Mcmc -> Eevee
Here he disagrees with Eevee gently.
I'm kind of surprised people aren't taking any positions on ashersky's thing. Less sure I'm right myself with this many others seeing it differently. Ash, was this the reaction you anticipated you'd get?
I saw it and read some of the surrounding posts, it just seems like a really ash thing to do. The one thing I thought is if ash is town and not the ub he definitely made the ub sweat a little bit because of even bringing it up. This favors scum slightly because they can gauge people's reaction to try and guess who the real ub is. So overall I think slight edge toward that post helping scum but then there's the why would ash want to be in the spotlight if he is scum blah blah blah. So pretty neutral, as I said a very ash thing to do.
Reread IDPTG, he didn't seem overly scummy to me. I doubt he'd be the biggest lurker, and the posts actually seem pretty full of content for their size and quantity, he's been commenting on multiple issues and we really haven't had much happening yet.
This is what I thought whic is why I wanted ww to answer my question of why he is voting for idp.
Dylan was indeed a very fast reread. As far as I can tell, of his 11 posts, only this has been relevant to the game:
So far, I don't really think there has been anything that scummy from anyone. I could definitely see a possible scum narrative for Ash, but I just don't think it is as likely as him being town. Mcmc's concern, whether accurate or not, seems townie. schadd seems like schadd, so at least we know noone has kidnapped him and taken his place.
which looks like a fine post, although the expressed opinions seem to be on the safer side. Not that I have any scathingly hot takes myself, it is still early. We only have 4 days until the deadline though, so it would be good to get something happening soon. Is it just me or have we gone to the day of the deadline with almost no serious wagons pretty often in the near history, especially day 1?
Hey eevee wanna let the people I ask questions answer them and then react to those answers with your own instead of jumping the gun...that being said I agree with your analysis that Dylan's post was very safe.
Yea eevee I think your worrying is valid and townie but also non-helpful. Just start interrogating people and then following up with an analysis of their answers and a reasoning for your interrogation, even if that reason is I wanted that player to post something.
i would like to lynch eevee
I think I get why but I'm curious for you to elaborate, I actually have eevee as towny currently.
Want to lynch: ash, witherweaver, pps
Could be convinced: Joseph, dylan
Don't want to lynch based on my ability to read later: robz, TWM
Townie: eevee, idp, schadd, Andrew
town: andrew, robz, pps, ww, milk macaroon
dunno: twm, ask her sky, joseph, d32
want to lynch: idptg
want three lynch: eevee
Oh boy, milk macaroon may be my new favorite nickname. Also I still dunno what you see in eevee though he is a little quiet. I feel like I want eevee to be town and it is hindering my ability to read him though idk, maybe I am just viewing him as towny and then I'm being overconcerned with it being a read because I like him.
Want to lynch: ash, witherweaver, pps
Could be convinced: Joseph, dylan
Don't want to lynch based on my ability to read later: robz, TWM
Townie: eevee, idp, schadd, Andrew
Evolution of reads
Want to lynch: ash, Joseph, dylan
Could be convinced: pps, idp, witherweaver
Wish I didn't like you people so darn much be more alignment indicative: robz, eevee
Townie: twm, schadd, Andrew
Want to lynch: ash, witherweaver, pps
Could be convinced: Joseph, dylan
Don't want to lynch based on my ability to read later: robz, TWM
Townie: eevee, idp, schadd, Andrew
Evolution of reads
Want to lynch: ash, Joseph, dylan
Could be convinced: pps, idp, witherweaver
Wish I didn't like you people so darn much be more alignment indicative: robz, eevee
Townie: twm, schadd, Andrew
Revolution of reads
Got lynched: Joseph (wagon) mcmcsalot, Witherweaver, Robz888, schadd, Eevee, AndrewisFTTW, pingpongsam
Scummy scum(off wagon): ash, dylan, idp
Keeping an eye on you killers(on wagon): eevee, pps, robz, witherweaver
Do more: TWM
Townie: schadd, Andrew
Witherweaver fos'd eevee pretty quickly, could be on wagon scum going after a townie quickly. I would bet this lynch has more townie on it because of how fast it went.
Probably the main reason I have suspicions of pps is because I remember in my scum games recently, me/jake/lalight had to all be on wagon for awhiiiile, we kept thinking we would have scum off wagon but the wagons would stall for so long we would all have to jump on eventually. This feels like townies honestly likeing this lynch.
Vote: Joseph
Reread him, I could definitely see a scum narrative in his voting history (first voted for ashersky, when the tide turned against lynching ash, changed his position to "town because of his antics). Nothing really struck to me as towny in his posting either, hard to put a finger on it but I don't get the impression he is trying to figure things out, more that he wants a lynch through that isn't him. This claim question strengthens that impression, I think town is more concerned with concealing their role because it's better for town regardless of your role, whereas scum might be more anxious to claim because they think it might help get them out of hot water. Basically, for town one can think "well, if I die, it might actually help us win if it happens in the right way", whereas scum MUST avoid getting lynched day 1, because if they go down their team is in very big trouble.
L-2, if I do my math right.
This is eevee's vote that either didn't like, it is posted 2 hours after a vote count and before the vote count eevee said he was going to reread andrew(which witherweaver asked for opinions on)
Woah lots of stuff happened. I don't like the hammer from pps with zero announcement. I guess I don't find it overly scummy but I don't like it.
Is there any way Joseph is Lying so I don't have to figure out the setup implications of what is going on and we just hit scum?
Joseph is IC, no way around it.
Slight scum points for mcmc for trying to suggest Joseph is not an IC. I don't think this applies to such an experienced player like mcmc, but in general I think it's scum's first instinct to try to discredit any IC that is arising.
You do know Joseph could still be lying. So eevee also didn't read the setup lol
Eevee's reply to that a number of posts down: "Guilty." (Didn't feel like wasting space to actually post quote.)
Or maybe Calamitas isn't in this game.
Yea he's not, TWM is though and he's kinda a people person version of cal
I have absolutely zero recollection of TWM making any posts that aren't "sorry, still busy, I'll get to it". I guess he has been busy still, then?
Yea, this was okay when he was my scumpartner lurking and not getting called out. He pretty much missed an entire day which is bad.
i also feel that feeling
vote: eevee
I feel Vote: Eevee is the right thing to do.
Why and why?
This is the first time I think mcmc mentions Eevee's buddying.
Yea I think the big bummer in this game is that after what was pretty much a complete reread of the days major wagons and how they formed, I feel like I have solid town reads on robz/schadd/ww they have me pegged as town which is correct, they pegged ash correctly as town, their votes for the dead townie Joseph all make sense. I then have decent narratives for pps, eevee, and Andrew which I could see going either way, town or scum and then I have TWM, idp, and dylan which are all so null due to how little they posted it's impossible to figure out which way to tilt the narratives for pps/andrew/eevee.
It's like pps/andrew/idp could very easily be the scum team. Idp is lurky off wagon, pps and Andrew were pushing for the lynch of an active townie, didn't overly discourage people from moving to ashersky, and finally left all prior reads and hammered townie!joseph. That's one narrative that makes good sense and I could see being true.
The issue being twm/dylan/eevee could also be the scum team with eevee buddying me much the way I buddied faust recently, get an active townie to push lynches for you, didn't come to much bigger conclusions than anyone else, and have his scum partners just lurk the entire day away.
Now being forced to pick between these types of narratives(these aren't the only two teams just examples) I absolutely don't want to punish active town andrew and pps for having slightly different opinions than me, especially because mine were wrong about Joseph in the first place. I would much rather lose to pps and andrew because twm and Dylan and idp just lurked way to hard as town. If that makes sense.
So sorry schadd and witherweaver, zero of my eevee scum alarms are ringing, his defense is exactly what I would have said.
Twm on the other hand is increasingly unhelpful which I find interesting.
Eevee was the primary mover from the mcmc wagon to the Joseph wagon yesterday. I'm not sure what everyone else is considering him for but that is the most solid piece of evidence.
Eevee wasn't the primary mover at all. Eevee was never on my wagon, he was on joesph as an Rvs vote, eevee always townread me and then after a vote count he unvoted his Rvs vote, reread Joseph and then put him to l-2 with yes by the best explaination in the world but robz/ww/schadd all jumped quickly on the wagon with no explaination so I can't see how eevee's vote for Joseph is any scummier than the rest of our votes.
Ok. So there are pretty much all the interactions between Mcmc and Eevee. I do have to admit I did notice Mcmc acting more like schadd's buddy that acting like Eevee's, but there was only one moment where it seemed like you were skeptical of Eevee at all. Thanks for making me do this, because it at least confirmed my instinct that there was at least some buddying going on involving you too.
I may vote dylan. schadd and I have been way more buddy buddy than eevee and I. Also the conclusions dylan made are that if I am town, he wants to lynch andrew or pps which is basically what I had said about how andrew and pps moved from me to Joseph scummily. He makes no conclusion about what me being town says about eevee. Then he says if I'm scum eevee is certainly scum, which I don't know how he has gotten to. Then he ends with a scummy if we're going to look off wagon twm is the scummy one but doesn't give any reasons whatso ever as to why.
All he is doing is setting up people he wants to lynch with almost no reasons other than mcmc and eevee are buddying eachother.
Also I want to clarify I really think his explaination for why andrew and pps are people he would look to if I were town is indicative of him being scum. After a complete reread it's a really general reasoning that is setting up where he can pivot when I flip town. He's not even thinking about what eevee flipping town would mean which is wierd since it's an eevee/me interaction not just me. It's just very "I've made one read I'm basing all my other reads on so I can change them" I do this as scum lots.
If you are town, then Andrew and PPS were the two scummiest people in the way they moved off your wagon. I don't care if you said that, because if you are town, then I would have more reason to agree with you anyway.
If you are town, I still think Eevee's buddying would look scummy, but not quite as much as it would if you are also scum. I don't know why any town would ever buddy anyone unless they had a confirmed result that proved to them that the person was town, so I see buddying and I automatically think the person is scummy.
"All he is doing..." I gave reads and thoughts on why those were my scum reads. So is posting a reads list and including several scummy people on it just setting up people you want to lynch? That's kind of the point of posting reads, is so people know who you are looking at as potential lynches.
And the last paragraph was just wrong. You mean to tell me that when you are town and you have a read that you are pretty confident in and roughly a half dozen others that you are meh about, and those weak reads have interacted in various ways with your strong read such that some look more like partners and others look likely to be opposite aligned, that your reads on the other people wouldn't change depending on the actual alignment of that strong read? Yeah right.
Anyway, if Eevee flips town, then I just completely misread him, but it wouldn't affect my other reads too much except to remove the partner narrative that I saw.
Andrew, your question about me mentioning 3 conftowns. I was referring to both dead townies who ended on Mcmc's wagon and myself. And my gut says of you and PPS, you would be scummier, but I would definitely need a reread before actually lynching. That was just my gut reactions after reading the whole game through once.
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