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[silverspawn]

Most importantly, his fakeclaim relies on us believing that he thought he could get scum to shoot Seprix D2. Can I please remind everyone that Seprix is the player who gets mislynched as town in almost every town game he plays? Scum almost never shoots for him.

it's a delayed doctor. of course that plan is a long shot, but I had to try something.

[iguanaiguana]

Most importantly, his fakeclaim relies on us believing that he thought he could get scum to shoot Seprix D2. Can I please remind everyone that Seprix is the player who gets mislynched as town in almost every town game he plays? Scum almost never shoots for him.

it's a delayed doctor. of course that plan is a long shot, but I had to try something.

Man, you do your thing and I'll do mine. Of course you are going to fight for your life. That supports your winrate 100% of the time.

All I am doing is playing the game the way you showed me how to play it.

[SpaceAnemone]

I agree that the delayed doctor claim is somewhat original as far as fake claims go, but when you think about it, what else could he possibly claim?

As part of his claim in post #434, he also said that Haddock (well, he said gkrieg, but meant Haddock) had hinted at the existence of an IC as justification for the existence of a delayed doctor. In a game where we know nothing about what roles are out there, is it likely that Haddock will have had a casual hinty conversation with Silver about the existence of an IC?

[iguanaiguana]

Man, do you know how many times scum makes up things that the mod said? Even if the conversation was real, how do we know that it wasn't a conversation about silverspawn's fakeclaim?

[SpaceAnemone]

Man, do you know how many times scum makes up things that the mod said? Even if the conversation was real, how do we know that it wasn't a conversation about silverspawn's fakeclaim?

Well, quite. My point was that it feels much more likely to be a scum invention than a real conversation, especially when everyone else (I'm assuming!?) is so in the dark about what roles are out there.

[gkrieg13]

I really don't think silver is scum for those reasons iguana. Scum rarely kill scummy people and he really would have to be a SK which I don't think coexists with a traitor.

[Calamitas]

I'm actually going with iguana here. All odds point in favor of silver being the SK. It is just so unlikely that a pro-town PR killed Seprix (IMO he didn't seem scummy except you were actively scanning for a traitor). And if that PR would have got that Seprix is the traitor he/she/they might have just brought it up during the discussion and we might have used our lynch for it. Having silver killing him is just so much more likely than the combo of delayed-doc+vig targeting.
What I find kind of strange though is that silver has chosen Seprix as his target. As iguana said, Seprix is often misslynched and therefore an unattractive target for scum. That makes the delayed-doc+NK on Seprix much worse, but makes the choice of Seprix as victim not fine as well.

Either way, having Silver as SK is the much more likely option by now, even though rr claimed there is "secret info" and the target is a strange choice.
vote: silver

[silverspawn]

the hinting of haddock took place after EFHW has flipped. I had opened my QT with a post stating that this is the weakest role of all time, and he hinted that maybe now I see why he included it.

Njah, iguana is right. With no vig claiming a guilty tracker result means that lynching is probable to hit scum. I can't dispute that without making stuff up. The only irregularity is RR's claim... and well I tried to give further detail to make you see, idk if that convinces you.

I was surprised when the wagon didn't pick up unitil now. Very pleasantly surprised, but surprised.

If we don't have a vig coming out, maybe RR needs to expand on the stuff he knows.

[silverspawn]

which I don't think coexists with a traitor.

It has to, though, unless that vig claim is coming.

[gkrieg13]

which I don't think coexists with a traitor.

It has to, though, unless that vig claim is coming.

Why should the vig claim?

[silverspawn]

which I don't think coexists with a traitor.

It has to, though, unless that vig claim is coming.

Why should the vig claim?

to avoid my mislynch.

[Calamitas]

which I don't think coexists with a traitor.

It has to, though, unless that vig claim is coming.

Why should the vig claim?

to avoid my mislynch.

Do you actually think, assuming that your claim is right (which I don't believe) that an actual vig (no X-shot) should claim and thereby present himself to scum in order to prevent the misslynch of a delayed doctor? Cannot estimate the value of a vig in relation to the damage of the misslynch of such a weak role (even though its silver), would need more experienced players to estimate that.

[iguanaiguana]

which I don't think coexists with a traitor.

It has to, though, unless that vig claim is coming.

Why should the vig claim?

If a vig killed Seprix they should most definitely claim. Otherwise we Lynch town.

[mail-mi]

I am not sure if iguana is right or not.

Here's a question silver: why did you Doctor Seprix, instead of EFHW? Didn't you say they were your top 2 townreads? EFHW is much more likely to be killed than Seprix as well.

[silverspawn]

which I don't think coexists with a traitor.

It has to, though, unless that vig claim is coming.

Why should the vig claim?

to avoid my mislynch.

Do you actually think, assuming that your claim is right (which I don't believe) that an actual vig (no X-shot) should claim and thereby present himself to scum in order to prevent the misslynch of a delayed doctor? Cannot estimate the value of a vig in relation to the damage of the misslynch of such a weak role (even though its silver), would need more experienced players to estimate that.

forget the role. think of me as a VT. The question is if a vig should claim to prevent a mislynch, and the answer is absolutely 100% yes. Lynching correctly is far, far more important than protecting a role. with bad luck we're already at LyLo, and we are almost certainly at LyLo if you lynch me now.

[silverspawn]

I am not sure if iguana is right or not.

Here's a question silver: why did you Doctor Seprix, instead of EFHW? Didn't you say they were your top 2 townreads? EFHW is much more likely to be killed than Seprix as well.

I never said that EFHW was a townread.

And I didn't think she was likely to be killed. I just thought Seprix or I were likey to be killed.

[mail-mi]

there goes my biggest town read 

nicely done

Oh, right. I was misremembering this post.

[gkrieg13]

Fine I shot Seprix. I'm a 1-shot vig

[silverspawn]

Fine I shot Seprix. I'm a 1-shot vig

1) awesome!

2) well done!

3) one-shot? There's even less trouble with this claim, then.

4) We can be IC buddies now!

[gkrieg13]

Fine I shot Seprix. I'm a 1-shot vig

1) awesome!

2) well done!

3) one-shot? There's even less trouble with this claim, then.

4) We can be IC buddies now!

I'm still not sure you're IC but I don't want to lynch you today

[silverspawn]

I feel like it's been forever since a vig actually hit a town.

Alright, player List:

silverspawn
SpaceAnemone
gkrieg - makes no sense to do this claim as scum
Roadrunner
chairs
iguana - confirmed tracker, and I think his reaction to my claim was logical
mail-mi
diedre91
Calamitas

Leaving a lynch pool of:

SpaceAnemone
Roadrunner
chairs
mail-mi
diedre91
Calamitas

vote: Calamitas

Might do a case later.

[silverspawn]

I'm still not sure you're IC but I don't want to lynch you today

I guess I'm not really one. At the very least it should be improbable, though, because it requries

1) me not having done the NK (cause the player who does the NK can usually not target other people at the same time) [this already cuts the chance in half]

2) me having another power and using it on Seprix for some reason

And SK seems dwindingly unlikely, with no extra kills to account for and a traitor.

[chairs]

vote: ss.

gkrieg/ss scum team.

[gkrieg13]

vote: ss.

gkrieg/ss scum team.

Haha there is just no way.  Why go for ss though?  Why not go for me?

[gkrieg13]

I'm actually going with iguana here. All odds point in favor of silver being the SK. It is just so unlikely that a pro-town PR killed Seprix (IMO he didn't seem scummy except you were actively scanning for a traitor). And if that PR would have got that Seprix is the traitor he/she/they might have just brought it up during the discussion and we might have used our lynch for it. Having silver killing him is just so much more likely than the combo of delayed-doc+vig targeting.
What I find kind of strange though is that silver has chosen Seprix as his target. As iguana said, Seprix is often misslynched and therefore an unattractive target for scum. That makes the delayed-doc+NK on Seprix much worse, but makes the choice of Seprix as victim not fine as well.

Either way, having Silver as SK is the much more likely option by now, even though rr claimed there is "secret info" and the target is a strange choice.
vote: silver

My point in choosing Seprix was that it was a secret vote that killed teamlyle, and he was one of 5 people that were online at the time.  I didn't think it was mail-mi, and really just the timing in the end of the day just pointed so hard to Seprix being scum.  I mean he was just screaming that he was scum.  I had such a strong feeling about it, that I used up my one shot N1.  I also thought I would have a hard time convincing you guys that he was scum, so that is the other reason why I took the shot.