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Re: New Promo Card
« Reply #50 on: September 24, 2016, 11:19:55 am »
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Probably pretty important, but not as important as Urchin/Urchin.

I kind of don't like this one because you get strong draw and trashing together, which makes for a fairly unskippable pile. It doesn't make a deck on its own though, so it's not that different from other strong piles.

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Re: New Promo Card
« Reply #51 on: September 24, 2016, 12:27:01 pm »
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I wonder how swingy of an opening Sauna/Silver will be. Like how much will it matter if they collide or not early on?
If they don't colide it's like you opened silver/ nothing which is pretty bad.
I would open silver/silver get a 5er and a suana next and then have a good deck.
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Re: New Promo Card
« Reply #52 on: September 24, 2016, 12:38:27 pm »
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I wonder how swingy of an opening Sauna/Silver will be. Like how much will it matter if they collide or not early on?
If they don't colide it's like you opened silver/ nothing which is pretty bad.
I would open silver/silver get a 5er and a suana next and then have a good deck.

I might open Sauna/Amulet or Sauna/Squire.
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Re: New Promo Card
« Reply #53 on: September 24, 2016, 02:39:53 pm »
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Can we, uhm, get the official FAQ for Sauna/Avanto?
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Re: New Promo Card
« Reply #54 on: September 24, 2016, 03:08:12 pm »
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Can we, uhm, get the official FAQ for Sauna/Avanto?

Will Sauna/Avanto ship with a FAQ, or will one be provided later, like with Summon?
I haven't written a FAQ
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Re: New Promo Card
« Reply #55 on: September 24, 2016, 03:26:53 pm »
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Can we, uhm, get the official FAQ for Sauna/Avanto?
Is there a question you want answered?
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Re: New Promo Card
« Reply #56 on: September 24, 2016, 03:30:05 pm »
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I wonder how swingy of an opening Sauna/Silver will be. Like how much will it matter if they collide or not early on?
If they don't colide it's like you opened silver/ nothing which is pretty bad.
I would open silver/silver get a 5er and a suana next and then have a good deck.

I might open Sauna/Amulet or Sauna/Squire.
What will suana do first shuffle?
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Re: New Promo Card
« Reply #57 on: September 24, 2016, 04:21:37 pm »
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Can we, uhm, get the official FAQ for Sauna/Avanto?
Is there a question you want answered?

Well, I see the FAQ as mostly just covering questions a player not as versed in Dominion arcana as we are might have.  So they might wonder if they could play the Avanto for free later in their turn if they already played a Sauna, rather than just right away.  Or if you Crown a Silver, if that means you can trash two things with Sauna.  Or if they'll have extra Actions after chaining Sauna-Avanto-Sauna-Avanto-Sauna.
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Re: New Promo Card
« Reply #58 on: September 24, 2016, 04:25:31 pm »
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Can we, uhm, get the official FAQ for Sauna/Avanto?
Is there a question you want answered?

Well, I see the FAQ as mostly just covering questions a player not as versed in Dominion arcana as we are might have.  So they might wonder if they could play the Avanto for free later in their turn if they already played a Sauna, rather than just right away.  Or if you Crown a Silver, if that means you can trash two things with Sauna.  Or if they'll have extra Actions after chaining Sauna-Avanto-Sauna-Avanto-Sauna.

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Re: New Promo Card
« Reply #59 on: September 24, 2016, 05:53:50 pm »
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Can we, uhm, get the official FAQ for Sauna/Avanto?
Is there a question you want answered?

Well, I see the FAQ as mostly just covering questions a player not as versed in Dominion arcana as we are might have.  So they might wonder if they could play the Avanto for free later in their turn if they already played a Sauna, rather than just right away.  Or if you Crown a Silver, if that means you can trash two things with Sauna.  Or if they'll have extra Actions after chaining Sauna-Avanto-Sauna-Avanto-Sauna.

This.

"When you play Sauna, you first draw a card and get +1 Action. You may then immediately play an Avanto from your hand. This does not take up one of your actions, including the action provided by Sauna. You can only play an Avanto this way directly after playing the Sauna, not if you played another action card inbetween, even if you have a Sauna in play.

When you play Avanto, you first draw 3 cards. You may then immeditately play a Sauna from your hand. This does not take up any of your actions, and Sauna will still give you +1 Action if you play it this way. You can only play a Sauna this way directly after playing the Avanto, not if you played another action card inbetween, even if you have an Avanto in play.

You can play Sauna and Avanto in alteration this way, taking up only the action for the first of the cards you play. You can do this until you don't have the respective card in hand after playing the other. When you play a Sauna, you can not immediately play a Sauna from your hand without using up one action. The same goes for playing Avanto after Avanto.

While Sauna is in play, you can trash a card from your hand anytime you play a Silver. If you play the same Silver several times, such as with Counterfeit (Dominion - Dark Ages) or Crown (Dominion - Empires) you may trash a card each time you play the Silver. You do not have to trash anything when you play a Silver. You can decide to trash a card every time you play a Silver, you do not have to decide once for the entire turn. When Sauna leaves play, such as being trashed with Procession (Dominion - Dark Ages), you can not use its effect anymore. When you have several Saunas in play and play a Silver, you can trash a card from your hand for every Sauna you have in play. You can still decide to not trash a card each time."

Wow, this turned out long. We need professional FAQ-writers...
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Re: New Promo Card
« Reply #60 on: September 29, 2016, 10:37:44 am »
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Can we, uhm, get the official FAQ for Sauna/Avanto?
Is there a question you want answered?

Well, I see the FAQ as mostly just covering questions a player not as versed in Dominion arcana as we are might have.  So they might wonder if they could play the Avanto for free later in their turn if they already played a Sauna, rather than just right away.  Or if you Crown a Silver, if that means you can trash two things with Sauna.  Or if they'll have extra Actions after chaining Sauna-Avanto-Sauna-Avanto-Sauna.

This.

"When you play Sauna, you first draw a card and get +1 Action. You may then immediately play an Avanto from your hand. This does not take up one of your actions, including the action provided by Sauna. You can only play an Avanto this way directly after playing the Sauna, not if you played another action card inbetween, even if you have a Sauna in play.

When you play Avanto, you first draw 3 cards. You may then immeditately play a Sauna from your hand. This does not take up any of your actions, and Sauna will still give you +1 Action if you play it this way. You can only play a Sauna this way directly after playing the Avanto, not if you played another action card inbetween, even if you have an Avanto in play.

You can play Sauna and Avanto in alteration this way, taking up only the action for the first of the cards you play. You can do this until you don't have the respective card in hand after playing the other. When you play a Sauna, you can not immediately play a Sauna from your hand without using up one action. The same goes for playing Avanto after Avanto.

While Sauna is in play, you can trash a card from your hand anytime you play a Silver. If you play the same Silver several times, such as with Counterfeit (Dominion - Dark Ages) or Crown (Dominion - Empires) you may trash a card each time you play the Silver. You do not have to trash anything when you play a Silver. You can decide to trash a card every time you play a Silver, you do not have to decide once for the entire turn. When Sauna leaves play, such as being trashed with Procession (Dominion - Dark Ages), you can not use its effect anymore. When you have several Saunas in play and play a Silver, you can trash a card from your hand for every Sauna you have in play. You can still decide to not trash a card each time."

Wow, this turned out long. We need professional FAQ-writers...

Shorter:

"When you play a card, follow each of the instructions on the card, literally, in the order they are written in."
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Re: New Promo Card
« Reply #61 on: September 29, 2016, 10:40:46 am »
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I almost wonder if split piles like this would be cooler with 12 cards instead of 10. Someone having 3 and another having 2 doesn't seem all that useful. It's like the Fool's Gold effect: if everyone goes for it, it sucks. But if no one goes for it, it could be a really nice form of draw.
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Re: New Promo Card
« Reply #62 on: September 29, 2016, 12:12:23 pm »
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Can we, uhm, get the official FAQ for Sauna/Avanto?
Is there a question you want answered?

Well, I see the FAQ as mostly just covering questions a player not as versed in Dominion arcana as we are might have.  So they might wonder if they could play the Avanto for free later in their turn if they already played a Sauna, rather than just right away.  Or if you Crown a Silver, if that means you can trash two things with Sauna.  Or if they'll have extra Actions after chaining Sauna-Avanto-Sauna-Avanto-Sauna.

This.

"When you play Sauna, you first draw a card and get +1 Action. You may then immediately play an Avanto from your hand. This does not take up one of your actions, including the action provided by Sauna. You can only play an Avanto this way directly after playing the Sauna, not if you played another action card inbetween, even if you have a Sauna in play.

When you play Avanto, you first draw 3 cards. You may then immeditately play a Sauna from your hand. This does not take up any of your actions, and Sauna will still give you +1 Action if you play it this way. You can only play a Sauna this way directly after playing the Avanto, not if you played another action card inbetween, even if you have an Avanto in play.

You can play Sauna and Avanto in alteration this way, taking up only the action for the first of the cards you play. You can do this until you don't have the respective card in hand after playing the other. When you play a Sauna, you can not immediately play a Sauna from your hand without using up one action. The same goes for playing Avanto after Avanto.

While Sauna is in play, you can trash a card from your hand anytime you play a Silver. If you play the same Silver several times, such as with Counterfeit (Dominion - Dark Ages) or Crown (Dominion - Empires) you may trash a card each time you play the Silver. You do not have to trash anything when you play a Silver. You can decide to trash a card every time you play a Silver, you do not have to decide once for the entire turn. When Sauna leaves play, such as being trashed with Procession (Dominion - Dark Ages), you can not use its effect anymore. When you have several Saunas in play and play a Silver, you can trash a card from your hand for every Sauna you have in play. You can still decide to not trash a card each time."

Wow, this turned out long. We need professional FAQ-writers...

Shorter:

"When you play a card, follow each of the instructions on the card, literally, in the order they are written in."

That's a one sentence FAQ for every card ever made. The FAQ is for people who don't grasp that concept fully. Everyone who does grasp it, usually doesn't need the FAQ.
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Re: New Promo Card
« Reply #63 on: September 29, 2016, 12:13:16 pm »
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That's a one sentence FAQ for every card ever made. The FAQ is for people who don't grasp that concept fully. Everyone who does grasp it, usually doesn't need the FAQ.

It's a FAQ-22
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Re: New Promo Card
« Reply #64 on: September 29, 2016, 02:38:35 pm »
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That's a one sentence FAQ for every card ever made. The FAQ is for people who don't grasp that concept fully. Everyone who does grasp it, usually doesn't need the FAQ.

It's a FAQ-22

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Re: New Promo Card
« Reply #65 on: October 01, 2016, 08:45:07 pm »
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This will get interesting with Throne Rooms.

Play Throne Room to play Sauna
-draw Avanto and play Avanto
--draw Sauna and 2 more cards and play Sauna
---draw a card and play Avanto
----draw 3 cards
-draw a Sauna and play Avanto
--draw 3 cards and play Sauna
---draw...

Remembering the order of which card to play based on instruction is going to be interesting. I think the tree-branch play area is going to be more important than ever, even more than Herald. (and Vassal?)
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Re: New Promo Card
« Reply #66 on: October 03, 2016, 11:42:15 am »
+2

I almost wonder if split piles like this would be cooler with 12 cards instead of 10. Someone having 3 and another having 2 doesn't seem all that useful. It's like the Fool's Gold effect: if everyone goes for it, it sucks. But if no one goes for it, it could be a really nice form of draw.
Totally agree. There are good arguments to make that you should set up some split piles like Victory card piles, i.e. 8 in a 2P game and 12 otherwise. For example 2P Catapult games will rarely reach Rocks or only reach them if it doesn't matter much anymore. This is why I don't use a dogmatically fixed number of 10 (or an even split) for my own split pile fan cards.

About this card, it is probably so good in many Kingdoms that it would be best with the 8/12 treatment.
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Re: New Promo Card
« Reply #67 on: October 03, 2016, 11:49:42 am »
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Can we, uhm, get the official FAQ for Sauna/Avanto?
Is there a question you want answered?

Well, I see the FAQ as mostly just covering questions a player not as versed in Dominion arcana as we are might have.  So they might wonder if they could play the Avanto for free later in their turn if they already played a Sauna, rather than just right away.  Or if you Crown a Silver, if that means you can trash two things with Sauna.  Or if they'll have extra Actions after chaining Sauna-Avanto-Sauna-Avanto-Sauna.

This.

"When you play Sauna, you first draw a card and get +1 Action. You may then immediately play an Avanto from your hand. This does not take up one of your actions, including the action provided by Sauna. You can only play an Avanto this way directly after playing the Sauna, not if you played another action card inbetween, even if you have a Sauna in play.

When you play Avanto, you first draw 3 cards. You may then immeditately play a Sauna from your hand. This does not take up any of your actions, and Sauna will still give you +1 Action if you play it this way. You can only play a Sauna this way directly after playing the Avanto, not if you played another action card inbetween, even if you have an Avanto in play.

You can play Sauna and Avanto in alteration this way, taking up only the action for the first of the cards you play. You can do this until you don't have the respective card in hand after playing the other. When you play a Sauna, you can not immediately play a Sauna from your hand without using up one action. The same goes for playing Avanto after Avanto.

While Sauna is in play, you can trash a card from your hand anytime you play a Silver. If you play the same Silver several times, such as with Counterfeit (Dominion - Dark Ages) or Crown (Dominion - Empires) you may trash a card each time you play the Silver. You do not have to trash anything when you play a Silver. You can decide to trash a card every time you play a Silver, you do not have to decide once for the entire turn. When Sauna leaves play, such as being trashed with Procession (Dominion - Dark Ages), you can not use its effect anymore. When you have several Saunas in play and play a Silver, you can trash a card from your hand for every Sauna you have in play. You can still decide to not trash a card each time."

Wow, this turned out long. We need professional FAQ-writers...

Shorter:

"When you play a card, follow each of the instructions on the card, literally, in the order they are written in."

That's a one sentence FAQ for every card ever made. The FAQ is for people who don't grasp that concept fully. Everyone who does grasp it, usually doesn't need the FAQ.

Well, while that´s true for most cards, there are quite a few cards in dominion that have lead to some rather complicated/unintuitive rulings (like band of misfits, trader, scheme, etc), there´s the band of misfits/conspirator interaction that´s specifically on my mind right now...
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Re: New Promo Card
« Reply #68 on: October 14, 2016, 08:09:03 am »
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My friend is headed to Essen tomorrow. Is there an English version of this card available there somewhere? He said he would pick one up for me, but from what I understand there will only be German and Finnish versions of the card there. When/where will the English version be available?
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Re: New Promo Card
« Reply #69 on: October 22, 2016, 11:22:14 am »
+5

Just got an email from BGG, it's now up in their store: http://boardgamegeekstore.com/products/dominion-sauna-avanto
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Re: New Promo Card
« Reply #70 on: October 22, 2016, 07:28:43 pm »
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Ordered my copy  :)
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Re: New Promo Card
« Reply #71 on: October 28, 2016, 10:32:17 pm »
+1

Just got my copy.  I'm going to scan it now, and put it up on the wiki.

Also, I'm going to put up Asper's FAQ, since Donald X +1'd it.  Any objections?
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« Reply #72 on: October 28, 2016, 10:36:36 pm »
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Apparently, is out of stock. A post on BGG implies or sold out Tues, potentially earlier. Weird.

Good thing, I ordered my copy.
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Re: New Promo Card
« Reply #73 on: November 06, 2016, 10:06:43 am »
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I played my first game with Sauna/Avanto this weekend. Turns out a couple of Saunas and a couple of Silvers lets you thin your deck pretty fast, and the thinner it gets, the more reliable it becomes (also, pairing Saunas with Avantos becomes more reliable too).
It takes time to build it into a reliable double-Province engine, though, so the player decided to go single-Province, and in the end, my Wharf-Coin of the Realm draw engine eeked out an extra Duchy off the Wharf +1 Buy for a narrow win. Although I must admit my engine was probably worse and I was just lucky it never whiffed.
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« Reply #74 on: November 15, 2016, 09:01:08 pm »
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Any news on when this is going to be back in stock on bgg? I barely missed getting my copy, and I've been checking back constantly to no avail.  :-\
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