Oh hai Haddock. We have some misunderstandings with each other here. Let's deal with them.
OK so here's me trying to put something more concrete down about iguana.
Ced will come shortly.
My thoughts on II centre around the fact that he's being way too analytical; I do not expect iguana to be this analytical in his style. Maybe this is his conscious effort to change his style. But scum can hide behind that. I'm talking about posts like this:
Actually delaying information until the correct time to reveal it is always the best play, and we often do not observe that on this forum.
In this case, talking a lot about how scum should act just gives scum a better idea of how they should act and allows them to know what we anticipate them doing before they do it.
Another thing to possibly discuss would be whether or not we should observe some kind of proxy voting system. We have to vote together, but if people disagree they could put proxy votes on different people and we could tally the votes.
OTOH, the only time we observed a system like this is when silverscum used it to lead the town to destruction in Trees mafia, and made sure to get a bad no-lynch through that way.
So I'm conflicted.
Nothing to say about this. You quoted some quotes where I was trying to solve the game and then called them scummy. Lawl.
You said it yourself, buddy:
Where was I ever ... analytical and solvy and heartfelt the whole way through? Oh yeah, I remember, that one game where I was scum!
This is my town meta people. I am a town.
I mean, up to the bit in italics, this is my whole point in those quotes. You're being analytical and solvy, and that's not what I've come to expect from town!you.
That's just a general feeling. Actually outright scummy things he's done:
Gather the wagons.
I want to hear his true motivation for these careless RVS votes. I want to hear something that comes from his heart of hearts.
This is the kind of highly emotive stuff that looks great at first sight and works well for people trying to look towny, but actually means essentially nothing. Perfect scum chat.
He also has a big thing about Faust, where he pushes him really hard for inadequately-explained reasons:
I highly approve of this wagon on Faust. I've never seen a scummier D1 for him.
Voting for reactions... not necessarily scummy for silver
kinda scummy for Faust tho
Let's kill Faust
and then totally flip-flops on him later on. Again not for any reason I can actually tell. It's weird.
My reasoning here is simple: I love a Faust lynch. It makes me excited because it's really hard to accomplish. It brings out my emotions. This is mainly because of RMM28, where he just really got me excited for that scum!Faust lynch I was never able to pull off. So of course when we are on the border of the RVS stage, I am inclined to drive a Faust lynch, especially when I see some signs to indicate that it might be the right move.
Now, you say I flip-flip on him later on "not for any reason [you] can actually tell." This is strange, because I dropped my vote after Faust town-slipped. Everyone (I believe) dropped their vote on Faust at that point. So claiming that I did so 'for no reason' looks absurdly similar to bold-faced lying.
That was after the Faust townslip? I was so far behind here I forgot about the existence of the Faust townslip, let alone exactly when it occurred. OK, that's decent enough. It still doesn't really explain your scumread on Faust in the first place, though, which I strongly disagree with.
The explanation for that you give here, I dunno. Don't think it's good enough.
I told ced this: "Gkrieg, Haddock & ADK are more just normal solvy type players that you would expect to find in a mafia game."
From that, ced inferred that you are "quite analytical," a phrase I did not in fact say. I said you were "solvy" IE: competent. From "quite analytical" you misconstrued further into "super analytical." That phrase was in fact your own invention. Again, manipulative.
OK, that's reasonable. I would prefer it if you'd mentioned that I don't tend to manage to contribute useful analysis D1, but sure that's OK. Obviously I wasn't trying to deliberately misconstrue "quite analytical" into "super analytical", that's just my hyperbole.
Are you and ced both scum then, and in which order ought we kill you?
Overall, OK. I mean. I tend to agree, your recent stuff looks like town you. I'll move my vote as soon as I find someone better.
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