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[gkrieg13]

Changed my profile pic, just so people know.

who are you

I'm the cragheart from Gloomhaven.

[faust]

Vote Count 1.3

Eevee (2): SpaceAnemone, LaLight
gkrieg13 (2): Hydrad, Eevee
Awaclus (1): EFHW
mcmcsalot (4): iguanaiguana, Galzria, Awaclus, gkrieg13
Hydrad (2): IDontPlayThisGame, mcmcsalot
SpaceAnemone (1): Robz888
IDontPlayThisGame (1): Jimmmmm

Not Voting (1): DatSwan

With 14 alive, it takes 8 to lynch. Day 1 ends May 31, 2018, 06:00:00 am. That is in 40 hours.

[LaLight]

vote: mcmc though

[EFHW]

vote: mcmc though

Though? This vote feels scummy in its timing, like LL is joining the biggest wagon to encourage its going through. I guess mcmc might be a little different, but has he done anything actually scummy?

vote: Lalight

[Galzria]

vote: mcmc though

Though? This vote feels scummy in its timing, like LL is joining the biggest wagon to encourage its going through. I guess mcmc might be a little different, but has he done anything actually scummy?

vote: Lalight

Yes.

So instead, for my read on you, focus less on the "He's not acting like I've seen town!Mcmc act". That's a bad line of reasoning. What I haven't liked from your play, particularly and solely relating to this game, is how loose your voting pattern has appeared. It's been very... "Where are others looking/voting/suspecting right now" - that is, it's felt like opportunistic voting, rather than based on your own personal reads.

[EFHW]

I looked for that, couldn't see it. I'll look again later, or you can point me to the relevant votes.

[Galzria]

I looked for that, couldn't see it. I'll look again later, or you can point me to the relevant votes.

Looking back, it's more subtle than I think I'm making it sound. The initial vote on Robz is just RVS (I think?), but the vote on me right after I was actively talking and being questioned by Hydrad felt jumpy, and the following vote on Eevee was a similar situation where it was right after Eevee had been talking - and followed a vote by LaLight. I think part of it is that there hasn't been any real thought behind the votes (at least, presented), and most votes have come after a spike in activity by the voted player. I'll admit it's probably less concrete than it had appeared in my head reading it through the first time, but gut reads aren't bad reads, and yeah, he's felt opportunistic and jumpy without any support for his reads.

Also, Prod Datswan

[EFHW]

I looked through again. I think his vote on you was a joke. I agreed with the vote on Hydrad. So for me the only jumpy one is the vote on Eevee, which he did give a reason for.

It's weird having both you and Hydrad in the game after the last one.

[IDontPlayThisGame]

Been busy, will post tomorrow

[faust]

Prod Datswan

Sent.

[Swowl]

Sorry guys gimme a few minutes to read up and I’ll post some content

[Swowl]

Ok it’s like 130am here and i Am halfway done with reads- summary so far would be:

(Surprise) i think Galz is skummy. Not enough too much outside influence to his posts. That being said- only game i have played with him where he flipped skum he was afk for most and subbed out so gonna keep an eye on how that progresses.

Awaclus challenging the randomness here (kill me) actually feels towny? If he were skum he already has the perfect meta set up - he can just say one liners for 3 days before anyone brings him up.

Mcmc feels like lynch bait.

As previously mentioned space seems towny.

Eevee also seems towny. Don’t really get the hate on this one - thier responses thus far seem to be driving conversation.

Robz still reading



I have a late start day tomorrow so i will expand and post then.

[mcmcsalot]

First RMM game in a looooooooooong time. It's permissible to just act crazy and post nonsense, yes?

No massclaim comment? vote: robz

This vote was on the basis that robz has had some early mass claim posts that were tied to his alignment and I intended to get a reaction from robz that I might be able to begin a read from.

Now I'm curious. would you auto hammer yourself Galz?

Lets see vote: galz

This vote was intended to rile galz up as it is of course a bad vote checking for scummy over defensiveness.

vote: eevee for omgus

Similar to he galz vote, wanted to check if eevee would defend his jokey lalight vote if I took it more seriously and called it omgus.

vote: hydrad

Legitimate vote due to the fact that he proposed we claim vt/not vt in a game where scum wants to hit pr’s more than others.

Also going back to galz point. I guess I was trying to hit both point with my one statement and didn’t articulate well. I am not typical town me because of my busier schedule and that is manifesting in such a way that instead of being able to make my own long form case posts and pursuadibg others to join me I am following and looking at what others are saying and trying my best to create interactions and get reactions with my votes.

[mcmcsalot]

Regarding Eevee:

I don't think I've ever, in over 30 games played with him, had a scum read on him. His posting style is always so upbeat and cheery that it's hard for me to think he could be up to nefarious deeds. In regards to the discussion on massclaiming, his being against it to begin with is more out-of-line for Eevee as I remember him than is his "Let's do it because it sounds fun". He definitely backpeddaled quickly and changed position on it.... but I don't see why scum would do so publicly and quickly - it's not as if there was an obvious shift in group opinion from the other people in the game that he would've felt he needed to gel with them.

Now, he IS being rather talkative overall (compared to how I recall him being), but that may be a bias I'm having due to the general lack of activity from everyone else. Eevee, as I've seen him as scum, tends to try harder than his normal town self. He comes across as forced because he wants to be read as town. This "try harder" attitude often manifests itself in a higher-than-average post count, as well as him town-reading everybody, not wanting to commit to scum reads because he's scared (maybe not the right word) of OMGUS and drawing attention to himself. He's hedgy as scum, and always, always, always (as is his nature) suuuuuuper polite and nice.

Going off of this (which I agree with for the most part), I think some of eevee's comments so far have felt like scum!eevee. Underlined felt scummy to me in the first place, you add to it that it could be eevee pivoting in an attempt to look more towny because there isn't a game related reason for pivoting. Italicised I also agree with but its a pretty slippery slope because I want to encourage posting as much as possible and could be he is just energized. Bolded is actually the best point and it feels like his defense of me was an awkward attempt to subtly buddy me into losing my slight scum read on him.

[mcmcsalot]

reading Galz's post I am starting to notice mcmc is not really his town!self... I think mcmc and Eevee are scummy

Explain why you think I am not my “town” self? I pointed out the reason I look different then previous mcmc but I don’t see the conflation to why I am specifically not my town self.

I would still like lalight specifically to answer this. Especially seeing as he feels it strongly enough now to vote for me.

[SpaceAnemone]

how likely is it that scum!Awaclus would think that some town roles might be negative-utility for scum?

I already said I thought that before I even joined the game.

You said that a few posts earlier, but you said nothing that I can see before the game started.. meaning you could easily lie about your previous belief if you think it will benefit you here.

As it is, you're arguing against me suggesting you could feasibly be slightly townie for a certain statement, which pretty much tells us all that you'll argue semantics about anything. Sure, I'm happy to admit that I'm trying to reason with probabilities and likelihoods, and that some of it will probably be incorrect. That isn't going to stop me sharing observations in case they're useful for other people's reasoning.

[Awaclus]

As it is, you're arguing against me suggesting you could feasibly be slightly townie for a certain statement, which pretty much tells us all that you'll argue semantics about anything.

No, I just think that it's not great to have misinformation about me going around and I don't see the benefit in someone townreading me for the wrong reasons (I think they're pretty likely to change that read if it's not based on real reasons).

[SpaceAnemone]

I know mcmc and I are very different players, but I've been aware in my own scum games that I feel guilt and don't commit as much, and then I'm more likely to use being unusually busy as an excuse for not posting. Annoyingly, it's also perfectly possible to be busy town not posting, especially because we're all pretty lax about posting requirements at times.

I have a bit of a habit of scumreading mcmc anyway. And his defensive responses lately haven't felt overtly townie, but he is at least offering up an alternative wagon in the form of Eevee, though he's not voting for Eevee right now, which is a negative. Argh, I'm in two minds about mcmc, and this was only meant to be a super-brief though to post in between tasks at work..

[iguanaiguana]

When I get to reading this maybe I will skip over every post with mass claim in it.

But thats like half the game

You're right. I showed up, and read everything.

Here's some people we shouldn't lynch today:

SpaceAnemone
Eevee
Hydrad
IDontPlayThisGame (because he's obv!town... although he does say mislynching him D1 = a town victory.)
DatSwan
Galzria (just a D1 pass for him)
Lalight
Iguana

Here's some people we maybe should lynch:

McMcsalot
Awaclus
Jimmmmm

The other people that I'm not sure about are:

gkrieg
EFHW
Robz888

Lots of townreads seems like a good thing. Let's lynch in that bottom six, but really in that middle three.

FWIW in recent game's I've modded or co-modded I have seen mass claims either happen late in the game and be somewhat beneficial or I've seen them early giving scum way more information that town would have thought possible while telling town basically nothing. In Super Smash Bros mafia, an early partial mass claim gave scum tons of info and told town absolutely nothing, and the game was a cakewalk for scum.

So no mass claim. I'm a town saying it, influencing it in the interest of town, uh, probably.

Anyway I'm voting McMc for the reasons Galzria laid out more or less, and didn't move it because nothing changed all game and he's still the best vote I think. I noticed the jumpy voting on his first jump and then when he ignored my "vote for reactions" thing and did a few more jumps it seemed worse. I know he's busy. But this being a potential mercy kill with a good chance of hitting scum doesn't bother me in the least.

[Hydrad]

oh we doing reads now?

I wanna do reads also.

0=scum, 4-6 is pretty neutral, 10 = town.

1. EFHW (5.9) you're close to being town. but not quiet there.
2. gkrieg13 (2.4) You're a scum
3. iguanaiguana (6.2) I like you last post but since there isn't a ton to go off of this could change fast
4. Eevee (6.7) I like you
5. Awaclus (5.9) I'm leaning closer to town on you for some reason. hurrah.
6. LaLight (3.5) I don't know why I have this feeling on you. but here you are.
7. SpaceAnemone (6.5) I kinda like you also
8. Hydrad (1241242) yes
9. Jimmmmm (5) I can't read you usually so you just get to exist for now
10. mcmcsalot (4.1) kinda scummy, but I also feel like some of the reason hes scummy is that hes busier then normal, so would lynch but not top priority
11. Robz888 (5.6) sure
12. DatSwan (3. slight scum
13. Galzria (6) I don't know why you are here but here you are!
14. IDontPlayThisGame (4.5) basically neutral

[EFHW]

I want to lynch Lalight. He has 9 posts total, some of which are off-task. This post reads as illogical=scummy to me. Of course we shouldn't lynch town, but the point is we don't know if he is or not. That bit of reasoning seems unnecessary and like scum trying to look like town:

I am against mass claiming for now. Scum will know who to kill to get a cool role.

I lean scum on EFHW for voting for Awaclus, I don't think he's scum. And whether he's cluttering the thread or not, if he's town we shouldn't vote him. Also, @SA, how exactly do we know 31% of people are scums? Maybe here's only one scum and the setup is still balanced? Looks like a scumslip to me

He never answered this question:

I would very much like to vote: Eevee

Call it gut

Can you spell out the gut feeling?

And his mcmc vote timing was scummy, as I mentioned recently.

[mcmcsalot]

Anyway I'm voting McMc for the reasons Galzria laid out more or less, and didn't move it because nothing changed all game and he's still the best vote I think. I noticed the jumpy voting on his first jump and then when he ignored my "vote for reactions" thing and did a few more jumps it seemed worse. I know he's busy. But this being a potential mercy kill with a good chance of hitting scum doesn't bother me in the least.

Hahahaha, you think it's scummy of me to ignore your post that was literally "vote: mcmc for reaction", but you also think my jumpy votes robz for not mentioning massclaim, on galz for being hammer happy and on eevee for omgus (which as I have explained were to get reactions) is also scummy. Are robz and galz and eevee scummy for ignoring my votes on them...no the votes just didn't accomplish what I wanted hence moving them, yours didn't accomplish what you wanted but now you have conveniently turned it into a sheep vote while adding nothing to the case.

[mcmcsalot]

I want to wait for his response before I place my vote but I agree lalight isn't looking very towny.

[mcmcsalot]

oh we doing reads now?

I wanna do reads also.

0=scum, 4-6 is pretty neutral, 10 = town.

1. EFHW (5.9) you're close to being town. but not quiet there.
2. gkrieg13 (2.4) You're a scum
3. iguanaiguana (6.2) I like you last post but since there isn't a ton to go off of this could change fast
4. Eevee (6.7) I like you
5. Awaclus (5.9) I'm leaning closer to town on you for some reason. hurrah.
6. LaLight (3.5) I don't know why I have this feeling on you. but here you are.
7. SpaceAnemone (6.5) I kinda like you also
8. Hydrad (1241242) yes
9. Jimmmmm (5) I can't read you usually so you just get to exist for now
10. mcmcsalot (4.1) kinda scummy, but I also feel like some of the reason hes scummy is that hes busier then normal, so would lynch but not top priority
11. Robz888 (5.6) sure
12. DatSwan (3. slight scum
13. Galzria (6) I don't know why you are here but here you are!
14. IDontPlayThisGame (4.5) basically neutral

Hydrad I know this is a thing you do but I would refrain from doing it so early and so specifically. All this really accomplishes is letting scum know exactly how easy it is to get you to lynch people. This coming from someone who was really in favor of early and often reads lists until I realized how nice it was for scum.

[mcmcsalot]

Super early post count

31 - idontplaythisgame (3)
29 - Awaclus (1)
27 - Eevee (1)
22 - mcmcsalot (1)
19 - EFHW (1)
19 - Gkrieg (1)
18 - SpaceAnemone (1)
14 - Hydrad (1)
14 - Galzria (2)
9 - Robz (2)
8 - Lalight (1)
8 - Datswan (2)
6 - iguanauiguana (1)
6 - Jimmmm (1)