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[Cuzz]

What? You guys are crazy. Catching up now.

Or you are just scummy.  LALL.

C'mon man, it's been 6 hours. People have jobs and whatnot.

[J Reggie]

The problem with specifically lynching anti-town is it's such a good excuse for scum. And a scum jumping on one of those wagons is nearly identical to a town jumping on one. So it doesn't matter if the anti-town player was scum or not, we get nothing alignment-indicative from the interactions.

[mcmcsalot]

What? You guys are crazy. Catching up now.

Or you are just scummy.  LALL.

C'mon man, it's been 6 hours. People have jobs and whatnot.

What I'm working! Oh wait your not my boss, back to scumhunting.  Also on a completely non-game related note, I really needed this distraction right now, thanks everyone.

[ashersky]

What? You guys are crazy. Catching up now.

Or you are just scummy.  LALL.

C'mon man, it's been 6 hours. People have jobs and whatnot.

I was clearly joking.

[gkrieg13]

This gkrieg is the "ask single questions in response to posts about me as if I were faust" gkrieg.  So, in a word, scum.

I don't believe I do that as scum.  It's better than the absent gkrieg.

At least you aren't contesting the observation.

I don't know that you've done it on purpose as scum.  I do believe that you believe that when faust does it, he's towny.  And that you've internalized the notion of that action equaling townies, and that it could subconsciously affect your play.

I do think that it is townie when faust does it.  I also think that is because it gets information out of people that they otherwise can hide.  I think asking questions gives more chance of people slipping up than not asking questions.  It also just depends on the mood I'm in that day.

[Cuzz]

The problem with specifically lynching anti-town is it's such a good excuse for scum. And a scum jumping on one of those wagons is nearly identical to a town jumping on one. So it doesn't matter if the anti-town player was scum or not, we get nothing alignment-indicative from the interactions.

I get it. It just doesn't concern me as much as the prospect of keeping an anti-town player around for that reason. They never get night-killed, they get pseudo lynch immunity for the reasons you're giving, and they're still alive in the endgame when you need strong town players.

I'm not even sure I'm really talking about RR specifically anymore, because I don't know RR. I am just giving my outlook. I just have no patience for cute anti-town nonsense, whether it's to cultivate an unpredictable meta or whatever else.

[gkrieg13]

As in, I definitely believe that I get a better read on people by asking questions.

[J Reggie]

The problem with specifically lynching anti-town is it's such a good excuse for scum. And a scum jumping on one of those wagons is nearly identical to a town jumping on one. So it doesn't matter if the anti-town player was scum or not, we get nothing alignment-indicative from the interactions.

I get it. It just doesn't concern me as much as the prospect of keeping an anti-town player around for that reason. They never get night-killed, they get pseudo lynch immunity for the reasons you're giving, and they're still alive in the endgame when you need strong town players.

I'm not even sure I'm really talking about RR specifically anymore, because I don't know RR. I am just giving my outlook. I just have no patience for cute anti-town nonsense, whether it's to cultivate an unpredictable meta or whatever else.

I was talking mainly about D1. Also with RR specifically, lynching him D1 is almost never useful. He's pretty easy to spot as scum later on.

[sudgy]

I finally caught up!  (during my chemistry class, hope that won't bite me in the butt)

Anyway, Vote: The_Wine_Merchant.  I don't like some of his setup speculation at the beginning.  I feel like he was trying to breadcrumb too much in it all (for possible fakeclaims in the future), and I feel like he's been reacting to the votes in a scummy way.  It feels like scum feeling caught for the wrong reasons.

[faust]

I like O

same tbh



this banter is all for the subpurpose of getting my posting volume up so i can secretly scummily lurk for the next few days and have a nice and inflated postcount.

No one makes postcounts these days

I do.

Everyone else is scared of them because they make them look bad.

[faust]

I like O

same tbh



this banter is all for the subpurpose of getting my posting volume up so i can secretly scummily lurk for the next few days and have a nice and inflated postcount.

Oh don't worry we rarely do those anymore

They were one of my favorite things to do back when I first started playing.  Until I realized you can't actually figure out who is scum/town based on a post count.

Now, but they're pretty good to figure out who to blame if town loses.

[iguanaiguana]

Fully rereading now.

oops disconnected and botched reply.

Reply: In my opinion, massclaim = bad. But the discussion might overall be protown independently, and is definitely not just RVS discussion which is inherently nice.

is my opinion too. And I like O.

[iguanaiguana]

Now I read this:

oops disconnected and botched reply.

Reply: In my opinion, massclaim = bad. But the discussion might overall be protown independently, and is definitely not just RVS discussion which is inherently nice.

This O guy might not be town, but he probably is. But he is basically thinking all the things I am! So I like him!

Lol

[faust]

gkrieg, what do you think about pps as SK?

Classic Reggie.

Vote: J Reggie

[faust]

I was happy with the cuzz' vote on me, it's exactly like the vote I make on other people super early in games. It was a non rvs vote and we are well in the swing of thing with legitimate interactions going on. I give cuzz town points for it even though he voted for a townie.

This is such a weird post.

I should probably not attempt to read mcmc.

[pingpongsam]

I'm immediately suspicious of those who are all like, "I'm totally down with lynching so and so today", as if we have progressed far enough to feel real good about them being scum or, better yet, that flipping them will corner scum.

Unfortunately, that's a wide pool of laziness so I can't draw any meaningful conclusions from it.

Now, for Andrew, please tell me, in your own words, why you think I should think you are town this game and not badass scum coming to getcha like every other game in recent memory?

[iguanaiguana]

We could claim our flavor names.

Iguana Iguana

[faust]

I want to tunnel Gkrieg as he's been seemingly the hardest hunting early on, which i think is a scumread.

It's a good point, especially for gkrieg. He usually takes a while to get going as town.

[faust]

to make my point more clearly:

vote:LaLight


reasoning:

we have no Innocent child. Investigation Immune and 2-shot Vig are both higher utility for the Scumteam than the town. LaLight is the most likely in my eyes to have the #1 draft slot and claim the #1 role, having read every mafia game. 

I'm fully open to arguments that we shouldn't be lynching a likely vig, that LaLight doesn't understand you all very well, or just general scumminess arguments later on.

O is scummy for this though.

[faust]

I always find massclaims to be anti-fun but should probably think a little harder about whether it might actually be optimal for town. D1 scum might not have had too much of a chance to coordinate ideal fakeclaims, especially with a setup this complicated.

Massclaim talk is generally scummy because it's just thread clutter; everyone knows it's never going to happen.

[Eevee]

gkrieg is making sense, and being helpful.

I don't like lynching TWM.

How am I being helpful?

Don't worry, you aren't, at all.

By talking some sense in this crazy, crazy world.

[faust]

Good God people. You don't need to take a stand on whether we are going to mass claim. We aren't. You don't need to chime in on it. What we should talk about is what other roles out there might be worth claiming in isolation now or later and how we can best use them to our advantage. Or maybe we shouldn't talk about that. But we can at least talk about talking about it.

Seriously no one has ever suggested mass claiming (except PPS I guess off-offhandedly) so it shouldn't warrant dozens of posts about it and no one should be getting towncred for being against it.

This guy gets it. +1 and town points.

[iguanaiguana]

I don't think I'm gonna read all this. I also think that posting a whole bunch is very scummy.

Roadrunner just says this because he's lazy and he came into this game and was disappointed that he wasn't the person with the most junk posts. It's a "If I can't be a superhero, no one can" mentality. Not a scum mentality.

[faust]

We could claim our flavor names.

Vote: J Reggie

This is funny because Jake once messed up a flavor claim pretty badly.

[faust]

Innocent Child? We don't appear to have one? How worried should we be about mafia with a 2-shot vig?

vote: twm

Now that's just lazy.