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[silverspawn]

Thought: a relevant factor is the plausibility of J Reggie's action as mafia. He would have team mates, so we can assume that he only does this if it at least looks like good play.

Best case for mafia!J Reggie is that we lynch Haddock and then him. So a trade has to be good for scum in order to have come from scum.

If this game is 10-3 or 9-3-1, I don't think it is sensible. I think it's only good play in a 9-4 setup. Unless J Reggie thought he would go down anyway, but I don't think he would. We considered him semi-flavor cleared.

What would help is if we knew the reason for our second NK. If no-one claims it, then we probably have a SK, and in a world with a SK, I don't think J Reggie's play is sensible to have come from mafia, and then we lynch Haddock.

Please verify if this makes sense before anyone claims.

PPE 4

[iguanaiguana]

Why?

In a choice between twon!me and town!you, scum might prefer me. And if not, it's still mostly a wash where scum doesn't really care and their main focus is to avoid incriminating wagon positions.

If you are town, then last night's 3-way wagon was on 3 town and scum super didn't care who got lynched. Splitting it up three ways is a great way for all of them to avoid much responsibility.

[J Reggie]

Pretty sure haddock and Faust are both scum. I just need to convince the rest of you. Haddock, sorry I misunderstood what you were saying in the neighborhood. Yes, maybe I should have waited longer to claim, but I wanted to out the scum as asap as possible. I guess that just gives them more ammo to mislynch me. But I can guarantee that the results I claimed are 100% what I got, so it's up to all of you who aren't haddock or Faust.

[teamlyle]

Man, lots of stuff!

It's clear that either Haddock or J Reggie is scum. Haddock never did claim in the neighborhood, but no one asked him to (that is, in the neighborhood.) He later said that he wasn't happy about chairs/EFHW because she's completely null to him. He said that he didn't see himself claiming in the main thread, which I guess is scummy. Although at the same time, if he was scum and didn't want to claim, wouldn't he just pretend to be away while asking gkrieg for a false flavor claim? Haddock, what do you have to fear if scum knows your role?

[faust]

What would help is if we knew the reason for our second NK. If no-one claims it, then we probably have a SK, and in a world with a SK, I don't think J Reggie's play is sensible to have come from mafia, and then we lynch Haddock.

At first I thought "I don't want to force claims", but really, if some towny did kill Cron/Seprix, then claiming that would more or less confirm J Reggie as scum.

[silverspawn]

And remember we have one Tracker flipped already. This would imply two Trackers, which seems like overkill.

Agreed. But you don't even need the ninja. Is there any plausible reason why one player doing kills twice is worse than spreading them? If anything, one player means that guilty results don't stack, that's a good thing.

[faust]

Although at the same time, if he was scum and didn't want to claim, wouldn't he just pretend to be away while asking gkrieg for a false flavor claim?

Usually fake claims are provided at game start.

[faust]

And remember we have one Tracker flipped already. This would imply two Trackers, which seems like overkill.

Agreed. But you don't even need the ninja. Is there any plausible reason why one player doing kills twice is worse than spreading them? If anything, one player means that guilty results don't stack, that's a good thing.

Well there's blocking roles. But mostly I agree; I just don't buy into the narrative that scum has an extra kill.

[silverspawn]

What would help is if we knew the reason for our second NK. If no-one claims it, then we probably have a SK, and in a world with a SK, I don't think J Reggie's play is sensible to have come from mafia, and then we lynch Haddock.

At first I thought "I don't want to force claims", but really, if some towny did kill Cron/Seprix, then claiming that would more or less confirm J Reggie as scum.

Maybe.

we should really hear Haddock's claim.

And remember we have one Tracker flipped already. This would imply two Trackers, which seems like overkill.

Agreed. But you don't even need the ninja. Is there any plausible reason why one player doing kills twice is worse than spreading them? If anything, one player means that guilty results don't stack, that's a good thing.

Well there's blocking roles. But mostly I agree; I just don't buy into the narrative that scum has an extra kill.

no, I don't think that either.

[faust]

Pretty sure haddock and Faust are both scum. I just need to convince the rest of you. Haddock, sorry I misunderstood what you were saying in the neighborhood. Yes, maybe I should have waited longer to claim, but I wanted to out the scum as asap as possible. I guess that just gives them more ammo to mislynch me. But I can guarantee that the results I claimed are 100% what I got, so it's up to all of you who aren't haddock or Faust.

Any reason for your read other than blatant OMGUS?

[iguanaiguana]

My vote is on Haddock. I'm pretty sure I picked the right one for the day. I am done for the day now and I don't think I need to participate too much more so I won't be.

[teamlyle]

By the way Haddock, I think we'd all appreciate it if you claimed. Thanks

[faust]

we should really hear Haddock's claim.

I really don't think that helps. Him claiming not to have a targeting roel is good enough for me. You seem awfully eager to out PRs.

[faust]

By the way Haddock, I think we'd all appreciate it if you claimed. Thanks

I would not.

[faust]

My vote is on Haddock. I'm pretty sure I picked the right one for the day. I am done for the day now and I don't think I need to participate too much more so I won't be.

Vote: iguana

[faust]

iguana has figured out how to play mafia; are it takes is 10 minutes of skimming the thread and then who's scum falls right into your lap.

[J Reggie]

Pretty sure haddock and Faust are both scum. I just need to convince the rest of you. Haddock, sorry I misunderstood what you were saying in the neighborhood. Yes, maybe I should have waited longer to claim, but I wanted to out the scum as asap as possible. I guess that just gives them more ammo to mislynch me. But I can guarantee that the results I claimed are 100% what I got, so it's up to all of you who aren't haddock or Faust.

Any reason for your read other than blatant OMGUS?

Just reading through today's posts, it seems obvious. I already had a scum read on you, and now you pushing my lynch when I have incriminating evidence is telling.

By the way Haddock, I think we'd all appreciate it if you claimed. Thanks

I would not.

Obviously not, because he's your partner.

[faust]

Pretty sure haddock and Faust are both scum. I just need to convince the rest of you. Haddock, sorry I misunderstood what you were saying in the neighborhood. Yes, maybe I should have waited longer to claim, but I wanted to out the scum as asap as possible. I guess that just gives them more ammo to mislynch me. But I can guarantee that the results I claimed are 100% what I got, so it's up to all of you who aren't haddock or Faust.

Any reason for your read other than blatant OMGUS?

Just reading through today's posts, it seems obvious. I already had a scum read on you, and now you pushing my lynch when I have incriminating evidence is telling.  No.

FTFY

[faust]

By the way Haddock, I think we'd all appreciate it if you claimed. Thanks

I would not.

Obviously not, because he's your partner.

Why would I not want my partner to unpack that juicy fakeclaim we've prepared from the start?

[silverspawn]

we should really hear Haddock's claim.

I really don't think that helps. Him claiming not to have a targeting roel is good enough for me. You seem awfully eager to out PRs.

uhm. okay, sure. don't claim.

So how do you - or anyone - explain the mafia! J Reggie narrative, if we can't explain the second NK, hence have a 9-3-1 setup?

[J Reggie]

Pretty sure haddock and Faust are both scum. I just need to convince the rest of you. Haddock, sorry I misunderstood what you were saying in the neighborhood. Yes, maybe I should have waited longer to claim, but I wanted to out the scum as asap as possible. I guess that just gives them more ammo to mislynch me. But I can guarantee that the results I claimed are 100% what I got, so it's up to all of you who aren't haddock or Faust.

Any reason for your read other than blatant OMGUS?

Just reading through today's posts, it seems obvious. I already had a scum read on you, and now you pushing my lynch when I have incriminating evidence is telling.  No.

FTFY

Faust, how is this helpful to you at all as town or scum? I gave a reason, which I think is a good reason, and you just crossed it out and wrote no? I think that's more of a scummy thing to do than towny, but I just don't get it.

[Haddock]

I'm pretty sure it's better for town overall if I dont claim today.
If I'm mislynched you'll understand why. On the other hand I'd rather we just lynched reggie.

[faust]

we should really hear Haddock's claim.

I really don't think that helps. Him claiming not to have a targeting roel is good enough for me. You seem awfully eager to out PRs.

uhm. okay, sure. don't claim.

So how do you - or anyone - explain the mafia! J Reggie narrative, if we can't explain the second NK, hence have a 9-3-1 setup?

I think he would have gone down today if he hadn't claimed to have used his 1-shot.

[faust]

Faust, how is this helpful to you at all as town or scum? I gave a reason, which I think is a good reason, and you just crossed it out and wrote no? I think that's more of a scummy thing to do than towny, but I just don't get it.

Well, your reason was the definition of OMGUS. So you might as well have admitted to it. Like, I may be OMGUS's bitch, but at least I'm man enough to admit it.

[J Reggie]

we should really hear Haddock's claim.

I really don't think that helps. Him claiming not to have a targeting roel is good enough for me. You seem awfully eager to out PRs.

uhm. okay, sure. don't claim.

So how do you - or anyone - explain the mafia! J Reggie narrative, if we can't explain the second NK, hence have a 9-3-1 setup?

I think he would have gone down today if he hadn't claimed to have used his 1-shot.

There's no way I would have made this bold of a claim as scum. It's really weird but it's what I got, and I have to make my assumptions off of it.