recognition.In proportion of usual denomination of town/scum of course.LaLight is not taking off then? It's a shame. Self-votes are scum votes.Would be interested to see some data on this. Pretty sure it'd come up way more often upset town, especially if we removed out all the confessed scum self-hammers.
But I can Vote: mail-mi
Most votes are town votes, therefore voting is towny.
Well you're gonna have to factor ash out of that statistic, because he is going to distort it beyond recognition.In proportion of usual denomination of town/scum of course.LaLight is not taking off then? It's a shame. Self-votes are scum votes.Would be interested to see some data on this. Pretty sure it'd come up way more often upset town, especially if we removed out all the confessed scum self-hammers.
But I can Vote: mail-mi
Most votes are town votes, therefore voting is towny.
Galzria (6): sudgy, jotheonah, scolapasta, WestCoastDidds, Eevee, mail-mi
LaLight (3): Joseph2302, MiX
Faust (2): Eevee, LaLight
mail-mi (4): skip wooznum, A Drowned Kernel, LaLight, faust
Not voting (1): Galzria
Oh wait, MM just moved back to ADK
Galzria (6): sudgy, jotheonah, scolapasta, WestCoastDidds, Eevee,
LaLight (3): Joseph2302, MiX
Faust (2): Eevee, LaLight
mail-mi (4): skip wooznum, A Drowned Kernel, LaLight, faust
ADK: MM
Not voting (1): Galzria
Just got here! What's the sitch? Do I need to lay down a vote?
Just got here! What's the sitch? Do I need to lay down a vote?Would be good. Seems we are debating between mail-mi, Galzria, ADK and LaLight.
mail-mi, you'd go back to galz, right? if joth makes it L-1?
If joth and mai-mi go to galz, that'd get to 7.
mail-mi, you'd go back to galz, right? if joth makes it L-1?
Galzria has been the leading wagon for most of the day though?
8 minutes
If joth and mai-mi go to galz, that'd get to 7.
dude, I'm already on Galz. I've BEEN on Galz.
Just got here! What's the sitch? Do I need to lay down a vote?Would be good. Seems we are debating between mail-mi, Galzria, ADK and LaLight.
@Didds
You are happy with staying on Galzria? Any other thoughts? Big thanks for the vote counts!
I'd love to see why anyone is voting for me.
the failure of the Galz wagon to get off the ground makes me more sure he's scum.
Spectating games on MU makes me really crave plurality lynch, if for no other reason than to be able to say "LET IT RAND".
D'oh. Sorry for the noise.
the failure of the Galz wagon to get off the ground makes me more sure he's scum.+1
He was at L-1, what more do you want.
So one of these needs to move to galz:
skip wooznum, A Drowned Kernel, LaLight, faust, MiX, Joseph
5 minutes left. Let's lynch ADK tomorrow.
vote: Galz
Got a scummy result on that boy or are you just hungry for a flip?
Got a scummy result on that boy or are you just hungry for a flip?
Both.
for realzzz???Got a scummy result on that boy or are you just hungry for a flip?
Both.
Real talk. Who has the BOLT.The daybolt!So one of these needs to move to galz:
skip wooznum, A Drowned Kernel, LaLight, faust, MiX, Joseph
Got a scummy result on that boy or are you just hungry for a flip?5 minutes left. Let's lynch ADK tomorrow.
vote: Galz
And this is why I'm voting for you!
Real talk. Who has the BOLT.The daybolt!So one of these needs to move to galz:
skip wooznum, A Drowned Kernel, LaLight, faust, MiX, Joseph
Got a scummy result on that boy or are you just hungry for a flip?5 minutes left. Let's lynch ADK tomorrow.
vote: Galz
And this is why I'm voting for you!
Ah, you're voting for me because I placed my vote on the only other viable wagon when we have 5 minutes left to deadline to preserve myself (who I know is conf!town). Obvious scum move on my part, woops.
uh-oh. I hope I didn't screw us up.
I read that as "scum my read". not result. I hope this wasn't interepreted as I know galz is scum. Because I don't - this is just going fast.
uh-oh. I hope I didn't screw us up.
I read that as "scum my read". not result. I hope this wasn't interepreted as I know galz is scum. Because I don't - this is just going fast.
uh-oh. I hope I didn't screw us up.
I read that as "scum my read". not result. I hope this wasn't interepreted as I know galz is scum. Because I don't - this is just going fast.
Hm.
Scumpoints for scola, if galz is town.
BMM, there might be lovedness or other weirdness. If you want to avoid a nolynch, why not overkill it?
I think that's it.
Yay hammer please.Real talk. Who has the BOLT.The daybolt!So one of these needs to move to galz:
skip wooznum, A Drowned Kernel, LaLight, faust, MiX, Joseph
Got a scummy result on that boy or are you just hungry for a flip?5 minutes left. Let's lynch ADK tomorrow.
vote: Galz
And this is why I'm voting for you!
Ah, you're voting for me because I placed my vote on the only other viable wagon when we have 5 minutes left to deadline to preserve myself (who I know is conf!town). Obvious scum move on my part, woops.
Yes, lol. That's literally why.
Either way, I do think he's scum. We'll find out soon enough.
Either way, I do think he's scum. We'll find out soon enough.
I don't, good job lynching town yet again and avoiding every single 1v1 again, great job town proud of ya.
Now claim to get robbed.
uh-oh. I hope I didn't screw us up.
I read that as "scum my read". not result. I hope this wasn't interepreted as I know galz is scum. Because I don't - this is just going fast.
Hm.
Scumpoints for scola, if galz is town.
Either way, I do think he's scum. We'll find out soon enough.
I don't, good job lynching town yet again and avoiding every single 1v1 again, great job town proud of ya.
Now claim to get robbed.
But we don't know the 1v1s are actually 1v1s.
Either way, I do think he's scum. We'll find out soon enough.
I don't, good job lynching town yet again and avoiding every single 1v1 again, great job town proud of ya.
Now claim to get robbed.
Either way, I do think he's scum. We'll find out soon enough.
I don't, good job lynching town yet again and avoiding every single 1v1 again, great job town proud of ya.
Now claim to get robbed.
But we don't know the 1v1s are actually 1v1s.
Which is why we want to find out!
uh-oh. I hope I didn't screw us up.
I read that as "scum my read". not result. I hope this wasn't interepreted as I know galz is scum. Because I don't - this is just going fast.
Hm.
Scumpoints for scola, if galz is town.
Yeah, I get that. But it was honestly a simple reading quickly / inexperience thing.
Well, we'll find out soon enough.
Either way, I do think he's scum. We'll find out soon enough.
I don't, good job lynching town yet again and avoiding every single 1v1 again, great job town proud of ya.
Now claim to get robbed.
But we don't know the 1v1s are actually 1v1s.
Which is why we want to find out!
Learning that one 1v1 is town v scum will tell us nothing about the other 1v1s.
uh-oh. I hope I didn't screw us up.
I read that as "scum my read". not result. I hope this wasn't interepreted as I know galz is scum. Because I don't - this is just going fast.
Hm.
Scumpoints for scola, if galz is town.
Yeah, I get that. But it was honestly a simple reading quickly / inexperience thing.
Well, we'll find out soon enough.
Words, scola. WORDS! Are important.
Yes.
So this doesn't repeat again (or maybe Galzria is scum idk) here's the First law of Thermodynamics (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_law_of_thermodynamics) so that you may know what I'm talking about.
No, it doesn't have to do with anything about the game, I just like to use that specific combination of words. I also don't know what it is.
Vote: scolaYou think that eod fiasco was planned by scola?
I don't know. Who had what Didds needed?
What's a graverobber? Is it like a UB?
vote: mail-mi
Vote: scola
I don't know. Who had what Didds needed?
Vote: scola
I don't know. Who had what Didds needed?
How does information help us?
Vote: scola
I don't know. Who had what Didds needed?
How does information help us?
What's a gravedigger? Is it like a UB?
vote: mail-mi
What's a gravedigger? Is it like a UB?
vote: mail-mi
usually it's the role that can get the items from dead people, I guess
in other news, I didn't trade, I gave my item away to one person of those who didn't claim what they needed whom I townread the most. I don't know if they need my item, but I couldn't trade with them I think.
What's a gravedigger? Is it like a UB?
vote: mail-mi
usually it's the role that can get the items from dead people, I guess
in other news, I didn't trade, I gave my item away to one person of those who didn't claim what they needed whom I townread the most. I don't know if they need my item, but I couldn't trade with them I think.
If you're not gonna say who has it, is there any reason not to say what it is?
I need something. Whomever has it will likely want to be sure before they give it to the right person. Whomever has it now probably can’t do anything with it. It has two words.
I also have something that I cannot use, but is valuable to whomever can.
vote: faust
Thanks.vote: faust
Why?
MiX, can you please point me at your points for town!faust and town!Joseph?
faust: Let's not.
Joseph: Let's not.
Vote: faust, okay, okay.
I kinda want everyone to check in before lynching though.MiX, can you please point me at your points for town!faust and town!Joseph?
They don't exist, I just wanted them to give items away so we can kill them now.
faust: Let's not.
Joseph: Let's not.
what is this?
Vote: faust, okay, okay.
I kinda want everyone to check in before lynching though.MiX, can you please point me at your points for town!faust and town!Joseph?
They don't exist, I just wanted them to give items away so we can kill them now.
oh. I am still a bit hurt, but you are amazing, i give you that
but as scums they have no reason to give items away.
Hurt? I'm sorry. I just wanted you to vote faust instead of yourself yesterday, if it's still that.
but as scums they have no reason to give items away.
If they don't give items we lynch them win/win right?
Vote: faust, okay, okay.So you think I'm scum?
I kinda want everyone to check in before lynching though.MiX, can you please point me at your points for town!faust and town!Joseph?
They don't exist, I just wanted them to give items away so we can kill them now.
Vote: faust, okay, okay.So you think I'm scum?
I kinda want everyone to check in before lynching though.MiX, can you please point me at your points for town!faust and town!Joseph?
They don't exist, I just wanted them to give items away so we can kill them now.
also also I requested longer days/nights and didn't get the answer to that too, but I guess didn't work.
also also I requested longer days/nights and didn't get the answer to that too, but I guess didn't work.
We can solve the game in 5 days as long as Galzria doesn't lurk. Which is to say, we can.
I'll stop talking to people that I've talked to now to reduce post count. Help me do this, somehow.
also also I requested longer days/nights and didn't get the answer to that too, but I guess didn't work.
We can solve the game in 5 days as long as Galzria doesn't lurk. Which is to say, we can.
I'll stop talking to people that I've talked to now to reduce post count. Help me do this, somehow.
I'm off to play Scythe. bye
oh also I got the confirmation that I gave my item away successfully.
Also, unrelated, remember that Galz said that there is a scum Graverobber. I'm assuming that means that scum can get any items that the dead have.
oh also I got the confirmation that I gave my item away successfully.
Was the confirmation that you gave it away successfully, or that Didds received it?
oh also I got the confirmation that I gave my item away successfully.
Was the confirmation that you gave it away successfully, or that Didds received it?
Confirmation that whoever LaLight gave the pocket knife to recieved it.
in other news, I didn't trade, I gave my item away to one person of those who didn't claim what they needed whom I townread the most. I don't know if they need my item, but I couldn't trade with them I think.
but mods didn't respond either to my order, or to what happened, if I gave the item, I don't know anything. Question is asked
oh also I got the confirmation that I gave my item away successfully.
in other news, I didn't trade, I gave my item away to one person of those who didn't claim what they needed whom I townread the most. I don't know if they need my item, but I couldn't trade with them I think.but mods didn't respond either to my order, or to what happened, if I gave the item, I don't know anything. Question is askedoh also I got the confirmation that I gave my item away successfully.
in other news, I didn't trade, I gave my item away to one person of those who didn't claim what they needed whom I townread the most. I don't know if they need my item, but I couldn't trade with them I think.but mods didn't respond either to my order, or to what happened, if I gave the item, I don't know anything. Question is askedoh also I got the confirmation that I gave my item away successfully.
That still doesn't answer my question. I was asking if the confirmation was confirmation that LaLight had sent the item, or confirmation that Didds received the item.
Vote: scola
I don't know. Who had what Didds needed?
How does information help us?
Can you claim anything at all, a lack of claim usually means that person's scum.
Ditto for me, for whoever was asking me to claimVote: scola
I don't know. Who had what Didds needed?
How does information help us?
Can you claim anything at all, a lack of claim usually means that person's scum.
I can claim but I won't if I don't see a reason that it will help town
oh also I got the confirmation that I gave my item away successfully.
Was the confirmation that you gave it away successfully, or that Didds received it?
in other news, I didn't trade, I gave my item away to one person of those who didn't claim what they needed whom I townread the most. I don't know if they need my item, but I couldn't trade with them I think.but mods didn't respond either to my order, or to what happened, if I gave the item, I don't know anything. Question is askedoh also I got the confirmation that I gave my item away successfully.
That still doesn't answer my question. I was asking if the confirmation was confirmation that LaLight had sent the item, or confirmation that Didds received the item.
vote: Joseph
I'm pretty sure he's the thief and he has 2/3 pieces of the owl, and we really don't want him to live to steal the third. If we don't lynch him, than I would recommend one of our sailor bois tie him up, if either of them ever managed to get their hands on that rope.
We don't think there's a town thief right? It definitely seems like a scum role.
Also what did he even do? vote for me for selfvoting? Lay scumhunting, I would say. Town!faust would have done much more than that to this point.I have done much more. You just hcoose to ignore it.
Vote: faust, okay, okay.Yeah sure.
I kinda want everyone to check in before lynching though.MiX, can you please point me at your points for town!faust and town!Joseph?
They don't exist, I just wanted them to give items away so we can kill them now.
Vote: faust, okay, okay.FTFY
I kinda want everyone to check in before lynching though.MiX, can you please point me at your points for town!faust and town!Joseph?
They don't exist, I just wantedthem to give items awayto steal their item so we can kill them now.
Vote: faust, okay, okay.FTFY
I kinda want everyone to check in before lynching though.MiX, can you please point me at your points for town!faust and town!Joseph?
They don't exist, I just wantedthem to give items awayto steal their item so we can kill them now.
I am not scum, and I do not have all 3 piecesvote: Joseph
I'm pretty sure he's the thief and he has 2/3 pieces of the owl, and we really don't want him to live to steal the third. If we don't lynch him, than I would recommend one of our sailor bois tie him up, if either of them ever managed to get their hands on that rope.
We don't think there's a town thief right? It definitely seems like a scum role.
joth did you make a mistake.
I'm pretty sure you made a mistake.
I presume joseph has all pieces of the owl. But I guess not since he didn't claim him.
The sailors don't have the rope, and will never get it.
Probably because you didn't want to give away the item that you had. Or because it's not you who needs the item, but your partner Jotheph.Vote: faust, okay, okay.FTFY
I kinda want everyone to check in before lynching though.MiX, can you please point me at your points for town!faust and town!Joseph?
They don't exist, I just wantedthem to give items awayto steal their item so we can kill them now.
Funny joke, why didn't I trade then?
vote: JosephYou were informed that something was stolen from you? You didn't try to give it away, just got taken away? Confusing!
I'm pretty sure he's the thief and he has 2/3 pieces of the owl, and we really don't want him to live to steal the third. If we don't lynch him, than I would recommend one of our sailor bois tie him up, if either of them ever managed to get their hands on that rope.
We don't think there's a town thief right? It definitely seems like a scum role.
I'm a third partySay Serial Killer. We all know you want to.
I'm not though. I'm basically a survivorI'm a third partySay Serial Killer. We all know you want to.
This is the first I'm hearing about an owl.ppe bunch of stuff
@faust, are you also talking about an owl piece too?
@joth, please explain more, I don't get it?
@anyone feeling helpful, I'm feeling very lost. Please explain stuff to me.
Kthxbye
This is the first I'm hearing about an owl.When joth and I were talking about metal things yesterday, we were talking about copper owls
@faust, are you also talking about an owl piece too?
@joth, please explain more, I don't get it?
@anyone feeling helpful, I'm feeling very lost. Please explain stuff to me.
Kthxbye
@faust, are you also talking about an owl piece too?Dunno if it's an owl, I just know it's for some kind of bird. It got stolen from me last night. MiX was the only person who knew I had it.
vote: joseph? Claiming SK or cult??Claiming survivor, with an extra goal. And ability to help town by giving back all the items :)
Oh okay interesting. I didn't steal from you- I stole from joth@faust, are you also talking about an owl piece too?Dunno if it's an owl, I just know it's for some kind of bird. It got stolen from me last night. MiX was the only person who knew I had it.
Oh and my ability is I can either steal, grave rob or trade, but only 1 per night. So I did plan to give WCD their item back
PPE: 1
vote: joseph? Claiming SK or cult??
Give what? WCD's item or the owl?Oh and my ability is I can either steal, grave rob or trade, but only 1 per night. So I did plan to give WCD their item back
PPE: 1
Bastard! Why didn't you give it to me then?
Vote: Joseph
Joth, explain what happened.
So working theory is Joseph+mix team stealing everything? Dunno, mix seems like a good guy. I'll have to sleep on it.@faust, are you also talking about an owl piece too?Dunno if it's an owl, I just know it's for some kind of bird. It got stolen from me last night. MiX was the only person who knew I had it.
I'm third party who wins if I get an owlSo working theory is Joseph+mix team stealing everything? Dunno, mix seems like a good guy. I'll have to sleep on it.@faust, are you also talking about an owl piece too?Dunno if it's an owl, I just know it's for some kind of bird. It got stolen from me last night. MiX was the only person who knew I had it.
But for now,
vote: Joseph
For whatever reason, I'm somewhat averse to survivor claims at the current time. Also, he contradicted himself. He said he wins immediately when he gets the three pieces, which is not survivor. Then he said survivor. He's scum who needs owls for nefarious purposes.
Also Vote: MiX
Oh and my ability is I can either steal, grave rob or trade, but only 1 per night. So I did plan to give WCD their item back
PPE: 1
Because if I can either steal, grave rob or trade, and it was better for me to steal from joth N2Also Vote: MiX
So what did you steal from Didds and why didn't you give it to whoever Didds said they wanted to give them to?
Stole an owl piece from joth. I thought I'd already said thisOh and my ability is I can either steal, grave rob or trade, but only 1 per night. So I did plan to give WCD their item back
PPE: 1
What did you do last night?
Because if I can either steal, grave rob or trade, and it was better for me to steal from joth N2Also Vote: MiX
So what did you steal from Didds and why didn't you give it to whoever Didds said they wanted to give them to?Stole an owl piece from joth. I thought I'd already said thisOh and my ability is I can either steal, grave rob or trade, but only 1 per night. So I did plan to give WCD their item back
PPE: 1
What did you do last night?
what did you steal from didds?
Because if I can either steal, grave rob or trade, and it was better for me to steal from joth N2Also Vote: MiX
So what did you steal from Didds and why didn't you give it to whoever Didds said they wanted to give them to?Stole an owl piece from joth. I thought I'd already said thisOh and my ability is I can either steal, grave rob or trade, but only 1 per night. So I did plan to give WCD their item back
PPE: 1
What did you do last night?
Can you not...give items?
Thanks mail-mi. But do you understand what I'm trying to tell Joseph? Why didn't he give the item away?
Vote: ADK, you're right.
Thanks mail-mi. But do you understand what I'm trying to tell Joseph? Why didn't he give the item away?
I presume because he needs the pieces of the owl to win.
Unless you're talking about some other item, which I missed in the conversation.
Vote: ADK, you're right.
This is also bad
what did you steal from didds?Random, but she was the most anti me D1
Joseph, if someone has more than 1 item, how is it determined what you end up stealing?There is a mod-determined process for it. I don't know the process
Joseph, if someone has more than 1 item, how is it determined what you end up stealing?There is a mod-determined process for it. I don't know the process
what did you steal from didds?Random, but she was the most anti me D1
Thanks mail-mi. But do you understand what I'm trying to tell Joseph? Why didn't he give the item away?
I presume because he needs the pieces of the owl to win.
Unless you're talking about some other item, which I missed in the conversation.
I'm talking about the item he stole from Didds, which I most likely need, and want, and see no reason for Joseph to not give to me.Vote: ADK, you're right.
This is also bad
What's good then? You'll have to help me out here.
Didn't have a choice, stole it and only found out what is was at the end of N1what did you steal from didds?Random, but she was the most anti me D1
Why didn't you give it to me?
Didn't have a choice, stole it and only found out what is was at the end of N1what did you steal from didds?Random, but she was the most anti me D1
Why didn't you give it to me?
I stole from joth instead, because it's better for meDidn't have a choice, stole it and only found out what is was at the end of N1what did you steal from didds?Random, but she was the most anti me D1
Why didn't you give it to me?
How about N2?
I stole from joth instead, because it's better for meDidn't have a choice, stole it and only found out what is was at the end of N1what did you steal from didds?Random, but she was the most anti me D1
Why didn't you give it to me?
How about N2?
I can't steal and trade on same night, it's 1 and only 1 of {steal, grave Rob, trade} every night. And so when I know joth had something I want, steal is better
Incidentally, do you have the copper owl? If so, we can trade and I'll give you WCD's item
He can be mafia.
I'll be more rational in the morning.
He can be mafia.
I'll be more rational in the morning.
Technically, the day just started, so it is morning. :P
What's a gravedigger? Is it like a UB?
vote: mail-mi
usually it's the role that can get the items from dead people, I guess
in other news, I didn't trade, I gave my item away to one person of those who didn't claim what they needed whom I townread the most. I don't know if they need my item, but I couldn't trade with them I think.
If you're not gonna say who has it, is there any reason not to say what it is?
aight
It's a pocket knife.
Here:I need something. Whomever has it will likely want to be sure before they give it to the right person. Whomever has it now probably can’t do anything with it. It has two words.
I also have something that I cannot use, but is valuable to whomever can.
I was sure Didds needed exactly it.
I don't know what it does. Flavor text says paraphrasingly that you can use it to save yourself from trouble.
MiX, are you saying you need the owl? You might have already said so and I forgot that you did, so sorry if that's the case. I didn't understand a lot of the item stuff at the time they were half-claimed so a lot of it went over my head.
What's a gravedigger? Is it like a UB?
vote: mail-mi
usually it's the role that can get the items from dead people, I guess
in other news, I didn't trade, I gave my item away to one person of those who didn't claim what they needed whom I townread the most. I don't know if they need my item, but I couldn't trade with them I think.
If you're not gonna say who has it, is there any reason not to say what it is?
aight
It's a pocket knife.
Here:I need something. Whomever has it will likely want to be sure before they give it to the right person. Whomever has it now probably can’t do anything with it. It has two words.
I also have something that I cannot use, but is valuable to whomever can.
I was sure Didds needed exactly it.
I don't know what it does. Flavor text says paraphrasingly that you can use it to save yourself from trouble.
LaLight, it was this post that I thought you said you gave it to Didds.
MiX, are you saying you need the owl? You might have already said so and I forgot that you did, so sorry if that's the case. I didn't understand a lot of the item stuff at the time they were half-claimed so a lot of it went over my head.
No, otherwise I would've just called Joseph scum lol.
I need something Joseph stole that he doesn't need but didn't share either. I think that makes him scum, because survivor doesn't...care...and it can't hurt him to claim to give it to me.
What's a gravedigger? Is it like a UB?
vote: mail-mi
usually it's the role that can get the items from dead people, I guess
in other news, I didn't trade, I gave my item away to one person of those who didn't claim what they needed whom I townread the most. I don't know if they need my item, but I couldn't trade with them I think.
If you're not gonna say who has it, is there any reason not to say what it is?
aight
It's a pocket knife.
Here:I need something. Whomever has it will likely want to be sure before they give it to the right person. Whomever has it now probably can’t do anything with it. It has two words.
I also have something that I cannot use, but is valuable to whomever can.
I was sure Didds needed exactly it.
I don't know what it does. Flavor text says paraphrasingly that you can use it to save yourself from trouble.
LaLight, it was this post that I thought you said you gave it to Didds.
I tried to give it to her N1, I claimed that yesterday
Can't give and steal on same nightI stole from joth instead, because it's better for meDidn't have a choice, stole it and only found out what is was at the end of N1what did you steal from didds?Random, but she was the most anti me D1
Why didn't you give it to me?
How about N2?
I can't steal and trade on same night, it's 1 and only 1 of {steal, grave Rob, trade} every night. And so when I know joth had something I want, steal is better
Incidentally, do you have the copper owl? If so, we can trade and I'll give you WCD's item
How about giving the item? Can you do that?
Ok you can't answer that question, got it.I was asleep
Vote: Joseph
Tired of lynching town anyway.
MiX, are you saying you need the owl? You might have already said so and I forgot that you did, so sorry if that's the case. I didn't understand a lot of the item stuff at the time they were half-claimed so a lot of it went over my head.
No, otherwise I would've just called Joseph scum lol.
I need something Joseph stole that he doesn't need but didn't share either. I think that makes him scum, because survivor doesn't...care...and it can't hurt him to claim to give it to me.
He can just give you the item when he's done. He probably thought you had an owl piece.
Can't give and steal on same night
Everyone may pass 1 item to another player at night in addition to any other night actions.at least I assume the game is not that bastard.
It's not in my roleCan't give and steal on same night
Well I suppose this now would clearly be a lie:Everyone may pass 1 item to another player at night in addition to any other night actions.at least I assume the game is not that bastard.
Vote: Joseph
Can't give and steal on same night
Well I suppose this now would clearly be a lie:Everyone may pass 1 item to another player at night in addition to any other night actions.at least I assume the game is not that bastard.
Can't give and steal on same night
Well I suppose this now would clearly be a lie:Everyone may pass 1 item to another player at night in addition to any other night actions.at least I assume the game is not that bastard.
Mod: can you confirm that this is true for all players? And does it say it in all player's roles?
Can't give and steal on same night
Well I suppose this now would clearly be a lie:Everyone may pass 1 item to another player at night in addition to any other night actions.at least I assume the game is not that bastard.
Mod: can you confirm that this is true for all players? And does it say it in all player's roles?
It is true for all players. It is not included in everyone’s role pm because I put it in the setup post.
Nvm faust must be town since he was robbed.
Vote: LaLight, 1v1 lol.
Nvm faust must be town since he was robbed.
Vote: LaLight, 1v1 lol.
so,you believe him, right? he is putting a shade on you by "MiXwas the only one who knew I had it" and all that
I think Joseph is probably telling the truth. The notebook I decided, which Another town player will be able to verify once I send them the codebook, says that whoever collects all three pieces of the bird will win the game— as an individual, not a team. Also, and I think this is flavor-relevant, it’s the journal of an archaeologist who came to this town to retrieve the final piece and assemble the owl. I think Joseph is probably that guy.
At first I thought Joseph’s claim wasn’t probably false, since it would be weird for him to have one less win con then everyone else. But the fact is, even if he’s scum, it’s ok to give him the bird, because an individual victory will remove him from the game, which would be very much like a scum kill for the arithmetic of the game. So not only should we not lynch Joseph, I think we should maybe lynch elsewhere and — if we hit scum— whoever has the final piece should give it to him. I think a shared win is totally acceptable for town at this point over a loss. Although maybe that’s bad for math of Joseph really is third party. Someone else math this.
Anyway, unvote for now.
I think Joseph is probably telling the truth. The notebook I decided, which Another town player will be able to verify once I send them the codebook, says that whoever collects all three pieces of the bird will win the game— as an individual, not a team. Also, and I think this is flavor-relevant, it’s the journal of an archaeologist who came to this town to retrieve the final piece and assemble the owl. I think Joseph is probably that guy.
At first I thought Joseph’s claim wasn’t probably false, since it would be weird for him to have one less win con then everyone else. But the fact is, even if he’s scum, it’s ok to give him the bird, because an individual victory will remove him from the game, which would be very much like a scum kill for the arithmetic of the game. So not only should we not lynch Joseph, I think we should maybe lynch elsewhere and — if we hit scum— whoever has the final piece should give it to him. I think a shared win is totally acceptable for town at this point over a loss. Although maybe that’s bad for math of Joseph really is third party. Someone else math this.
Anyway, unvote for now.
Wait, does it imply that the person who gets the bird wins and everyone else loses? That might be the case with Joseph, in which case maybe we should lynch him
Joth, can you say everything you know about the codebook? Everything, every detail, if I have to ask follow up questions you're scum.
This is important for me to know your alignment.
I think Joseph is probably telling the truth. The notebook I decided, which Another town player will be able to verify once I send them the codebook, says that whoever collects all three pieces of the bird will win the game— as an individual, not a team. Also, and I think this is flavor-relevant, it’s the journal of an archaeologist who came to this town to retrieve the final piece and assemble the owl. I think Joseph is probably that guy.
At first I thought Joseph’s claim wasn’t probably false, since it would be weird for him to have one less win con then everyone else. But the fact is, even if he’s scum, it’s ok to give him the bird, because an individual victory will remove him from the game, which would be very much like a scum kill for the arithmetic of the game. So not only should we not lynch Joseph, I think we should maybe lynch elsewhere and — if we hit scum— whoever has the final piece should give it to him. I think a shared win is totally acceptable for town at this point over a loss. Although maybe that’s bad for math of Joseph really is third party. Someone else math this.
Anyway, unvote for now.
Wait, does it imply that the person who gets the bird wins and everyone else loses? That might be the case with Joseph, in which case maybe we should lynch him
No, he said that he will win and then the game keeps going.
Not right now, but I will soon reread the whole thread and take a look at all of the claims and try to make sense of what is going on.
I think Joseph is probably telling the truth. The notebook I decided, which Another town player will be able to verify once I send them the codebook, says that whoever collects all three pieces of the bird will win the game— as an individual, not a team. Also, and I think this is flavor-relevant, it’s the journal of an archaeologist who came to this town to retrieve the final piece and assemble the owl. I think Joseph is probably that guy.
At first I thought Joseph’s claim wasn’t probably false, since it would be weird for him to have one less win con then everyone else. But the fact is, even if he’s scum, it’s ok to give him the bird, because an individual victory will remove him from the game, which would be very much like a scum kill for the arithmetic of the game. So not only should we not lynch Joseph, I think we should maybe lynch elsewhere and — if we hit scum— whoever has the final piece should give it to him. I think a shared win is totally acceptable for town at this point over a loss. Although maybe that’s bad for math of Joseph really is third party. Someone else math this.
Anyway, unvote for now.
Wait, does it imply that the person who gets the bird wins and everyone else loses? That might be the case with Joseph, in which case maybe we should lynch him
No, he said that he will win and then the game keeps going.
Not right now, but I will soon reread the whole thread and take a look at all of the claims and try to make sense of what is going on.
Okay he said that but he could be lying
Agreed but too late know for me, sorry. My role explanation was long enough for me to read, so I assumed it had all the information I needed for the gameIt is true for all players. It is not included in everyone’s role pm because I put it in the setup post.
Well, regardless of anything that is happening in this game, I think possible actions that a role can do should be in the PM, so that the QT holds everything that a person can do.
Maybe I don't know, call it backseat modding or something.
Agreed but too late know for me, sorry. My role explanation was long enough for me to read, so I assumed it had all the information I needed for the gameIt is true for all players. It is not included in everyone’s role pm because I put it in the setup post.
Well, regardless of anything that is happening in this game, I think possible actions that a role can do should be in the PM, so that the QT holds everything that a person can do.
Maybe I don't know, call it backseat modding or something.
I know that I win and the game continues for everyone else. Because it's in my QTI think Joseph is probably telling the truth. The notebook I decided, which Another town player will be able to verify once I send them the codebook, says that whoever collects all three pieces of the bird will win the game— as an individual, not a team. Also, and I think this is flavor-relevant, it’s the journal of an archaeologist who came to this town to retrieve the final piece and assemble the owl. I think Joseph is probably that guy.
At first I thought Joseph’s claim wasn’t probably false, since it would be weird for him to have one less win con then everyone else. But the fact is, even if he’s scum, it’s ok to give him the bird, because an individual victory will remove him from the game, which would be very much like a scum kill for the arithmetic of the game. So not only should we not lynch Joseph, I think we should maybe lynch elsewhere and — if we hit scum— whoever has the final piece should give it to him. I think a shared win is totally acceptable for town at this point over a loss. Although maybe that’s bad for math of Joseph really is third party. Someone else math this.
Anyway, unvote for now.
Wait, does it imply that the person who gets the bird wins and everyone else loses? That might be the case with Joseph, in which case maybe we should lynch him
I will. But it will then presumably take another night until you can use itAgreed but too late know for me, sorry. My role explanation was long enough for me to read, so I assumed it had all the information I needed for the gameIt is true for all players. It is not included in everyone’s role pm because I put it in the setup post.
Well, regardless of anything that is happening in this game, I think possible actions that a role can do should be in the PM, so that the QT holds everything that a person can do.
Maybe I don't know, call it backseat modding or something.
Just give me the item and no one gets hurt.
Well, you know what I mean.
Can you vote scum now?I've been trying to for most of the game
Can you vote scum now?I've been trying to for most of the game
In a long game at the moment, will do it tomorrowCan you vote scum now?I've been trying to for most of the game
This is true.
What are your reads, and why shouldn't you tell your reads?
Joth, can you say everything you know about the codebook? Everything, every detail, if I have to ask follow up questions you're scum.
This is important for me to know your alignment.
@joth, are you saying that anyone with the three pieces (and not just joseph) wins?
Joth, can you say everything you know about the codebook? Everything, every detail, if I have to ask follow up questions you're scum.
This is important for me to know your alignment.
All I know about the codebook is that I started the game with it, that it is full of cyphers, and that I was able to use it to decode the notebook.
I honestly have no idea what you’re getting at. It’s a codebook. It decodes things.
Joth, can you say everything you know about the codebook? Everything, every detail, if I have to ask follow up questions you're scum.
This is important for me to know your alignment.
All I know about the codebook is that I started the game with it, that it is full of cyphers, and that I was able to use it to decode the notebook.
@joth, are you saying that anyone with the three pieces (and not just joseph) wins?
That’s my understanding from the notebook, although it’s also possible that you have to have all three pieces plus the decoded notebook— that is you have to “activate” the win con.
@joth, are you saying that anyone with the three pieces (and not just joseph) wins?
That’s my understanding from the notebook, although it’s also possible that you have to have all three pieces plus the decoded notebook— that is you have to “activate” the win con.
This seems strange to me - we already now that some roles (at least generous townies) have to give an item away. So it woul be extremely hard for them to get all three pieces.
Something doesn't smell right here.
This is BM.@joth, are you saying that anyone with the three pieces (and not just joseph) wins?
That’s my understanding from the notebook, although it’s also possible that you have to have all three pieces plus the decoded notebook— that is you have to “activate” the win con.
This seems strange to me - we already now that some roles (at least generous townies) have to give an item away. So it woul be extremely hard for them to get all three pieces.
Something doesn't smell right here.
Given this is RMM, it's somewhat likely that there's few Generous townies. It's also likely that the notebook information only works for Joseph, although less so.
I will say I struggled with whether to make this Bastard or RMM. After the game I’ll explain my reasoning and we can all decide if I made the right call. Ultimately it came down to me thinking people would be more angry about getting a bastard game when they signed up for a normal one than visa versa.
LaLight if you’re item is a piece of something larger and it’s made of a particular metal, I have a use for it.
LaLight if you’re item is a piece of something larger and it’s made of a particular metal, I have a use for it.
joth played to an anti-town wincon yesterday.
Vote: joth
I just find the whole thing off, and I don't think joth and Joseph are both telling the truth.
It doesn't make a lot of sense for one of them to be scum and seeking the item, because if they did that, then their partners would know they're trying to betray them.
And also, scum stole one of the pieces from me. That wasn't Joseph. It would only have been joth if he was scum, but if scum knew about the owl, then they wouldn't want one of theirs to get a hold of it, so how is this order submitted?
I have doubts about the owl being a wincon-enabler at all.
@joth, are you saying that anyone with the three pieces (and not just joseph) wins?
That’s my understanding from the notebook, although it’s also possible that you have to have all three pieces plus the decoded notebook— that is you have to “activate” the win con.
This seems strange to me - we already now that some roles (at least generous townies) have to give an item away. So it woul be extremely hard for them to get all three pieces.
Something doesn't smell right here.
Given this is RMM, it's somewhat likely that there's few Generous townies. It's also likely that the notebook information only works for Joseph, although less so.
Scum stole from you without knowing what you had. You think they're BOTH scum? I think everything makes sense: there's a 3-piece item that makes someone win, except there's 1 third-party with the tools to do this, as town doesn't have enough power and scum won't coordinate to do this. Everything seems fine.No, on second thought it's perfectly reasonable that scum has an item Cop.
I feel like you assumed I was scum when making this theory.
Scum stole from you without knowing what you had. You think they're BOTH scum? I think everything makes sense: there's a 3-piece item that makes someone win, except there's 1 third-party with the tools to do this, as town doesn't have enough power and scum won't coordinate to do this. Everything seems fine.No, on second thought it's perfectly reasonable that scum has an item Cop.
I feel like you assumed I was scum when making this theory.
I was playing to a non-town wincon yesterday, I'll admit. But not an anti-town one. And that's an important distinction. At the point when I realized pursuit of the owl would veer into anti-town I gave it up.
I was playing to a non-town wincon yesterday, I'll admit. But not an anti-town one. And that's an important distinction. At the point when I realized pursuit of the owl would veer into anti-town I gave it up.
Joth who are you giving the codebook to and how can we organize it without telling scum?
Also, do we care that scum knows, best they can do is kill them or learn nothing.
This is probably a misplay but I prefer claiming things to not.
Also sudgy and ADK are both scum.
I was playing to a non-town wincon yesterday, I'll admit. But not an anti-town one. And that's an important distinction. At the point when I realized pursuit of the owl would veer into anti-town I gave it up.
Joth who are you giving the codebook to and how can we organize it without telling scum?
Also, do we care that scum knows, best they can do is kill them or learn nothing.
This is probably a misplay but I prefer claiming things to not.
Also sudgy and ADK are both scum.
There is no reason to say. I gave the notebook to someone last night. I will be giving the codebook to that same person tonight.
Oh, I think I see what's going on. Ah-ha. Hmmm.
I feel silly for not thinking of that.
Oh, I think I see what's going on. Ah-ha. Hmmm.
I feel silly for not thinking of that.
You should.
So, what now?
Oh, I think I see what's going on. Ah-ha. Hmmm.
I feel silly for not thinking of that.
You should.
So, what now?
I guess there's no reason not to coordinate. It's a pretty poor use of a NK for scum. Who do you townread hard?
And knew what the owl did, and knew what you had, and decided to steal the owl knowing that they would need the 2 other pieces? Other than anything else?Hm, otherwise they stole from me blindly, knowing that I had an item I don't need, and you don't need. It's possible I suppose, but it is quite the coincidence.
Well, I highly doubt it.
Damn, so scum has the third owl pieceAnd knew what the owl did, and knew what you had, and decided to steal the owl knowing that they would need the 2 other pieces? Other than anything else?Hm, otherwise they stole from me blindly, knowing that I had an item I don't need, and you don't need. It's possible I suppose, but it is quite the coincidence.
Well, I highly doubt it.
I am lost, confused and feel like MiX has bad reads, but dominted the discussion and I can either sheep him or fruitlessly try to convince people to do something else.
I am lost, confused and feel like MiX has bad reads, but dominted the discussion and I can either sheep him or fruitlessly try to convince people to do something else.
If only I defended 3 of the 4 known town, right?
Do you think faust is scum, even after knowing he was robbed?
I didn't have any pieces of owl, where did you get this info?
Who had what Didds needed?
I like ADK's plan. I'll start. We're listing items we need right?
Blueberries
Rope
Camera
Glasses
Hat
@faust, are you also talking about an owl piece too?Dunno if it's an owl, I just know it's for some kind of bird. It got stolen from me last night. MiX was the only person who knew I had it.
@faust, are you also talking about an owl piece too?Dunno if it's an owl, I just know it's for some kind of bird. It got stolen from me last night. MiX was the only person who knew I had it.
How did you not know it was for an owl? What DID you know?
Whoever doesn't want me to make 1 post per quote+question, just say so.
@faust, are you also talking about an owl piece too?Dunno if it's an owl, I just know it's for some kind of bird. It got stolen from me last night. MiX was the only person who knew I had it.
How did you not know it was for an owl? What DID you know?
Whoever doesn't want me to make 1 post per quote+question, just say so.
Not faust, but for my piece, it was described as a part of a bird, nor which bird specifically. I'm guessing whoever had the head knew it was an owl.
So the story with the owl is:
Joseph started the game with piece A, still has it.
Scola started the game with piece B, gave it to joth N1, stolen by Joseph N2.
Faust started the game with piece C, offered to trade with mix N1 (mix declined), stolen by unknown N2.
Is this an accurate and complete account?
I thought he said somewhere that he has two pieces, and nobody else claimed to give any to him.So the story with the owl is:
Joseph started the game with piece A, still has it.
Scola started the game with piece B, gave it to joth N1, stolen by Joseph N2.
Faust started the game with piece C, offered to trade with mix N1 (mix declined), stolen by unknown N2.
Is this an accurate and complete account?
Joseph started with a piece? I guess that makes sense balance-wise.
Who's scum?
And is in I believe 3 parts, of which someone (I assume sudgy) gave me 1 last night
My scumread on LL is giving way to sudgy/skip scumteam. sudgy defends skip all day and pushes mislynches.
Vote: skip and I'd like a claim from sudgy in their next post.
My scumread on LL is giving way to sudgy/skip scumteam. sudgy defends skip all day and pushes mislynches.
Vote: skip and I'd like a claim from sudgy in their next post.
Oh no, one person voted for me, I have to claim! Not happening, unless we're doing a massclaim or something. I will say (since I've already hinted at it) that I started the game with an owl piece and gave it to Joseph.
Oh sorry, missed sudgy's owl piece.
I started with 0 piecesI thought he said somewhere that he has two pieces, and nobody else claimed to give any to him.So the story with the owl is:
Joseph started the game with piece A, still has it.
Scola started the game with piece B, gave it to joth N1, stolen by Joseph N2.
Faust started the game with piece C, offered to trade with mix N1 (mix declined), stolen by unknown N2.
Is this an accurate and complete account?
Joseph started with a piece? I guess that makes sense balance-wise.
Who's scum?
I don't know. I'm working my way through your "why is everyone town" and I agree with most of it. Otoh, I was hard townreading adk and LL. It occurs to me that the owl might have some different effect in scum's hands, which means joth might be scum. Scola and sudgy are also good candidates. And then there's always mail-mi!
Ppe
I believe this to be true. I was given one N1 and first thing sudgy did D2 was ask if I received anything usefulMy scumread on LL is giving way to sudgy/skip scumteam. sudgy defends skip all day and pushes mislynches.
Vote: skip and I'd like a claim from sudgy in their next post.
Oh no, one person voted for me, I have to claim! Not happening, unless we're doing a massclaim or something. I will say (since I've already hinted at it) that I started the game with an owl piece and gave it to Joseph.
I like ADK's plan. I'll start. We're listing items we need right?
Blueberries
Rope
Camera
Glasses
Hat
Can you explain your though process on making these fake items?
I like ADK's plan. I'll start. We're listing items we need right?
Blueberries
Rope
Camera
Glasses
Hat
Can you explain your though process on making these fake items?
Uh, I looked around the room, thought for a minute, and said what popped into my head? No other process than that.
I like ADK's plan. I'll start. We're listing items we need right?
Blueberries
Rope
Camera
Glasses
Hat
Can you explain your though process on making these fake items?
Uh, I looked around the room, thought for a minute, and said what popped into my head? No other process than that.
Why did you say Hat when you had a specific type of Hat?
I like ADK's plan. I'll start. We're listing items we need right?
Blueberries
Rope
Camera
Glasses
Hat
Can you explain your though process on making these fake items?
Uh, I looked around the room, thought for a minute, and said what popped into my head? No other process than that.
Why did you say Hat when you had a specific type of Hat?
Wasn't thinking about it, honestly.
I like ADK's plan. I'll start. We're listing items we need right?
Blueberries
Rope
Camera
Glasses
Hat
Can you explain your though process on making these fake items?
Uh, I looked around the room, thought for a minute, and said what popped into my head? No other process than that.
Why did you say Hat when you had a specific type of Hat?
Wasn't thinking about it, honestly.
One town down, 2 or 1 to go.
Who's town out of skip/sudgy/LL/scola/ADK?
Joth, why did you give the notebook and not the codebook?
I finally wrote every claim, and this would complete my townread on you.
Joth, why did you give the notebook and not the codebook?
I finally wrote every claim, and this would complete my townread on you.
Neither does anything without the other, so I just picked one.
Everyone but Joseph has claimed to start with exactly 1 item. This seems to make sense. For me it clears the chance he's scum, although I'm fairly sure there's more items than what have been claimed.Okay clarification needed: I started with 1 item, but it's not useful to me
For example, I can't find what Didds wanted. Maybe Swan had it?
Everyone but Joseph has claimed to start with exactly 1 item. This seems to make sense. For me it clears the chance he's scum, although I'm fairly sure there's more items than what have been claimed.Okay clarification needed: I started with 1 item, but it's not useful to me
For example, I can't find what Didds wanted. Maybe Swan had it?
Or anyone else based on what people have said
Joth, why did you give the notebook and not the codebook?
I finally wrote every claim, and this would complete my townread on you.
Neither does anything without the other, so I just picked one.
What is your role?
Joth, why did you give the notebook and not the codebook?
I finally wrote every claim, and this would complete my townread on you.
Neither does anything without the other, so I just picked one.
What is your role?
Not sure I want to claim yet, though I think I know why you’re asking. Suffice it to say I’m obviously not a GT.
Everyone but Joseph has claimed to start with exactly 1 item. This seems to make sense. For me it clears the chance he's scum, although I'm fairly sure there's more items than what have been claimed.To my memory nobody has claimed to have any item on swan's list either.
For example, I can't find what Didds wanted. Maybe Swan had it?
As stated, I know that it was made of Copper, and that it belonged to a bird. I suppose I am not ornithologist enough to deduce what bird based on the piece of the bird I had.@faust, are you also talking about an owl piece too?Dunno if it's an owl, I just know it's for some kind of bird. It got stolen from me last night. MiX was the only person who knew I had it.
How did you not know it was for an owl? What DID you know?
Whoever doesn't want me to make 1 post per quote+question, just say so.
Galzria
Role: Graverobber
Starting item: unknown
Item needed: none (?)
Transactions: unknown
i missed why knife is confirmed to be in the gameI mean sudgy hasn't denied receiving it to my knowledge. Of course you could be partners.
i missed why knife is confirmed to be in the gameI mean sudgy hasn't denied receiving it to my knowledge. Of course you could be partners.
Both faust and mail-mi voting for lalight is making uneasy about lynching thereIt's the best to be voting for someone that noone else wants to lynch, that way you avoid the bad company!
Okay so based on the claims, I'm town reading sudgy and faust. Because they both wanted to give me owl pieces. I think joth is fine too , as they had a use for the owl piece
Both faust and mail-mi voting for lalight is making uneasy about lynching there
Okay so based on the claims, I'm town reading sudgy and faust. Because they both wanted to give me owl pieces. I think joth is fine too , as they had a use for the owl piece
That's not how you get townreads...
I suppose you want to scumread scola because he didn't know that a part of a metal bird constituted as a statue?
That's what I'm doing.
I like how I'm most town. I feel like I've worked for that, and I like that I'm being rewarded for my effort.
Scola, did you give anything N2? Did you recieve anything N1?
I have been item less since after N1.
Also, this is why I don't trust the anyone can win with the three pieces of the owl. I mean I started with a piece, how am I supposed to collect the other 2, if I have to give it away?
That said, not sure why joth would mislead on that.
That I'm town in what situation?
OK. I agree that is boring. Read all the above I've posted.
And you're asserting I'm scum, because that's too boring.
Well, not much I can do about that. Except point out that the very setup describes this role, the generous towny. So we know boring roles like mine exist. Would it be less boring if it started out with a different item? I still would've had to give it away.
As stated, I know that it was made of Copper, and that it belonged to a bird. I suppose I am not ornithologist enough to deduce what bird based on the piece of the bird I had.@faust, are you also talking about an owl piece too?Dunno if it's an owl, I just know it's for some kind of bird. It got stolen from me last night. MiX was the only person who knew I had it.
How did you not know it was for an owl? What DID you know?
Whoever doesn't want me to make 1 post per quote+question, just say so.
I have been item less since after N1.
Also, this is why I don't trust the anyone can win with the three pieces of the owl. I mean I started with a piece, how am I supposed to collect the other 2, if I have to give it away?
That said, not sure why joth would mislead on that.
OK. I agree that is boring. Read all the above I've posted.
And you're asserting I'm scum, because that's too boring.
Well, not much I can do about that. Except point out that the very setup describes this role, the generous towny. So we know boring roles like mine exist. Would it be less boring if it started out with a different item? I still would've had to give it away.
Yes.
I'm fairly sure you're scum because I'm infinitely more powerful than you, and that's super boring for you if you're actually town.
Rest-of-town: what do you think?
That's strange, because mine said that it was part of an owl.
I think everybody else (that is not a generous townie) are not required to give away items.
OK. I agree that is boring. Read all the above I've posted.
And you're asserting I'm scum, because that's too boring.
Well, not much I can do about that. Except point out that the very setup describes this role, the generous towny. So we know boring roles like mine exist. Would it be less boring if it started out with a different item? I still would've had to give it away.
Yes.
I'm fairly sure you're scum because I'm infinitely more powerful than you, and that's super boring for you if you're actually town.
Rest-of-town: what do you think?
I know you won't listen to me because you think I'm scum, but scola's situation is exactly mine. I guess I will claim now, I'm a generous townie, and started with an owl piece. His situation is identical to mine.
You are a Generous Townie. You have no special powers. Your weapon is your vote. At night, if you have at least one item, you must give at least one item to another player (unless this is overwritten by the item description.)
YesEveryone but Joseph has claimed to start with exactly 1 item. This seems to make sense. For me it clears the chance he's scum, although I'm fairly sure there's more items than what have been claimed.Okay clarification needed: I started with 1 item, but it's not useful to me
For example, I can't find what Didds wanted. Maybe Swan had it?
Or anyone else based on what people have said
Do you still have it?
Sigh, I guess this push was anti-town, I'm sorry.
It feels like there's no actual PRs, or maybe scum just killed them all and we're screwed.
Sigh, I guess this push was anti-town, I'm sorry.
It feels like there's no actual PRs, or maybe scum just killed them all and we're screwed.
Maybe the people with PRs just don't want to claim them? At this point it almost feels like we should mass fullclaim. I mean, we nearly have.
So, I still wonder if the the baseball cap makes someone an IC. (I'm just imaging a little kid with a cap). Maybe it would only do that for generous townies? (clearly it can't for everyone).
I have been item less since after N1.
Also, this is why I don't trust the anyone can win with the three pieces of the owl. I mean I started with a piece, how am I supposed to collect the other 2, if I have to give it away?
That said, not sure why joth would mislead on that.
I have been item less since after N1.
Also, this is why I don't trust the anyone can win with the three pieces of the owl. I mean I started with a piece, how am I supposed to collect the other 2, if I have to give it away?
That said, not sure why joth would mislead on that.
This is a lie; I gave the magnifying glass to scola night one
vote: scola
mail-mi VS skip
faust VS LaLight
ADK VS scola
Does that make sudgy town? I don't wanna believe that...
So, I still wonder if the the baseball cap makes someone an IC. (I'm just imaging a little kid with a cap). Maybe it would only do that for generous townies? (clearly it can't for everyone).
It didn't say that in the description. And I don't know how that would work, if the generous townies could give each other the baseball cap and create a bunch of ICs... Seems imbalanced.
I have been item less since after N1.
Also, this is why I don't trust the anyone can win with the three pieces of the owl. I mean I started with a piece, how am I supposed to collect the other 2, if I have to give it away?
That said, not sure why joth would mislead on that.
This is a lie; I gave the magnifying glass to scola night one
vote: scola
Also, ADK, why give it to me? I didn't claim any needed item. DatSwan at least had a telescope in his list, and that may have been a roundabout way of hinting at a magnifying glass. Did you not trust them (like I didn't Joseph). But then why me?I don't get the whole hinting thing. Like, we did the plan so we could include the explicit item we were looking for. I did not even stop to consider that someone might have put something vague in there.
I have been item less since after N1.
Also, this is why I don't trust the anyone can win with the three pieces of the owl. I mean I started with a piece, how am I supposed to collect the other 2, if I have to give it away?
That said, not sure why joth would mislead on that.
This is a lie; I gave the magnifying glass to scola night one
vote: scola
OK, ADK is scum. I received nothing.
And everyone else who tried giving an item but was intercepted was told that it was intercepted. (right?)
I do agree with MiX that scum might be willing to enter a 1v1 based on #s here. But one way to help prove my innocence would be for other generous townies to claim. I mean, how many can there be?
Also, ADK, why give it to me? I didn't claim any needed item. DatSwan at least had a telescope in his list, and that may have been a roundabout way of hinting at a magnifying glass. Did you not trust them (like I didn't Joseph). But then why me?
@ADK: Did you receive confirmation that you successfully gave away the item?
Also, ADK, why give it to me? I didn't claim any needed item. DatSwan at least had a telescope in his list, and that may have been a roundabout way of hinting at a magnifying glass. Did you not trust them (like I didn't Joseph). But then why me?I don't get the whole hinting thing. Like, we did the plan so we could include the explicit item we were looking for. I did not even stop to consider that someone might have put something vague in there.
Could both of you check back with Glooble?
I have made a mistake. I am sorry I don't know how it happened. I somehow failed to send scola the PM that he received the magnifying glass.
I think the right think to do is just to admit this. I am sorry for anything that was messed up by this.
Scola, would you have to give the magnifying glass this night now?
Scola, would you have to give the magnifying glass this night now?
I've sent a message to mod, asked him to clarify whatever he feels is appropriate in main thread.
vote: LaLightWhy are you ridiculously sure of Mix?
Mostly because (A) we need a wagon today and (B) I am ridiculously sure MiX is town and I like his reasoning, and faust is generally a strong player who I’m also townreading, though less strongly, so this seems like the right place to sheep. If I have time to do some rereading of LaLight of my own I’ll do that today.
but who needs a knife? that's weird
but who needs a knife? that's weird
Glooble told me it has a passive ability, so I'm guessing that it's something similar to the hat.
Also, sorry guys, but my homework is harder than I thought. I'll still try to get my thoughts out there some time tonight, but it will be later than I originally thought.
but who needs a knife? that's weird
Glooble told me it has a passive ability, so I'm guessing that it's something similar to the hat.
Also, sorry guys, but my homework is harder than I thought. I'll still try to get my thoughts out there some time tonight, but it will be later than I originally thought.
You're saying it affects whoever is holding the knife? But you don't k ow what? In the case of the hat, it seemed Awaclus knew what the passive ability was. Why wouldn't that happen here too?
(I had been thinking the baseball cap could also be passive - maybe loved. But again, I would've expected mail-mi to know that.)
What kind of homework?
but who needs a knife? that's weird
Glooble told me it has a passive ability, so I'm guessing that it's something similar to the hat.
Also, sorry guys, but my homework is harder than I thought. I'll still try to get my thoughts out there some time tonight, but it will be later than I originally thought.
A knife is not exactly a pro-town item it would seem, and now it is revealed that it in fact does something on its own. Looks like LaLight giving away the knife is some kind of framing job.
guys, can we lynch faust, pretty please?
guys, can we lynch faust, pretty please?
Eh.
guys, can we lynch faust, pretty please?
Eh.
yeah, I know your position
nah, I'm good
We know that the rope is used to tie people up. When people get tied up in the movies, don't they usually cut themselves out with a knife the bad guy didn't know they had?And why would sudgy know about that, but not LaLight?
maybe the knife is a counter to the rope -- it passively makes the holder un-jailkeepable.
We know that the rope is used to tie people up. When people get tied up in the movies, don't they usually cut themselves out with a knife the bad guy didn't know they had?And why would sudgy know about that, but not LaLight?
maybe the knife is a counter to the rope -- it passively makes the holder un-jailkeepable.
Can you point me to where they described it?We know that the rope is used to tie people up. When people get tied up in the movies, don't they usually cut themselves out with a knife the bad guy didn't know they had?And why would sudgy know about that, but not LaLight?
maybe the knife is a counter to the rope -- it passively makes the holder un-jailkeepable.
To be fair, LL's description and sudgy's description of the knife are very similar, with the only exception being sudgy thinks the knife is working right now.
I don't know what it does. Flavor text says paraphrasingly that you can use it to save yourself from trouble.
We know that the rope is used to tie people up. When people get tied up in the movies, don't they usually cut themselves out with a knife the bad guy didn't know they had?
maybe the knife is a counter to the rope -- it passively makes the holder un-jailkeepable.
Also, those of you who need items, how specifically does it explain what you need?
I ask this because the description of the magnifying glass (paraphrased) talks about seeing object up close, so if that's all you know, I could see Swan thinking telescope, instead of magnifying glass.
Maybe I'm just grasping at straws, but it really seems like he's the one who needed this.
Also, those of you who need items, how specifically does it explain what you need?
I ask this because the description of the magnifying glass (paraphrased) talks about seeing object up close, so if that's all you know, I could see Swan thinking telescope, instead of magnifying glass.
Maybe I'm just grasping at straws, but it really seems like he's the one who needed this.
Mine is very explicit, to the point where I could add the letters of what I have and what I need to answer Didds back in D1.
Also, those of you who need items, how specifically does it explain what you need?
I ask this because the description of the magnifying glass (paraphrased) talks about seeing object up close, so if that's all you know, I could see Swan thinking telescope, instead of magnifying glass.
Maybe I'm just grasping at straws, but it really seems like he's the one who needed this.
Mine is very explicit, to the point where I could add the letters of what I have and what I need to answer Didds back in D1.
Ah, right, good point. I suspected as much.
Still a mystery then. If only I had something that could be investigate that more. /dumbjoke
nah, I'm good
Don't wanna give us any info on what your buddies are? Acceptable.
Nah, sudgy's I remember.I don't know what it does. Flavor text says paraphrasingly that you can use it to save yourself from trouble.
Do you also want sudgy?
I was second-guessing my vote with that whole kniife thing but - you know what? I'm still good.nah, I'm good
Don't wanna give us any info on what your buddies are? Acceptable.
faust and you
but who needs a knife? that's weird
Glooble told me it has a passive ability, so I'm guessing that it's something similar to the hat.
Also, sorry guys, but my homework is harder than I thought. I'll still try to get my thoughts out there some time tonight, but it will be later than I originally thought.
what?! i didn't know that
Mine did not refer to the notebook using the word notebook.
Let's not make this another frantic last minute lynch.Vote: LL
All move to lalight
vote:lalight
Let's not make this another frantic last minute lynch.Why do you think LL is scum?
All move to lalight
vote:lalight
Same question.Let's not make this another frantic last minute lynch.Vote: LL
All move to lalight
vote:lalight
Let's not make this another frantic last minute lynch.Why do you think LL is scum?
All move to lalight
vote:lalight
Answering unknowns from sudgy: faust did try to trade me an owl piece, specifically the Wings, so we can name the individual owl pieces (there's a Head, Wings and ??? from what I've seen).
Answering your real inquiries, joth didn't claim to start with 2 items, right?
Answering unknowns from sudgy: faust did try to trade me an owl piece, specifically the Wings, so we can name the individual owl pieces (there's a Head, Wings and ??? from what I've seen).
Answering your real inquiries, joth didn't claim to start with 2 items, right?
Joth started with the code book and an owl piece.
Answering unknowns from sudgy: faust did try to trade me an owl piece, specifically the Wings, so we can name the individual owl pieces (there's a Head, Wings and ??? from what I've seen).
Answering your real inquiries, joth didn't claim to start with 2 items, right?
Joth started with the code book and an owl piece.
No: scola, faust and you started with owl pieces.
Yes, I started with another item as well. Not likely to answer questions about what it was or whether I still have it. Suffice it to say it's unrelated to the codebook/notebook situation.
Let's not make this another frantic last minute lynch.Vote: LL
All move to lalight
vote:lalight
Let's not make this another frantic last minute lynch.Vote: LL
All move to lalight
vote:lalight
Unannounced L-1, just like to point out
So, giving could be seen as town, makes sense. Especially with owl pieces, there's no reason to give those away as scum.
I guess one question I have is do scum need items?
I had assumed if they did, that those items would start with town. But now I could also see them starting with their partners items. Because if they give them directly, while powerful, also could be very suspicious.
For example, scum A gives scum b an item. We eventually lynch scum b, and learn their role and that the item they got seems elated. Now we would strongly suspect scum A. i.e. scum starting with a partner's scum item has cons that balance the pros.
Let's not make this another frantic last minute lynch.Vote: LL
All move to lalight
vote:lalight
Unannounced L-1, just like to point out
Oh no, the third-party is doing anti-town things to make us not lynch him today!
Can you hammer?
Is this really L-1?Let's not make this another frantic last minute lynch.Vote: LL
All move to lalight
vote:lalight
Unannounced L-1, just like to point out
Oh no, the third-party is doing anti-town things to make us not lynch him today!
Can you hammer?
Is this really L-1?
That at least means this is not mylo, or LL is scum.
Personally I highly doubt there's four baddies.Is this really L-1?
That at least means this is not mylo, or LL is scum.
Yes, it is. I was tempted to bold that so ash could hammer...
There would have to be 4 scum and Joseph be third-party for this to be MyLo...which I guess is possible. So, yeah, this should show that LL is scum.
I'm going to be so upset if LL flips town.
Personally I highly doubt there's four baddies.Is this really L-1?
That at least means this is not mylo, or LL is scum.
Yes, it is. I was tempted to bold that so ash could hammer...
There would have to be 4 scum and Joseph be third-party for this to be MyLo...which I guess is possible. So, yeah, this should show that LL is scum.
I'm going to be so upset if LL flips town.
Right. I was mainly posting this in response to you saying earlier in the day that it was likely mylo.Personally I highly doubt there's four baddies.Is this really L-1?
That at least means this is not mylo, or LL is scum.
Yes, it is. I was tempted to bold that so ash could hammer...
There would have to be 4 scum and Joseph be third-party for this to be MyLo...which I guess is possible. So, yeah, this should show that LL is scum.
I'm going to be so upset if LL flips town.
If there aren't 4 baddies, then it couldn't be MyLo, so...
Right. I was mainly posting this in response to you saying earlier in the day that it was likely mylo.
Who claimed GT? Scola and sudgy? Has everybody else confirmed they are non-gt, or do we have some unknowns?
who's left? Adk?Who claimed GT? Scola and sudgy? Has everybody else confirmed they are non-gt, or do we have some unknowns?
Not everyone has claimed.
I had to give it to someone
who's left? Adk?Who claimed GT? Scola and sudgy? Has everybody else confirmed they are non-gt, or do we have some unknowns?
Not everyone has claimed.
I had to give it to someone
I've as good as claimed
I'm so confused right now.
I'm so confused right now.
I'm so confused right now.
Okay so if you read the GT information, it has something weird. I'm the only person with that weird thing. Why.
This setup makes no sense.
Okay so if you read the GT information, it has something weird. I'm the only person with that weird thing. Why.
This setup makes no sense.
So your claiming GT?
Good night everyone.
I don't expect to live. I would coordinate with Joseph if I trusted him. I don't, gee I wonder why.
Joseph, please steal from (scola, mail-mi, skip, sudgy, ADK). Unless LL flips thief, in which case GG.
faust is scum for pretending to think LaLight is scum. I was gonna do a whole thing to try to lynch him, but I came back and LaLight was hammered.
Good night everyone.
I don't expect to live. I would coordinate with Joseph if I trusted him. I don't, gee I wonder why.
Joseph, please steal from (scola, mail-mi, skip, sudgy, ADK). Unless LL flips thief, in which case GG.
I don't have any items, though.
The argument that "x is scum because their reads don't make sense to me" is not universally valid. It depends heavily on the players involved and the type of read given. Specifically, faust scumreading LaLight for self-voting in the situation where LaLight self-voted seems extremely disingenuous.faust is scum for pretending to think LaLight is scum. I was gonna do a whole thing to try to lynch him, but I came back and LaLight was hammered.
Yeah well I have it the other way around, idk.
faust is scum for pretending to think LaLight is scum. I was gonna do a whole thing to try to lynch him, but I came back and LaLight was hammered.
what the actual hell, people? thank god I gave my item away.
faist and MiX play you all. MiX might be confused town though, but i am not sure.
also Eevee's scum.
what the actual hell, people? thank god I gave my item away.Why eevee? Do you think he didn't have the rope?
faist and MiX play you all. MiX might be confused town though, but i am not sure.
also Eevee's scum.
what the actual hell, people? thank god I gave my item away.Why eevee? Do you think he didn't have the rope?
faist and MiX play you all. MiX might be confused town though, but i am not sure.
also Eevee's scum.
faust is scum for pretending to think LaLight is scum. I was gonna do a whole thing to try to lynch him, but I came back and LaLight was hammered.
what the actual hell, people? thank god I gave my item away.
faist and MiX play you all. MiX might be confused town though, but i am not sure.
also Eevee's scum.
Don't self vote.
That completely blinded me this game.
And I know 1 person who isn't the person collecting owl pieces (because I attempted to steal from someone and they had 0 items)
I feel you on the lack of motivation; there's a lot to read this game but so much of it is kind of pointless discussion about the items that it's hard for me to get any sort of actual read on just about anybodyYou feel Joseph's lakc of motivation? Are you claiming third-party as well?
Town- I'm still on your side, we need to find the scum looking for owl pieces. If they steal from me again, it'll be bad for you lot, and bad for me tooBecause a scum will be eliminated from the game? How is that bad for us?
Yes. Honestly didn't know who to choose, and you hammered the bad wagonAnd I know 1 person who isn't the person collecting owl pieces (because I attempted to steal from someone and they had 0 items)
I'm assuming that's me, as I got a message saying someone tried to steal from me even though I don't have any items
I am somewhat confused by MiX's flip. Wasn't he supposed to be needing an item from Didds? @Joseph, I thought you had that item, can you clarify?Last night I gave the item that I stole from Didds N1. But I don't see how it's useful to MiX either
I'm not scumTown- I'm still on your side, we need to find the scum looking for owl pieces. If they steal from me again, it'll be bad for you lot, and bad for me tooBecause a scum will be eliminated from the game? How is that bad for us?
I'm not scumTown- I'm still on your side, we need to find the scum looking for owl pieces. If they steal from me again, it'll be bad for you lot, and bad for me tooBecause a scum will be eliminated from the game? How is that bad for us?
I'm not saying ADK is town, just that they aren't the owl hoarding scum personYes. Honestly didn't know who to choose, and you hammered the bad wagonAnd I know 1 person who isn't the person collecting owl pieces (because I attempted to steal from someone and they had 0 items)
I'm assuming that's me, as I got a message saying someone tried to steal from me even though I don't have any items
I feel you on the lack of motivation; there's a lot to read this game but so much of it is kind of pointless discussion about the items that it's hard for me to get any sort of actual read on just about anybodyYou feel Joseph's lakc of motivation? Are you claiming third-party as well?
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I feel lack of motivation about this game in general. Or more like disheartened, I don't know
I gave faust the codebook. Faust, did MiX give you the notebook? We’re you able to put them together and confirm what I said?I only have the codebook. I don't know where the notebook is, did MiX die with it?
Passing items will occur second-to-last in the night action resolution order, before only nightkills.
Okay so if you read the GT information, it has something weird. I'm the only person with that weird thing. Why.
This setup makes no sense.
You are a Generous Townie. You have no special powers. Your weapon is your vote. At night, if you have at least one item, you must give at least one item to another player (unless this is overwritten by the item description.)
Okay so if you read the GT information, it has something weird. I'm the only person with that weird thing. Why.
This setup makes no sense.You are a Generous Townie. You have no special powers. Your weapon is your vote. At night, if you have at least one item, you must give at least one item to another player (unless this is overwritten by the item description.)
I'm assuming MiX was talking about what I bolded in this quote. He also said he had a lot of power. Joseph, I'm assuming the item MiX needed had to do with the item he had, which had nothing to do with his role. Does the item you had seem to be missing a part?
Wait, are we really at LyLo? Or are we just saying that we should act like we're at LyLo because there might be four scum, or because scum can convince Joseph to help them?
Oh fudge. Standby.Does this mean faust does indeed have the notebook?
So you can only steal 1 item? And yet you are claiming 2 items were stolen from you last night? But also there was a third item that wasn't stolen from you?Joseph, if someone has more than 1 item, how is it determined what you end up stealing?There is a mod-determined process for it. I don't know the process
I can steal one itemSo you can only steal 1 item? And yet you are claiming 2 items were stolen from you last night? But also there was a third item that wasn't stolen from you?Joseph, if someone has more than 1 item, how is it determined what you end up stealing?There is a mod-determined process for it. I don't know the process
Right
Vote: skipSo you can only steal 1 item? And yet you are claiming 2 items were stolen from you last night? But also there was a third item that wasn't stolen from you?Joseph, if someone has more than 1 item, how is it determined what you end up stealing?There is a mod-determined process for it. I don't know the process
Right
faust, you never answered my question from before. Why did you claim to need items on day 1, when LaLight said he didn't need items?I did not claim that?
I do. It appears that joth was indeed telling the truth.Oh fudge. Standby.Does this mean faust does indeed have the notebook?
faust, you never answered my question from before. Why did you claim to need items on day 1, when LaLight said he didn't need items?I did not claim that?
Here are my things:
Golden talisman
Scarf
Access card
Pickled fish
Rollerblades
So someone (presumably scum) stole from me and so they have 2 parts of the owl nowSorry Joseph.
N2 investigated Joth, found out he had the torso and know has the wings
I'm an apprentice treasure hunter. Seems it's a back up role for Joseph, I'm town until he dies and then inherit whatever powers and factions he currently is/has. I prefer playing for town.Wait, so you have it mod-confirmed that when Joseph dies, your alignment will change to whatever his is?
For my night action, I can investigate who has pieces of the copper owl.
N1 investigated Galzria, didn't have any (and tried to give the rope I started with to mail-mi but was intercepted and the rope was stolen)
N2 investigated Joth, found out he had the torso and know has the wings
N3 investigated Joseph, but couldn't complete the action because I was tied up with the rope
*should say now, not knowN2 investigated Joth, found out he had the torso and know has the wings
What do you mean by this? Glooble told you that Joth knew who has the wings?
*should say now, not knowN2 investigated Joth, found out he had the torso and know has the wings
What do you mean by this? Glooble told you that Joth knew who has the wings?
Wait, yeah that means joth stole them from faust!*should say now, not knowN2 investigated Joth, found out he had the torso and know has the wings
What do you mean by this? Glooble told you that Joth knew who has the wings?
Now? Like, the current moment? Last I heard about the wings, faust got them stolen from him N2.
So scum is joth/mail-mi/xxx
I do not have the rope
You're still lying about what the owl does, though.I'm not lying about what it does for me
Why is it bad if scum has the owl?
if joseph dies, i inherit his win condition and powers. i'm not told what they are, but sounds serial killery.Do you also inherit my items?
i am not told. i won't inherit the win condition if it's impossible to win.if joseph dies, i inherit his win condition and powers. i'm not told what they are, but sounds serial killery.Do you also inherit my items?
Eevee, why not say this yesterday?just didn't realize how significant the information was.
So in everyone else's perspective, either me or skip has to be scum. Rope was stolen from Eevee N1 (presumably by scum) and now someone has been tied up with it. Unless there's a third sailor who is mafia aligned who has just been laughing this whole time, skip or I are scum.
Ok this is happening really fast and I need to go right now, and I don't want to leave my vote somewhere without thinking this through. I'll be back tomorrow. Seems like the best plan is to lynch joth today, so he can't steal the third piece from Joseph tonight. Then Joseph can start graverobbing him to get additional pieces and win and leave the game. Then we lynch mail-mi tomorrow.
I'll think about it some more and I'll be back tomorrow night.
Meanwhile, Joseph should unvote me asap please.
Ppe
So, here's a theory: what if when someone wins with the owl, they can also give all of the owl pieces? Then scum can just keep giving each other the owl pieces, and they win.
vote: joth that's L-1 baby!
Also, I'll want to reread, but let's say joth is theif, which seems possible). If he stole rope N1, how could he give both that to scum sailor and a 2nd item to mix? (do I remember correctly, that he gave mix one of the codebook / notebook - I'm pretty sure he did)
Also, I'll want to reread, but let's say joth is theif, which seems possible). If he stole rope N1, how could he give both that to scum sailor and a 2nd item to mix? (do I remember correctly, that he gave mix one of the codebook / notebook - I'm pretty sure he did)
Oh wait, maybe we're saying joth stole owl piece, and other scum stole rope. (both were stolen N1? like I said I need to reread; am completely typing stream of conscious without verifying my fact)
Head (for what it matters)Also, I'll want to reread, but let's say joth is theif, which seems possible). If he stole rope N1, how could he give both that to scum sailor and a 2nd item to mix? (do I remember correctly, that he gave mix one of the codebook / notebook - I'm pretty sure he did)
Oh wait, maybe we're saying joth stole owl piece, and other scum stole rope. (both were stolen N1? like I said I need to reread; am completely typing stream of conscious without verifying my fact)
The owl wings were stolen N2, not N1. So N1 he stole the rope, N2 he stole the wings, N3 he stole either the torso or the head (not sure which).
Agree with this.Ok this is happening really fast and I need to go right now, and I don't want to leave my vote somewhere without thinking this through. I'll be back tomorrow. Seems like the best plan is to lynch joth today, so he can't steal the third piece from Joseph tonight. Then Joseph can start graverobbing him to get additional pieces and win and leave the game. Then we lynch mail-mi tomorrow.
I'll think about it some more and I'll be back tomorrow night.
Meanwhile, Joseph should unvote me asap please.
Ppe
Actually, that makes sense. Vote: Joth.
N2 investigated Joth, found out he had the torso and know has the wings
It doesn't work for him to have stolen the rope N1. Because on N2 de definitely gave the codebook to MiX on N2. He couldn't have also given the rope to a scum sailor.
I have a couple of thoughts, but I don't think joth is quite as scum as everyone is saying. I'm not going to say them out loud because if he is scum I don't want to give him any fakeclaim ideas.
Meanwhile, to me, skip is 100% scum at this point, we should have lynched him d1.
I have a couple of thoughts, but I don't think joth is quite as scum as everyone is saying. I'm not going to say them out loud because if he is scum I don't want to give him any fakeclaim ideas.
Meanwhile, to me, skip is 100% scum at this point, we should have lynched him d1.
I've tried for a skip vote every day, man.
Last night I bugged skip and was told that when I went to recover my bug, I found it had been discovered and smashed. Idk if that means he’s scum, or scum visited him. Or none of the above.
Night 2 I bugged Galzria and was told that it picked up the sound of some activity, which I thought was suspicious but not really definitive so I chose not to claim it.
I do. It appears that joth was indeed telling the truth.Oh fudge. Standby.Does this mean faust does indeed have the notebook?
I think mail-mi and faust, but less sure about those. Faust still hasn't explained why he posted items he wanted D1, and since skip/mail-mi are now basically confirmed to be town vs scum, it makes faust vs LaLight more likely to be town vs scum as well.
I think mail-mi and faust, but less sure about those. Faust still hasn't explained why he posted items he wanted D1, and since skip/mail-mi are now basically confirmed to be town vs scum, it makes faust vs LaLight more likely to be town vs scum as well.
why mail-mi over skip? I've been thinking it's been skip, but not nearly as sure anymore.
I do think the extra vote after I hammered is suspiciously trying to get town cred.
We need a plan. If Joseph gets all of the owl pieces and leaves, we're done for. How can we do this?
Partners, I think that you should do the plan tonight that I suggested doing last night.
My idea is to get us down to mail-mi, skip, and Joseph, then Joseph leaves, and who knows what happens next.
Actually, a much, much, better idea: Joseph, try to steal from mail-mi or skip. If you get the Rope, give it to the other, and then once there's one mafia left, we can keep blocking kills with a couple town to spare, give you all of the owl pieces with all of the time in the world, you leave, and we still have a couple more people to lynch the last mafia with.
Since Joseph has an owl piece and scum is about to lose their thief, we should be safe from scum getting all of the owl pieces.
Since Joseph has an owl piece and scum is about to lose their thief, we should be safe from scum getting all of the owl pieces.
To be clear, I wasn't saying that their plan is to get the pieces from Joseph, but to give them all to him.
I'm assuming faust is scum pawnbroker, mail-mi/skip are the town/scum sailors, and ADK is the scum graverobber.
The plan was for everyone to post a list of 5 items that includes the item they need, and for people who don't need any items to just post a list of 5 random items, which is what I did. As otherwise it would be obvious who doesn't need anything.faust, you never answered my question from before. Why did you claim to need items on day 1, when LaLight said he didn't need items?I did not claim that?Here are my things:
Golden talisman
Scarf
Access card
Pickled fish
Rollerblades
Lol joth is dead, right?
The plan was for everyone to post a list of 5 items that includes the item they need, and for people who don't need any items to just post a list of 5 random items, which is what I did. As otherwise it would be obvious who doesn't need anything.faust, you never answered my question from before. Why did you claim to need items on day 1, when LaLight said he didn't need items?I did not claim that?Here are my things:
Golden talisman
Scarf
Access card
Pickled fish
Rollerblades
Also, note that this makes scola and me basically confirmed town, because we could have unvoted and hoped Joseph would join us as scum if what Joth says is true.Yeah I doubt the whole scum team would out themselves in a hope to convince Joseph.
I think mail-mi and faust, but less sure about those. Faust still hasn't explained why he posted items he wanted D1, and since skip/mail-mi are now basically confirmed to be town vs scum, it makes faust vs LaLight more likely to be town vs scum as well.How does that logic work? One would think that if we know there's a scum in mail-mi/skip, it would be less likely that any other given player is scum.
Well he was. I could give you the things to confirm, but you'd have to give one away before that, so I think they need to go to someone else.I do. It appears that joth was indeed telling the truth.Oh fudge. Standby.Does this mean faust does indeed have the notebook?
There's this. ^^^ for faust.
Also, in case we were doubting joseph, joth is seemingly confirming him as not scum, too.
Whoops. Uh, Joseph if you unvote me and vote for Eevee we can deliver you a shared victory tonight. It’s your only hope of winning the game, we have you locked out otherwise.Was asleep, it was 5am here... also, not convinced this is true either
Since Joseph has an owl piece and scum is about to lose their thief, we should be safe from scum getting all of the owl pieces.I would expect so, yes. I'm just going to be grave robbing joth as well, so you're all safe
And if scum do stop me tonight, I'll try and play for the town team. It's only way that I have a (ridiculously remote) chance of winning
I'd also like us to question eevee a little more.My investigations also cover the past. The result was that joth had had the owl torso last night (N1) and now (N2) had the wings.
Can you explain this sentence more clearly:N2 investigated Joth, found out he had the torso and know has the wings
I get the type is "now" instead of "know", but am still unclear. Are you saying you investigated joth N2 and were told he had told he had two pieces, the torso and the wings? I'm trying to understand why the "now" at all, were you told he had just acquired that piece, then? (i.e. he had torso N1, then acquired (presumable via stealing) the wings N2)?
When I win, I can give my items (presumably not the owl) to other people. So I can distribute any other items I have (currently none) amongst othersWe need a plan. If Joseph gets all of the owl pieces and leaves, we're done for. How can we do this?
Yeah, I'm concerned the plan specified below:Partners, I think that you should do the plan tonight that I suggested doing last night.
is to get Joseph all the pieces of the owl.
So is there a way for both Joseph and town to win at this point?
When I win, I can give my items (presumably not the owl) to other people. So I can distribute any other items I have (currently none) amongst othersWe need a plan. If Joseph gets all of the owl pieces and leaves, we're done for. How can we do this?
Yeah, I'm concerned the plan specified below:Partners, I think that you should do the plan tonight that I suggested doing last night.
is to get Joseph all the pieces of the owl.
So is there a way for both Joseph and town to win at this point?
Mafia Goon who had also been converted into a Treasure Hunter.@faust, any idea what this means?
Joseph, you're still with us. which means you did not get all the owl pieces*. Did you get / try to get the rope?Not exactly. Turns up I'm tied up with the rope, so couldn't do anything last night
* assuming you'd leave the day after you got them all
Seems Joseph is a cult of some sort?I have doubts. Let's wait for faust.
Joseph, you're still with us. which means you did not get all the owl pieces*. Did you get / try to get the rope?Not exactly. Turns up I'm tied up with the rope, so couldn't do anything last night
* assuming you'd leave the day after you got them all
Joseph, you're still with us. which means you did not get all the owl pieces*. Did you get / try to get the rope?Not exactly. Turns up I'm tied up with the rope, so couldn't do anything last night
* assuming you'd leave the day after you got them all
Scum sailor (see: skip) doesn't want you figuring out he has the rope, I suppose. Who did you try to target?
Obvious how?Who is scum, of course.
What else do we need to figure out?
Joseph, you're still with us. which means you did not get all the owl pieces*. Did you get / try to get the rope?Not exactly. Turns up I'm tied up with the rope, so couldn't do anything last night
* assuming you'd leave the day after you got them all
Scum sailor (see: skip) doesn't want you figuring out he has the rope, I suppose. Who did you try to target?
I mean, this could be true of either of you, no?
I'd love to see skip and mail-mi each make the case for why they are town and the other is scum. (is there a scenario where they're both scum? - seems unlikely to me)
It's a reflection of the other win condition. I would also flip with both town and Treasure Hunter.Seems Joseph is a cult of some sort?I have doubts. Let's wait for faust.
Whom did you investigate last night?
And this win-con is activated when you get the codebook and notebook?It's a reflection of the other win condition. I would also flip with both town and Treasure Hunter.Seems Joseph is a cult of some sort?I have doubts. Let's wait for faust.
Whom did you investigate last night?
Also, Treasure Hunters are not Survivors. They end the game and win alone when they get all the pieces.
It's a reflection of the other win condition. I would also flip with both town and Treasure Hunter.Seems Joseph is a cult of some sort?I have doubts. Let's wait for faust.
Whom did you investigate last night?
Also, Treasure Hunters are not Survivors. They end the game and win alone when they get all the pieces.
Wait, the game ends for everybody? So all other players lose?It's a reflection of the other win condition. I would also flip with both town and Treasure Hunter.Seems Joseph is a cult of some sort?I have doubts. Let's wait for faust.
Whom did you investigate last night?
Also, Treasure Hunters are not Survivors. They end the game and win alone when they get all the pieces.
Yes.And this win-con is activated when you get the codebook and notebook?It's a reflection of the other win condition. I would also flip with both town and Treasure Hunter.Seems Joseph is a cult of some sort?I have doubts. Let's wait for faust.
Whom did you investigate last night?
Also, Treasure Hunters are not Survivors. They end the game and win alone when they get all the pieces.
Correct.Wait, the game ends for everybody? So all other players lose?It's a reflection of the other win condition. I would also flip with both town and Treasure Hunter.Seems Joseph is a cult of some sort?I have doubts. Let's wait for faust.
Whom did you investigate last night?
Also, Treasure Hunters are not Survivors. They end the game and win alone when they get all the pieces.
@faust, why didn't you say this yesterday?I figured that blowing Joseph's cover would eliminate every chance of them cooperating with us. Which does not seem as relevant now.
@faust, did you give one of the books away last night?No, I kept them.
Do all treasure hunters win together as a team? They need to collectively get all the pieces, or does one individual need to hold all of them?Also, what's the answer to this one, please?
Does becoming a treasure hunter give you any powers, like, being able to steal stuff, for example?It didn't give me any powers. It seems like it might make a Generous Townie ungenerous, but Glooble is a bit vague on that topic.Do all treasure hunters win together as a team? They need to collectively get all the pieces, or does one individual need to hold all of them?Also, what's the answer to this one, please?
Wss your last remaining owl piece stolen?No I still have it.
That isn't true according to my role as written in my QTWait, the game ends for everybody? So all other players lose?It's a reflection of the other win condition. I would also flip with both town and Treasure Hunter.Seems Joseph is a cult of some sort?I have doubts. Let's wait for faust.
Whom did you investigate last night?
Also, Treasure Hunters are not Survivors. They end the game and win alone when they get all the pieces.
That isn't true according to my role as written in my QTWait, the game ends for everybody? So all other players lose?It's a reflection of the other win condition. I would also flip with both town and Treasure Hunter.Seems Joseph is a cult of some sort?I have doubts. Let's wait for faust.
Whom did you investigate last night?
Also, Treasure Hunters are not Survivors. They end the game and win alone when they get all the pieces.
Was anybody thieved last night?I was not thieved and I was unable to thieve anyone as I was tied up
YesThat isn't true according to my role as written in my QTWait, the game ends for everybody? So all other players lose?It's a reflection of the other win condition. I would also flip with both town and Treasure Hunter.Seems Joseph is a cult of some sort?I have doubts. Let's wait for faust.
Whom did you investigate last night?
Also, Treasure Hunters are not Survivors. They end the game and win alone when they get all the pieces.
Are you a Treasure Hunter?
I'm not sure exactly sure what is going on here but I'm pretty sure vote: josephI'm pretty sure not.
Or eevee is mafia and Joseph isn't.I'm not sure exactly sure what is going on here but I'm pretty sure vote: josephI'm pretty sure not.
If eevee was telling the truth, then lynching Joseph will convert eevee into non-town. Which is bad. Also, eevee confirmed that Joseph is third party, so they're either both mafia or neither.
How likely do you think it is that there are 3 scum alive?Not super likely. Seems like town's powers, being contingent on item, are fairly weak, and there are up to 2 third-parties plus an option for additional players to follow an anti-town wincon.
Maybe he didn't know the rope was loud?Or, maybe eevee made it up. That would take coordination with Joseph though...
Maybe there's a third rope dude hiding in the shadows...
I suppose it's possible that Eevee/Joseph are already a faction. Their powers certainly complement each other well.he claimed getting roped the next night.
I don't see the point where this takes coordination with Joseph though.
But anyway it's probably that mail-mi didn't know it was loud. I didn't know it was loud either, so there's that.Probably, but even if it wasn't loud, in a game where everyone usually has a night action available it would be reasonable to assume that people would find out they were blocked.
True, true. Well. I feel like it's a worthwile effort to check for interactions with joth. If there are actually three Sailors nd the scum one is unclaimed... then we have a big problem.Joseph tried to steal from adk N3, but adk had nothing. So he can't have the rope unless Joseph lied.
Who could that be? Only one of scola/ADK right? Even from an outside perspective, it is known that I have another role. maybe I'll also go look into their reactions to the whole rope situation.
YeahBut anyway it's probably that mail-mi didn't know it was loud. I didn't know it was loud either, so there's that.Probably, but even if it wasn't loud, in a game where everyone usually has a night action available it would be reasonable to assume that people would find out they were blocked.
Vote: No lynchScum is blocking you. They're probably doing that because they believe you're lying, that the game ends when you win, and everyone else loses. It doesn't matter whether or not you're actually lying. All that matters is you need to lynch whoever's blocking you if you want to win.
Best thing I can do right now, I need game to go as long as possible
Here's another thing that's bugging me (though maybe faust can't help me with this one). On D2, joth and Joseph each claim to have a piece of the statue (I think). At this point, joth has already decoded the notebook, so he's a treasure hunter, looking for more pieces. Joseph does the predictable, logical thing and steals joth's piece. But joth doesn't steal Joseph's piece. Instead, (according to faust and eevee,) he steals faust's piece. Did he know faust had a piece? He definitely knew Joseph had one. What's up with that? Did faust give joth the piece, and actually joth had no ability to steal? All ideas are welcome.Does the timing work out in that it was already known that Joseph had a piece?
You're right I guessVote: No lynchScum is blocking you. They're probably doing that because they believe you're lying, that the game ends when you win, and everyone else loses. It doesn't matter whether or not you're actually lying. All that matters is you need to lynch whoever's blocking you if you want to win.
Best thing I can do right now, I need game to go as long as possible
Hint: their name isn't No Lynch.
Well you convinced me to give you my piece of the statue so clearly it wasn't that stupid.You're right I guessVote: No lynchScum is blocking you. They're probably doing that because they believe you're lying, that the game ends when you win, and everyone else loses. It doesn't matter whether or not you're actually lying. All that matters is you need to lynch whoever's blocking you if you want to win.
Best thing I can do right now, I need game to go as long as possible
Hint: their name isn't No Lynch.
Vote: faust
For trying to convince everyone that I'm an SK or trying to win alone
I wouldn't have been that dumb to come out so early unless my role didn't matter to other people
Wait what????????Well you convinced me to give you my piece of the statue so clearly it wasn't that stupid.You're right I guessVote: No lynchScum is blocking you. They're probably doing that because they believe you're lying, that the game ends when you win, and everyone else loses. It doesn't matter whether or not you're actually lying. All that matters is you need to lynch whoever's blocking you if you want to win.
Best thing I can do right now, I need game to go as long as possible
Hint: their name isn't No Lynch.
Vote: faust
For trying to convince everyone that I'm an SK or trying to win alone
I wouldn't have been that dumb to come out so early unless my role didn't matter to other people
I didn't get your statue, joth stole itWell you convinced me to give you my piece of the statue so clearly it wasn't that stupid.You're right I guessVote: No lynchScum is blocking you. They're probably doing that because they believe you're lying, that the game ends when you win, and everyone else loses. It doesn't matter whether or not you're actually lying. All that matters is you need to lynch whoever's blocking you if you want to win.
Best thing I can do right now, I need game to go as long as possible
Hint: their name isn't No Lynch.
Vote: faust
For trying to convince everyone that I'm an SK or trying to win alone
I wouldn't have been that dumb to come out so early unless my role didn't matter to other people
I think it was already known. I plan to go back and czech.Here's another thing that's bugging me (though maybe faust can't help me with this one). On D2, joth and Joseph each claim to have a piece of the statue (I think). At this point, joth has already decoded the notebook, so he's a treasure hunter, looking for more pieces. Joseph does the predictable, logical thing and steals joth's piece. But joth doesn't steal Joseph's piece. Instead, (according to faust and eevee,) he steals faust's piece. Did he know faust had a piece? He definitely knew Joseph had one. What's up with that? Did faust give joth the piece, and actually joth had no ability to steal? All ideas are welcome.Does the timing work out in that it was already known that Joseph had a piece?
Anyways my assumption has been that scum has an item Cop. That doesn't seem all that unlikely in this setup. They copped me N1 and then stole.
When did you give Joseph your piece of the statue?I intended to give it to them when mafia stole it.
Your assumption leads me to another question. What exactly did joth want with all these owl pieces? Did he want to win alone and ditch his buddies, or is there some other use for the statue in scum hands? Joth flipped as a goon, implying that he had no special stealing powers. So probably if scum can steal, it's a factional thing? So joth is running about the place, using mafia's factional steal to get owl pieces for his own personal win? I mean...It makes sense either way, doesn't it? joth lied to his partners to go for the solo win, or he told the truth, so scum knew that Joseph would end the game if he got them all, and they tried to get hold of one owl piece to prevent that from happening.
Plus, last night scum didn't steal Joseph's piece. So have they stopped chasing the owl?
I can't even keep track of the things I don't get at this point.
For the hundredth time, I don't win alone. You can try and convince everyone that I do, but I don'tYour assumption leads me to another question. What exactly did joth want with all these owl pieces? Did he want to win alone and ditch his buddies, or is there some other use for the statue in scum hands? Joth flipped as a goon, implying that he had no special stealing powers. So probably if scum can steal, it's a factional thing? So joth is running about the place, using mafia's factional steal to get owl pieces for his own personal win? I mean...It makes sense either way, doesn't it? joth lied to his partners to go for the solo win, or he told the truth, so scum knew that Joseph would end the game if he got them all, and they tried to get hold of one owl piece to prevent that from happening.
Plus, last night scum didn't steal Joseph's piece. So have they stopped chasing the owl?
I can't even keep track of the things I don't get at this point.
There is of course a nonzero chance that the win condition from the codebook/notebook and the win condition that Joseph has do not coincide, but I wouldn't risk anything on that assumption.Great. Well then I have a zero chance of doing anything for the rest of the game
I get the frustration, but unfortunately, we also cannot afford to lynch you, so you're going to have to stick around. It's not an ideal situation for you.There is of course a nonzero chance that the win condition from the codebook/notebook and the win condition that Joseph has do not coincide, but I wouldn't risk anything on that assumption.Great. Well then I have a zero chance of doing anything for the rest of the game
@eevee, at the time you claimed yesterday, did you realize your claim would incriminate joth? You didn't vote for him until sudgy and I pointed it out.I did not or I would have claimed the day before.
Our best odds at hitting scum are in the mail-mi - skip duo, maybe we should start there tonight?Interesting. My order is exactly the opposite.
Out of the rest, I think scola>ADK>faust for towniness.
Question to mail-mi and skip:I've not decided yet.
Do you think our lynch pool for today should be [mail-mi, skip] or [faust, ADK, scola]?
Question to mail-mi and skip:
Do you think our lynch pool for today should be [mail-mi, skip] or [faust, ADK, scola]?
What did you do with your baseball cap?
KWhat did you do with your baseball cap?
I'm holding onto it. I'm not sure what to do with it since no one has claimed a use for it and scum hasn't tried to steal it from me.
And the thought of confirming you actually have a baseball cap by giving it to somebody honestly hasn't crossed your mind?
Also, everyone has posted and no one else has joined me on skip. This might be lylo (or Mylo) so that makes me feel just a little bit more confident in my vote there.Well if this were the kind of LyLo where scum can quickhammer with one vote then we'd already have lost, so that shouldn't be something that informs your decisions.
can everyone share their reads? feels very relevant to scumhunting.I plan on doing so later today.
One of mail-mi or skip is scum (and where we should probably lynch today if we're not lynching joseph) and the other's probably town. After that I think I'd vote faust over scola(How is lynching Joseph your first option?)
Scola, did you ever answer this? Why would this game be different than any other game?• Generally in games like these, do scum get to talk N0 or not just night N1? i.e. do we think they've had any chance to coordinate anything yet?
Why wouldn't they get to talk N0?
Scola, did you ever answer this? Why would this game be different than any other game?• Generally in games like these, do scum get to talk N0 or not just night N1? i.e. do we think they've had any chance to coordinate anything yet?
Why wouldn't they get to talk N0?
Scola, did you ever answer this? Why would this game be different than any other game?• Generally in games like these, do scum get to talk N0 or not just night N1? i.e. do we think they've had any chance to coordinate anything yet?
Why wouldn't they get to talk N0?
This is scola's second? game, and he was town in the first one, so it could just be newbie innocence.
This doesn't really answer the question. Why did you think this game might be different from the other games you played?Scola, did you ever answer this? Why would this game be different than any other game?• Generally in games like these, do scum get to talk N0 or not just night N1? i.e. do we think they've had any chance to coordinate anything yet?
Why wouldn't they get to talk N0?
This is scola's second? game, and he was town in the first one, so it could just be newbie innocence.
That is correct. (well, 2nd or 3rd game , I can't remember if this was before M126. Regardless, I was town in that one too.
Why do we think scum killed sudgy last night?Whom would you have killed?
This doesn't really answer the question. Why did you think this game might be different from the other games you played?Scola, did you ever answer this? Why would this game be different than any other game?• Generally in games like these, do scum get to talk N0 or not just night N1? i.e. do we think they've had any chance to coordinate anything yet?
Why wouldn't they get to talk N0?
This is scola's second? game, and he was town in the first one, so it could just be newbie innocence.
That is correct. (well, 2nd or 3rd game , I can't remember if this was before M126. Regardless, I was town in that one too.
Why do we think scum killed sudgy last night?Whom would you have killed?
So if you didn't think to wonder about N0 in the other games, why did you think to wonder about it in this one?This doesn't really answer the question. Why did you think this game might be different from the other games you played?Scola, did you ever answer this? Why would this game be different than any other game?• Generally in games like these, do scum get to talk N0 or not just night N1? i.e. do we think they've had any chance to coordinate anything yet?
Why wouldn't they get to talk N0?
This is scola's second? game, and he was town in the first one, so it could just be newbie innocence.
That is correct. (well, 2nd or 3rd game , I can't remember if this was before M126. Regardless, I was town in that one too.
The point is that I wasn't aware that they could talk in N0 in those other games either. i.e I never thought it might be different, I just didn't think to wonder about that in those other games. Well that's not exactly true: for Hunger games there was N0 talk. But it wasn't just for scum but also all the different districts. So that game definitely seemed different.
Probably because he was obv!town, and there was nobody else who was obv!town and also a good idea to kill.
Why do we think scum killed sudgy last night?
So if you didn't think to wonder about N0 in the other games, why did you think to wonder about it in this one?This doesn't really answer the question. Why did you think this game might be different from the other games you played?Scola, did you ever answer this? Why would this game be different than any other game?• Generally in games like these, do scum get to talk N0 or not just night N1? i.e. do we think they've had any chance to coordinate anything yet?
Why wouldn't they get to talk N0?
This is scola's second? game, and he was town in the first one, so it could just be newbie innocence.
That is correct. (well, 2nd or 3rd game , I can't remember if this was before M126. Regardless, I was town in that one too.
The point is that I wasn't aware that they could talk in N0 in those other games either. i.e I never thought it might be different, I just didn't think to wonder about that in those other games. Well that's not exactly true: for Hunger games there was N0 talk. But it wasn't just for scum but also all the different districts. So that game definitely seemed different.
Probably because he was obv!town, and there was nobody else who was obv!town and also a good idea to kill.
Why do we think scum killed sudgy last night?
Well, whom would you have killed?Probably because he was obv!town, and there was nobody else who was obv!town and also a good idea to kill.
Why do we think scum killed sudgy last night?
Who else is ob!town but not a good idea to kill?
Skip, why are you town and yams is scum?This question has multiple answers, and I will get into it, but it may take more energy than I currently have. I'd also like to put down other thoughts and reads on adk/you/faust(/eevee), but that will take even more effort. Hopefully tomorrow.
Skip, why are you town and yams is scum?I will say one thing, though. If I'm scum, then scum started with both the codebook and notebook, which would make vey little sense to begin with. Then, on top of that, instead of keeping this to themselves, and waiting to see what the codebook/notebook did, scum publicly outed that info to the whole thread in an extremely strange and impromptu moment during twilight of D1. So there's no way I'm scum.
@faust, best guess, who are the bad guys?
Oh, haha.Skip, why are you town and yams is scum?I will say one thing, though. If I'm scum, then scum started with both the codebook and notebook, which would make vey little sense to begin with. Then, on top of that, instead of keeping this to themselves, and waiting to see what the codebook/notebook did, scum publicly outed that info to the whole thread in an extremely strange and impromptu moment during twilight of D1. So there's no way I'm scum.
Eevee is a very central character in a lot of the actions and claims that have happened over the course of the game. It's been hard for me to come up with a scenario where he's scum, and complicated for me to consider the implications of all the claims and stuff. Could you walk me through your process?@faust, best guess, who are the bad guys?
As of now, having reread only D1, I'm thinking Eevee>scola>ADK.
I've also realized something I really should have thought of before though - skip is definitely town. I mean the whole affair with him giving the codebook to joth doesn't make sense if they are both scum.
So Vote: mail-mi is the best thing for today I think.
Yeah this was mostly coming from my D1 reread, I didn't consider the rope issue. Makes Eevee more likely town. There could be a Traitor to make scum-scum trading more relevant, but if there is then I think we're dealing with 4 scum and that will be bad.Eevee is a very central character in a lot of the actions and claims that have happened over the course of the game. It's been hard for me to come up with a scenario where he's scum, and complicated for me to consider the implications of all the claims and stuff. Could you walk me through your process?@faust, best guess, who are the bad guys?
As of now, having reread only D1, I'm thinking Eevee>scola>ADK.
I've also realized something I really should have thought of before though - skip is definitely town. I mean the whole affair with him giving the codebook to joth doesn't make sense if they are both scum.
So Vote: mail-mi is the best thing for today I think.
Like for example, did he really start out with the rope? What's the point of my power if he did?
@faust, also once you believe eevee is scum, it's but a small step to say the Scumteam is joth/eevee/Joseph and they're making up the whole rope thing to line up two mislynches for the win.Meh, that is not the sort of scumteam that I would expect such crazy schemes from.
If eevee is scum, he made up the getting roped N3. If he made up the rope thing N3, then Joseph made it up N4. I don't see another way.@faust, also once you believe eevee is scum, it's but a small step to say the Scumteam is joth/eevee/Joseph and they're making up the whole rope thing to line up two mislynches for the win.Meh, that is not the sort of scumteam that I would expect such crazy schemes from.
I don't think that is a necessary implication. Scum could have the Rope, have chosen to not use it N3 so that Eevee could fake, and have chosen to use it N4.If eevee is scum, he made up the getting roped N3. If he made up the rope thing N3, then Joseph made it up N4. I don't see another way.@faust, also once you believe eevee is scum, it's but a small step to say the Scumteam is joth/eevee/Joseph and they're making up the whole rope thing to line up two mislynches for the win.Meh, that is not the sort of scumteam that I would expect such crazy schemes from.
Also of note, glooble has confirmed to me that the rope is loud.
This is compelling to me. I also think skip has been playing townier than mailmi in the recent days.Skip, why are you town and yams is scum?I will say one thing, though. If I'm scum, then scum started with both the codebook and notebook, which would make vey little sense to begin with. Then, on top of that, instead of keeping this to themselves, and waiting to see what the codebook/notebook did, scum publicly outed that info to the whole thread in an extremely strange and impromptu moment during twilight of D1. So there's no way I'm scum.
What's the narrative for me being scum?@faust, best guess, who are the bad guys?
As of now, having reread only D1, I'm thinking Eevee>scola>ADK.
I've also realized something I really should have thought of before though - skip is definitely town. I mean the whole affair with him giving the codebook to joth doesn't make sense if they are both scum.
So Vote: mail-mi is the best thing for today I think.
So you're pretty sure there's not a third rope man?This question is really for all of you, actually.
@Joseph, you may as well tell us what the thing was that you stole from didds.It was a bullet
I hadn't remembered that other people had voted when I made this post, so it is no longer something that informs my decisions.Also, everyone has posted and no one else has joined me on skip. This might be lylo (or Mylo) so that makes me feel just a little bit more confident in my vote there.Well if this were the kind of LyLo where scum can quickhammer with one vote then we'd already have lost, so that shouldn't be something that informs your decisions.
can everyone share their reads? feels very relevant to scumhunting.
Why do we think scum killed sudgy last night?
Skip, why are you town and yams is scum?I will say one thing, though. If I'm scum, then scum started with both the codebook and notebook, which would make vey little sense to begin with. Then, on top of that, instead of keeping this to themselves, and waiting to see what the codebook/notebook did, scum publicly outed that info to the whole thread in an extremely strange and impromptu moment during twilight of D1. So there's no way I'm scum.
Well if there is a third Sailor, then it would have to be scola, correct? We can exclude all other options.So you're pretty sure there's not a third rope man?This question is really for all of you, actually.
The question being, how likely is it that scum!mail-mi outed himself by using the rope on eevee without even knowing if eevee had a power worth blocking? And are there any plausible alternatives to that narrative? I'm basically stumped.
yesSkip, why are you town and yams is scum?I will say one thing, though. If I'm scum, then scum started with both the codebook and notebook, which would make vey little sense to begin with. Then, on top of that, instead of keeping this to themselves, and waiting to see what the codebook/notebook did, scum publicly outed that info to the whole thread in an extremely strange and impromptu moment during twilight of D1. So there's no way I'm scum.
That...is a good point. Gah. unvote.
I mean, there has to be a scum sailor, because someone tied up Eevee and Joseph. I know I'm town, and the codebook/notebook issue doesn't make much sense if skip is scum, so I guess there's a third Sailor?
@Eevee and Joseph, just want to confirm, the flavor said you were "Tied up with a rope" or something similar when you were blocked, right?
Will probably have some short posts today during work hours with some questions, some answers to asked questions.thats all
Hoping still for a longe reread tonight.
My current order is faust > ADK > eevee. Though some aspects change each time I think about it.
@eevee can you give some more description of how your role is described? does it just say when the treasure hunter dies? Is there more to it than that?
OuiSkip, why are you town and yams is scum?I will say one thing, though. If I'm scum, then scum started with both the codebook and notebook, which would make vey little sense to begin with. Then, on top of that, instead of keeping this to themselves, and waiting to see what the codebook/notebook did, scum publicly outed that info to the whole thread in an extremely strange and impromptu moment during twilight of D1. So there's no way I'm scum.
That...is a good point. Gah. unvote.
I mean, there has to be a scum sailor, because someone tied up Eevee and Joseph. I know I'm town, and the codebook/notebook issue doesn't make much sense if skip is scum, so I guess there's a third Sailor?
@Eevee and Joseph, just want to confirm, the flavor said you were "Tied up with a rope" or something similar when you were blocked, right?
Will probably have some short posts today during work hours with some questions, some answers to asked questions.thats all
Hoping still for a longe reread tonight.
My current order is faust > ADK > eevee. Though some aspects change each time I think about it.
@eevee can you give some more description of how your role is described? does it just say when the treasure hunter dies? Is there more to it than that?
I'm an apprentice treasure hunter. Seems it's a back up role for Joseph, I'm town until he dies and then inherit whatever powers and factions he currently is/has. I prefer playing for town.
there’s been two of many other roles, fos at anyone speculating about a third sailorYou're not really directly dealing with my problem here. Should i repeat again?
there’s been two of many other roles, fos at anyone speculating about a third sailorTwo of what? Technically, there are three Pawnbrokers, since Joseph apparently has that power as well.
there’s been two of many other roles, fos at anyone speculating about a third sailorTwo of what? Technically, there are three Pawnbrokers, since Joseph apparently has that power as well.
mix got pawnbroked N1.there’s been two of many other roles, fos at anyone speculating about a third sailorTwo of what? Technically, there are three Pawnbrokers, since Joseph apparently has that power as well.
3 claimed Pawnbrokers. Do we have any corroborating evidence that faust is a pawnbroker?
mix got pawnbroked N1.there’s been two of many other roles, fos at anyone speculating about a third sailorTwo of what? Technically, there are three Pawnbrokers, since Joseph apparently has that power as well.
3 claimed Pawnbrokers. Do we have any corroborating evidence that faust is a pawnbroker?
Not like D1 would contain any information on what happened N1...mix got pawnbroked N1.there’s been two of many other roles, fos at anyone speculating about a third sailorTwo of what? Technically, there are three Pawnbrokers, since Joseph apparently has that power as well.
3 claimed Pawnbrokers. Do we have any corroborating evidence that faust is a pawnbroker?
Thanks. Like I've said D1 is one I want to reread.
Not like D1 would contain any information on what happened N1...mix got pawnbroked N1.there’s been two of many other roles, fos at anyone speculating about a third sailorTwo of what? Technically, there are three Pawnbrokers, since Joseph apparently has that power as well.
3 claimed Pawnbrokers. Do we have any corroborating evidence that faust is a pawnbroker?
Thanks. Like I've said D1 is one I want to reread.
Why do we think scum killed sudgy last night?In my experience, people generally don't answer questions unless they're explicitly called out by name and requested to answer. So at this point, I've gotta assume you've generated all the response that you're ever going to.
Will probably have some short posts today during work hours with some questions, some answers to asked questions.I'm a town aligned apprentice treasure hunter, however if the treasure hunter dies, I will inherit their powers and win condition (unless it would make it impossible for me to win). I was tols nothing more, and all the info I've received about treasure hunters have come from joseph in this thread and joths flip.
Hoping still for a longe reread tonight.
My current order is faust > ADK > eevee. Though some aspects change each time I think about it.
@eevee can you give some more description of how your role is described? does it just say when the treasure hunter dies? Is there more to it than that?
I also beliebe he just came off looking towny yesterday, spearheading us to joth lynch and seemingly trying to solve the game for town.Why do we think scum killed sudgy last night?In my experience, people generally don't answer questions unless they're explicitly called out by name and requested to answer. So at this point, I've gotta assume you've generated all the response that you're ever going to.
Now's the time to expand on whatever your thought was.
I will inherit their powers and win condition (unless it would make it impossible for me to win). I was tols nothing more, and all the info I've received about treasure hunters have come from joseph in this thread and joths flip.
I'm surprised at how little we are talking about mail-mi/skip. Unless someone has some information they haven't divulged yet - since we know one of them has to be scum, surely figuring out which one should be our top priority? I don't think there's a third sailor somewhere, there aren't that many people left.Uh if we don't think about a third Sailor then it shouldn't even be a question that we lynch mail-mi. The only reason to stop and think is a third Sailor.
I'm a town aligned apprentice treasure hunter, however if the treasure hunter dies, I will inherit their powers and win condition (unless it would make it impossible for me to win). I was tols nothing more, and all the info I've received about treasure hunters have come from joseph in this thread and joths flip.
Hey I also know the length of the rope, if that would that clear that I started with it for the people doubting that.
I believe I would be told if my alignment changed.
No. I understand my role as me being a backup to Joseph specifically. Didn't know it was Joseph before he claimed, obviously.
I agree we just still probably decide between mail-mi and skip*.
vote: faust
OK, also faust has me high on his list, but I mean why would I hammer yesterday, when I did? Why not at least wait to see if something would change and, if looking for town cred, hammer later?If this is all the defense you can muster, then it doesn't look great for you.
Partially because my thoughts evolved while I was typing.
It started with the 1v1 being maybe decent as 50-50 and something everyone was considering. While I've been on the fause train, all day, I wasn't sure if others were. But as i wrote more, I became more convinced of faust and that others would see the logic in my arguments.
So basically, I'd like us to get the scum jailkeeper out of the way, but we only have 50/50. Meanwhile, I'd say faust, in my book is more like 90%, so why not get him out of the way today, while we try to learn more about the 1v1 (which I did say in that post).
It is true I've pushed the 1v1 every day. And I stand by that. There is a difference though. Early on, I think it's safe to assume town outnumbered scum significantly, so the 1v1 made complete sense. We trade one scum for one town. (and if it were wrong, we at least learn a lot about the setup). Now however, late in the game, the 1v1 at 50-50 is scum friendly. We still need to do it sooner or later, but if we can learn anything more before it, I'm happy to delay it one day.
And on the earlier days, you'll notice I stayed on the 1v1 until it was clear it was going nowhere. I disagree with "not very hard".
And you list skip again, though he had the codebook?
OK, also faust has me high on his list, but I mean why would I hammer yesterday, when I did? Why not at least wait to see if something would change and, if looking for town cred, hammer later?If this is all the defense you can muster, then it doesn't look great for you.
scola, do you seriously think mail-mi/skip is 50/50, i.e. they have the same chance to be scum?
And you made no effort to share those items with anyone - to spread information. And joth worked to get you them.Yeah I was trying to not give people a non-town win condition. That is in town's interest last time I checked.
huh, I was typing something else, actually hoping to hold off on joth vote (waiting for eevee clarification).
But that's sounds like a confession, eh? Luckily, I'm awake and joseph's not.
Vote: joth
Also, note that this makes scola and me basically confirmed town, because we could have unvoted and hoped Joseph would join us as scum if what Joth says is true.
I do. It appears that joth was indeed telling the truth.Oh fudge. Standby.Does this mean faust does indeed have the notebook?
It's a reflection of the other win condition. I would also flip with both town and Treasure Hunter.Seems Joseph is a cult of some sort?I have doubts. Let's wait for faust.
Whom did you investigate last night?
Also, Treasure Hunters are not Survivors. They end the game and win alone when they get all the pieces.
I'm assuming faust is scum pawnbroker, mail-mi/skip are the town/scum sailors, and ADK is the scum graverobber.
I'm sold. Skip/Faust/adk. I've been scumreading ADK since day2.
Well he was. I could give you the things to confirm, but you'd have to give one away before that, so I think they need to go to someone else.I do. It appears that joth was indeed telling the truth.Oh fudge. Standby.Does this mean faust does indeed have the notebook?
There's this. ^^^ for faust.
Also, in case we were doubting joseph, joth is seemingly confirming him as not scum, too.
Also what do you think about lynching faust?Don't think this is aimed at me, but I'm pro faust lynch
I'm assuming faust is scum pawnbroker, mail-mi/skip are the town/scum sailors, and ADK is the scum graverobber.
I'm sold. Skip/Faust/adk. I've been scumreading ADK since day2.
What happened to this?
I'm surprised at how little we are talking about mail-mi/skip. Unless someone has some information they haven't divulged yet - since we know one of them has to be scum, surely figuring out which one should be our top priority? I don't think there's a third sailor somewhere, there aren't that many people left.@eevee, why would scum!mail-mi out himself by using the rope? It doesn't seem worth it to me. I'm not sure why you don't consider this an issue
@scola, how many baddies are alive, do you think?
@adk, are you still feeling disheartened about this game? We haven't heard much from you today. I don't really get what's disheartening honestly.
I'll admit that at the start of day 4, we were in pretty bad shape. I definitely felt discouraged, like the game was already lost and I didn't really know what to do. But then eevee came in with this awesome claim, which went like, a crazy long way towards solving the game, and I feel like we're totally in it at this point. I mean, maybe the rest of you disagree, but this for me is like the perfect situation for a mafia game. Day 5, tons of teeny tiny pieces of information, trying to piece everything together to decide who most likely are the bad guys, but it's really hard cuz there's so much you have to keep in your head at once. This is like, the reason to sign up for a mafia game, the most fun situation a mafia game can generate.
So I'm a little befuddled by your lack of engagement right now. Talk to us.
Maybe scum is worried about my investigative powers? I admit it's odd, but I think there being a third sailor is also unlikely.how did scum know about your investigation powers?
100% agree that this is the best part of the game!
So if there's only two living scum, what exactly did you do yesterday that was so towny?@scola, how many baddies are alive, do you think?
I had thought 3. But I now think joth was just bluffing to make us think there were that many. (there's also a small part of me that wonders if that was trying to make us not suspect Joseph, but I'm not really sure I see a plausible way he's scum and not 3rd party like he says)
So then maybe just 2? faust and the scum!sailor?
So what do people think about who was able to steal? i.e. I don't think joth could N1, since he flipped goon.
A newbie question: what does Loud mean? I read up and thought it said you knew who performed an action on you. But if that were it, then Joseph or eevee would know who tied them up. So it can't be that. Does it just mean that they know they got tied up.
So if there's only two living scum, what exactly did you do yesterday that was so towny?@scola, how many baddies are alive, do you think?
I had thought 3. But I now think joth was just bluffing to make us think there were that many. (there's also a small part of me that wonders if that was trying to make us not suspect Joseph, but I'm not really sure I see a plausible way he's scum and not 3rd party like he says)
So then maybe just 2? faust and the scum!sailor?
So what do people think about who was able to steal? i.e. I don't think joth could N1, since he flipped goon.
A newbie question: what does Loud mean? I read up and thought it said you knew who performed an action on you. But if that were it, then Joseph or eevee would know who tied them up. So it can't be that. Does it just mean that they know they got tied up.
As to the loud business, I'm probably just using it wrong. I meant, like you say, they know they got tied up with a rope. I'm not sure if there's another term for it that's more precise, though.
Ah, I didn't remember I only claimed today. They wouldn't know, my bad.Maybe scum is worried about my investigative powers? I admit it's odd, but I think there being a third sailor is also unlikely.how did scum know about your investigation powers?
100% agree that this is the best part of the game!
Ah, I didn't remember I only claimed today. They wouldn't know, my bad.Maybe scum is worried about my investigative powers? I admit it's odd, but I think there being a third sailor is also unlikely.how did scum know about your investigation powers?
100% agree that this is the best part of the game!
Yeah, I was tied up night 2, and claimed day 4.umm
I'm an apprentice treasure hunter. Seems it's a back up role for Joseph, I'm town until he dies and then inherit whatever powers and factions he currently is/has. I prefer playing for town.
For my night action, I can investigate who has pieces of the copper owl.
N1 investigated Galzria, didn't have any (and tried to give the rope I started with to mail-mi but was intercepted and the rope was stolen)
N2 investigated Joth, found out he had the torso and know has the wings
N3 investigated Joseph, but couldn't complete the action because I was tied up with the rope
I hadn't made up my mind at that point.Well he was. I could give you the things to confirm, but you'd have to give one away before that, so I think they need to go to someone else.I do. It appears that joth was indeed telling the truth.Oh fudge. Standby.Does this mean faust does indeed have the notebook?
There's this. ^^^ for faust.
Also, in case we were doubting joseph, joth is seemingly confirming him as not scum, too.
Or you could have said here that you thought it was pro town to not give away. Something doesn't add up.
Can you explain how you think Eevee is lying?I'm an apprentice treasure hunter. Seems it's a back up role for Joseph, I'm town until he dies and then inherit whatever powers and factions he currently is/has. I prefer playing for town.
For my night action, I can investigate who has pieces of the copper owl.
N1 investigated Galzria, didn't have any (and tried to give the rope I started with to mail-mi but was intercepted and the rope was stolen)
N2 investigated Joth, found out he had the torso and know has the wings
N3 investigated Joseph, but couldn't complete the action because I was tied up with the rope
Uh, Eevee, you were tied up night three.
Is someone messing up their fakeclaim?
So what do people think about who was able to steal? i.e. I don't think joth could N1, since he flipped goon.The stealing is maybe the single thing in this game that I've contemplated the most. I think what makes it so confusing for me is that there is no clear place for my train of thought to begin. But I can try to organize my thoughts on this, as it's something I've wanted to do since the beginning of the day. Let's start with the facts.
With regards to 1, it's a strong point; the only thing I will say is that with Traitor mechanics, it would be possible for scum to both start with the rope and need to rope.Yes, it's too disturbing to contemplate traitor or 3rd party with Joseph, so I haven't.
2 again a good point, it is not impossible that having the Rope and being a Sailor lets you know about it being loud. Also, stealing is loud, maybe scum had already learned to expect actions to be loud.
3 is good. It could still be a Traitor thing, but even then traitor!Eevee still probably take some time for consideration.
So overall, I agree. I have been worrying a little because a lot of things around Eevee's claim seemed a bit off, but I agree that all things point to non-mafia. Of course it might still be that he has been aligned with Joseph from the start, but there's nothing to be done about that now.
Made some corrections in bold. Left the emoji as is. Added a factSo what do people think about who was able to steal? i.e. I don't think joth could N1, since he flipped goon.The stealing is maybe the single thing in this game that I've contemplated the most. I think what makes it so confusing for me is that there is no clear place for my train of thought to begin. But I can try to organize my thoughts on this, as it's something I've wanted to do since the beginning of the day. Let's start with the facts.
1)Didds claims she was stolen from on N1. (Bullet)
2)Joth claims he was stolen from on N2. (Owl torso)
3)adk claims he was stolen from on N3, but he had nothing that could be stolen.
4)Joseph claims responsibility for points 1-3.
(These first four points are pretty simple and more or less take care of themselves without further explanation. Now we get to the good stuff.)
5)eevee claims he was stolen from on N1. (Rope)
6)faust claims he was stolen from on N2. (Owl wings)
7)Joseph claims he was stolen from on N3. (Owl torso I think but can't find it now.)
8)Joth is found (by eevee) to have the owl wings N2.
9)Joth flips goon treasure hunter.
10)Joth only became treasure hunter after N1.
11)faust claims recruited treasure hunters do not recieve stealing abilities.
12)eevee claims being roped N3, nobody claims being roped N2. (This is relevant indirectly.)
13)joth gives mix the notebook N2.
Did I miss any facts?
Now that that's done, we can start thinking up what ways we have of explaining everything.
(Hopefully) to be continued.
Made some corrections in bold. Left the emoji as is. Added a factSo what do people think about who was able to steal? i.e. I don't think joth could N1, since he flipped goon.The stealing is maybe the single thing in this game that I've contemplated the most. I think what makes it so confusing for me is that there is no clear place for my train of thought to begin. But I can try to organize my thoughts on this, as it's something I've wanted to do since the beginning of the day. Let's start with the facts.
1)Didds claims she was stolen from on N1. (Bullet)
2)Joth claims he was stolen from on N2. (Owl torso)
3)adk claims he was stolen from on N3, but he had nothing that could be stolen.
4)Joseph claims responsibility for points 1-3.
(These first four points are pretty simple and more or less take care of themselves without further explanation. Now we get to the good stuff.)
5)eevee claims he was stolen from on N1. (Rope)
6)faust claims he was stolen from on N2. (Owl wings)
7)Joseph claims he was stolen from on N3. (Owl torso I think but can't find it now.)
8)Joth is found (by eevee) to have the owl wings N2.
9)Joth flips goon treasure hunter.
10)Joth only became treasure hunter after N1.
11)faust claims recruited treasure hunters do not recieve stealing abilities.
12)eevee claims being roped N3, nobody claims being roped N2. (This is relevant indirectly.)
13)joth gives mix the notebook N2.
Did I miss any facts?
Now that that's done, we can start thinking up what ways we have of explaining everything.
(Hopefully) to be continued.
So in analyzing this stuff, I think the first things to consider are the two claims by faust (6 and 11). If faust is town, then he's telling the truth about those things. That would mean that joth stole from him N2, and despite being a treasure hunter, joth had no special stealing privileges. It seems to me that the only explanation (tell me if you have another) is some sort of factional stealing ability, similar to the factional nk. That fits pretty well, and also answers the question of, how could thief!joth have stolen the rope N1 and given it to the scum!sailor N2, if he was busy giving the notebook to mix on N2? The answer, of course, is somebody other than joth used the factional steal N1. So all that works out, I think. The next thing to consider would be, did joth lie to his mates about the owl? I was bothered earlier by the fact that joth chose to steal from faust N2 when he already knew that Joseph had an owl piece. It could be that scum has some type of itemcop or owlcop and knew faust had an owl piece. If scum were owl hunting, joth either lied, or there's some other use that mafia had for the owl. But the explanation might be simpler. Maybe Joth wasn't going for owl pieces at all. He couldn't justify owl hunting to his scum buddies. Faust was confirmed in thread to have an unidentified item of some sort, so the mafia targeted him, without specifically aiming for the owl. All of this looks pretty internally consistent, and a viable narrative to explain everything. (And the only viable narrative that has a town!faust.)
Next, we'll explore a scum!faust world.
Questions? Comments? Points you disagree with?
Let me know.
(Hopefully) to be continued.
@eevee (and adk and faust), can you read D4 and tell me what you think of Scola? I get a bunch of signals both ways, and want your opinion(s).will do later tonight!
aight well I've got no access starting ~8 pm forum time and going till deadline. So the sooner the better. No pressure.@eevee (and adk and faust), can you read D4 and tell me what you think of Scola? I get a bunch of signals both ways, and want your opinion(s).will do later tonight!
really hard for me too se anyone but mailmi as the lynch here. of couese you likely wont be here to help us figure it out tomorrow if that's correct (and town is pretty much done if it isnt)aight well I've got no access starting ~8 pm forum time and going till deadline. So the sooner the better. No pressure.@eevee (and adk and faust), can you read D4 and tell me what you think of Scola? I get a bunch of signals both ways, and want your opinion(s).will do later tonight!
P.S.Or it could be that each scum can do only one thing. So last night with 2 scum alive, one had to kill and one had to rope. Nobody left to perform the steal.
One problem with the town!faust narrative is that there were no thefts reported last night. If the steal power is factional, there is no reason for it to have stopped with joth's death.
It could be that scum has a choice to steal or graverob (much like Joseph) and last night chose to graverob. I'll have to think about how much I like that explanation.
No, I'm more or less convinced mail-mi should be today's lynch as well. Your investigation tonight will help us figure out who should be the lynch tomorrow. I'm just afraid I'll be dead tomorrow, so I'm trying to get all my thoughts in now. And other people's opinions might help me figure out my own.really hard for me too se anyone but mailmi as the lynch here. of couese you likely wont be here to help us figure it out tomorrow if that's correct (and town is pretty much done if it isnt)aight well I've got no access starting ~8 pm forum time and going till deadline. So the sooner the better. No pressure.@eevee (and adk and faust), can you read D4 and tell me what you think of Scola? I get a bunch of signals both ways, and want your opinion(s).will do later tonight!
I'll likely vote joth, but want to reread first. If joth is scum, does that make faust suspicious too? joth gave him codebook and notebook (via Mix) and then faust says what joth says is true.scola's first pot after my claim, very scummy, especially if skip is town and mailmi scum.
I'm thinking scum could be joth, faust, and skip.
I prefer skip to mail-mil because mail-mi claimed a sailor role with details first, then skip said "me too". If mail-mi were lying what are the chances he guessed exactly skip's role. Though I guess the role could be the same, just different factions.
OK, so I'll need to think which of those two.
Also, note that this makes scola and me basically confirmed town, because we could have unvoted and hoped Joseph would join us as scum if what Joth says is true.Got to disagree with sudgy here, seems awfully risky for scum who is still in a great spot even with joth gone to out themselves completely hoping a 3rd party faction will help them. But it's a point toward scola's towniness that he votes for joth here.
I think mail-mi and faust, but less sure about those. Faust still hasn't explained why he posted items he wanted D1, and since skip/mail-mi are now basically confirmed to be town vs scum, it makes faust vs LaLight more likely to be town vs scum as well.some more parting thoughts from sudgy, may he rest in peace.
I think mail-mi and faust, but less sure about those. Faust still hasn't explained why he posted items he wanted D1, and since skip/mail-mi are now basically confirmed to be town vs scum, it makes faust vs LaLight more likely to be town vs scum as well.
why mail-mi over skip? I've been thinking it's been skip, but not nearly as sure anymore.
I do think the extra vote after I hammered is suspiciously trying to get town cred.
mailmi townreading scolaI'm assuming faust is scum pawnbroker, mail-mi/skip are the town/scum sailors, and ADK is the scum graverobber.
I'm sold. Skip/Faust/adk. I've been scumreading ADK since day2.
Honestly what's bugging me is, if mail-mi was scum with the rope, why would he blow his cover and block eevee? The risk/reward just doesn't add up. People were more or less willing to swallow that him and me were t and t, as evidenced by the fact that we're both still alive. Using the rope to block eevee would confirm that one of us is scum. And who knows if eevee is even doing anything worth blocking? I feel like I'm missing something.maybe scum has some owl pieces they've been lying about and were worried I'd cop them? Something's up with the owl pieces, as scum decided to switch to Joseph last night. There's so much we are in the dark about of the mechanics compared to joseph and mafia.
One of mail-mi or skip is scum (and where we should probably lynch today if we're not lynching joseph) and the other's probably town. After that I think I'd vote faust over scolaADK has been notably non-committal about mailmi vs skip. Otherwise I think his play fits for apathetic town or lurky scum that doesn't want to rock the boat and ruin a good thing.
faust, has your stance changed from this?@faust, best guess, who are the bad guys?
As of now, having reread only D1, I'm thinking Eevee>scola>ADK.
I've also realized something I really should have thought of before though - skip is definitely town. I mean the whole affair with him giving the codebook to joth doesn't make sense if they are both scum.
So Vote: mail-mi is the best thing for today I think.
I made some inquiries about this, haven't hears back.I will inherit their powers and win condition (unless it would make it impossible for me to win). I was tols nothing more, and all the info I've received about treasure hunters have come from joseph in this thread and joths flip.
Wait uh... this is pretty relevant. Can you find out any more about which circumstances would make it impossible for you to win? Like, if Joseph dies with a piece of the bird on them, and there are no more Graverobber, would you stay town? And what if there are only scum Graverobbers?
I know that you probably cannot ask that specifically, but maybe you can try some more general questions.
if mailmi is scum, this is very suspicious of scola - the tide is turning towards a mailmi lynch, scola tries to frame it as a 50-50 (while us pushing it obviously think it's a better chance based on their play and our reads) and redirecting us towards faust
What can I do to convince people to not lynch me? I mean, if joth was telling the truth, y'all lynch me and town loses.You can present a cohesive narrative for a third Sailor, and tell us who that is.
I have some mild worries that scolapasta is a third Sailor hiding in the dark. But then again, mail-mi is pretty scummy, maybe I'm just paranoid.faust, has your stance changed from this?@faust, best guess, who are the bad guys?
As of now, having reread only D1, I'm thinking Eevee>scola>ADK.
I've also realized something I really should have thought of before though - skip is definitely town. I mean the whole affair with him giving the codebook to joth doesn't make sense if they are both scum.
So Vote: mail-mi is the best thing for today I think.
my takeaway from the reread is that faust is townier and scola scummier, adk more or less the same. i'm basically operating from the pov of mailmi being scum and skip town, i'll of course update if it doesn't turn out thay way but it feels we are likely lost in that case anyway so it's more convenient this way.
What can I do to convince people to not lynch me? I mean, if joth was telling the truth, y'all lynch me and town loses.You can present a cohesive narrative for a third Sailor, and tell us who that is.
Alright let's keep analyzing the stealing. (I'm becoming increasingly suspicious that nobody else is interested in this, but I think it's still worthwhile for my own benefit.)Made some corrections in bold. Left the emoji as is. Added a factSo what do people think about who was able to steal? i.e. I don't think joth could N1, since he flipped goon.The stealing is maybe the single thing in this game that I've contemplated the most. I think what makes it so confusing for me is that there is no clear place for my train of thought to begin. But I can try to organize my thoughts on this, as it's something I've wanted to do since the beginning of the day. Let's start with the facts.
1)Didds claims she was stolen from on N1. (Bullet)
2)Joth claims he was stolen from on N2. (Owl torso)
3)adk claims he was stolen from on N3, but he had nothing that could be stolen.
4)Joseph claims responsibility for points 1-3.
(These first four points are pretty simple and more or less take care of themselves without further explanation. Now we get to the good stuff.)
5)eevee claims he was stolen from on N1. (Rope)
6)faust claims he was stolen from on N2. (Owl wings)
7)Joseph claims he was stolen from on N3. (Owl torso I think but can't find it now.)
8)Joth is found (by eevee) to have the owl wings N2.
9)Joth flips goon treasure hunter.
10)Joth only became treasure hunter after N1.
11)faust claims recruited treasure hunters do not recieve stealing abilities.
12)eevee claims being roped N3, nobody claims being roped N2. (This is relevant indirectly.)
13)joth gives mix the notebook N2.
Did I miss any facts?
Now that that's done, we can start thinking up what ways we have of explaining everything.
(Hopefully) to be continued.
So in analyzing this stuff, I think the first things to consider are the two claims by faust (6 and 11). If faust is town, then he's telling the truth about those things. That would mean that joth stole from him N2, and despite being a treasure hunter, joth had no special stealing privileges. It seems to me that the only explanation (tell me if you have another) is some sort of factional stealing ability, similar to the factional nk. That fits pretty well, and also answers the question of, how could thief!joth have stolen the rope N1 and given it to the scum!sailor N2, if he was busy giving the notebook to mix on N2? The answer, of course, is somebody other than joth used the factional steal N1. So all that works out, I think. The next thing to consider would be, did joth lie to his mates about the owl? I was bothered earlier by the fact that joth chose to steal from faust N2 when he already knew that Joseph had an owl piece. It could be that scum has some type of itemcop or owlcop and knew faust had an owl piece. If scum were owl hunting, joth either lied, or there's some other use that mafia had for the owl. But the explanation might be simpler. Maybe Joth wasn't going for owl pieces at all. He couldn't justify owl hunting to his scum buddies. Faust was confirmed in thread to have an unidentified item of some sort, so the mafia targeted him, without specifically aiming for the owl. All of this looks pretty internally consistent, and a viable narrative to explain everything. (And the only viable narrative that has a town!faust.)
Next, we'll explore a scum!faust world.
Questions? Comments? Points you disagree with?
Let me know.
(Hopefully) to be continued.
This is Joseph on D2 more or less openly claiming he has a statue piece. Easy target for scum if they want it.Okay without saying too much, yes you're correct, it was partially helpful (as I'm looking for something with multiple pieces)What makes you think that it would be useful to me?Joseph, did you receive part of a useful item last night?I received an item yes
I don't want to say too much yet, but given what you said you wanted, I was thinking what I had was a part of it. I was going to say that if it was useful, anybody else who has a similar part should probably give it to you. But if it's not, then it doesn't matter.
You keep saying things that imply that scum knew you were a cop when they blocked you. I honestly don't know what to make of this. It's just a strange mistake to continually make and I don't know why you're doing it and it's making me nervous. Stop making me nervous. Thx.Honestly what's bugging me is, if mail-mi was scum with the rope, why would he blow his cover and block eevee? The risk/reward just doesn't add up. People were more or less willing to swallow that him and me were t and t, as evidenced by the fact that we're both still alive. Using the rope to block eevee would confirm that one of us is scum. And who knows if eevee is even doing anything worth blocking? I feel like I'm missing something.maybe scum has some owl pieces they've been lying about and were worried I'd cop them? Something's up with the owl pieces, as scum decided to switch to Joseph last night. There's so much we are in the dark about of the mechanics compared to joseph and mafia.
vote: LaLightThis post, which comes immediately after faust's (look it up) vote on LaLight, looks very unpartnery to me. Way to blatant a sheeping of faust if they're actually partners.
Mostly because (A) we need a wagon today and (B) I am ridiculously sure MiX is town and I like his reasoning, and faust is generally a strong player who I’m also townreading, though less strongly, so this seems like the right place to sheep. If I have time to do some rereading of LaLight of my own I’ll do that today.
I'm mostly done saying stuff, just a few small tidbits left.ebwop. Sometimes I don't know how this happens....vote: LaLightThis post, which comes immediately after faust's (look it up) vote on LaLight, looks very unpartnery to me. Way to blatant a sheeping of faust if they're actually partners.
Mostly because (A) we need a wagon today and (B) I am ridiculously sure MiX is town and I like his reasoning, and faust is generally a strong player who I’m also townreading, though less strongly, so this seems like the right place to sheep. If I have time to do some rereading of LaLight of my own I’ll do that today.
Partners, I think that you should do the plan tonight that I suggested doing last night.This post (unlike the one trying to convince Joseph to join the bad guys) does not really read like a bluff. It therefore gives a slight indication as to who the scumteam is. Would joth give this message in-thread if faust were on his team? I think he'd probably just trust faust to make the right decision concerning whatever this plan is that he's talking about. I know, wine and stuff, but whatever, it's worth pointing out.
@Scola, sorry if I missed this somewhere, what did you do with the magnifying glass?nvm, found it at beginning of D4. you gave it to sudgy.
So what do people think about who was able to steal? i.e. I don't think joth could N1, since he flipped goon.
Partners, I think that you should do the plan tonight that I suggested doing last night.This post (unlike the one trying to convince Joseph to join the bad guys) does not really read like a bluff. It therefore gives a slight indication as to who the scumteam is. Would joth give this message in-thread if faust were on his team? I think he'd probably just trust faust to make the right decision concerning whatever this plan is that he's talking about. I know, wine and stuff, but whatever, it's worth pointing out.
Alright let's keep analyzing the stealing. (I'm becoming increasingly suspicious that nobody else is interested in this, but I think it's still worthwhile for my own benefit.)Made some corrections in bold. Left the emoji as is. Added a factSo what do people think about who was able to steal? i.e. I don't think joth could N1, since he flipped goon.The stealing is maybe the single thing in this game that I've contemplated the most. I think what makes it so confusing for me is that there is no clear place for my train of thought to begin. But I can try to organize my thoughts on this, as it's something I've wanted to do since the beginning of the day. Let's start with the facts.
1)Didds claims she was stolen from on N1. (Bullet)
2)Joth claims he was stolen from on N2. (Owl torso)
3)adk claims he was stolen from on N3, but he had nothing that could be stolen.
4)Joseph claims responsibility for points 1-3.
(These first four points are pretty simple and more or less take care of themselves without further explanation. Now we get to the good stuff.)
5)eevee claims he was stolen from on N1. (Rope)
6)faust claims he was stolen from on N2. (Owl wings)
7)Joseph claims he was stolen from on N3. (Owl torso I think but can't find it now.)
8)Joth is found (by eevee) to have the owl wings N2.
9)Joth flips goon treasure hunter.
10)Joth only became treasure hunter after N1.
11)faust claims recruited treasure hunters do not recieve stealing abilities.
12)eevee claims being roped N3, nobody claims being roped N2. (This is relevant indirectly.)
13)joth gives mix the notebook N2.
Did I miss any facts?
Now that that's done, we can start thinking up what ways we have of explaining everything.
(Hopefully) to be continued.
So in analyzing this stuff, I think the first things to consider are the two claims by faust (6 and 11). If faust is town, then he's telling the truth about those things. That would mean that joth stole from him N2, and despite being a treasure hunter, joth had no special stealing privileges. It seems to me that the only explanation (tell me if you have another) is some sort of factional stealing ability, similar to the factional nk. That fits pretty well, and also answers the question of, how could thief!joth have stolen the rope N1 and given it to the scum!sailor N2, if he was busy giving the notebook to mix on N2? The answer, of course, is somebody other than joth used the factional steal N1. So all that works out, I think. The next thing to consider would be, did joth lie to his mates about the owl? I was bothered earlier by the fact that joth chose to steal from faust N2 when he already knew that Joseph had an owl piece. It could be that scum has some type of itemcop or owlcop and knew faust had an owl piece. If scum were owl hunting, joth either lied, or there's some other use that mafia had for the owl. But the explanation might be simpler. Maybe Joth wasn't going for owl pieces at all. He couldn't justify owl hunting to his scum buddies. Faust was confirmed in thread to have an unidentified item of some sort, so the mafia targeted him, without specifically aiming for the owl. All of this looks pretty internally consistent, and a viable narrative to explain everything. (And the only viable narrative that has a town!faust.)
Next, we'll explore a scum!faust world.
Questions? Comments? Points you disagree with?
Let me know.
(Hopefully) to be continued.
So, the other road to go down is that faust is scum. This would mean he's almost definitely lying about being robbed N2. Why/how would scum rob scum? So, he probably just gave the wings to joth, then. That's pretty weird because N1 faust offers to trade the wings to town!mix, and then N2 he decides to give it to his scumbuddy? Why not do that right away N1? I guess it's possible that joth only wanted the owl after he got the notebook N1, so on N1 faust and the scumteam had no use for the owl yet. Then starting N2 joth lies to scum about why he needs the owl, or there is some other use scum had for the owl. What's unclear though, is this: if scum didn't steal from faust, from whom did they steal, and especially, if they were going for the owl, why not steal from Joseph? They stole from Joseph N3 (at least if we take Joseph's word for it, which I do, mostly), why not steal from him N2?
@Joseph, are you like 1-shot theft proof, or something?
Long story short, I think there are more holes in the scum!faust narrative than in the town!faust one. But neither is impossible.
I think I'm done meditating on the thefts, so we can all breathe a sigh of relief.
I agree with eevee's analysis of scola's D4. I'd like to just add one thing.
Scola seems to believe he deserves similar levels of towncred as sudgy for his D4. Now, if there truly are 3 living scum, then yes, they both deserve tons of towncred for putting that lynch through before Joseph had a chance to shift alliances. But if there are only 2 living scum, then scum knows there are only 2 living scum. So, you get no cred for hammering caught scum, cuz he's getting hammered regardless. This is fairly obvious. Sudgy's towniness had nothing to do with the actual lynch and everything to do with his entire approach and attitude in his posts around the claim. He was genuinely excited that we caught scum and it showed through in his posts. Scola's posts are almost exactly the opposite. He's hedgy to the point that it looks like he's basically praying for joth to come in and make a reasonable defense of himself and avoid the lynch, and maybe even lynch eevee instead. So, his bid for towncred baffles me, as I think his play was fairly scummy.
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Lots to respond to, but I don't have that much time (partner's birthday tomrrow) so I'll see what I can get to here. (and will be on later, at least for some short times to post quick thoughts).Yes, you expressed interest in the stealing, and it was unfair of me to suggest that nobody was interested. What I meant, was nobody other than you was interested. If you look at my post, I actually start by quoting your post, because it was the catalyst to get me to start doing the work.
Yes, gave to sudgy, no one claiming they needed it, felt safe giving to someone I read as towny.
You mention the stealing."(I'm becoming increasingly suspicious that nobody else is interested in this, but I think it's still worthwhile for my own benefit.)"
I'm fairly certain I mentioned the stealing a while back, let me see if I can find it: Here it is:So what do people think about who was able to steal? i.e. I don't think joth could N1, since he flipped goon.
Because I 100% agree with you that there's some weirdness going on here. So thank you for your detailed post on what was claimed stolen and when.
I really don't see why scumapasta would push the 1v1 each day. (unless there's a 3rd sailior, but I've basically discounted that idea). I think that and D4 speak to my being town.
when I said skip vs mail-mi was 50-50, do note that meant a change in the direction of mail-mi. I had been leaning more towards skip until it was pointed out that that would mean scum would've started with both codebook and notebook. BTW, my still unanswered question to the mod (no worries, I know you're busy) was to ask if item distribution was random?
Assuming it's not, I'd be ok with a mail-mi lynch today. I do think the fact above and skip's desire to remind people of the stealing push me in that direction.
It is possible that faust is not scum. I do think it's unlikely.
Am I the only one who things joth giving the codebook / notebook to faust (via Mix) and then faust lying about it (saying on one day joth is telling the truth, and then doling out new info* the next day) quite suspicious? I don't see a valid reason not to expose that the day he got the items. (if true, it would be good info to know more about Joseph's true role, and it would show that Joth was lying, and add to his scuminess factor)
So while I do still more strongly about faust and prefer that, I am currently off the fence on skip / mail-mi. I would love to get an answer to my question on items before we vote, but if I don't I'll assume non random. And that points to mail-mi. I could go with that another day.
I very much doubt that it's confirmation bias because I noticed it during N4, when I still thought faust was very scummy. (I waited till now to mention it, but I noticed it a long time ago. I do that sometimes, I can't really say why.) I will admit that it's weak, just not conf!bias.Partners, I think that you should do the plan tonight that I suggested doing last night.This post (unlike the one trying to convince Joseph to join the bad guys) does not really read like a bluff. It therefore gives a slight indication as to who the scumteam is. Would joth give this message in-thread if faust were on his team? I think he'd probably just trust faust to make the right decision concerning whatever this plan is that he's talking about. I know, wine and stuff, but whatever, it's worth pointing out.
This definitely feels like confirmation bias.
Lots to respond to, but I don't have that much time (partner's birthday tomrrow) so I'll see what I can get to here. (and will be on later, at least for some short times to post quick thoughts).Yes, you expressed interest in the stealing, and it was unfair of me to suggest that nobody was interested. What I meant, was nobody other than you was interested. If you look at my post, I actually start by quoting your post, because it was the catalyst to get me to start doing the work.
Yes, gave to sudgy, no one claiming they needed it, felt safe giving to someone I read as towny.
You mention the stealing."(I'm becoming increasingly suspicious that nobody else is interested in this, but I think it's still worthwhile for my own benefit.)"
I'm fairly certain I mentioned the stealing a while back, let me see if I can find it: Here it is:So what do people think about who was able to steal? i.e. I don't think joth could N1, since he flipped goon.
Because I 100% agree with you that there's some weirdness going on here. So thank you for your detailed post on what was claimed stolen and when.
I really don't see why scumapasta would push the 1v1 each day. (unless there's a 3rd sailior, but I've basically discounted that idea). I think that and D4 speak to my being town.
when I said skip vs mail-mi was 50-50, do note that meant a change in the direction of mail-mi. I had been leaning more towards skip until it was pointed out that that would mean scum would've started with both codebook and notebook. BTW, my still unanswered question to the mod (no worries, I know you're busy) was to ask if item distribution was random?
Assuming it's not, I'd be ok with a mail-mi lynch today. I do think the fact above and skip's desire to remind people of the stealing push me in that direction.
It is possible that faust is not scum. I do think it's unlikely.
Am I the only one who things joth giving the codebook / notebook to faust (via Mix) and then faust lying about it (saying on one day joth is telling the truth, and then doling out new info* the next day) quite suspicious? I don't see a valid reason not to expose that the day he got the items. (if true, it would be good info to know more about Joseph's true role, and it would show that Joth was lying, and add to his scuminess factor)
So while I do still more strongly about faust and prefer that, I am currently off the fence on skip / mail-mi. I would love to get an answer to my question on items before we vote, but if I don't I'll assume non random. And that points to mail-mi. I could go with that another day.
About pushing 1v1 each day, I distinctly remember that on D2 galz and mail-mi had competing wagons, and you were pushing galz hard. I think you're confusing pushing the 1v1 (potentially a towny thing) with pushing me and not pushing mail-mi (definitely a scummy thing).
I highly doubt you will get an answer about the item distribution.
Yes it is strange that faust lied about the notebook. But it is also strange that he told the truth the next day. Maybe even more strange, I would venture.
Did Joseph claim one of stealing from joth n2?I'm pretty sure he did.
Feels to me at this point we should lynch the 1v1, and we will learn a lot from that.
If town vs town, we can give further scrutiny to those who advocated for it (myself included).
If town vs scum, we can give further scrutiny to those who were against it.
And if scum vs scum (different factions), then win-win!
One thing I want to know about setup is how town PRs work*. i.e. as I hypothesized at one point that people who have town PRs can only do things if they get their needed item.
* I'm not saying anyone can answer me directly, because they may not want to reveal their PR
But it does seem likely scum can do things without items. I mean several blocks and steals happened on N1. Unless town could do that without items, of course.
I also was planning on calling out whoever first posted about scum being able to steal and block early in D1, but it turns out that was recently departed DatSwan. :(
so my case on skip continues:
So if scum can do things, wouldn't it make sense for them to claim the same item (and then role) as someone else and then block them from getting it.
I will be sad if we don't lynch one of skip or mail-mi today, or maybe galz. We should have yesterday, before so many moved to awaclus (including all three of the above).
Either way, I do think he's scum. We'll find out soon enough.
I don't, good job lynching town yet again and avoiding every single 1v1 again, great job town proud of ya.
Now claim to get robbed.
Hey, I was on skip all day, and said I wanted to the 1-1 since yesterday. Switched when that wasn't going anywhere. But OK.
This post is so scummy I can't even.And the thought of confirming you actually have a baseball cap by giving it to somebody honestly hasn't crossed your mind?
I don't feel the need to confirm I have it. I'd rather it not fall into the wrong hands.
YesDid Joseph claim one of stealing from joth n2?I'm pretty sure he did.
Which is the only reason you all haven't lost yet, because otherwise joth would have won alone
what did you do?Grave rob joth, didn't get an owl piece
I'm a little confused. skip, do you know something we don't?I guess so. It isn't really something you shouldn't know, if you were paying attention.
I'm a little confused. skip, do you know something we don't?I guess so. It isn't really something you shouldn't know, if you were paying attention.
Let's wait for faust.
No real reason, no. It'll just be more fun that way, I think.I'm a little confused. skip, do you know something we don't?I guess so. It isn't really something you shouldn't know, if you were paying attention.
Let's wait for faust.
I'm also confused - though I did read something that doesn't make sense to me. But not sure why that would elicit a "well done".
I'm willing to say what it is, but is there a reason we're not, skip? Why wait for faust?
What skip said would be true, except I have all the pieces. I would take you 3 nights to graverob them, and no matter how the game goes, you don't have three nights. So you need me to give and one and pawnbroker another one tonight.you can't give and pawn on the same night tho
What skip said would be true, except I have all the pieces. I would take you 3 nights to graverob them, and no matter how the game goes, you don't have three nights. So you need me to give and one and pawnbroker another one tonight.you can't give and pawn on the same night tho
Everyone may pass 1 item to another player at night in addition to any other night actions.
If you were four scum to start, why not just give Joseph the owl two days, and then town wouldn't have majority? You'd have won by D4.We were worried that Joseph was hiding something, so we tried to win on our own terms. We thought if we get all the owl pieces we might activate some sort of special power to help us achieve that. Now we have them all but cannot use them, so turns out we need Joseph after all.
Please just tell me you're trolling. You don't know what this is doing to me.
For real.
If you were four scum to start, why not just give Joseph the owl two days ago, and then town wouldn't have majority? You'd have won by D4.
Please just tell me you're trolling. You don't know what this is doing to me.
For real.
Shame, all that."With us"- there's more than 1 scum left?
Vote: No Lynch
Joseph, we have all the owl pieces. If you vote with us, we're willing to give them to you. We can give you 2 pieces, and you can steal the third from me tonight.
Or you can lose. If I am lynched, then for sure you won't have time to recover all the pieces before the game is over.
Faust, is it you that I need to steal from tonight?Yes.
And people thought I was scum over faust. Sigh.To be fair, you thought I was scum for most of the game, which I think is more impressive.
And people thought I was scum over faust. Sigh.To be fair, you thought I was scum for most of the game, which I think is more impressive.
And people thought I was scum over faust. Sigh.To be fair, you thought I was scum for most of the game, which I think is more impressive.
Also, I found it oddly cathartic that scum, out of the goodness of their hearts, let Joseph win with them.Well I was half expecting they would try and kill me, in which case one of them would have died. Because apparently I'm a 1-shot passive redirector as well as everything else
It's strange because I think it would be even more cathartic if they double crossed him. It would serve him right, the way he threw town to the wolves without even a second thought. Also, for not giving mix the bullet.
That was already used up, as we tried and failed to steal from you before.Also, I found it oddly cathartic that scum, out of the goodness of their hearts, let Joseph win with them.Well I was half expecting they would try and kill me, in which case one of them would have died. Because apparently I'm a 1-shot passive redirector as well as everything else
It's strange because I think it would be even more cathartic if they double crossed him. It would serve him right, the way he threw town to the wolves without even a second thought. Also, for not giving mix the bullet.
The redirecting was exclusively for killing actions, so it wasn't used up. The reason your steal failed was that mail-mi jk'ed him which apparently makes him untargettable for any and all night actions.That was already used up, as we tried and failed to steal from you before.Also, I found it oddly cathartic that scum, out of the goodness of their hearts, let Joseph win with them.Well I was half expecting they would try and kill me, in which case one of them would have died. Because apparently I'm a 1-shot passive redirector as well as everything else
It's strange because I think it would be even more cathartic if they double crossed him. It would serve him right, the way he threw town to the wolves without even a second thought. Also, for not giving mix the bullet.
I'm still slightly confused about what the point of the Pawnbrokers was.
It says Treasure Hunter won but it was unbelievably out of Joseph's control to win that game, and he only won because scum wanted him to. That was a kingmaker decision all the way.Not sure what your point is? That is just something that can happen in mafia games. Why would you want Joseph to not have won here?
It says Treasure Hunter won but it was unbelievably out of Joseph's control to win that game, and he only won because scum wanted him to. That was a kingmaker decision all the way.Not sure what your point is? That is just something that can happen in mafia games. Why would you want Joseph to not have won here?
I'd be interested to know a little more about how you came up with the design.
I thought that a weakness of the setup was the fact that you told us outright that the "VT" was Generous Townie, which put scum in a very difficult position vis a vis fakeclaim. It also made it hard to pass items around meaningfully. Why force people to give items away?
The way I see it, there wasn't a way for me to win with town. To get 3 pieces withour their help would have taken 3 nights, and if we'd lynched faust then ADK would have killed the rest of fhe town by thenIt says Treasure Hunter won but it was unbelievably out of Joseph's control to win that game, and he only won because scum wanted him to. That was a kingmaker decision all the way.Not sure what your point is? That is just something that can happen in mafia games. Why would you want Joseph to not have won here?
There's two ways to see Joseph's position: he sided with scum because it's the only way for him to have a chance of winning, or he was kingmaking. I defend he was kingmaking.
Also /rant, I'm a bit miffed about my performance this game.
The way I see it, there wasn't a way for me to win with town. To get 3 pieces withour their help would have taken 3 nights, and if we'd lynched faust then ADK would have killed the rest of fhe town by thenIt says Treasure Hunter won but it was unbelievably out of Joseph's control to win that game, and he only won because scum wanted him to. That was a kingmaker decision all the way.Not sure what your point is? That is just something that can happen in mafia games. Why would you want Joseph to not have won here?
There's two ways to see Joseph's position: he sided with scum because it's the only way for him to have a chance of winning, or he was kingmaking. I defend he was kingmaking.
Also /rant, I'm a bit miffed about my performance this game.
The way I see it, there wasn't a way for me to win with town. To get 3 pieces withour their help would have taken 3 nights, and if we'd lynched faust then ADK would have killed the rest of fhe town by thenIt says Treasure Hunter won but it was unbelievably out of Joseph's control to win that game, and he only won because scum wanted him to. That was a kingmaker decision all the way.Not sure what your point is? That is just something that can happen in mafia games. Why would you want Joseph to not have won here?
There's two ways to see Joseph's position: he sided with scum because it's the only way for him to have a chance of winning, or he was kingmaking. I defend he was kingmaking.
Also /rant, I'm a bit miffed about my performance this game.
That's why I told you to try to steal the rope, so we could give it to skip and have skip keep roleblocking the last scum.
The way I see it, there wasn't a way for me to win with town. To get 3 pieces withour their help would have taken 3 nights, and if we'd lynched faust then ADK would have killed the rest of fhe town by thenIt says Treasure Hunter won but it was unbelievably out of Joseph's control to win that game, and he only won because scum wanted him to. That was a kingmaker decision all the way.Not sure what your point is? That is just something that can happen in mafia games. Why would you want Joseph to not have won here?
There's two ways to see Joseph's position: he sided with scum because it's the only way for him to have a chance of winning, or he was kingmaking. I defend he was kingmaking.
Also /rant, I'm a bit miffed about my performance this game.
That's why I told you to try to steal the rope, so we could give it to skip and have skip keep roleblocking the last scum.
Rope only had 30 feet, so you could only use it twice. I used the last of it on Joseph the night he was tied up.
The way I see it, there wasn't a way for me to win with town. To get 3 pieces withour their help would have taken 3 nights, and if we'd lynched faust then ADK would have killed the rest of fhe town by thenIt says Treasure Hunter won but it was unbelievably out of Joseph's control to win that game, and he only won because scum wanted him to. That was a kingmaker decision all the way.Not sure what your point is? That is just something that can happen in mafia games. Why would you want Joseph to not have won here?
There's two ways to see Joseph's position: he sided with scum because it's the only way for him to have a chance of winning, or he was kingmaking. I defend he was kingmaking.
Also /rant, I'm a bit miffed about my performance this game.
That's why I told you to try to steal the rope, so we could give it to skip and have skip keep roleblocking the last scum.
Rope only had 30 feet, so you could only use it twice. I used the last of it on Joseph the night he was tied up.
Well, I didn't know that at the time.
So was the Gun the only item GTs didn't have to give?
Is there a mod QT?No, all the setup info was in a Google doc. I can share it but I have to clean it up first, it's a mess.
also who needed a pocket knife?
also who needed a pocket knife?
Didn't it break the rope? I think it made the knife-wielder immune to jailkeeping.
By the way, who actually needed the bullet, and why?
MiX and I figuring that out was maybe the only town success I had. But alas, it never got to him.
MiX and I figuring that out was maybe the only town success I had. But alas, it never got to him.
This coordination was still the most fun I've had with PRs ever. Looking back now, it was incredibly lucky that we were the pair, it would've been much harder to find each other if it were anyone else :P
MiX and I figuring that out was maybe the only town success I had. But alas, it never got to him.
This coordination was still the most fun I've had with PRs ever. Looking back now, it was incredibly lucky that we were the pair, it would've been much harder to find each other if it were anyone else :P
True fact! I also don’t think we could have done it six months ago. It would have been so sweet to see it pay off, especially if you were avenging my death! Who would you have killed?
MiX and I figuring that out was maybe the only town success I had. But alas, it never got to him.
This coordination was still the most fun I've had with PRs ever. Looking back now, it was incredibly lucky that we were the pair, it would've been much harder to find each other if it were anyone else :P
True fact! I also don’t think we could have done it six months ago. It would have been so sweet to see it pay off, especially if you were avenging my death! Who would you have killed?
I never thought about it, but probably skip...
What was galz having $ all about?
And in the end what did the codebook / noteboomk say? That anyone who read it became a Treasure Hunter? (but independent from Joseph?)
also who needed a pocket knife?
Didn't it break the rope? I think it made the knife-wielder immune to jailkeeping.