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[Cuzz]

L-3

[JaketheBaseballGod22]

Vote Count 2.6

Cuzz (1): faust
O (1): Awaclus
AndrewisFTTW (6): pingpongsam, 2.71828...., lalight, eevee, O, sudgy
Dylan23 (2): Galzria, AndrewisFTTW
LaLight (1): RoadRunner7671
sudgy (2): Dylan32, The_Wine_Merchant
Galzria (1): iguanaiguana
Ashersky (1): Cuzz

Not Voting (5): SpaceAnemone, mcmcsalot, ashersky, JaketheBaseballGod22, Jimmmmm,

With 20 alive it takes just 10 to lynch. Day 2 ends on Sunday, May 28th, at 11:00 AM Forum Time.

I'm voting dylan

[gkrieg13]

Vote Count 2.6

Cuzz (1): faust
O (1): Awaclus
AndrewisFTTW (6): pingpongsam, 2.71828...., lalight, eevee, O, sudgy
Dylan23 (2): Galzria, AndrewisFTTW
LaLight (1): RoadRunner7671
sudgy (2): Dylan32, The_Wine_Merchant
Galzria (1): iguanaiguana
Ashersky (1): Cuzz

Not Voting (5): SpaceAnemone, mcmcsalot, ashersky, JaketheBaseballGod22, Jimmmmm,

With 20 alive it takes just 10 to lynch. Day 2 ends on Sunday, May 28th, at 11:00 AM Forum Time.

I'm voting dylan

Fixed

[Dylan32]

Ok. Vote: Andrew L-2.

[Awaclus]

Ok. Vote: Andrew L-2.

Only me or TWM were supposed to put people at L-2.

[Dylan32]

Ok. Vote: Andrew L-2.

Only me or TWM were supposed to put people at L-2.

I thought it just needed to be at L-2 for TWM and mcmc. Forgot about your part. my bad. unvote

[The_Wine_Merchant]

Two reminders. I still don't like the Andrew lynch. I was ready to give town points to anyone who asked "why" but no one has bothered.

Second. I am basically gone starting Friday morning. I will be at work then hitting the road. Access will be very much up in the air and my destination has no internet nor great phone access. If you want me to participate in the lynch it needs to be tomorrow night. So we basically have 24 hours.

Why

Ok.

So here is why I think Andrew is a poor lynch. From what I understand Andrew is considered a good lynch for the following reasons:

1. Tunneling known town members - I don't see this as scummy. Let's actually look at other games and see if that adds up. Looking at M96 where I was mafia with him, he didn't tunnel. He bounced around and more importantly lightly buss. You can't buss someone who ends up being town.
2. Getting into an argument with Cuzz - Cuzz seems like an easy guy to get into an argument with and Andrew I think is slightly more likely to argue than others. That is personality.
3. Buddying me - Andrew and I have been involved with each other for a bit here. I have said this before. We have been partners, he modded a game with me in it and superbly townread each other last game (M98). He can read me and I think I can read him.
4. lurking - when Andrew is scum he posts more often.

People who have been pushing the Andrew wagon are on the suspicious end to me (Cuzz, PPS, Eevee, 2.7, sudgy) I don't know why PPS and Cuzz are getting general passes here. They might not be the best lynches right now, but I am seeing too many people declare them to be town when that isn't based off anything worthy of that read at all.

What it boils down to is that the reasons for the Andrew wagon aren't very good, the people pushing it are suspect and I have a strongish town read coming from someone that is nearly confirmed town and I think I have an above average ability to read him.

That is all.

[The_Wine_Merchant]

Ok. Vote: Andrew L-2.

Only me or TWM were supposed to put people at L-2.

That only works if you are willing to vote for someone other than O. If you are then you or I can be L-2 or L-1. If you aren't. Well then that isn't going to work. Are you willing to vote for someone other than O?

[Roadrunner7671]

Andrew should just claim.

[The_Wine_Merchant]

The only person I have even a slight townread on right now voting for Andrew is O.

[Cuzz]

TWM who do you want to lynch instead who you can get 8 other people to agree with before tonight?

[AndrewisFTTW]

It's doesn't mean nothing, it means you were pushing an alternate wagon which was also on town. It doesn't mean you are guaranteed scum either but it means something.

"That's not indicative of alignment!" is everyone's counterargument to everything in this game and it's a little tiresome.

Show me something that is 100& indicative of alignment.

But seriously, above all else this doesn't mean anything. How is me having my vote on gkrieg scummier than actually contributing a vote to the mislynch?

Because scum wants to be off wagon, see exhibit galzria.

Um... No. Scum wanted to mislynch. Yes not all of the scum tram wants to be on the wagon but seriously, you know how many game town would lose if we followed your line of thinking right now?

By the way, Dylan is so scum it's ridiculous.

[The_Wine_Merchant]

TWM who do you want to lynch instead who you can get 8 other people to agree with before tonight?

Probably no one. I have said I will lynch him if we have to, but I don't like it and I will FOS those who participate in on it without looking at other options.

I have repeatedly said I would rather look at sudgy, Jimmmm, 2.7, LaLight, Dylan

[AndrewisFTTW]

Sorry for the typos.

[AndrewisFTTW]

TWM you think I'm town? If so, please tell these lovely people why.

[The_Wine_Merchant]

The Andrew wagon feels like we are completely ignoring the actual information we have from yesterday, the lynch wagons and the Calam flip and just reverting back to Day 1 sort of cases. I don't blame mcmc for this, but it is because the plan has made many people "lazy" and unwilling to actual go back and look at things.

[The_Wine_Merchant]

TWM you think I'm town? If so, please tell these lovely people why.

Post 2306. I think does a decent job of it.

[Cuzz]

TWM who do you want to lynch instead who you can get 8 other people to agree with before tonight?

Probably no one. I have said I will lynch him if we have to, but I don't like it and I will FOS those who participate in on it without looking at other options.

I have repeatedly said I would rather look at sudgy, Jimmmm, 2.7, LaLight, Dylan

I could do Jimmmmm, but I thought you were the one on a timecrunch, so it seems a little counterproductive to derail the seemingly only viable wagon with your nebulous townread on Andrew.

[AndrewisFTTW]

TWM who do you want to lynch instead who you can get 8 other people to agree with before tonight?

Probably no one. I have said I will lynch him if we have to, but I don't like it and I will FOS those who participate in on it without looking at other options.

I have repeatedly said I would rather look at sudgy, Jimmmm, 2.7, LaLight, Dylan

I could do Jimmmmm, but I thought you were the one on a timecrunch, so it seems a little counterproductive to derail the seemingly only viable wagon with your nebulous townread on Andrew.

Unlike certain people, it seems like TWM is actually interested in lynching scum.

[Dylan32]

It's doesn't mean nothing, it means you were pushing an alternate wagon which was also on town. It doesn't mean you are guaranteed scum either but it means something.

"That's not indicative of alignment!" is everyone's counterargument to everything in this game and it's a little tiresome.

Show me something that is 100& indicative of alignment.

But seriously, above all else this doesn't mean anything. How is me having my vote on gkrieg scummier than actually contributing a vote to the mislynch?

Because scum wants to be off wagon, see exhibit galzria.

Um... No. Scum wanted to mislynch. Yes not all of the scum tram wants to be on the wagon but seriously, you know how many game town would lose if we followed your line of thinking right now?

By the way, Dylan is so scum it's ridiculous.

Andrew, you were my partner a few games ago. Can you honestly say I've been at all similar to that game, or any other game were I've been scum? I've literally maintained the same scum meta in all my scum games because I get townread for it and tend to survive. Why would I change what has been working splendidly just so I could say "that's what I do as scum" this game when doing so would ruin my ability to act that way in future games? No. It would have been better for hypothetical scum!me to maintain the same meta in this game until called out on it, and in a game this big, I doubt people would have even noticed...

PPE 5

[Cuzz]

It's doesn't mean nothing, it means you were pushing an alternate wagon which was also on town. It doesn't mean you are guaranteed scum either but it means something.

"That's not indicative of alignment!" is everyone's counterargument to everything in this game and it's a little tiresome.

Show me something that is 100& indicative of alignment.

But seriously, above all else this doesn't mean anything. How is me having my vote on gkrieg scummier than actually contributing a vote to the mislynch?

Because scum wants to be off wagon, see exhibit galzria.

Um... No. Scum wanted to mislynch. Yes not all of the scum tram wants to be on the wagon but seriously, you know how many game town would lose if we followed your line of thinking right now?

By the way, Dylan is so scum it's ridiculous.

Andrew, you were my partner a few games ago. Can you honestly say I've been at all similar to that game, or any other game were I've been scum? I've literally maintained the same scum meta in all my scum games because I get townread for it and tend to survive. Why would I change what has been working splendidly just so I could say "that's what I do as scum" this game when doing so would ruin my ability to act that way in future games? No. It would have been better for hypothetical scum!me to maintain the same meta in this game until called out on it, and in a game this big, I doubt people would have even noticed...

PPE 5

This is awful awful stuff and my mild townread on Dylan has now drifted away like pollen in a gentle spring breeze.

[JaketheBaseballGod22]

It's doesn't mean nothing, it means you were pushing an alternate wagon which was also on town. It doesn't mean you are guaranteed scum either but it means something.

"That's not indicative of alignment!" is everyone's counterargument to everything in this game and it's a little tiresome.

Show me something that is 100& indicative of alignment.

But seriously, above all else this doesn't mean anything. How is me having my vote on gkrieg scummier than actually contributing a vote to the mislynch?

Because scum wants to be off wagon, see exhibit galzria.

Um... No. Scum wanted to mislynch. Yes not all of the scum tram wants to be on the wagon but seriously, you know how many game town would lose if we followed your line of thinking right now?

By the way, Dylan is so scum it's ridiculous.

Yep

[mcmcsalot]

Twm how much time do you have left?

[JaketheBaseballGod22]

Twm how much time do you have left?

What would you say to dylan?

[mcmcsalot]

Twm how much time do you have left?

What would you say to dylan?

I'd say one person voting for him is the person I and many of my town reads currently believe is mafia(andrew) and the other person is someone I already suspected of being mafia who has since decided having two pseudo ic's means scumhunting and putting in time and effort is a waste of their time and has also been scummily absent from most of the discussion since claims happened(galzria)

So no definitively don't want to switch over to dylan close before our twm deadline because some people are balking at the andrew lynch. Remember scum is not going to help us lynch scum, if all the sudden 8 people are hyped up to lynch dylan despite him not recieving anywhere near that attention befor the claims I definitely don't want to do that.