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Re: M90: Literature Mafia (Day 4)
« Reply #1350 on: January 06, 2017, 07:59:28 pm »

I really think we should no-lynch here now!
vote: no lynch

They will block and kill me, you lynch Space tomorrow... that doesn't seem like an improvement.

Isn't space confirmed scum to you?

Yes, that's why I'm voting for her.

Oh I misread, I thought it said they (scum) would kill you and then lynch Space tomorrow.
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Re: M90: Literature Mafia (Day 4)
« Reply #1351 on: January 06, 2017, 08:00:06 pm »

Wait, Unvote, could there be two?

Two vigs? Nope, not possible in conjunction with an RS and a JK.

Also, what motivation would you as vig have to come into D3 proposing a massclaim when the overwhelming likelihood is that there are no other PRs out there and still three scums?

BBKKV leaves one more letter. There were several categories, we could have had one more letter there, another PR, and then that person would be an IC.
No, since a T was possible as well.
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Re: M90: Literature Mafia (Day 4)
« Reply #1352 on: January 06, 2017, 08:02:45 pm »

Wait, Unvote, could there be two?

Two vigs? Nope, not possible in conjunction with an RS and a JK.

Also, what motivation would you as vig have to come into D3 proposing a massclaim when the overwhelming likelihood is that there are no other PRs out there and still three scums?

BBKKV leaves one more letter. There were several categories, we could have had one more letter there, another PR, and then that person would be an IC.
No, since a T was possible as well.

Yes, that's what I'm saying, a Tracker for instance was possible and would have been IC.
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Re: M90: Literature Mafia (Day 4)
« Reply #1353 on: January 06, 2017, 08:05:24 pm »

Wait, Unvote, could there be two?

Two vigs? Nope, not possible in conjunction with an RS and a JK.

Also, what motivation would you as vig have to come into D3 proposing a massclaim when the overwhelming likelihood is that there are no other PRs out there and still three scums?

BBKKV leaves one more letter. There were several categories, we could have had one more letter there, another PR, and then that person would be an IC.
No, since a T was possible as well.

Yes, that's what I'm saying, a Tracker for instance was possible and would have been IC.
No, they wouldn't due to the possibility of a T roll.
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Re: M90: Literature Mafia (Day 4)
« Reply #1354 on: January 06, 2017, 08:09:41 pm »

Wait, Unvote, could there be two?

Two vigs? Nope, not possible in conjunction with an RS and a JK.

Also, what motivation would you as vig have to come into D3 proposing a massclaim when the overwhelming likelihood is that there are no other PRs out there and still three scums?

BBKKV leaves one more letter. There were several categories, we could have had one more letter there, another PR, and then that person would be an IC.
No, since a T was possible as well.

Yes, that's what I'm saying, a Tracker for instance was possible and would have been IC.
No, they wouldn't due to the possibility of a T roll.

Oh I get it now. I am NOT a setup person. You're right, I was wrong, we shouldn't have massclaimed. Why did you back up my faulty analysis?
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Re: M90: Literature Mafia (Day 4)
« Reply #1355 on: January 06, 2017, 08:13:25 pm »

Wait, wasn't Eevee still alive and a claimed Tracker at the beginning of Day 3?
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Re: M90: Literature Mafia (Day 4)
« Reply #1356 on: January 06, 2017, 08:13:57 pm »

Wait, Unvote, could there be two?

Two vigs? Nope, not possible in conjunction with an RS and a JK.

Also, what motivation would you as vig have to come into D3 proposing a massclaim when the overwhelming likelihood is that there are no other PRs out there and still three scums?

BBKKV leaves one more letter. There were several categories, we could have had one more letter there, another PR, and then that person would be an IC.
No, since a T was possible as well.

Yes, that's what I'm saying, a Tracker for instance was possible and would have been IC.
No, they wouldn't due to the possibility of a T roll.

Oh I get it now. I am NOT a setup person. You're right, I was wrong, we shouldn't have massclaimed. Why did you back up my faulty analysis?
It couldn't do any harm (scum was going to block the vig) and having all info out does only help going into the end.
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Re: M90: Literature Mafia (Day 4)
« Reply #1357 on: January 06, 2017, 08:16:35 pm »

Wait, wasn't Eevee still alive and a claimed Tracker at the beginning of Day 3?

Yeah, what does that matter?
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Re: M90: Literature Mafia (Day 4)
« Reply #1358 on: January 06, 2017, 08:18:20 pm »

Yeah, no lynch is bad. 

Space, why did you shoot Teamlyle?

I believed that it might be advantageous to have the scenarios Calamitas was pushing for later on, and it was a way of signalling to town that there was a vig in the game without doing so in a way that would give me away personally, since I was rather keen at remaining anonymous. Normally, I'd have had to vig someone I thought was definite scum, or it would be foolish to pick townies off. Teamlyle gave me the opportunity to signal there was a vig, but not to do so in a way that meant that scum could look at the person who died and see who was scumreading them in order to trace back to the vig. I was really very frustrated with the lack of scum-hunting in D1, though, so part of it was just to shut Calamitas up, really. And also, I was townreading Robz pretty heavily in D1, and he'd suggested it. And as for why I wanted to signal to town that there was a vig in play, I've never played as a vig, and I've never even lived past N1 as a town PR before, so I'd been hoping for more help from town to work out how to play it. You'll notice that mostly the only person who's been talking about what the vig should do has been Robz, though. Other than JR saying I shouldn't have shot teamlyle, that is... He might have been right, and the UB thing was actually careless play on my part -- I should at least have checked in my QT first that the rules were what I assumed (that UB would just take on the second role if RS was the first to die), and it wasn't till I'd asked in-thread in D2 that I realised my mistake. However, I worked out that the chance of there having been a UB in the game at all was reasonably low given that I knew I was vig, and that was info that the rest of the game didn't have till after the two N1 kills became apparent.
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Re: M90: Literature Mafia (Day 4)
« Reply #1359 on: January 06, 2017, 08:18:52 pm »

Wait, wasn't Eevee still alive and a claimed Tracker at the beginning of Day 3?

Yeah, what does that matter?

Because you would have known that any PR claim would mean scum between Eevee and whomever claimed.  But you didn't mention that in your reasoning for proposing massclaim.
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Re: M90: Literature Mafia (Day 4)
« Reply #1360 on: January 06, 2017, 08:20:37 pm »

Wait, wasn't Eevee still alive and a claimed Tracker at the beginning of Day 3?

Yeah, what does that matter?

You were pushing for us to believe Eevee's claim, and yet also suggesting a mass claim. If Eevee was being truthful, there could absolutely not have been any other roles left to find.
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Re: M90: Literature Mafia (Day 4)
« Reply #1361 on: January 06, 2017, 08:22:10 pm »

Wait, wasn't Eevee still alive and a claimed Tracker at the beginning of Day 3?

Yeah, what does that matter?

Because you would have known that any PR claim would mean scum between Eevee and whomever claimed.  But you didn't mention that in your reasoning for proposing massclaim.

When I proposed massclaim yesterday? Well yes, but if I had mentioned that, I would have outed myself as a PR before we agreed to massclaim.
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Re: M90: Literature Mafia (Day 4)
« Reply #1362 on: January 06, 2017, 08:22:50 pm »

Wait, wasn't Eevee still alive and a claimed Tracker at the beginning of Day 3?

Yeah, what does that matter?

Because you would have known that any PR claim would mean scum between Eevee and whomever claimed.  But you didn't mention that in your reasoning for proposing massclaim.

When I proposed massclaim yesterday? Well yes, but if I had mentioned that, I would have outed myself as a PR before we agreed to massclaim.

No, when you explained why you proposed it five minutes ago.
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Re: M90: Literature Mafia (Day 4)
« Reply #1363 on: January 06, 2017, 08:23:21 pm »

Wait, wasn't Eevee still alive and a claimed Tracker at the beginning of Day 3?

Yeah, what does that matter?

You were pushing for us to believe Eevee's claim, and yet also suggesting a mass claim. If Eevee was being truthful, there could absolutely not have been any other roles left to find.

But that would not have been a reason not to massclaim.
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Re: M90: Literature Mafia (Day 4)
« Reply #1364 on: January 06, 2017, 08:24:12 pm »

Wait, wasn't Eevee still alive and a claimed Tracker at the beginning of Day 3?

Yeah, what does that matter?

Because you would have known that any PR claim would mean scum between Eevee and whomever claimed.  But you didn't mention that in your reasoning for proposing massclaim.

When I proposed massclaim yesterday? Well yes, but if I had mentioned that, I would have outed myself as a PR before we agreed to massclaim.

No, when you explained why you proposed it five minutes ago.

When I proposed it five minutes ago, Eevee was dead. I honestly dont understand what you are saying. Eevee's claim was irrelevant today, yesterday it wasn't a reason not to massclaim.
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Re: M90: Literature Mafia (Day 4)
« Reply #1365 on: January 06, 2017, 08:26:36 pm »

Wait, Unvote, could there be two?

Two vigs? Nope, not possible in conjunction with an RS and a JK.

Also, what motivation would you as vig have to come into D3 proposing a massclaim when the overwhelming likelihood is that there are no other PRs out there and still three scums?

BBKKV leaves one more letter. There were several categories, we could have had one more letter there, another PR, and then that person would be an IC.

You were explaining here your motivation for coming into D3 proposing a massclaim.  An upshot of the massclaim is that BBKKV{I} had been claimed so far, so any other PR claim means lie or Eevee lied.

Though I just realized, V was public knowledge there, so your perspective would not have been different than anyone else's. 
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Re: M90: Literature Mafia (Day 4)
« Reply #1366 on: January 06, 2017, 08:27:20 pm »

And so actually I don't understand Calamitas' point.
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Re: M90: Literature Mafia (Day 4)
« Reply #1367 on: January 06, 2017, 08:27:57 pm »

Eevee' flip meant eevee lied, we are positive that eeve lied.
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Re: M90: Literature Mafia (Day 4)
« Reply #1368 on: January 06, 2017, 08:29:25 pm »

Eevee' flip meant eevee lied, we are positive that eeve lied.

We are talking about the beginning of D3.
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Re: M90: Literature Mafia (Day 4)
« Reply #1369 on: January 06, 2017, 08:30:51 pm »

Eevee' flip meant eevee lied, we are positive that eeve lied.

We are talking about the beginning of D3.
But the massclaim was today. I seriously don't understand your point at any level.
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Re: M90: Literature Mafia (Day 4)
« Reply #1370 on: January 06, 2017, 08:31:56 pm »

Wait, Unvote, could there be two?

Two vigs? Nope, not possible in conjunction with an RS and a JK.

Also, what motivation would you as vig have to come into D3 proposing a massclaim when the overwhelming likelihood is that there are no other PRs out there and still three scums?

BBKKV leaves one more letter. There were several categories, we could have had one more letter there, another PR, and then that person would be an IC.

You were explaining here your motivation for coming into D3 proposing a massclaim.  An upshot of the massclaim is that BBKKV{I} had been claimed so far, so any other PR claim means lie or Eevee lied.

Though I just realized, V was public knowledge there, so your perspective would not have been different than anyone else's.

OOPS I misread, I thought Space was referring to my D4 massclaim proposal, because that's what just happened Sorry, reading too quickly.

I suggested massclaiming Day 3 because we could solve the setup, and yes, any other PR claims would narrow it down to that person or Eevee. I had same info as everyone else, I just knew who the Vig was (me).

Sorry to make this confusing, I thought Space was talking about today, not yesterdya.
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Re: M90: Literature Mafia (Day 4)
« Reply #1371 on: January 06, 2017, 08:33:01 pm »

Eevee' flip meant eevee lied, we are positive that eeve lied.

We are talking about the beginning of D3.
But the massclaim was today. I seriously don't understand your point at any level.

I get it, it got confused because Space brought up that I suggested massclaim on Day 3, I thought she was talking about the massclaim I just suggested today, and then WW got confused, and bleh.

But it wasn't weird for me to suggest it yesterday, as Space implied.
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Re: M90: Literature Mafia (Day 4)
« Reply #1372 on: January 06, 2017, 08:33:32 pm »

Have to go for now, BTW
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Re: M90: Literature Mafia (Day 4)
« Reply #1373 on: January 06, 2017, 08:33:46 pm »

By the way, we really want to no-lynch here.
Currently, public knowledge is that {Space, robz} contains exactly one scum and {WW, mcm, Calamitas} contains exactly one scum. By no lynching, we force scum to reduce one of those pools without giving up any lynches we have. This is clearly the best option here.
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Re: M90: Literature Mafia (Day 4)
« Reply #1374 on: January 06, 2017, 08:34:09 pm »

Sorry, it was Space's point, not Calamitas:

Wait, Unvote, could there be two?

Two vigs? Nope, not possible in conjunction with an RS and a JK.

Also, what motivation would you as vig have to come into D3 proposing a massclaim when the overwhelming likelihood is that there are no other PRs out there and still three scums?
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