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[Dylan32]

Hyperbole is lost on you, isn't it?

Is that hyperbole?

Probably 

[Cuzz]

I kinda feel like mcmc should be directing the action a little bit more and I think it's weird that he isn't.

[Roadrunner7671]

In my defense, I'm not actually scum.

[JaketheBaseballGod22]

Dylan says that Ashersky is almost confirmed scum to him

Sorry, where did he say this?

Yeah. RR is scum. I literally never said that. I think Ash is most likely town, but recognize he could be scum.  Either way, I think the plan is pro-town, so we follow it.

Vote: Dylan I'm amply confused by everything dylan is saying.

Oh come on. This isn't even a hard to follow statement.  The RR is scum is my read based on his reaction and misrepresentation of my words.  I clarify that I think Ash is probably town, but even if he isn't, the plan that he was pushing is ultimately likely to secure a town victory, so I intend to follow it until we need to reevalutate.

PPE 1

Your misrepresenting my words so I think it's justified.

[JaketheBaseballGod22]

Well, if the plan was to mostly random lynch with mild direction from reads, that sounds good to me, because I've been busier than I anticipated recently, so I'm good with following the plan.

I was about to sort people into would prefer to lynch or not, but it turned into just the order I would propose we lynch, so this doubles is both:
sudgy
eevee
Space
LaLight
Jake (way outside both town and scum meta to the point of legitimately lurking, by his own admission to try to avoid looking scummy)
***Null-ish section***
Andrew
RR (Has he posted in the last 24-48 hours? I don't remember him going this long without cracking a joke.)
iguana
Cuzz
Galz (I wouldn't be surprised no matter what Galz flips. Depending on how others flip, I feel I would figure it out, but in lieu of flips, I'm not sure)
O (Hard to believe I'm still null on O, but since I've never seen him, I just don't know what to make of him. Definitely would not want to lynch right away)
Jimmmmm (Nothing has really stood out at all. I don't think he would be that informative of a flip)
***lean town***
e
faust
Ash (might be the frustrated and resigned scum, but his eagerness to just get the game over with suggests either him sincerely wanting town to follow the most likely path to victory, resigned scum, or scum that knows town has just been bamboozled and is willing to give himself up a little bit to help mcmc and TWM continue the charade. For now, not worth lynching until we have reason to re-evaluate)
***Most likely town (No surprises)***
pps (Seems like town pps. Also claim un-contested. Sheeper would be the perfect role to fakeclaim to explain a lack of being NK'd though, so might be worth looking at later if things don't go well.)
TWM
awaclus
mcmc
***For sure town. IC in fact***
me (While I know I've been pretty low utility for town, I would also like to point out my signature and my record in town games (green) and scum games (red) and ask you to judge which alignment I tend to actually play better as. I hate that gkrieg was killed because he would probably back me up on that claim.)

What are you actually talking about?

@RR/Jake - you two haven't interacted with each other. Unusual, yes?

It's hard to interact with Jake if he barely meets the post minimum.

lol I'm just trying to not get into arguments that make everyone wanna lynch me.

Translation: All you are doing is trying not to get lynched.

Lol do you want me and RR to go back to the way we used to play where we just made jokes and got lynched early for it because here I'm saying I don't want but it sounds like you wasn't me too. Complete and utter misrepresentation of words by you which you just said is very scummy.

[JaketheBaseballGod22]

In my defense, I'm not actually scum.

Me ethier.

[mcmcsalot]

I kinda feel like mcmc should be directing the action a little bit more and I think it's weird that he isn't.

Sorry had a busy day yesterday, work is pretty crazy which is when I do almost all my posting (I know not great) and the the season finale of survivor was on so I wasn't posting throughout that.

Now that it is a new day though and I don't think the conversations have been going in a productive direction.

I still want to lynch andrew/eevee/galz/lalight. If twm is so confident in sudgy we can lynch him too but I really don't think it's good for today.

I would prefer to lynch andrew or eevee today. Andrew was voting a confirmed townie yesterday and my town reads of pps/2.7/e were voting him. Eevee has continued to be a non faction in this game other than to post a "I believe mcmc yay" post and I think the movement of his votes yesterday were scummy.

[LaLight]

I kinda feel like mcmc should be directing the action a little bit more and I think it's weird that he isn't.

Sorry had a busy day yesterday, work is pretty crazy which is when I do almost all my posting (I know not great) and the the season finale of survivor was on so I wasn't posting throughout that.

Now that it is a new day though and I don't think the conversations have been going in a productive direction.

I still want to lynch andrew/eevee/galz/lalight. If twm is so confident in sudgy we can lynch him too but I really don't think it's good for today.

I would prefer to lynch andrew or eevee today. Andrew was voting a confirmed townie yesterday and my town reads of pps/2.7/e were voting him. Eevee has continued to be a non faction in this game other than to post a "I believe mcmc yay" post and I think the movement of his votes yesterday were scummy.

Why me though?

[mcmcsalot]

Hammer hero Countdown (this should be correct)

Cuzz (2): faust, AndrewisFTTW
O (1): Awaclus
AndrewisFTTW (4): pingpongsam, 2.71828...., lalight, eevee
Dylan23 (1): Galzria
LaLight (1): RoadRunner7671
sudgy (2): Dylan32, The_Wine_Merchant
Galzria (1): iguanaiguana
Ashersky (2): O, Cuzz

Not Voting (8.): SpaceAnemone, mcmcsalot, ashersky, JaketheBaseballGod22, sudgy, Jimmmmm,

With 20 alive it takes just 10 to lynch. Day 2 ends on Sunday, May 28th, at 11:00 AM Forum Time.

[mcmcsalot]

Because I feel like you were scum reading me for reason I don't feel town!lalight scum reads me during day 1. Because I found your jumping on the jreggie wagon post scummy. Because I feel your interactions with galz/eevee whom I find scummy are slighty partnery. You are definitely toward the end of my want to lynch pool so there's plenty of room to change my read you just aren't striking me as towny the way other players are.

[mcmcsalot]

I know as town I'm susceptible to being buddies and suspicious of people scum reading me so I try really hard to look at why the person is town reading or scum reading me and see if it makes sense for that person as town. It's why I have a scum read on eevee but a town read on sudgy, both have buddied me but sudgy has gone out of his way to reference very accurate meta analysis of my play multiple times and before I ever had town cred from anyone and it was in a very "this is what o remember about mcmc if t helps anyone sort of way". Where as some of eevee's posts have struck me as very great job mcmc keep up the good work type of buddying.

[O]

vote: Andrew

largest wagon that our lord and savior approves of. lets get this moving.

[sudgy]

I won't be around for too much of today, so I guess Vote: Andrew.  L-4.

Just in case, could we get an actual vote count?

Thursday is one of my busiest days, but I should have some time later to check in.

[Cuzz]

Happy to switch back to Andrew but will wait for real vote count I think.

[sudgy]

Could everybody voting for me explain your reasoning for doing so?

Could you explain your reasoning for why people voting for you shouldn't?

Alright, just reread myself, here's a few things I found:

This is super dope, I'm about to get a bunch of fake currency.

I was gonna look at Calamitas's interactions but 4 people already did that. Big games. I'll establish some reads I guess, but I won't make them public.

...why not make them public?  I can't think of any reason why you shouldn't, and I can think of several that you should.

Scum doesn't care about reads at all, so I wouldn't have asked him this.

I was thinking about doing a whole bunch of work to reassess my TWM read but now I don't have to!  Yay!

Realized that my wagon wasn't going to gain any traction since it was completely bogus?

It was actually because I realized a few of the things you had done that I said were scummy still fit a town narrative.  That made me think about how I feel like I do scummy things a lot as town, so I was wondering if it was the same thing for you.  I was going to reread you twice, once assuming you were town and seeing how well it fits the narrative, and once assuming you were scum.  Then I was going to see which was more plausible.

Also, if I was scum, I think I would have stuck to tunneling you more.  I've done it before so I could just point that out as my defense if it got me in trouble.

I think after explaining this you'll see why this is good evidence for me being town.  As scum, I try to play like town as best as I can (others can attest to this).  However, I realized that the whole TWM thing would have gone differently depending on if I was scum or town (if he hadn't claimed).  As town, I started wondering if maybe he was town.  As scum, I would have known he was town already and not even thought about reconsidering.  It's kind of freaking me out that my scumplan wouldn't have worked in this situation.  Anyway.

TWM, the one problem with saying who you're hiding behind early is that mafia could just kill you anyway after you have said two town players.  Then we'll get two mislynches and your death.  It's somewhat unlikely, but given the fact that mafia are already doing worse I think they are more likely to gamble with killing you.

As PPS said, no way does scum point this out.

I agree with almost everything Ash has said, as it was my exact reaction yesterday upon learning of the setup we've been handed. The counter arguments to the numbers working completely in our favor assume that each day we mislynch AND each night two town are NK'd for three consecutive days. That's 9 for 9 in town deaths which is just highly, highly unlikely.

That said, I disagree with his "lynch from the signup sheet" plan -

A) Because I'm first, am Town, and softclaim have utility that I believe will be beneficial to furthering town's chances of winning.

B) If Ash is scum and knows his partners are Sudgy and Jake, he's setting scum up to come back and win.

I would be in favor of random lynching, or lynching based off mcmc/TWM's highest scum reads or whatever.

But as of right now, given the current setup, I can't really bring myself to continue to play at the level I was. It takes a moderate amount of my time and is simply unnecessary.

(I'm not ceasing to play, but actively engaging in full rereads to scum hunt don't seem to serve much purpose)

While I don't think this sounds like defeated scum Galzria it doesn't sound like "let me make damn sure we do this right" town Galzria, either.

That's fair. It's just hard to give 110% to a game that's essentially won already.

That said - mcmc, how do you feel about dictating wagon votes?

If it takes 10 to lynch for example, and you/TWM need to be the last two, that leaves 8 people to be on the wagon first. The more scum that are on the wagon, the less likely they can steal the Hammer.

So if you round up your scum list (or yours and TWM's combined) and put them on the wagon - while not all likely to be scum you're reducing the odds (in your mind anyway) of a scum hammer steal. At least, it removes those players from being able to do so.

Obviously anybody unwilling to be on the wagon should probably be lynched instead in this case.

I don't like controlling votes.  It's not 100% that we win (although it is close), so I would like people to lynch like "normal" and just have mcmc hammer (with twm also, etc.).

I think scum says to just give up and lynch randomly, and I have been completely opposed to that.  Anything scum can do to make us stop scumhunting gives them a tiny bit greater of a chance to win.

[AndrewisFTTW]

Sorry had a busy day yesterday, work is pretty crazy which is when I do almost all my posting (I know not great) and the the season finale of survivor was on so I wasn't posting throughout that.

Now that it is a new day though and I don't think the conversations have been going in a productive direction.

I still want to lynch andrew/eevee/galz/lalight. If twm is so confident in sudgy we can lynch him too but I really don't think it's good for today.

I would prefer to lynch andrew or eevee today. Andrew was voting a confirmed townie yesterday and my town reads of pps/2.7/e were voting him. Eevee has continued to be a non faction in this game other than to post a "I believe mcmc yay" post and I think the movement of his votes yesterday were scummy.

You do realize this means absolutely nothing right?

Here are my preferred lynches in order:

Dylan32
Cuzz
LaLight
Jimm
ashersky

[mcmcsalot]

It's doesn't mean nothing, it means you were pushing an alternate wagon which was also on town. It doesn't mean you are guaranteed scum either but it means something.

[Cuzz]

It's doesn't mean nothing, it means you were pushing an alternate wagon which was also on town. It doesn't mean you are guaranteed scum either but it means something.

"That's not indicative of alignment!" is everyone's counterargument to everything in this game and it's a little tiresome.

[JaketheBaseballGod22]

Sorry had a busy day yesterday, work is pretty crazy which is when I do almost all my posting (I know not great) and the the season finale of survivor was on so I wasn't posting throughout that.

Now that it is a new day though and I don't think the conversations have been going in a productive direction.

I still want to lynch andrew/eevee/galz/lalight. If twm is so confident in sudgy we can lynch him too but I really don't think it's good for today.

I would prefer to lynch andrew or eevee today. Andrew was voting a confirmed townie yesterday and my town reads of pps/2.7/e were voting him. Eevee has continued to be a non faction in this game other than to post a "I believe mcmc yay" post and I think the movement of his votes yesterday were scummy.

You do realize this means absolutely nothing right?

Here are my preferred lynches in order:

Dylan32
Cuzz
LaLight
Jimm
ashersky

Wanna vote dylan?

[AndrewisFTTW]

It's doesn't mean nothing, it means you were pushing an alternate wagon which was also on town. It doesn't mean you are guaranteed scum either but it means something.

"That's not indicative of alignment!" is everyone's counterargument to everything in this game and it's a little tiresome.

Show me something that is 100& indicative of alignment.

But seriously, above all else this doesn't mean anything. How is me having my vote on gkrieg scummier than actually contributing a vote to the mislynch?

[AndrewisFTTW]

Sorry had a busy day yesterday, work is pretty crazy which is when I do almost all my posting (I know not great) and the the season finale of survivor was on so I wasn't posting throughout that.

Now that it is a new day though and I don't think the conversations have been going in a productive direction.

I still want to lynch andrew/eevee/galz/lalight. If twm is so confident in sudgy we can lynch him too but I really don't think it's good for today.

I would prefer to lynch andrew or eevee today. Andrew was voting a confirmed townie yesterday and my town reads of pps/2.7/e were voting him. Eevee has continued to be a non faction in this game other than to post a "I believe mcmc yay" post and I think the movement of his votes yesterday were scummy.

You do realize this means absolutely nothing right?

Here are my preferred lynches in order:

Dylan32
Cuzz
LaLight
Jimm
ashersky

Wanna vote dylan?

Vote: Dylan

[mcmcsalot]

It's doesn't mean nothing, it means you were pushing an alternate wagon which was also on town. It doesn't mean you are guaranteed scum either but it means something.

"That's not indicative of alignment!" is everyone's counterargument to everything in this game and it's a little tiresome.

Show me something that is 100& indicative of alignment.

But seriously, above all else this doesn't mean anything. How is me having my vote on gkrieg scummier than actually contributing a vote to the mislynch?

Because scum wants to be off wagon, see exhibit galzria.

[gkrieg13]

Vote Count 2.6

Cuzz (1): faust
O (1): Awaclus
AndrewisFTTW (6): pingpongsam, 2.71828...., lalight, eevee, O, sudgy
Dylan23 (3): Galzria, AndrewisFTTW, JaketheBaseballGod22
LaLight (1): RoadRunner7671
sudgy (2): Dylan32, The_Wine_Merchant
Galzria (1): iguanaiguana
Ashersky (1): Cuzz

Not Voting (4): SpaceAnemone, mcmcsalot, ashersky, Jimmmmm,

With 20 alive it takes just 10 to lynch. Day 2 ends on Sunday, May 28th, at 11:00 AM Forum Time.

[Awaclus]

Scum doesn't care about reads at all, so I wouldn't have asked him this.

That couldn't be further from the truth. Scum wants to know whether or not they're being scumread and preferably the reasons why, so that they can NK and adjust their playstyle accordingly. Town, on the other hand, doesn't really benefit from knowing reads at all.

It was actually because I realized a few of the things you had done that I said were scummy still fit a town narrative.  That made me think about how I feel like I do scummy things a lot as town, so I was wondering if it was the same thing for you.  I was going to reread you twice, once assuming you were town and seeing how well it fits the narrative, and once assuming you were scum.  Then I was going to see which was more plausible.

That's some basic stuff and you could have easily realized it as scum just as well.

As PPS said, no way does scum point this out.

PPS hasn't had a great record of saying things that are true this game.

I think scum says to just give up and lynch randomly, and I have been completely opposed to that.  Anything scum can do to make us stop scumhunting gives them a tiny bit greater of a chance to win.

Unless you're scum, in which case you get a better chance to win if we rely on reads and everyone townreads you, and you'll achieve both of these by opposing lynching randomly.

[Cuzz]

Vote: Andrew