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[faust]

Also, seriously raerae, why do we need to claim to move the day forward? Like we've had other days in the game where we lynched people without massclaiming haven't we?

Yep. Those have gone splendidly.

I was townreading Awaclus and e, the problem is just that you guys keep ignoring me. How does claiming help unless I'm Kai Winn?

Can you point me to where you expressed those reads?

Claiming helps because a) Garak's choice of role is alignment-indicative b) knowing Cop results informs our decision c) I think there is a decent chance that Cops are scum, and them claiming directs the nightkill their way.

[faust]

A completely different tack would be to look for the SK, in case there is one. Finding them would reduce the nk's to at most 1 per night.

Yeah that sure sounds like something scum wants.

[Uncleeurope]

I am townreading MiX.

You’re also his highest chance at a partner if he is scum. (IMO)

That being said, I definitely would prefer a different person to die today, at least.

[EFHW]

A completely different tack would be to look for the SK, in case there is one. Finding them would reduce the nk's to at most 1 per night.

Yeah that sure sounds like something scum wants.

Is it possible to communicate in a more polite manner? One less nk a night is valuable and the previous approach was going terribly.

[EFHW]

A completely different tack would be to look for the SK, in case there is one. Finding them would reduce the nk's to at most 1 per night.

That would be nice but they leave no trail.  We could just lynch MiX.  Unless you're town reading him?

No, I'm SK reading him actually. Him or Eddie.

We are playing fairly differently, interested in the connection there.

No connection between you and MiX. You are disengaged and not scumhunting.  MiX feels kind of hyper and like maybe he has a role that is difficult to navigate.

[Uncleeurope]

I would say I am disengaged, but I am scum hunting.

Regardless, I would scum hunt as an SK.

[ashersky]

I would say I am disengaged, but I am scum hunting.

Regardless, I would scum hunt as an SK.

You wouldn’t scum hunt as non-SK scum?

[Uncleeurope]

I would say I am disengaged, but I am scum hunting.

Regardless, I would scum hunt as an SK.

You wouldn’t scum hunt as non-SK scum?

She is saying me lacking interest in scum hunting (which is her opinion that I believe to be flawed, but that is irrelevant to her initial point, so I will return to the point at hand) is indicative of me being a SK, I am saying that is silly. Had she made the point that such behavior (behavior which I don't believe I am exhibiting) was indicative of scumminess, I would have broadened my initial point to include all of scum.

That being said, what answer were you expecting there?

[Uncleeurope]

Or, as my mother used to say "Just because I tell your brother that I love him doesn't mean I hate you."

[MiX]

Do you believe one of (EFHW, MiX) is scum beyond a shadow of doubt?

What were you hoping to learn by asking me this?

If you said yes I could focus my attention on lynching between you and EFHW.

And what is the downside of Town!Garak claiming? If they can convince us they are town, they can still do their thing tonight. I don't think most town!Garaks would let fear of being lynched keep them from claiming. Could be wrong.

I agree completely...except it would be terrible if Garak bus drived on the night he dies. He would have to crumb, at the very least. But I suppose he would always have to crumb so it's fine.

I don’t think even MiX is townreading MiX.

Bahahaha

That’s a sig if I’ve ever seen one.

That IS a good one, I'll need to write it down somewhere so I can use it after the game.

A completely different tack would be to look for the SK, in case there is one. Finding them would reduce the nk's to at most 1 per night.

That would be nice but they leave no trail.  We could just lynch MiX.  Unless you're town reading him?

No, I'm SK reading him actually. Him or Eddie.

We are playing fairly differently, interested in the connection there.

That's probably her scumreads that have no vote analysis behind it. Just like every case on me...worthless. But alas, I've lived this long because of it, maybe they helped.

I am townreading MiX.

Someone sane exists. Fortunate. What's your opinion on EFHW?


Now something that isn't a reply: sadly...yes, I can see a scenario where EFHW is town and Didds is scum. In fact, that's where my gut reads are pushing me...hopefully I'll reread both of them and come out with better information than the wagon.

[faust]

A completely different tack would be to look for the SK, in case there is one. Finding them would reduce the nk's to at most 1 per night.

Yeah that sure sounds like something scum wants.

Is it possible to communicate in a more polite manner? One less nk a night is valuable and the previous approach was going terribly.

Sorry about that.

Sure lynching the SK helps us. It also helps the other scum team. If the win chances with SK are 33/33/33, after lynching they are 50/50.

But
a) we have no idea whether a SK exists.
b) it is hard to find the SK, harder than finding other scum that interacts with partners.
c) lynching the SK is something everyone who is not the SK likes, so doing that is not going to create interactions that help us find other scum.

[faust]

Someone sane exists. Fortunate. What's your opinion on EFHW?

Not very likely to be scum with shraeye.

[faust]

Garak tracking:

Not Garak: faust, Eddie, EFHW, MiX, WCD

Really scummy if Garak: raerae

The rest: ash, UoS, Space

[faust]

+ if Garak chooses at the start of the game, then UoS is not Garak.

[faust]

So: Space, are you Garak?

[faust]

For reference, DatSwan's first D2 posts:

well I had a good VCA done, but the skum flip means I need to edit it. will have some stuff to go off of tonight.

also people should scan glooble for potential crumbs

Unfortunately, they seem to indicate that he investigated someone who died.

[SpaceAnemone]

So: Space, are you Garak?

I am not.

[SpaceAnemone]

I don't follow where EFHW and faust are getting the assumption that Gark must have chosen one of the two possibilities N0. That wasn't my default assumption.. was it anyone else's?

I've just gone and searched through the old game for "Garak", and even at the end of the game, his role was referred to with the "or" still in place, which implies to me that he still had the choice at that point.

[Uncleeurope]

I think I assumed they chose start of game as well.

[MiX]

I think I assumed they chose start of game as well.

Weird, I thought it was obvious that they pick which ability to use the night they want to use it...how odd. We can just get that clarification from ash when he claims, but it's still...interesting, how different people assume different things.

[raerae]

A completely different tack would be to look for the SK, in case there is one. Finding them would reduce the nk's to at most 1 per night.

That would be nice but they leave no trail.  We could just lynch MiX.  Unless you're town reading him?

I don’t think even MiX is townreading MiX.

Which begs the question of why his lynch has never gone through.

I did not.

http://begthequestion.info/

I consider myself appropriately schooled.

[raerae]

I am townreading MiX.

You’re also his highest chance at a partner if he is scum. (IMO)

That being said, I definitely would prefer a different person to die today, at least.

Who, again?  And why?  And why not MiX?

[raerae]

Or, as my mother used to say "Just because I tell your brother that I love him doesn't mean I hate you."

Your mom sounds like my kind of people.  Stealing that phrase.

[raerae]

Someone sane exists. Fortunate. What's your opinion on EFHW?

Not very likely to be scum with shraeye.

So who is?  Everybody keeps saying it couldn't possibly be MiX (I disagree), it can't be EFHW, it wasn't Awaclus.  Who is it then?  We're getting toward the shallow end of the pool.

[EFHW]

Someone sane exists. Fortunate. What's your opinion on EFHW?

Not very likely to be scum with shraeye.

So who is?  Everybody keeps saying it couldn't possibly be MiX (I disagree), it can't be EFHW, it wasn't Awaclus.  Who is it then?  We're getting toward the shallow end of the pool.

Two of UoS, ashersky, Didds.